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Julie Bove - 01 Aug 2007 01:46 GMT
What a frustrating word!  Was at the eye Dr. yesterday and he was asking
about my BG.  Left eye seemed to keep fluctuating when he did the lens
thing, asking me which one was better.  First, number one would be better,
then number two.  Bottom line my prescription didn't change, although I am
getting new glasses after having that accident with the old ones around Xmas
time.  I got new frames with the old lenses in them, but it wasn't a perfect
fit and I always worry that they'll pop out.  Anyway...

The eye Dr. asked me, "So...  Would you say you have fair control?  Poor
control?"

Why can't they call it something else?  At the moment  I feel like the
damned thing is controlling me and not the other way around.  I mean...  My
numbers were higher than I'd like, for no apparent reason.  Endo. put me on
an additional med and instead of my numbers going down, they shot up over
300!

Stopped the new med for a few days.  Numbers dropped.  Started it up again
and my numbers are lower now, but some are still higher than I'd like.

That word "control" just annoys me.  Makes me feel like a failure when I'm
doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
still isn't working.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 01 Aug 2007 02:05 GMT
> What a frustrating word!  Was at the eye Dr. yesterday and he was asking
> about my BG.  Left eye seemed to keep fluctuating when he did the lens
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
> still isn't working.

It is GOD Who is in control and not us, thankfully.

Be hungry... be healthy... be blessed:

http://HeartMDPhD.com/PressRelease

Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,

Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cardiologist
Susan - 01 Aug 2007 03:15 GMT
> What a frustrating word!  Was at the eye Dr. yesterday and he was asking
> about my BG.  Left eye seemed to keep fluctuating when he did the lens
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
> still isn't working.

Julie, it's control, an objective term, not self control, an accusatory one.

Right now you don't have a handle on it, so you're not in control, it's
true.

Frustrating, I'm sure.

Susan
Loretta Eisenberg - 01 Aug 2007 04:51 GMT
Julie, that is how they ask people if they have good numbers, are you in
fair control or good control or no control.  If you are doing all that
you say you are to be in control, it must be frustrating to have to
answer that question.  Its just a word and he didnt know it bothered
you.

Loretta
Julie Bove - 01 Aug 2007 06:12 GMT
> Julie, that is how they ask people if they have good numbers, are you in
> fair control or good control or no control.  If you are doing all that
> you say you are to be in control, it must be frustrating to have to
> answer that question.  Its just a word and he didnt know it bothered
> you.

I know I'm not the only one who is bothered by that  word.  This subject
came up when I was in a diabetes support group.  The leader was a brittle
type 1.  She hated the word.
Laura@notmy.com - 01 Aug 2007 07:04 GMT
>I know I'm not the only one who is bothered by that  word.  This subject
>came up when I was in a diabetes support group.  The leader was a brittle
>type 1.  She hated the word.

Julie, I think I understand your frustration.  The implication of the
word is that you have the power in your behavior to control your BG
and if you are not "in control", then you must be doing something
wrong, when in your case you're doing everything you can do and the
rest of your body just won't respond to your efforts because of the
other conditions you are faced with.  It's kind of like when a patient
really is doing everything their doctor advises and is then labeled
"non-compliant" when in fact the treatment is what is failing not the
patient.
Alan S - 01 Aug 2007 07:46 GMT
>> Julie, that is how they ask people if they have good numbers, are you in
>> fair control or good control or no control.  If you are doing all that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>came up when I was in a diabetes support group.  The leader was a brittle
>type 1.  She hated the word.

Words rarely bother me. Meanings and intent may offend me -
but the word does not. I aim for good Control of my
diabetes; I see no other word that suits as well although
some come close, like management.

While words don't bother me, restriction and distortion of
the use of words does. I'm pretty tired of the PC world that
puts meanings to words that I never intended. People keep
stealing the words I grew up with and giving them new
meanings I never used or intended. A Dame was the wife of a
lord. To be Gay was to have fun, without any sexual
connotations. Madam was the female salutation on a letter.
There are too many other examples.

I think I'll start stealing them back. And regain some
Control of my own language.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
hemyd - 01 Aug 2007 12:27 GMT
>>> Julie, that is how they ask people if they have good numbers, are you in
>>> fair control or good control or no control.  If you are doing all that
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> I think I'll start stealing them back. And regain some
> Control of my own language.

If you truly want to know what can be done with words - with whole
sentences, in fact - you need to be in the corporate environment.....

Henry.
Alan S - 01 Aug 2007 14:56 GMT
>>>> Julie, that is how they ask people if they have good numbers, are you in
>>>> fair control or good control or no control.  If you are doing all that
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
>Henry.

I am eternally grateful that that is one place I will never
be again. Even worse, I was in the Defence Department
dealing with bureaucrats who made Sir Humphrey seem normal.

For USAians who have never seen "Yes Minister" - it's too
hard to explain, so watch this instead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyhxqIzAKdY
Sir Humphrey opens the conversation; he is advising his
Prime Minister on the semantics of truth.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/
latest: Mossman Gorge in the Daintree Rainforest
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
latest: Self-Testing and Type 2 Management
Frank t2 - 02 Aug 2007 00:28 GMT
Then, of course, there is the famous one about English newspapers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxdMFRwztl4

"Alan S" <loralgtweightandcarbs@gmail.com> a écrit ...

> I am eternally grateful that that is one place I will never
> be again. Even worse, I was in the Defence Department
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
Priscilla H. Ballou - 02 Aug 2007 18:19 GMT
> Then, of course, there is the famous one about English newspapers:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> > Sir Humphrey opens the conversation; he is advising his
> > Prime Minister on the semantics of truth.

Thanks for these links.  I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed "Yes,
Minister" and "Yes, Prime Minister."

Priscilla
Frank t2 - 02 Aug 2007 23:21 GMT
For a cool lady like you ... any time.

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze23t8n@verizon.net> a écrit ...
> > " Frank t2" <a@b.c> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Priscilla
krom - 01 Aug 2007 10:47 GMT
A "failure" is a end result and you arent done working on your numbers so
you cant fail.
I see you trying everything possible to maintian good numbers despite meds
and obsticles.
You should be proud of yourself.

KROM

> What a frustrating word!  Was at the eye Dr. yesterday and he was asking
> about my BG.  Left eye seemed to keep fluctuating when he did the lens
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
> still isn't working.
Emily - 01 Aug 2007 18:50 GMT
> What a frustrating word!  Was at the eye Dr. yesterday and he was asking
> about my BG.  Left eye seemed to keep fluctuating when he did the lens
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
> still isn't working.

I hear you Julie.  It's such a PITA when other health problems crop up,
because they all wreak havoc on the diabetes.  I have been consistently
labeled as good control since starting insulin, and for the most part
have had that. (80-110).  However, with the UTI I had recently, I was so
NOT in control. It stunk. (not to mention the fact that I had finally
scheduled my apt. to be refracted which I didn't have done at my dilated
exam because I wasn't yet in 'control').  Fortunately, I was back in a
decent range by then--and my script also didn't change, but I too am
getting new glasses as my current pair is my ONLY pair, and that is not
a good thing if I were to lose or break them. (can't drive or read or do
much of anything without them.  Well, I can read, if the print is large
enough and it's about two inches from my face. My mom makes fun of me
cause I bring things closer to my face when I can't see them--she does
the opposite).
I always know before I get other symptoms that SOMETHING is going on
with my body, cause my BG goes higher than I'd like.  During my UTI I
used one and a half whole novolog pens! I usually use less than one a
month!  Now that the infection is gone, I've broken out my novo-pen Jr.
 The half units really help, since I am now super sensitive to insulin.
 A half unit too much, and I am headed low.  That's another issue, I go
high with infections etc. so I change my insulin around, and then
suddenly, one day I'm not sick anymore, and I'm still using the
infection dosing, and I go low all day long (can't exactly undo the
amount of levemir I took the night before...).  So I have to eat to
treat the lows, and then I've consumed way too many calories for the day.
Just know I'm thinking of you and your health issues and sending
positive thoughts your way.  I would hate to be so unable to control
things on a daily basis, it's bad enough when I'm sick, and I seem to
get sick a lot...  But, at least I have moments of control in between.

O.k., so I think I've used the word control way too much here. I'm a bit
of a control freak, or so my therapist and I have determined, and it's
probably not a great word for me either.  I guess that's why I
definitely preferred a diabetes diagnosis over a cancer diagnosis,
because diabetes CAN be controlled. Or at least sometimes to a certain
extent. I'm slowly learning that control is not always possible with
this thing, and that is not what I want to find out!

Emily
Nicky - 01 Aug 2007 18:57 GMT
>That word "control" just annoys me.  Makes me feel like a failure when I'm
>doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
>still isn't working.

I hear what you're saying - but what else would you suggest?

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6%  BMI 25
Tim Shoppa - 01 Aug 2007 21:17 GMT
> >That word "control" just annoys me.  Makes me feel like a failure when I'm
> >doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
> >still isn't working.
>
> I hear what you're saying - but what else would you suggest?

For me, the solution is to just keep on trying. And knowing that I'll
still get "out of control" numbers sometimes. If I focus on one bad
number, or a whole day's worth of bad numbers, or a whole week's worth
of bad numbers, yes like Julie I feel awful. But taken in context I
don't feel so bad.

I also look at how the goalposts have become narrower and narrower and
narrower in the past 25 years. Heck, 25 years ago my goal had nothing
to do with bg's, it was not getting too many dark stripes on the urine
test strips.

Once I start feeling bad about bg numbers that aren't in somebody's
definition of control, I have to make a very real effort to not focus
on the bad numbers meaning I'm a failure, but instead focus on using
the numbers as a tool to make things right.

As a teenager (yes, decades ago!) I sometimes felt so bad about the
bad bg numbers that I just didn't test. Most of the pressure about the
"bad" numbers was self-imposed.

Tim.
Julie Bove - 01 Aug 2007 23:33 GMT
>>That word "control" just annoys me.  Makes me feel like a failure when I'm
>>doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
>>still isn't working.
>
> I hear what you're saying - but what else would you suggest?

I don't know.
Tim Shoppa - 01 Aug 2007 21:05 GMT
> That word "control" just annoys me.  Makes me feel like a failure when I'm
> doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
> still isn't working.

For me, an essential part of the condition is that despite all the
work I do, sometimes it just goes out of control (either high or low)
with no apparent rhyme or reason.

If I really could "control" it all the time, I'd consider myself 99%
cured.

You will note that a couple of times in the past year I've looked at
my bg numbers for a week or two straight and all the numbers are in my
goal for "control", and I was so proud of that achievement that I
posted here. You can safely assume that for the other weeks of the
past year, not all of them were in the goal range. Sometimes when
things are bad more than half are out of my goal range. And my goal
range is so incredibly broad (say, 60-140 preprandial) that most here
would consider it insufficient control.

Tim.
guys@consolidated.net - 01 Aug 2007 22:10 GMT
>> That word "control" just annoys me.  Makes me feel like a failure when I'm
>> doing all that's within my power to keep my BG where it should be and it
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>Tim.

From what I see you are doing a good job.  You are looking for more
information.  That is the most important thing.

Read here for the collective knowledge but you need
a good filter.  

Testing is your only window to see what is going on.

A true T! will get into trouble quickly without eternal insulin

You must understand Your case and pick the proper route.
It may require a capable  Endo.

Arguments or inflated demands are not for your benefit but to just
be on.  But a few here can be very helpful.

I sure needed these groups in the 1980's .   That
was almost 60 years after the CANADIAN discovery.

You are lucky but we have a long way to go.

                            Guy


 
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