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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007HCFS in Cola beverages
Do you sometimes wonder why most commercially produced soda beverages in the US are sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup (HCDS), instead of other sweeteners? Well, here is an abstract to a recent study, appearing in the current issue of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition that seems to call the use of HFCS into great question. http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/1/116 Conclusion: There was no evidence that commercial cola beverages sweetened with either sucrose or HFCS have significantly different effects on hunger, satiety, or short-term energy intakes With all the drawbacks of HCFS in terms of its relationships to obesity and insulin resistance, it seems that the continued use of HCFS in the beverage industry is rather pointless. Will, T2 > Do you sometimes wonder why most commercially produced soda beverages > in the US are sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup (HCDS), instead [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > obesity and insulin resistance, it seems that the continued use of > HCFS in the beverage industry is rather pointless. The purpose of the study was to test the hypothesis that: "...HFCS in beverages has little satiating power." Specifically the objective was: "...to compare the relative effect of commercial beverages containing sucrose or HFCS on hunger, satiety, and energy intakes at the next meal with the use of a within-subject design." Bottomline: If the HFCS were to be changed back to sucrose, rising obesity rates would still continue because the cause of overeating is definitely because of folks' issues with hunger and not because of differences between sucrose and HFCS. Our issues with hunger are arising from the world's great lie about it: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >Do you sometimes wonder why most commercially produced soda beverages >in the US are sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup (HCDS), instead [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Will, T2 Health has nothing to do with it Will, as any non-USA cane sugar producer could affirm. I live in the midst of an Australian sugar cane district. Do some searching on the historical aspects of HFCS and cane sugar and you'll find that it has nothing to do with health aspects and a lot to do with complex political and trade issues, including Cuba and, separately, protection of the USA's corn producers. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management > Health has nothing to do with it Will, as any non-USA cane > sugar producer could affirm. I live in the midst of an [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > issues, including Cuba and, separately, protection of the > USA's corn producers. I agree, Alan... It seems like it is all about politics, trade, and money... Of course, the U.S. produces a lot of sugar, and has great potential to produce more. When I was a kid, we used to take pieces of fresh cut sugar cane to school as snacks... Will, T2 > I agree, Alan... It seems like it is all about politics, trade, and > money... > Of course, the U.S. produces a lot of sugar, and has great potential to > produce more. When I was a kid, we used to take pieces of fresh cut sugar > cane to school as snacks... We did too. Don't think I've seen any for sale recently, although I wasn't looking for it. > I agree, Alan... It seems like it is all about politics, trade, and money... > Of course, the U.S. produces a lot of sugar, and has great potential to > produce more. When I was a kid, we used to take pieces of fresh cut sugar > cane to school as snacks... > > Will, T2 I need to butt in here. First off, most of the sugar in the US is produced from sugar beets, not sugar cane, and the proportion of the two was fixed by an act of congress in 2003, I believe. In addition, the US has had tariff barriers in place to protect local sugar cane growers for many years. Apparently, seven families control over 80% of the sugar cane production in the US, and through judicious political donations, they gained and have maintained protection, resulting in much higher sugar prices in the US than the rest of the world. Coca-cola and many other food processors switched to HFCS when the price of domestic sugar skyrocketed back in the 70's. Part of this is due to the ridiculous, IMHO, US embargo on Cuban trade. Since China is one of the US's largest trading partners, and is also communist, why is Cuba shut out? But I digress.. The US subsidizes the production of corn-based ethanol by about 50%. This has boosted the price of corn which has had several knock-on effects. First, many US farmers are planting corn year after year, instead of practicing crop rotation. This requires heavier use of fertilizers, as corn depletes soil more than, say, soybeans. Ironically, this means more energy is used to produce a gallon of ethanol than that gallon produces in a car. (Note: ethanol is produced more efficiently and cheaply from sugar cane than corn, which is why Brazil produces so much of it.) However, due to the trade embargoes discussed above, Brazilian cane AND Brazilian ethanol face high tariff barriers to the US market, making them uneconomical choices. Second, the high price of corn is attracting corn from Mexico, where it is a staple food. The price of corn tortillas has doubled (and tripled in some places) in Mexico, causing a great deal of hardship amongst the general population. What does this do? Cause more illegal emigration to the US, and/or more co-operation with drug smugglers to make "easy" money. A lot of people here knock the ADA for stupidity, but for sheer idiocy, you really need to look at the US congress. KevinB >> I agree, Alan... It seems like it is all about politics, trade, and money... >> Of course, the U.S. produces a lot of sugar, and has great potential to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >>>>>snip for brevity only<<<<<<<< >The US subsidizes the production of corn-based ethanol by about 50%. >This has boosted the price of corn which has had several knock-on [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >KevinB Thanks for your post, Kevn... It goes to highlight the nonsense that has emerged from policies in Washington... Much of my childhood was spent living in Mississippi, where my father was a college professor. All around us were farms on which sugar cane was grown... There are millions of acres of idle land upon which sugar cane, cotton, and other agricultural crops can be grown, right now. National policy has dictated that the farmers be paid to keep their land idle, thus driving up the price of the domestic products. That is partly what the "Land Bank" is all about. Maybe things have changed a little, but I don't think so, by much. Will, T2 >> I agree, Alan... It seems like it is all about politics, trade, and money... >> Of course, the U.S. produces a lot of sugar, and has great potential to [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >cane AND Brazilian ethanol face high tariff barriers to the US market, >making them uneconomical choices. And, of course, that doesn't just apply to Brazil. > Second, the high price of corn >is attracting corn from Mexico, where it is a staple food. The price [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >KevinB Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >Do you sometimes wonder why most commercially produced soda beverages >in the US are sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup (HCDS), instead >of other sweeteners? No, not at all, I drink sodas only.  SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . Well, here is an abstract to a recent study, >appearing in the current issue of the American Journal of Clinical >Nutrition that seems to call the use of HFCS into great question. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Will, T2 On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:21:17 -0400, "Will, T2" <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote: >Do you sometimes wonder why most commercially produced soda beverages >in the US are sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup (HCDS), instead >of other sweeteners? No, not at all, I drink diet sodas only. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >No, not at all, I drink diet sodas only. And do do I, Mack... I have not had a "regular" soda, since being diagnosed over 2 yrs ago. Will, T2 >>No, not at all, I drink diet sodas only. > > And do do I, Mack... I have not had a "regular" soda, since being > diagnosed over 2 yrs ago. Last time I had one, I thought I was going to die! My parents brought only diet soda into the house and that's all we ever had. My friend gave me a real Coke because that's what she drank. It was like syrup! Bad syrup. Blech! : Do you sometimes wonder why most commercially produced soda beverages : in the US are sweetened with High Fructose Corn Syrup (HCDS), instead : of other sweeteners? Well, here is an abstract to a recent study, : appearing in the current issue of the American Journal of Clinical : Nutrition that seems to call the use of HFCS into great question. : http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/86/1/116 : Conclusion: There was no evidence that commercial cola beverages : sweetened with either sucrose or HFCS have significantly different : effects on hunger, satiety, or short-term energy intakes : With all the drawbacks of HCFS in terms of its relationships to : obesity and insulin resistance, it seems that the continued use of : HCFS in the beverage industry is rather pointless. : Will, T2 HFCS is used in sodas because it it cheaper than cane or beet sugar. Corn is so highly subsidized that corn products end up cheaper than most other things. do you realize that the petroleum needed to make the fertilizers for the corn fields, the gas sfor the tractors, the gas for the trucks to ship the stull all ove plus the energy required to process the corn into Ethanol far exceeds the petrolem saved bu using the ethanol in your tank? Wendy =indignant at this travisty. >HFCS is used in sodas because it it cheaper than cane or beet sugar. Corn >is so highly subsidized that corn products end up cheaper than most other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Wendy =indignant at this travisty. Hi Wendy, I did not want to come out and say it, for fear of seeming to preach, but I would say that you are exactly right! Will, T2 >>HFCS is used in sodas because it it cheaper than cane or beet sugar. Corn >>is so highly subsidized that corn products end up cheaper than most other [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Will, T2 However, that equation is not true on a global scale using other crops to produce ethanol. A further factor in that equation is the long-term difference between fossil fuels, which will eventually be exhausted, and renewable crop-based fuels. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management Watched a show american indians wanting to grow non thc bearing ..goverment grade hemp because the land they were "given" was unable to grow or sustain livestock or produce. The hemp they estimate could produce very cheaply huge quanities of ethonol and thousands of other useful things. But of course even though indian land is supposed to be soverign land and self ruled by treeaties...uncle same said no. Keep in mind its perfectly legal to buy the same hemp and import it to the US from canada. As long as those running the goverment have thier fingers in oil and trade monies we will never see anything reasonable or sane happen. George bush is looking for the terroists...16 of them came from saudi ..yet we give them weapons and rely on thier oil rather then being self sustaining as we easily could be. KROM >>>HFCS is used in sodas because it it cheaper than cane or beet sugar. >>>Corn [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ > latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management : >>HFCS is used in sodas because it it cheaper than cane or beet sugar. Corn : >>is so highly subsidized that corn products end up cheaper than most other [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : > : >Will, T2 : However, that equation is not true on a global scale using : other crops to produce ethanol. A further factor in that : equation is the long-term difference between fossil fuels, : which will eventually be exhausted, and renewable crop-based : fuels. : : Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ : latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management I amnot talking aout other crops like thessugar cae stalks in Brazil or some of the grasses they are talking about using. It is this nonsence that subsidized corn, grown withhigh overuse of petroleum products will save petroleum. the concept of eergy from renewable crops or used frying grease, etc is great, just make sure you don't use more petrolem ot make it than it saves. Wendy |
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