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Frisbee® - 04 Aug 2007 02:26 GMT
Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.  Since
I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which eludes me,
but I don't recall it being too high) I got myself one while getting his
cheeseburg happy meal.  My other son wanted chicken "tenders" from BK, and
my wife decided on chicken strips and a side salad instead of her usual
joining me with a Mickey D's Asian salad.

We went to BK second, so I noticed (too late) that they did not have
anything like MD's chicken "selects" so I ordered her the "tenders" like we
get for the one son all the time.  The last I remember, they were a lot
closer to chicken strips than MD's awful nuggets (which he'll also eat),
however when we got home, my wife showed me the crappy crown-shaped
"tenders" which looked and tasted pretty much like MD's nuggets.  Needless
to say, she was rather pissed with me.  I wound up eating them (all eight of
them).  I also ate the happy meal french fries.  That's probably where I
went astray the most.

BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at least
like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!
Jeff - 04 Aug 2007 02:44 GMT
> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.  Since
> I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which eludes me,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> them).  I also ate the happy meal french fries.  That's probably where I
> went astray the most.

Sorry for coming down on your so hard, but there are two things that
popped out at me:

I think the place you went astray the most is catering to your kids by
taking them to two restaurants. They either eat at the first or go hungry.

As far as your choice of restaurants, well, perhaps you should think if
it is healthy food for you or the kids.

Sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but this just came to me when I read this.

> BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at least
> like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!

Me too. Or, better yet, Cherries Garcia. Or mint chocolate chip (or is
it chocolate chip mint - Breyer's of course).

Jeff - really, I am nice in person, which is why my boss has me work
from home.
Frisbee® - 04 Aug 2007 03:01 GMT
>> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.
>> Since I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> I think the place you went astray the most is catering to your kids by
> taking them to two restaurants. They either eat at the first or go hungry.

You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.  I understand
your point, and usually, going to more than one place is NOT an option.
However, if you think get diagnosed as diabetic severely reduces your
options, try two boys whose list of items they'll eat I can count on both
hands between the two of them.  They've been having, along with their
occupational therapy twice a week (in addition to same at school) "food
aversion" therapy, which helps, but they are by no means normal eaters, even
for kids.  Pop Tarts, cheese bread (pizza), burgers for one, chicken for the
other, chocolate milk, hot dogs, quesadilla's, and tacos is pretty much
their entire list of what they'll eat.  So we're either at Taco Bell, BK,
MD, Checkers (hot dogs), a pizza place, or that's about it.  They will
sometimes eat sausage biscuits or bagels with cream cheese (another thing I
miss), but seriously, you can't give them the option to starve, because they
will.  One of them at least TRIES new foods, but there's been almost nothing
discovered yet that he really likes.  The other eats because he gets a
reward from the therapist if he does, but he won't eat anything new at home,
ever.  In nine years as a Dad, we have NEVER had a family sit-down at the
table meal, EVER with all of us.  We keep trying, at least on Thanksgiving,
but it just doesn't work.  Maybe if we served a Thanksgiving dinner
consisting of Chocolate Chip and Smores Pop-Tarts... maybe.

> As far as your choice of restaurants, well, perhaps you should think if it
> is healthy food for you or the kids.

Oh, we know it's not healthy.  Well, the majority of the menu isn't.  I
would imagine the Asian Salad isn't too bad, though.  See reasons above,
however, for feeding the kids there.  Seriously, they would and have starved
themselves before.

> Sorry, I don't mean to be mean, but this just came to me when I read this.

All opinions always welcome.   Not taken as mean in the least.  I definitely
get where you're coming from.

>> BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at
>> least like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!
>
> Me too. Or, better yet, Cherries Garcia. Or mint chocolate chip (or is it
> chocolate chip mint - Breyer's of course).

Breyer's!  A man after my own heart!

> Jeff - really, I am nice in person, which is why my boss has me work from
> home.

I've been even further bad.  After my OP, I've eaten TWO publix (generic
local grocer) brand "no sugar added" Klondike bar equivalents.  13 carbs
each.  I don't know what's going on with me lately, perhaps stress.  Been
extra stressful at work this week, even though I'm back on Prozac and my
appetite did subside again for a while, I have been VORACIOUSLY hungry
lately, and EVERYTHING TASTES FANTASTIC for some reason.  I could probably
even eat my ex-wife's burnt grilled cheese sandwiches and think they were
heavenly right now...  I need help!

Tonight I will fight as hard as I can when I wake up around 1 or 2 AM and
NOT have a bowl (or two) of Special K Protein Plus.  Last night I was
successful in limiting myself to just one bowl, I've been having two every
night for the last couple of months, and then no brreakfast.  I suck at
willpower.  I think I've not only stopped losing weight (at 14 pounds) I
think I'm starting to slowly put some back on, and it's not like I'm eating
anything like I was before being diagnosed last May.  This is really getting
frustrating all the way around.  I'm going to have to buckle-down and
somehow find some self-discipline because nobody else is going to do it for
me.  Even my wife's new-found enthusiasm with cooking diabetic-friendly
meals ended about two weeks into the diagnosis, sigh.

Sorry to get so depressing... the Prozac must be wearing off, heh.
Will, T2 - 04 Aug 2007 03:28 GMT
>Tonight I will fight as hard as I can when I wake up around 1 or 2 AM and
>NOT have a bowl (or two) of Special K Protein Plus.  Last night I was
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>Sorry to get so depressing... the Prozac must be wearing off, heh.

Hey Fris,

Please hang in...  I do very much sense and feel what you are going
through, and so do many of the rest of us...

Quite frankly, I am astonished at your fortitude and strength in a
very adverse world. Please keep being supportive of your children who
are autistic.... I just cannot imagine what you have endured, except
to say that one of my own children has had very serious issues of
mental health.

Very many of us are here for you, totally, 100 per cent... all the
time, 24/7

Thanks for joining us!

Will, T2
Jeff - 04 Aug 2007 03:29 GMT
>>> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.
>>> Since I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.

You've got that one right. Or 'nough said. There is a great red book
written in the voice of a kid around 13 with autism. Although I don't
know anyone with autism, I think it is an excellent description. The
book is called something like the "Mystery of the dead dog."

<...>

> Maybe if we served a Thanksgiving dinner
> consisting of Chocolate Chip and Smores Pop-Tarts... maybe.

Why not have that for T'giving, in addition to the regular fair?

>> As far as your choice of restaurants, well, perhaps you should think if it
>> is healthy food for you or the kids.
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> even eat my ex-wife's burnt grilled cheese sandwiches and think they were
> heavenly right now...  I need help!

That might be a side effect of Prozac. All I can say is talk to your
docs about it. If it is, perhaps they can wean you off or switch to
another drug.

Sounds like you have a full plate already.

> Tonight I will fight as hard as I can when I wake up around 1 or 2 AM and
> NOT have a bowl (or two) of Special K Protein Plus.  Last night I was
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Sorry to get so depressing... the Prozac must be wearing off, heh.

I am glad you have a sense of humor about it.

One of the things that may be really useful is diabetic education at a
hospital, with nutrition info and stuff. Unfortunately, there really
isn't a good support system to do this or to closely follow individual
patients (unfortunately, docs don't have enough time to do this
adequately - and the programs that do lose money).

Of course, it doesn't sound like you have a lot of time to do this sort
of stuff.

I guess it is one day at a time.

Jeff
MI - 04 Aug 2007 05:11 GMT
On 8/3/07 7:29 PM, in article 46B3E494.4060506@hotmail.com, "Jeff"
<kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip for brevity
>>> Sorry for coming down on your so hard, but there are two things that
>>> popped out at me:
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> know anyone with autism, I think it is an excellent description. The
> book is called something like the "Mystery of the dead dog."

The name of the book is "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time"
by Mark Haddon. An interesting read.

Martha T2 Canada

> <...>

<snip>
Frisbee® - 06 Aug 2007 14:10 GMT
> On 8/3/07 7:29 PM, in article 46B3E494.4060506@hotmail.com, "Jeff"
> <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Martha T2 Canada

Thanks for the heads-up about that book.  I searched it on amazon, and saw
there were nearly 2000 reviews.  I hope to find it in my local library or
maybe purchase a copy.  Anxious to read it now.
Cheri - 04 Aug 2007 03:31 GMT
Frisbee® wrote in message ...

>You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.  I understand
>your point, and usually, going to more than one place is NOT an option.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>but it just doesn't work.  Maybe if we served a Thanksgiving dinner
>consisting of Chocolate Chip and Smores Pop-Tarts... maybe.

Wow Frisbee, it sounds like your plate is very full. I don't even know
what to say, as I've never dealt with problems like that on a daily
basis. It must be very hard to pay attention to all the things you
have going on at once, and try to stay in control too. Take care.

Cheri
Nicky - 04 Aug 2007 09:42 GMT
>You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.

My Aspergers nephew would eat only two foods for years - plain pasta,
just boiled, not even butter on it; and cherry tomatoes, to which he
was allergic. I'm not sure what changed - he also got the food
aversion therapy - but all of a sudden he would eat everything in
front of him. Maybe he just started growing and needed the calories...

>I've been even further bad.  After my OP, I've eaten TWO publix (generic
>local grocer) brand "no sugar added" Klondike bar equivalents.  13 carbs
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>even eat my ex-wife's burnt grilled cheese sandwiches and think they were
>heavenly right now...  I need help!

Wow - either you need some trace element, or something's seriously
wiping out your brain's metabolic signals - have you talked to a quack
about this specific issue, not as part of another issue? In the
meantime, I guess all you can do is damage limitation. Sounds rough,
hang in there!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Frisbee® - 04 Aug 2007 18:57 GMT
>>You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> aversion therapy - but all of a sudden he would eat everything in
> front of him. Maybe he just started growing and needed the calories...

We believe it's a sensory thing with them.  There are even foods they used
to eat that they no longer will, and there's never a logical explanation.  I
don't think it's always taste that bothers them, it's more along the line of
texture.  I remember being totally puzzled a few years ago when I ordered a
pepperoni pizza for Dylan, who loves pepperoni, but he refused to eat it,
telling me that "the pepperonis are broken."  I had no clue what he meant,
but my wife figured it out.  She realized that the restaurant had sliced the
pizza such that there were no whole pepperonis, they were all cut somewhere.
So, learning from that, I had to start making the strange request when
ordering to please avoid cutting as many pepperoni's as possible, and would
explain why.  Most places had no problem with complying.   He doesn't seem
to have that problem anymore, though.

>>I've been even further bad.  After my OP, I've eaten TWO publix (generic
>>local grocer) brand "no sugar added" Klondike bar equivalents.  13 carbs
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> meantime, I guess all you can do is damage limitation. Sounds rough,
> hang in there!

You may be on to something there.  I don't take any vitamins or mineral
supplements.  Whatever was making me crave food so badly last night is
apparently gone for now.  I haven't eaten since my two bowls of Special K at
1:00 AM this morning (I was bad AGAIN), and when I checked my BG at around
9:00 this morning it was 137, sigh.  I'll be seeing my doctor again in about
a month, I think.  She was going to check my B12 levels, as well as thyroid
function and testosterone levels (feeling very tired a lot).
Frank t2 - 04 Aug 2007 22:52 GMT
Bill,  In spite of all the difficulties you must encounter daily,
I'm sure you have some of the most wonderful moments,
perhaps of 'discovery' ?
Things that the rest of us parents will never know.
I read Grandin when her book came out and a lot of Sacks too ..

A wonderful, complex and highly-difficult-to-live-with world.

F

"Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> a écrit ...

>>>You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> in about a month, I think.  She was going to check my B12 levels, as well
> as thyroid function and testosterone levels (feeling very tired a lot).
Ricavito - 04 Aug 2007 22:59 GMT
> Bill,  In spite of all the difficulties you must encounter daily,
> I'm sure you have some of the most wonderful moments,
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Geeze, Frank, I'm really not intending to follow you around, but I
picked up on your mention of Temple Grandin.  I've read a couple of
her books.  Fascinating description of what it's like to be autistic--
I assume her autism is mild.  The first book I read was not her first,
but the one where she described the squeeze chute she had designed for
the beef slaughterhouse.  Her autism gifted her with the ability to
look at things from an animal's perspective and to design more humane
systems.  A blessing indeed.
Frank t2 - 05 Aug 2007 02:55 GMT
It's the one I read ...

----------------------------------------------------------
Geeze, Frank, I'm really not intending to follow you around, but I
picked up on your mention of Temple Grandin.  I've read a couple of
her books.  Fascinating description of what it's like to be autistic--
I assume her autism is mild.  The first book I read was not her first,
but the one where she described the squeeze chute she had designed for
the beef slaughterhouse.  Her autism gifted her with the ability to
look at things from an animal's perspective and to design more humane
systems.  A blessing indeed.
Chris Malcolm - 07 Aug 2007 10:48 GMT
"Frisbee?" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:01:51 -0400, "Frisbee?" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:

>>>You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> aversion therapy - but all of a sudden he would eat everything in
>> front of him. Maybe he just started growing and needed the calories...

> We believe it's a sensory thing with them.  There are even foods they used
> to eat that they no longer will, and there's never a logical explanation.  I
> don't think it's always taste that bothers them, it's more along the line of
> texture.

For some time in my childhood I would only eat bread and cheese, bread
and marmalade, apples, oranges, raw carrots and cabbage leaves,
sardines, boiled eggs, and tinned fruit with custard. I'd sometimes
eat something else, but only when I was in the right mood, and those
were the foods I demanded and never refused.  My mother was very
worried and got reassured by her doctor that it was a healthy diet.

I became a little less fussy as I got older, but I was still very
leery of anything I hadn't eaten before and very picky. I was in my
twenties before I discovered that I could eat nearly anything and
liked most of it. It came as a great surprise, because I was convinced
the reason I had been avoiding all those things was because they were
revolting.

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Billie - 04 Aug 2007 10:32 GMT
Bill,  they tell me I have a fault of being too easy, too soft, on
people..... making excuses for them.  However, I believe so strongly in the
"Walk a mile in my moccasins...." that I am the last to judge people.

We have a four year old with autism in our family.  Two of them?  I come no
where close to managing your household.  Only someone who has lived with
children with emotional problems can come close to understanding your load.
Raised one for thirteen years.  Fully understand your plate-full, and hope
you can get some relief somewhere.  The mounting pressure is awful.

Hang in there!  The boys need your love.

Billie

"Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis"
Myasthenia Gravis Foundation of America
http://www.myasthenia.org
Muscular Dystrophy Association
http://www.mda.org/disease/mg.html
http://www.mda.org/publications/fa-mg-treatment.html
Myasthenia Gravis Association UK
http://www.mga.superbuilder.net/mgaforum.html

: You might feel different if you knew my boys are autistic.  : Sorry to get
so depressing... the Prozac must be wearing off, heh.
Frisbee® - 04 Aug 2007 18:59 GMT
> Bill,  they tell me I have a fault of being too easy, too soft, on
> people..... making excuses for them.  However, I believe so strongly in
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Hang in there!  The boys need your love.

I've read that the divorce rate for parents of multiples is twice that of
parents of singletons, and also very recently at a "parents of children with
special needs" conference, they stated the statistic that parents of special
needs kids had a divorce rate of over 80%.  Combining those two statistics,
if my wife and I can survive that, I think we can survive just about
anything.  I may have already posted about this so apologies ahead of time.
Billie - 05 Aug 2007 04:15 GMT
I know what you mean.  That is similar to what they told us after losing a
child.  That was 22 years ago, and we are still together, but not without
some really rough spots along the way.  You can do it!

I am concerned about my granddaughter, mother of my autistic great-grandson.
Her husband just lost his job a couple of weeks ago.  Still no job in sight
for him.  They need her job for their insurance.  No SSI help yet.  It
bothers me that I've not been well enough to go up there to see them this
summer.

My heart us with you, Bill

Billie

"Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis"
Myasthenia Gravis Foundation of America
http://www.myasthenia.org
Muscular Dystrophy Association
http://www.mda.org/disease/mg.html
http://www.mda.org/publications/fa-mg-treatment.html
Myasthenia Gravis Association UK
http://www.mga.superbuilder.net/mgaforum.html

: I've read that the divorce rate for parents of multiples is twice that of
: parents of singletons, and also very recently at a "parents of children with
: special needs" conference, they stated the statistic that parents of special
: needs kids had a divorce rate of over 80%.  Combining those two statistics,
: if my wife and I can survive that, I think we can survive just about
: anything.  I may have already posted about this so apologies ahead of time.
Wingmask - 04 Aug 2007 02:49 GMT
On Aug 3, 9:26 pm, "Frisbee?" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.  Since
> I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which eludes me,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at least
> like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!

I still had you beat with my 190.
Julie Bove - 04 Aug 2007 03:06 GMT
> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.
> Since I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at
> least like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!

Agreed that if I'm going to have high BG, the food should at least taste
good.  I will not eat anything from BK.  I think it tastes horrible.  Will
not eat anything from McD's either because they are not honest with what
they put in their food.  Example, milk and wheat in the fries, and prior to
that beef in the fries that they claimed were vegetarian.  With my food
allergies it just isn't worth it.

We rarely ever eat fast food any more.  Mainly because we can't with the
food allergies.  But when we did in the past, my daughter always had to have
salad.  If she wanted the toy, I might buy her the toy but not necessarily
the whole meal.

I don't have two kids but I might have tried saying we'll get food from one
place one time and the other place the next time.  Of course that might not
have worked.  My brother and I were/are both picky eaters and there were
some places we just refused to eat at.  For me, it was fast food.
Loretta Eisenberg - 04 Aug 2007 03:44 GMT
Frisbee, shame on you. lol

Loretta
Frank t2 - 04 Aug 2007 05:45 GMT
Dear Bill;
You KNOW you have my vote ... but leading me
to temptation like that is not fair ...

I come to pick up my wife every evening at Verasilles, with an
extra strong chocolate ice cream on a stick ... she devours it
on the ride home and I have about 5 minues of silence as she
enjoys it .. we all know those moments !

Sadly, she manages to keep me off them, but it is a temptation.
So you see, I know about constant temptations too ...

"Keep your pecker up", as we say in English ... I am constantly
amused at your postings (do you do anywhere else too ?)

Frank

"Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> a écrit ...
> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.
> Since I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at
> least like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!
Frisbee® - 04 Aug 2007 18:51 GMT
> "Keep your pecker up", as we say in English ... I am constantly
> amused at your postings (do you do anywhere else too ?)

I consider two other newsgroups my "home" newsgroups (as I now consider this
one, too) however, I doubt many people in here would share those interests.

The first is rec.sport.football.college.  Another sometimes poster from
here, Scott Hendryx, posts there as well, but he's been posting there much
longer than I have.  I've only been there since around 2001 or so.  I'm a
huge Florida Gators fan, national titles in both basketball and football
(our American kind, of course).  I also post in a few non-USENET newsgroups,
and also alt.parenting.twins-triplets but that group has been very quiet
these last few years

My other "home" is microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse.  It's a newsgroup for
certification for IT professionals.  It's actually meant for systems
administrators, and I'm a software developer, but the only Microsoft
certification I've ever taken was along the Sys Admin side, so I went there
around 2001 or so and never left.

We founded a tongue-in-cheek certification of our own in there called the
MCNGP (Mean Certified News Group Posters).  We even have our own web site:
http://www.mcngp.com  We fight the good fight against spammers and cheaters
(brain-dumps) but we're mostly just a bunch of guys with common interests.
People either love us or hate us, there seems to be no in-between.
Will, T2 - 06 Aug 2007 16:34 GMT
> We founded a tongue-in-cheek certification of our own in there called the
> MCNGP (Mean Certified News Group Posters).  We even have our own web site:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> People either love us or hate us, there seems to be no in-between.

Hi Fris,

What is a brain-dump?  Sounds messy....

Will, T2
Frisbee® - 06 Aug 2007 16:53 GMT
>> We founded a tongue-in-cheek certification of our own in there called the
>> MCNGP (Mean Certified News Group Posters).  We even have our own web
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> What is a brain-dump?  Sounds messy....

A brain dump is a method of cheating on a certification exam.  The Microsoft
(and other) certification exams are proxied exams and it is illegal to share
the information you see in the exam after taking it, you accept an agreement
to this extent before you take the exams.  Unscrupulous people go to extreme
measures to record the contents of the exams, and then sell them to equally
unscrupulous people who want to cheat their way into certifications.
Believe it or not, the problem is rampant and seriously devalues the
certification process.  Most of these cheaters not only cheat, but even want
them for free.  That's where we come in.  Some of us have even worked
undercover to expose testing centers that use something called "gunmen" to
even take the exams FOR YOU.  Many have been shut down, and most are
overseas.  An unbelievable amount of people request brain dumps in the
newsgroups every day.  Sometimes we bait them to e-mail Microsoft themselves
to request them.  The hotline e-mail is tctips@microsoft.com and we'll tell
potential cheaters that tctips is Thomas C. Tips and he has the best brain
dumps for free!  Simply provide your MCP number (given when you pass any MS
exam) and he'll provide you with TONS of FREE BRAINDUMPS!  You'd be
surprised how many fall for it.  Some of us are now legends among the
tranining and certification people at Microsoft for steering cheaters and
would-be cheaters directly to them.

For anyone else who is curious, another spin-off group from the MCNGP (this
one a bit more serious) is called certguard and goes into great detail about
braindumps and "gunmen."

http://www.certguard.com?wp_ml=0
Will, T2 - 06 Aug 2007 17:15 GMT
> For anyone else who is curious, another spin-off group from the MCNGP
> (this
> one a bit more serious) is called certguard and goes into great detail
> about
> braindumps and "gunmen."

Sounds like a completly different shadow world out there ... Thanks for the
enlightenment. I have heard of people hiring others to take various kinds of
tests for them, but it sounds like "brain-dumps" and "gunmen" are taking
things to a whole new level....

Will, T2
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 04 Aug 2007 14:00 GMT
Frisbee? wrote:
> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.  Since
> I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which eludes me,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> BG tonight: 187.

It is your issues with hunger arising from the world's great lie about
it that gave you the irrational compulsion to overeat as you did:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed.

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Andy is Evil - 04 Aug 2007 17:50 GMT
Sock Notice: Newly hatched heartdoc18 found its spam launcher. Socks 9
thru 17 busy pecking each other.

>> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.
>> Sin
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> It is your issues with hunger arising from the world's great lie about
> it that gave you the irrational compulsion to overeat as you did:

Frisbee can safely ignore Andrew's psychobabble, it's only heartdoc18
learning to quack.

> http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease
SCAM ALERT
SPAM SITE

To complain about the excessive use of socks and the spamming of above
url:

multiple Google accounts.  All of these @emorycardiology.com,
i.e. heartdoc9@emorycardiology.com:
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heartmdphd.com appears to be hosted by Softcom:
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Judge for yourself the quality of our resident spam-boi:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/d559bc684dd89f72
?
hl=en&

Andy is Evil
Quince - 13 Aug 2007 22:38 GMT
> Tonight, one son wanted McDonald's and the other wanted Burger King.  Since
> I prefer McDonald's Asian Salad (the exact carb content of which eludes me,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> BG tonight: 187.  Dang... If I'm going to have a BG that high, I'd at least
> like to have eaten something worth it.  LIKE CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM!

FYI
McDonald's nutrition analysis website:
http://www.mcdonalds.com/app_controller.nutrition.index1.html

The Asian salad has either 15 gr. of carb  or 33 gr depending on whether
 it comes with the crispy chicken.
 
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