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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / August 2007Self Diagnosis... :-)
"My experience has been that doctors will give you a clear-cut, understandable diagnosis only if you wander in with, say, an ice pick protruding from your skull. And even then, you have to pretend that you don't know what's wrong. If you say, "I have an ice pick in my skull," the doctor will become irritated, because he spent all those years in medical school and he's damned if he's going to accept opinions from an untrained layperson such as yourself." Dave Barry Humorist > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dave Barry > Humorist I complained to a doctor about my feet burning about 5 years ago... he diagnosed a fungus... said it would go away. I didn't see any fungus... feet looked perfectly normal to me.If he had known what he was talking about I wouldn't have neuropathy now. John johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ... >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >John Pisses you off, doesn't it. Some of these doctors need to be caned about the buttocks and the legs, then maybe they'd know what the neuropathy feels like when it's out of control. Cheri > johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ... >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Cheri =================================== I have an 80 year old uncle who has pain from neuropathy that's so debilitating he has begged his Dr. to amputate his legs. That really gives us something to look forward to doesn't it?  SignatureJohn Inzer >>johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ... >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > That really gives us something to look forward > to doesn't it? Hopefully, I'm die from some STD before I'm 80....lol John >>>johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> > Hopefully, I'm die from some STD before I'm 80....lol Shouldn't have flipped the woman off on Monday night in your driveway ;) John Inzer wrote in message <4NudnSyhcOojZjLbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com>... >I have an 80 year old uncle who has pain from >neuropathy that's so debilitating he has begged >his Dr. to amputate his legs. > >That really gives us something to look forward >to doesn't it? How truly awful John. Stories like that make me more determined to keep decent control, but sometimes the neuropathy is real bad before diagnosis. :-( Cheri > John Inzer wrote in message > <4NudnSyhcOojZjLbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com>... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Cheri Mine was (is). I've learned to live with it. I can walk, just not a lot and sometimes I hobble around. When my Lyrica kicks in I can, pretty much, walk normally. John johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ... >> John Inzer wrote in message >> <4NudnSyhcOojZjLbnZ2dnUVZ_rKtnZ2d@comcast.com>... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >John Mine is much better than it used to be, but I remember the old days, and it was quite painful at night. I do take 2000 mg of Evening Primrose Oil, and 600 mg of sustained release Alpha Lipoic Acid daily, and have for quite some time, but I think the thing that's helped the most is getting those BG's down. I don't know if it's true or not, but I have heard that there's really no medication that kills the pain completely when it's bad. Does the Lyrica do that for the pain? Cheri > johnniemccoy@ wrote in message ... >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Cheri Yes, it does. You still feel the like you're walking on cobblestones but only the sensation, not the pain or burning. The EPO and ALA won't stop the pain and won't heal or re-grow dead nerves... nothing will. They will help new damage from occurring, but that's all. Others will disagree with me and that's fine. I still take them, though, since doing something is better than doing nothing. Ask your doctor to let you try the Lyrica. John John > The EPO and ALA won't stop the pain and won't heal or re-grow dead > nerves... nothing will. They will help new damage from occurring, but > that's all. Others will disagree with me and that's fine. I still take > them, though, since doing something is better than doing nothing. Ask your > doctor to let you try the Lyrica. I'll disagree that they won't stop the pain. I have noticed especially with the ALO, that if I run out the burning pain gets worse, and it gets better again a few days after I resume taking it. It doesn't totally stop the pain if I have a high blood sugar though. And I have also noticed when I eat starchy stuff even without my blood sugar going high, my feet burn more. I guess it could be that I am missing my peak blood sugar, but my peak must happen really fast if that is the case because I test at 1 hour after eating. KC > Mine is much better than it used to be, but I remember the old days, > and it was quite painful at night. I do take 2000 mg of Evening [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have heard that there's really no medication that kills the pain > completely when it's bad. Does the Lyrica do that for the pain? I got rid of neuropathy pain overnight by low carbing, but I still had lower leg and foot numbness and tingling in the mornings. Three months of time released ALA got rid of that, and I have absolutely no PNs now, years later. I did get a flareup a few winters ago after eating badly over holidays; one week of 1200 mg per day of ALA per day with low carb got rid of that. Susan > > Mine is much better than it used to be, but I remember the old days, > > and it was quite painful at night. I do take 2000 mg of Evening [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I did get a flareup a few winters ago after eating badly over holidays; We do tend to get much hungrier during the holidays (holy days) when GOD blesses us with lots of family and friends around who have lovingly prepared our favorite foods. It is the world's great lie about hunger that when entrenched in our hearts takes away our free will to avoid overeating (eating until our stomachs are stretched killing the hunger): http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease > one week of 1200 mg per day of ALA per day with low carb got rid of that. It remains wiser to eat less, down to the optimal amount to become healthier (hungrier) to lose the VAT, cure the IR/MetS, and possibly even cure the type-2 diabetes: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/Healing Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist >I got rid of neuropathy pain overnight by low carbing, but I still had >lower leg and foot numbness and tingling in the mornings. Three months [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Susan Yes, I'm very grateful to you for the ALA sustained release advice a couple of years ago. It has helped a lot. I can't speak for others who say it does nothing for them, I can only speak for myself. :-) Cheri > Yes, I'm very grateful to you for the ALA sustained release advice a > couple of years ago. It has helped a lot. I can't speak for others who > say it does nothing for them, I can only speak for myself. :-) > > Cheri It has sure helped me.... Will, T2 >I got rid of neuropathy pain overnight by low carbing, but I still had >lower leg and foot numbness and tingling in the mornings. Three months >of time released ALA got rid of that, and I have absolutely no PNs now, >years later. Do you still take the ALA on a regular basis, Susan? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >>I got rid of neuropathy pain overnight by low carbing, but I still had >>lower leg and foot numbness and tingling in the mornings. Three months >>of time released ALA got rid of that, and I have absolutely no PNs now, >>years later. > > Do you still take the ALA on a regular basis, Susan? Nicky, I had to quit taking it last year. It suppressed my adrenals as strongly as metformin did, dropped my bp to 90/53 and made me nearly faint. I am not IR; my fasting insulin a couple of months ago was 5.7, very low end of normal. On low carb a few years ago it was 8.5, taking ALA. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >very low end of normal. On low carb a few years ago it was 8.5, taking >ALA. Thanks. Am asking because I'm taking it for the first time, to get rid of the last bits of numbness; but it sounds like a temporary thing might be in order! Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 Sympathies, johnnie ... My feet are swollen most of the time - this makes it really difficult to find footwear. Fortunately, I have 'tennis shoes' that I cannot fasten but they do the job well enough. (Nike, Adidas... you know the kind) I cannot walk very far before all the energy is drained from my muscles ... Pushing diuretics through my system has almost zero effect on my swollen feet. "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemccoy@NOSPAMhotmail.com> a écrit ... >>>I have an 80 year old uncle who has pain from >>>neuropathy that's so debilitating he has begged [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John > Sympathies, johnnie ... > My feet are swollen most of the time - this makes it really difficult [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Pushing diuretics through my system has almost zero effect on my swollen > feet. I can only wear shoes for a short time.. maybe an hour at most and only if I need to impress someone. So far, I haven't impressed anybody. I wear the black casual slippers (actually bedroom slippers) from Wal-mart all the time, even at work. I have to wear socks all the time cause carpet is very irritating as are sheets in bed. People probably think I'm a little strange... I'm not... I'm just a little loony. John > I can only wear shoes for a short time.. maybe an hour at most and only if > I need to impress someone. So far, I haven't impressed anybody. I wear the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John I wear flip flops alot because I can take them off the second I don't need them anymore. I hate wearing even socks. I like nothing to touch my feet. I sleep sideways on my bed, so that my feet can just hang off the edge touching nothing. KC >> I can only wear shoes for a short time.. maybe an hour at most and only >> if I need to impress someone. So far, I haven't impressed anybody. I wear [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > KC Yeah, that's what I did for a long time. I discovered that socks, touching firmly all the time kind of desensitized my feet so that touching other things didn't bother me as much. John John, Frank, KC, Kris.... and others I cannot recall right now..... ;) Looks like to me we need to form a "foot" group, get all the "coping with the feet" experiences we have had into one place. lol Frank, have you talked to your doctor about your swollen feet, and weakened legs? *smile.... I really think you should.* There are lots of things that could be going on. I worked hard last year finally getting my *weeping edema* legs/feet back to normal, after all the doctors failed. When I went back to the infectious disease doctor, he said, "What did you do? How did you do it?" Hard work and diligence, day in and day out, 24/7. I took everything they'd all said, and I kept my feet higher than my waist, *sometimes* higher than my heart (the aim to get rid of all that fluid), and wrapped them from feet to knees. From the sound of it, your feet and legs are in pretty bad shape, too. So sorry. :( John, you're not strange at all for someone who is experiencing what you are. I, a woman who comes close to being a shoe freak, gave up trying to have impressive feet some time ago. :( Sad, sad, day in my life. Even in a wheel chair, one likes to still look nice, even if you do not walk on your feet (keeps the shoes in good shape for a long, long time ;). Now that the swelling is gone, I am back to my normal size ~most of the time~ and enjoying looking at the shoes again. *yippee yeay* KC, I'm surprised that you can stand the flip flops. I had some sandals that I got last year to have something that looked like a shoe whenever I went out, and I could barely stand the strap between my toes. Guess you've got them stretched, and shaped to your feet, though. Empathy, sympathy........ whatever........ it is all there for you guys. Billie "Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis" Myasthenia Gravis Foundation of America http://www.myasthenia.org Muscular Dystrophy Association http://www.mda.org/disease/mg.html http://www.mda.org/publications/fa-mg-treatment.html Myasthenia Gravis Association UK http://www.mga.superbuilder.net/mgaforum.html : > Sympathies, johnnie ... : > My feet are swollen most of the time - this makes it really difficult [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : > Pushing diuretics through my system has almost zero effect on my swollen : > feet. Frank t2 : I can only wear shoes for a short time.. maybe an hour at most and only if I : need to impress someone. So far, I haven't impressed anybody. I wear the : black casual slippers (actually bedroom slippers) from Wal-mart all the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : > : > KC : Yeah, that's what I did for a long time. I discovered that socks, touching : firmly all the time kind of desensitized my feet so that touching other : things didn't bother me as much. : : John > John, Frank, KC, Kris.... and others I cannot recall right now..... ;) > Looks like to me we need to form a "foot" group, get all the "coping with > the feet" experiences we have had into one place. lol I could like the ideas of a "foot" group. I have had foot problems my whole life, and never really found anybody with as bad of feet as mine before. > Frank, have you talked to your doctor about your swollen feet, and > weakened [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > swelling is gone, I am back to my normal size ~most of the time~ and > enjoying looking at the shoes again. *yippee yeay* I was also very sad when I couldn't wear normal shoes anymore, and at the same time as my feet really went to hell, I started having alot of pain in my outer thighs which keeps me in pants instead of dresses because the warmth of the pants on my legs helps them to feel better. It was all pretty devastating at first as I had been a very dressy person all my life before the problems. > KC, I'm surprised that you can stand the flip flops. I had some sandals > that I got last year to have something that looked like a shoe whenever I > went out, and I could barely stand the strap between my toes. Guess > you've > got them stretched, and shaped to your feet, though. I've had alot of surgeries on the first metatarsals of my feet, so that area of my foot tends toward numbness compared to the other areas which tend toward pain. Also, my feet are shaped pretty funny, so normally shaped shoes push them into shapes that cause me more pain. The flip flops let my feet be the shape that they are most comfortable. > Empathy, sympathy........ whatever........ it is all there for you guys. Same to you Billie. KC > Billie > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > : > : John Billie to the rescue ! Thank you Billie, for taking charge .. I appreciate it as it has been a problem for me for some time now. Yes, I have talked several times with my Dr about my swollen feet and he says it's the fat in the veins. I tried a period of diuretics, which didn't (and still don't ) work. My wife, who is a biologist (and whose parents are both Doctors) suggest the raised leg appeoach, but I mocve about so much in bed that it's potential value is quickly negated. TY for your commiserations. It's always nice to receive word from someone who is genuinely interested in one's ailments. My Fort Dodge, IA friend will be moved into a VA clinic is that the right term?) at the weekend. His AS & MS problems will never be solved and though he is never suicidal, his depression is sometimes hard for me to read, even. <hugs> ... "Billie" <mynewsaccount@swbell.net> a écrit ... > John, Frank, KC, Kris.... and others I cannot recall right now..... ;) > Looks like to me we need to form a "foot" group, get all the "coping with [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > : > : John : Yes, I have talked several times with my Dr about my : swollen feet and he says it's the fat in the veins. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : suggest the raised leg appeoach, but I mocve about so much in : bed that it's potential value is quickly negated. Frank, no diuretics helped me, either. Consider how much LESS you would be able to mover around in a hospital bed, wheel chair, and especially a coffin. It would be worth your while of tackling this now, than when immobility is forced upon you. I sat in chair facing the sofa where I had the cushions and pillows high enough. Awkward, but well worth it. I also had diabetic ulcers in these legs and feet. I wanted the legs and feet for all my future, and that was my motivation to stick with it regardless of the inconvenience, and sometimes discomfort at being in that position for extended periods of time. What is your daily schedule like? Give me some more insight as to your day. It seems to me you just ought to be very concerned for your feet/legs from what you have said so far. At the same time I was elevating them, I also was keeping them wrapped in tape/bandages. You just cannot imagine the amount of water that flowed from my legs for six months. It would pool in my shoes whenever I would go some place. Billie "Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis" Myasthenia Gravis Foundation of America http://www.myasthenia.org Muscular Dystrophy Association http://www.mda.org/disease/mg.html http://www.mda.org/publications/fa-mg-treatment.html Myasthenia Gravis Association UK http://www.mga.superbuilder.net/mgaforum.html : Billie to the rescue ! : [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] : : <hugs> ... How long of wearing the socks before they stopped bugging you? I have never had them on longer than an hour so far. KC > Yeah, that's what I did for a long time. I discovered that socks, touching > firmly all the time kind of desensitized my feet so that touching other > things didn't bother me as much. > > John >> Yeah, that's what I did for a long time. I discovered that socks, >> touching firmly all the time kind of desensitized my feet so that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > KC Well, socks didn't bother me too much to begin with. Everything else I touched did, though. Maybe if won't work for everybody. John Aren't you afraid of the spiders at night ? "KC" <nomail@forme.com> a écrit ... > I wear flip flops alot because I can take them off the second I don't need > them anymore. I hate wearing even socks. I like nothing to touch my > feet. I sleep sideways on my bed, so that my feet can just hang off the > edge touching nothing. > > KC Do you mean that a spider could land on my foot because it is not under covers? I haven't thought about that, but in the summer I only keep covers from about the hip to knee level (because my chronic outer thigh pain hurts alot less if I keep them warm), so a spider would have plenty of places to land on me. The one thing I have thought about bugs and sleeping is when I have seen medical shows on TV where doctors remove bugs from people's ears. But, I have worn ear plugs for 24 years now ever since I worked graveyard so long ago, so whenever I see those shows I am always glad I wear ear plugs for sleeping. KC > Aren't you afraid of the spiders at night ? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> KC And .... ummmmm, you have no OTHER places where they could get in ? "KC" <nomail@forme.com> a écrit ... > Do you mean that a spider could land on my foot because it is not under > covers? I haven't thought about that, but in the summer I only keep [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> KC Thanks for reminding me! Do you cover your whole body with netting? KC > And .... ummmmm, you have no OTHER places where they could get in ? > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>>> >>>> KC <makes a noise like a spider> lol ...... "KC" <nomail@forme.com> a écrit ... > Thanks for reminding me! Do you cover your whole body with netting? > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>>>> >>>>> KC Yep. Billie "Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis" Myasthenia Gravis Foundation of America http://www.myasthenia.org Muscular Dystrophy Association http://www.mda.org/disease/mg.html http://www.mda.org/publications/fa-mg-treatment.html Myasthenia Gravis Association UK http://www.mga.superbuilder.net/mgaforum.html , but sometimes the neuropathy is real bad before : diagnosis. :-( : : Cheri "John Inzer" <oobie@doobie.xyz> wrote in message : >> I complained to a doctor about my feet burning about 5 years ago... : >> he diagnosed a fungus... said it would go away. I didn't see any [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] : : John Inzer My sentiments often. I've asked them to do "lower body" transplants. Amazing how something so *dead* can hurt so badly. It is the major contributing factor in complicating my mg treatment, and what has me loving this bed of mine! :( Billie "Striving for a world without Myasthenia Gravis" Myasthenia Gravis Foundation of America http://www.myasthenia.org Muscular Dystrophy Association http://www.mda.org/disease/mg.html http://www.mda.org/publications/fa-mg-treatment.html Myasthenia Gravis Association UK http://www.mga.superbuilder.net/mgaforum.html >I have an 80 year old uncle who has pain from >neuropathy that's so debilitating he has begged >his Dr. to amputate his legs. > >That really gives us something to look forward >to doesn't it? Mine used to feel like I was walking on knives - like the story in the Little Mermaid. Good control reversed it. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Dave Barry >Humorist Now, that's funny. Cheri >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Dave Barry >Humorist <hehe> I think I might have finally found a doctor I can actually trust -- for my son. I've had to take him in twice now. (Why can't kids just sit still and stay out of trouble?! Why do they have to break things and get all germie?!) Both times he was great. He didn't talk down to either one of us. He *asked me* what I thought was going on -- which I really appreciated since I'm the one that spends all the time with him! And *then* he gave me three options of what to do -- told he what his preference was and let *me* decide. And the bonus was that I actually agreed with him! He doesn't advocate a shotgun approach to labs and xrays and MRIs and who-knows-what -- I think I really like him and I'm almost afraid to say so for fear of jinxing this! LOL! I might even go see him myself. Don't want to jump into anything -- gotta think about it *a lot* but -- SignatureBlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 May 2007 A1c 5.5 Oct 2006 A1c 5.8 Jun 2005 A1c 6.8 >I think I might have finally found a doctor I can actually trust -- >for my son. I've had to take him in twice now. (Why can't kids just [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I might even go see him myself. Don't want to jump into anything -- >gotta think about it *a lot* but -- Sounds good. How's the germy destroyer? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >>I think I might have finally found a doctor I can actually trust -- >>for my son. I've had to take him in twice now. (Why can't kids just [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Sounds good. How's the germy destroyer? <hehe> Hi, Alan! He's doing okay! Thanks! I guess I can't really blame him for this one -- hubby "imported it" when he came home a couple of weeks ago. That's part of the reason the doctor didn't know what it was, and he did ask me if this was some kind of test. LOL! I had almost posted to this group to see if anyone had any idea what it might be. I know the people here aren't doctors, but since they are from other places, where he might have picked it up, I thought they might have heard of it. I haven't had any gall bladder problems (that I know or) but when it hit, that's the first thing I thought of -- the pain is unbelievable! But it is just a virus that runs its course in four or five days. But it's like no virus I ever experienced before, and it was hard on him, too -- which is why I went ahead and took him to the doctor. Since I couldn't afford the lab work to nail it down, they gave him some medication to help him relax and sleep to get through it. But we still don't know what it was. Since we don't get out much, I'm hoping we didn't spread it around much -- I didn't go anywhere when I was sick, but he didn't know he had it until we were on our way *home* from taekwondo class last week -- ack! He hasn't been well enough to go back, yet, so I don't know if anyone else got it. :-( Don't know why I'm so chatty lately -- LOL! Maybe that's a side effect? LOL! I hope you are well down there! :-) SignatureBlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 May 2007 A1c 5.5 Oct 2006 A1c 5.8 Jun 2005 A1c 6.8 >>Sounds good. How's the germy destroyer? > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >I hope you are well down there! :-) I'm fine. In the process of renovating a flat (doing the painting, organising plumbers, electricians, cabinet-makers, carpenters, plasterers etc etc) and helping Mum settle into hers now that she's back from wandering around up North in her motorhome. Keeps me busy:-) It's good to see someone with the responsibility to try not to spread things around. Back when I worked in an open-plan office I used to get angry when someone turned up for work with an obvious bug. I knew that we would all have it within the week. Hope everyone in your house is well again soon. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management >>>Sounds good. How's the germy destroyer? >> [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >hers now that she's back from wandering around up North in >her motorhome. Keeps me busy:-) Busy is good! :-) I'm glad she had a good time and got home safe. >It's good to see someone with the responsibility to try not >to spread things around. Back when I worked in an open-plan >office I used to get angry when someone turned up for work >with an obvious bug. I knew that we would all have it within >the week. We are pretty healthy -- I can't remember the last time any of us had a cold, so whatever-this-was was a surprise and hit hard. But I don't believe in sharing. I love the cashiers at the grocery store who sneeze on my change and tell me how sick they are. I guess I'm supposed to think they are brave or something -- but I don't. >Hope everyone in your house is well again soon. He's still got a bit of discomfort, but he's just fine. Thanks. :-) SignatureBlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 May 2007 A1c 5.5 Oct 2006 A1c 5.8 Jun 2005 A1c 6.8 As a kid of about 15 i was showing off and feel out a tree i was jumping about in. I knew my arm was broken. My friends mother was a nurse and she said wiggle your fingers and i did no problems and she declared me fine. I went home and told my mother and she called the nurse and took the nurses word that i was fine and refused to take me to the doctor. I on my own took the bus to the er and they called my mom and she relayed the nurses findings and they too said i was fine. I refused to leave and the doctor disgustedly told the nurse to x-ray me and get me out of his ER. She leads me to the table and angerly yanks my arm down under the crosshair light and the arm bent in ways it shouldnt and she starts sobbing and screams for the doc and apologised over and over.. The called my mom and chewed her out and she chewed them out and later the nurse mom of my pal. Good news was i got pizza downtown and my mom was nice for a day or so..lol KROM > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dave Barry > Humorist krom wrote in message ... >She leads me to the table and angerly yanks my arm down under the crosshair >light and the arm bent in ways it shouldnt and she starts sobbing and >screams for the doc and apologised over and over.. >The called my mom and chewed her out and she chewed them out and later the >nurse mom of my pal. The nurse doing the X-ray should have given herself a good clip alongside the ear for "angrily yanking your arm" too. Cheri Least i was well into shock by then and felt nothing...got a cast from sholder to finger tips i broke my arm in three places and had hairline fractures in others. KROM > krom wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Cheri > As a kid of about 15 i was showing off and feel out a tree i was jumping > about in. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > KROM Oh, my. How painful etc. Yeah, a friend of mine had a similar experience, only she didn't feel better after a hot chocolate chip cookie, so her mom (A nurse) KNEW then that something must be really wrong. I guess we've got to add the chocolate chip cookie test to the list? My cousin has an extremely high pain threshold. She broke her wrist when she was younger. As they were going off to x-ray, the nurse told her mom it was very likely not to be broken, as my cousin was waving good bye to her mom with the hurt arm! Well, it was in fact broken... Emily While everyone had me wiggle my fingers nobody bothered to ask me to raise my arm which i couldnt do. KROM >> As a kid of about 15 i was showing off and feel out a tree i was jumping >> about in. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Emily Hmmm, .. .d'you think it was worth ONE pizza ? 2003, I was on a mushroom hunt with my wife-to-be and I fell on some slippery muddy bank near a small stream. For the next 3 days, I was driving somewhat clumsily as my right hand hurt pretty badly. Eventually, I allowed my future bride drag me to a hospital where an Xray indicated a broken wrist and an op was performed 2 days later. Ever since, my wife has got me as someone who can stand a lot of pain without complaining ... How can I reverse this situation ? "krom" <thekromremoveremove@hotmail.com> a écrit ... > As a kid of about 15 i was showing off and feel out a tree i was jumping > about in. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> Dave Barry >> Humorist >Ever since, my wife has got me as someone who can stand >a lot of pain without complaining ... > >How can I reverse this situation ? Explain to her that you had a kind of neuropathy that numbed your pain sense. As you're getting better control, this situation is worsening, and now you're exquisitely sensitive to some sensations.... Hell, might even be true. I had numb feet halfway up the shins at dx, and they hurt like hell whilst the nerve sheathing was growing back... Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > damned if he's going to accept opinions from an untrained layperson > such as yourself." What I find frustrating (and I've complained about it before) is docs who won't treat the obvious until a bazillion lab tests have been run. Maybe they're doing it as a CTA (Cover Their a.s) maneuver, maybe they do it because they feel there's something to be gained by quantifying everything to the last decimal point, maybe they're looking for some deep cause/effect pattern. I really can't tell because those same docs never actually tell me anything. They also don't last past one visit from me! Tim. >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Tim. Hmmm... Yeah. I hate that too. It's like, um you can see what is wrong, why do I have to have an ekg too? or whatever. I was glad my hematologist gave me about eight chances to pass my CBC before going after bone marrow. Someone else might have headed straight for the bone marrow. So it turns out I may have had a bone marrow biopsy for a sinus infection, but I was asymptomatic of that until a week or so after the biopsy, and the first few high white counts were likely not related to that at all... I also had an E.R. doc who was looking at me cause I'd been bitten by a stray cat. (jumped between him and my cat and um got bitten by both and it was not fun). I was at the E.R. three hours later with both my hands swollen to at least four times their normal size, and obviously a raging infection. Cat bites are nasty. (I wasn't diabetic then). Well, the E.R. doc wouldn't give me anything stronger than prescription advil because I had driven myself to the hospital and I couldn't drive home if he gave me something stronger. I remember thinking, there is no way you are NOT going to admit me for this, but whatever. Fortunately he'd decided to admit me before giving me the human immunoglobulin for rabies. (something that has to be injected right into the wounds, the rest goes in the butt, and then the actual first dose of the rabies shot goes in the arm). Well, he asked how my pain was on a scale of one to ten before doing the injections and when it was still an 9 (down from over ten) after the advil stuff, he decided I should have some morphine before he did the injections. I just can't believe he hadn't decided to admit me earlier. Given my history of a septic hand infection a year earlier, and the fact that I was already infection prone, and had been septic twice in my life, not to mention that this was only THREE hours after the incident, I would have made the decision to admit right away, and then given me some GOOD pain killers. At least the hand surgeon who treated me was quite liberal with the percocet! (sent me home with a script for lots, and I didn't need any at that point. I'd stopped taking them at the hospital before I left (until I got menstrual cramps, and then that was the only pain reliever ordered, it was a bit of overkill but it worked, LOL). I still have some and I have taken one or two on occasion when I knew I wouldn't have to do anything before the effects wore off and nothing else was working on whatever pain I had at the time... Emily >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Tim. Sometimes there are good reasons. I changed docs in late 2001. The new doc added a few extra tests, without bothering to ask, when I went in for a simple test to renew a Lipitor prescription in early 2002. I didn't even think to ask what he took all the extra blood for. Consequently, over the next three months, he diagnosed Leukemia, Hypogammaglobulinemia and eventually type 2 Diabetes. Some of those should have been obvious to previous doctors from both physical signs and prior blood tests. But none of those doctors did the extra tests needed to investigate and confirm. Of course, there is a balance point between exploratory tests and excessive testing. When my haemo told me I needed another bone marrow biopsy because I hadn't had one for three years - despite all my other CLL tests indicating improvement - I changed haemos. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management > What I find frustrating (and I've complained about it before) is docs > who won't treat the obvious until a bazillion lab tests have been run. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tim. I have found the opposite frustrating as well. When doctors have treated something without labs, and it ended up being diagnosed incorrectly and not really treated. KC > "My experience has been that doctors will give you a clear-cut, > understandable diagnosis only if you wander in with, say, an ice pick [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Dave Barry > Humorist Sadly, Mr. Barry's and your contempt for doctors are showing. This does explain why you hold the false belief that folks with type-2 diabetes actually have Cushing's syndrome... ... it is coming out of your contempt for those who are doing the diagnosing. One wonders how many doctors you had to consult before you found one that would agree with your self-diagnosis of Cushing's. You likely got angrier with each doctor that disagreed with you. Again, sad. Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist > Sadly, Mr. Barry's and your contempt for doctors are showing. especially if they are unemployed fraud doctors called Chung FR SignatureAndrew Chung: Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google) Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google sock accounts and email addresses in the format love#@thetruth.com (# being a number) Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job after just over 80 days Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates, which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets) Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet, then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process. Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto food. Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to. Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong. Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a church. Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being on vacation". Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his 'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google. Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they pass away. >> "My experience has been that doctors will give you a clear-cut, >> understandable diagnosis only if you wander in with, say, an ice pick [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sadly, Mr. Barry's and your contempt for doctors are showing. How is his contempt unwarranted, and what's sad about its showing? > This does explain why you hold the false belief that folks with type-2 > diabetes actually have Cushing's syndrome... And what explains why virtually the entire medical establishment held for so many years the false belief that peptic-ulcer-disease was non-infectious, and rather due to "stress" / "worry"? What explains the medical establishment's psychotic implementation of the American Psychiatric Association's perverted guidelines, as referenced on the page linked to by my sig line? What explains most doctors failing at even the most basic clerical tasks, as referenced in the page linked to by my sig line? > ... it is coming out of your contempt for those who are doing the > diagnosing. Is contempt for the medical racket anything but the expectable and culturally sanctioned response to their treacherous, psychotic behavior? > One wonders how many doctors you had to consult before you found one > that would agree with your self-diagnosis of Cushing's. One wonders how many doctors he had to consult before finding a competent one. Only a quack engaged in felonious collusion would discount the epidemic of incompetence plaguing the medical racket. > You likely got angrier with each doctor that disagreed with you. You likely get angrier with each person who questions competence and integrity. Pathetic. > Again, sad. > > Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed: Be warned. > http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease > > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > Andrew <>< Signaturehttp://www.domain357.info/DrDre.html > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > How is his contempt unwarranted, and what's sad about its showing? Did not write that his contempt is unwarranted. A heart filled with contempt for others is a heart filled with hate. Sadly, hate destroys the soul. It remains wiser to love others as you love yourself. This is what GOD commands. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you healthier (hungrier) than ever: http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Cardiologist > It remains wiser to love others as you love yourself. This is what > GOD commands. as he is issuing new commandments, does that not mean Chung is again setting himself up as a prophet? The messenger of God? "But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." "You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NIV). So as Chung prophesied earthquakes, nuclear wars, the destruction of Tehran (complete with dates) and the rest, that qualifies him firmly as a false prophet. No doubt his St Chung the Baptist fantasy will continue unabated. FR > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dave Barry > Humorist I agree, Susan. Although the current doctor I see (currently, thankfully very infrequently), is excellent, I would not rely on any doctor's opinion on any ailment other than the common cold. I would want to confirm it - through the Web, newsgroups and any other means at my disposal. That has been how I've been managing my diabetes. Henry. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dave Barry > Humorist Thanks for sharing this Susan. I love Dave Barry, and I definitely have met doctors like this. Fortunately, my doctor is not like this (she wouldn't be my doctor if she were). She listens to me, and if I mention that I think I need a certain test (like my thyroid may be out of whack or something) she will usually order it. She also of course looks at the whole me and thinks of tests etc. that I obviously wouldn't having not spent four years in med school. Although, it was my hair dresser that diagnosed my thyroid issue first. (Well sort of, my hair was in very bad shape and falling out I lost about 3/4 of it total by the time my thyroid issue was corrected, but it's all back now. Fortunately I had thick hair, and lost it uniformly, so I wasn't bald! My hair dresser said her hair did the same thing when her thyroid went low. I actually noticed that my symptoms fit an over active thyroid more than a low one, but hair loss is common to both. I lost the first 2/3 of my hair when hyperthyroid, and the rest when I went hypo after the ablation). So, I mentioned to my doc when I went to be checked out for all the symptoms I was having that my hair dresser thought I should have my thyroid tested. She thought it sounded reasonable too, and it was a simple blood test. She sent me to an endo when my TSH was .01! Emily |
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