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Davybear - 02 Aug 2007 06:23 GMT
I work in a factory with a fairly strenuous job.
The temperatures can be 100+ degrees F.
I have been having problems feeling hypo but still having 105 BG readings.
How much does dehydration increase BG readings?
Julie Bove - 02 Aug 2007 06:37 GMT
>I work in a factory with a fairly strenuous job.
> The temperatures can be 100+ degrees F.
> I have been having problems feeling hypo but still having 105 BG readings.
> How much does dehydration increase BG readings?

I don't know by how much, but I know that it does.  When I was having oddly
high BG a few weeks ago, my Endo. surmised that it might be due to
dehydration.
Shawn Hirn - 02 Aug 2007 09:18 GMT
> I work in a factory with a fairly strenuous job.
> The temperatures can be 100+ degrees F.
> I have been having problems feeling hypo but still having 105 BG readings.
> How much does dehydration increase BG readings?

Do you check your BG when you feel hypo? You might also keep a bottle of
water with you at work to sip so you can avoid dehydration.
Loretta Eisenberg - 02 Aug 2007 13:59 GMT
Davy, I just read an article in the paper yesterday that a person needs
three quarts of liquid in their system a day not to get dehydraed,  It
can be in the form of fruit, especially watermelon which is 90 per cent
water.  I never am without a drink.  I dont know why you arent hydrating
yourself at least every fifteen minutes

I am sorry you have to work under those conditions.  but please keep
hydrating.

Loretta
Davybear - 03 Aug 2007 05:29 GMT
> Davy, I just read an article in the paper yesterday that a person needs
> three quarts of liquid in their system a day not to get dehydraed,  It
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Loretta

We have water fountains and soda vending machines at work but with the heat
right now I am sweating it out faster than I am drinking it.  At least I
will be on vacation next week so I will be getting a break.
Tim Shoppa - 02 Aug 2007 14:14 GMT
> I work in a factory with a fairly strenuous job.
> The temperatures can be 100+ degrees F.
> I have been having problems feeling hypo but still having 105 BG readings.
> How much does dehydration increase BG readings?

I don't know about dehydration increasing BG readings, but for me,
being dehydrated or physically exhausted can cause some symptoms that
are very similar to a real hypo beginning. This can go the other way
because after feeling hypo for a while I lose the ability to feel what
is a real hypo coming on. You don't describe your symptoms but for me
the ones that I get when dehydrated or exhausted include some vague
mental confusion, a feeling of disconnectedness from my body
(especially my legs), etc.

It's also possible if your bg's have been running high (>180 say) for
an extended period, that having a bg of 105 can trigger hypo symptoms
just because it's much lower than what your body has grown accustomed
to.

There are also some adrenal and thyroid problems that are not at all
rare in diabetics and can have symptoms very similar to hypos.

Tim.
Måck©® - 02 Aug 2007 16:20 GMT
>> I work in a factory with a fairly strenuous job.
>> The temperatures can be 100+ degrees F.
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>Tim.

Here the thing you have to remember about Blood Glucose and the water
content of your Blood.  When you are HYdrated properly your BG
readings are considered accurate.  Ie a BG of 105 is an actual 105.

However as we DEhydrate (the water content of our blood is decreased)
everything that is in our blood because "concentrated".

So we have to determine WHY we are becoming dehydrated.  In the case
of HI BGs due to over eating or a lack of insulin which also leads to
DKA.  The HI BG will trigger the dehydration as the body attempts to
flush excess glucose through the kidneys.  As this continues into DKA
for type 1s, the rate of dehydration and the rate at which the BG
climbs increases and worsens the rate of dehydration.

Now in the case "Davybear" describes he is working in an extreme
environment.  The stress from the heat alone, even without physical
activity would lower ones BG.  Add physical activity to that and the
risk of hypos increases.

Now as he is going hypo he is ALSO dehydrating(because of his extreme
working environment).  2 separate events taking place at the same
time.  As he starts to experience hypo symptoms the water content of
his blood is dropping, and the Glucose still in his blood is becoming
more concentrated.  So when he tests his BG he now gets a FALSE
reading of 105.  But with the lower amount of BG in the system because
of the hypo and the lower fluid level in the blood stream because of
the dehydration his body is still not going to be getting enough
glucose throughout his body to prevent the effects of the hypo.  He
needs both fluid replacement and glucose to treat this situation
correctly.

When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
shipyard.  I had to keep water AND juice or regular sodas on hand at
all times.  Liquid sugar metabolizes faster than glucose tabs or candy
or table sugar.  Drink the water on a regular basis, even if you are
not all that  thirsty.  You can also find sugar free sport drinks now.
Review them with your doctor.  Their cheaper and sometimes easier to
get than the electrolyte replacement drinks.

Consider this based on my experience only, but I suggest you talk it
over with your doc.  In your work environment if you feel any hypo
symptoms and you do not have the ability to stop what you are doing
long enough to test your BG and hydrate and treat the hypo.  then err
on the side of caution and simply act as if you are hypo and at the
very least treat for a mild to moderate hypo.  Far better to end up a
little hi, than dead because you had a hypo and an accident as a
result of it.

"It's never happened before".  "It can't happen to me". are all
natural foolish responses but they do lead to the Darwin Effect.

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Alice Faber - 02 Aug 2007 17:01 GMT
> When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
> test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Review them with your doctor.  Their cheaper and sometimes easier to
> get than the electrolyte replacement drinks.

Standard advice for outdoor activities such as hiking in the summertime
is that if you wait until you're thirsty to drink something, you're
already slightly dehydrated. When I went hiking with friends out west,
we would regularly remind each other to have some water.

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Måck©® - 02 Aug 2007 18:03 GMT
>> When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
>> test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>already slightly dehydrated. When I went hiking with friends out west,
>we would regularly remind each other to have some water.

absolutely correct.

Thanks Alice.

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Chris Malcolm - 03 Aug 2007 02:40 GMT
>> When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
>> test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> Review them with your doctor.  Their cheaper and sometimes easier to
>> get than the electrolyte replacement drinks.

> Standard advice for outdoor activities such as hiking in the summertime
> is that if you wait until you're thirsty to drink something, you're
> already slightly dehydrated. When I went hiking with friends out west,
> we would regularly remind each other to have some water.

If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
wrong with being slightly dehydrated?

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Alice Faber - 03 Aug 2007 02:53 GMT
> >> When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
> >> test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
> wrong with being slightly dehydrated?

When you're hiking in a very hot dry, desert area, by the time you're
thirsty you could be on the verge of heat stroke. By the time you notice
a problem, it can be too late.

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Chris Malcolm - 03 Aug 2007 11:24 GMT
>> >> When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
>> >> test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
>> wrong with being slightly dehydrated?

> When you're hiking in a very hot dry, desert area, by the time you're
> thirsty you could be on the verge of heat stroke. By the time you notice
> a problem, it can be too late.

Ah yes, I knew it could be a problem in desert areas where heat
stroke is a danger. Where I live carrying an umbrella when hiking in
the summer might be a more useful health precaution than carrying
water, and you're probably more likely to get drowned in a river flood
than die of heat stroke :-)

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Måck©® - 03 Aug 2007 10:52 GMT
>>> When I worked as a welder I experienced this several times.  I had to
>>> test my BG several times at work.  Not a problem where I was in a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
>wrong with being slightly dehydrated?

reread the original post and keep your question in context and you
should see an obvious answer to the question.

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Nicky - 03 Aug 2007 13:54 GMT
>If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
>wrong with being slightly dehydrated?

I've never understood this, either. As a kid in Africa, we were told
not to drink if we were out in the sun, you'd just sweat and need
more, leading to severe dehydration - we used to keep a pebble in our
mouths to suck on, to stop feeling thirsty, and only drink when we
were resting in shade. I've no idea how accurate this advice was, but
it seems just as likely to me as the 8-glasses-a-day advice which has
been so thoroughly debunked.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Chris Malcolm - 04 Aug 2007 09:28 GMT
>>If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
>>wrong with being slightly dehydrated?

> I've never understood this, either. As a kid in Africa, we were told
> not to drink if we were out in the sun, you'd just sweat and need
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> it seems just as likely to me as the 8-glasses-a-day advice which has
> been so thoroughly debunked.

The thorough debunking has a long way to go to get through to the
general population, however. For example, there are now plenty of
university students in cool humid Scotland who sincerely believe they
can't safely get through a single lecture without a number of swigs
from the water bottle they carry everywhere. It started with the US
students, but now the local students are doing it too. It's "well
known" that thirst is useless, you have to keep drinking water to keep
healthily hydrated and to keep the toxins flushed out.

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Michelle C. - 04 Aug 2007 20:05 GMT
> >>If you don't feel thirsty and don't notice any other problems what's
> >>wrong with being slightly dehydrated?
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> IPAB,  Informatics,  JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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I do think locale makes a difference in actual water intake needs.  I
live in the Mojave desert, and probably drink enough water to float a
boat--but when I lived in a more humid environment it wasn't necessary
to drink near as much as I do now.

However, Davybear's work environment no doubt requires more fluid than
he's been getting.

Best regards,
Michelle C., T2
diet & exercise
 
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