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Wingmask - 30 Jul 2007 02:35 GMT
When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
doctors treatment.
When someone has type 2 diabetes, they are told to obey the advice
here and ignore their
doctor's advice.
Ozgirl - 30 Jul 2007 03:09 GMT
> When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
> doctors treatment.
> When someone has type 2 diabetes, they are told to obey the advice
> here and ignore their
> doctor's advice.

Diabetes is one of the few diseases where one can afford a bit of leeway
regarding treatment. Cancer treatment is more cut and dried. I would put
most of my faith in oncologists in that case.
Will, T2 - 30 Jul 2007 15:24 GMT
> Diabetes is one of the few diseases where one can afford a bit of leeway
> regarding treatment. Cancer treatment is more cut and dried. I would put
> most of my faith in oncologists in that case.

And even some oncologists are better and more in touch with advances in
medical knowledge than others.

Will, T2
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>> Diabetes is one of the few diseases where one can afford a bit of leeway
>> regarding treatment. Cancer treatment is more cut and dried. I would put
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>
>Will, T2

Absolutely true on all counts.

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Alan S - 30 Jul 2007 03:45 GMT
>When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
>doctors treatment.
>When someone has type 2 diabetes, they are told to obey the advice
>here and ignore their
>doctor's advice.

Why is it you don't check your basic premises?

A while reading any cancer list or group would show you that
isn't the case at all, especially when dealing with
incurable chronic cancers. I am on a cancer list as a
manager and read it daily. Sometimes a difficult and sad
duty.

There is as much confusion, uncertainty and disagreement
among doctors, researchers and patients about many cancers
as there is about diabetes. That is to be expected with any
condition still in the early stages of understanding.

The main difference is that diet plays a less immediate part
in daily management of cancer - although it still plays a
part in long-term management of many cancers. But, as in
diabetes, the correct diet is often a matter of dispute.

And nobody here is told to do anything; suggestions and
experiences are offered, not ultimatums. Even if they were,
readers will do whatever they wish.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Cheri - 30 Jul 2007 03:55 GMT
Wingmask wrote in message
<1185759321.912584.166110@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com>...
>When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
>doctors treatment.
>When someone has type 2 diabetes, they are told to obey the advice
>here and ignore their
>doctor's advice.

They don't always adhere to the doctors treatment for cancer either.
Also, if oncologists were giving the terrible advice for cancer
treatment, as some doctors are giving for diabetes, they would largely
be ignored as well. :-)

Cheri
mmorley85@gmail.com - 30 Jul 2007 15:29 GMT
> When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
> doctors treatment.
> When someone has type 2 diabetes, they are told to obey the advice
> here and ignore their
> doctor's advice.

One of the main reasons is that (at least type 2) is one of those tha
diseasest can be controlled largely by lifestyle (what you eat and
your activity level). Most GP's have at most 6 weeks of nutrition
training. They don't know about the contections between what we eat
and how we feel. Some of them if they do know don't acknowledge it
like they should.

For example, and forgive me if I have mentioned this before, My
cholesterol was very high and the first thing my doc told me was to
get on Lipitor. Now having done my own research I told him to hold off
on that and let me try to cut way back on my dairy and red meat and
eat more grains, fruits and veggies. As Cholesterol is ONLY found in
the animal kingdom I thought that if I stopped taking in too much of
it that would help if not not solve the problem. 5 months later,
surprise surprise, problem WAS solved! Why did my doctor push Lipitor
in my face first without even bothering to ask me what I was eating?
Because cutting back on the meat and dairy would have cut into the
money he was getting for prescribing Lipitor.

IMO a combo of medicine and alternative methods is the best way to go.
Frank t2 - 30 Jul 2007 15:32 GMT
... and constant, regular, non-violent exercise.

<mmorley85@gmail.com> a écrit ...
>> When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
>> doctors treatment.
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> IMO a combo of medicine and alternative methods is the best way to go.
Loretta Eisenberg - 30 Jul 2007 19:30 GMT
Wingy, we never say take our advice over yur doctors unless we feel that
they are absolutely wrong and then we send people to seek a different
doctor for another opinion .

Loretta
Wingmask - 31 Jul 2007 04:04 GMT
On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
wrote:
> Wingy, we never say take our advice over yur doctors unless we feel that
> they are absolutely wrong and then we send people to seek a different
> doctor for another opinion .
>
> Loretta

I've read the posts. No matter what some blogs and posts
say...physicians and researchers
know diabetes more than anyone here. Conversely, each person here
would not question or
second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I wonder why
that is.
Cheri - 31 Jul 2007 04:26 GMT
Wingmask wrote in message
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>On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
>wrote:
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>second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I wonder why
>that is.

And, I told you I would, if I knew he was giving me the same kind of
bad advice as a few of the diabetes doctors have. My doctor doesn't
know more about *my* diabetes than I do, but yours may be giving you
that bad advice because he/she is probably tired of you running carts
into their cars.

Cheri
bj - 31 Jul 2007 06:43 GMT
> Wingmask wrote in message
> <1185851048.717426.143550@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com>...
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>> question or second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I
>> wonder why that is.

> And, I told you I would, if I knew he was giving me the same kind of
> bad advice as a few of the diabetes doctors have. My doctor doesn't
> know more about *my* diabetes than I do, but yours may be giving you
> that bad advice because he/she is probably tired of you running carts
> into their cars.

Well, I actuallly *did* "second guess" the doctor who treated me for cancer.
I learned things on-line and through support groups (both live & on-line)
that led me to believe that he was not as thorough as I wanted. He didn't
give me the "wrong treatment" -- but he didn't propose the most thorough
(strictest) followup, and was far too confident that I was "cured" months
before any testing could show whether or not or to what extent the treatment
had been successful.

So I changed doctors and I'm very glad I did. Not because I've had a
recurrence (so far) but because I have confidence that my current doctor
will be checking carefully & if anything does show up it'll be caught sooner
rather than later.
bj
Wingmask - 31 Jul 2007 18:20 GMT
> Wingmask wrote in message
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> - Show quoted text -

I am 2 years diabetic. I am smart enough to realize that I do
not know more than any diabetes researcher or my family
physician about type 2 diabetes.
Wingmask - 01 Aug 2007 02:13 GMT
> Wingmask wrote in message
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> - Show quoted text -

That was a good zinger Cheri.
KC - 31 Jul 2007 07:45 GMT
> On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> wrote:
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> second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I wonder why
> that is.

I think it's best that so many people open their mouths here and talk about
what they think is best and why.  The people reading can use their own
brains to figure out if they want to take the advice here or not.  The
advice here gives people other options with what doctors are recommending.

KC
Wingmask - 31 Jul 2007 18:16 GMT
> > On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> > wrote:
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>
> KC

Kalostokopocky.
Wingmask - 01 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
> > On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> > wrote:
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>
> KC

I'm still incredibly accurate. I'll bet my posts don't make the blogs
here.
Chris Malcolm - 31 Jul 2007 09:41 GMT
> On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> wrote:
>> Wingy, we never say take our advice over yur doctors unless we feel that
>> they are absolutely wrong and then we send people to seek a different
>> doctor for another opinion .

> I've read the posts. No matter what some blogs and posts
> say...physicians and researchers
> know diabetes more than anyone here. Conversely, each person here
> would not question or
> second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I wonder why
> that is.

If you think knowing about something is unidimensional you don't know
much about it :-)

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Alan S - 31 Jul 2007 10:31 GMT
>On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
>wrote:
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>second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I wonder why
>that is.

I question my hamotologidt/oncolgist in detail. He's my
second haemo. The first one didn't give all the right
answers:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
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percy - 31 Jul 2007 13:44 GMT
> On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> wrote:
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> second-guess a doctor that was treating them for cancer. I wonder why
> that is.

Bullshit.
Wingmask - 31 Jul 2007 18:13 GMT
> > On Jul 30, 2:30 pm, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
> > wrote:
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yada yada yada
Loretta Eisenberg - 31 Jul 2007 15:09 GMT
Wing being a thirteen year survivor of breast cancer, I dont agree that
we liste3n to every word that a cancer doctor tells us.  I had to be a
part of my medical team and I had to make the  big decisions based on
their suggestions.  After great thought I felt they were right and did
what they say.  I just didnt agree with them willy nilly

We have no control over cancer,  Diabetes is very controllable and
people are telling you their experiences.  You glean from it what you
want and in the final analysis you decide what you want.

These are opinions,  not statements of fact unless there are cites
showing proof.

Loretta
Wingmask - 31 Jul 2007 18:12 GMT
On Jul 31, 10:09 am, sassybklynl...@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg)
wrote:
> Wing being a thirteen year survivor of breast cancer, I dont agree that
> we liste3n to every word that a cancer doctor tells us.  I had to be a
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>
> Loretta

First, I am very glad you beat breast cancer. However, I know for
certain
you would adhere closely to your doc's words and treatment and ignore
internet posts if you had that same scenario today. By those numbers,
you
beat it. I congratulate you.
KC - 31 Jul 2007 07:34 GMT
I think that I would go out seeking all knowlege that I could about any
disease I was diagnosed with, and wouldn't necessarily just do what the
doctor prescribed.

I, luckily, have not had cancer, so I don't know much about it, but I would
be willing to tell someone that I thought their doctor was not recommending
the best for them if that was what I thought based on research.

KC

> When someone has cancer, that person is told to strictly adhere to the
> doctors treatment.
> When someone has type 2 diabetes, they are told to obey the advice
> here and ignore their
> doctor's advice.
Larry - 03 Aug 2007 02:52 GMT
> I think that I would go out seeking all knowlege that I could about any
> disease I was diagnosed with, and wouldn't necessarily just do what the
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Wingmask: Too many Docs don't know their diabetes drugs. They will
choose upping the dose on the "wrong" drug rather than trying a new
drug to better control bg levels. An example would be upping the dose
of Actos  (not working at all at low dose) rather than deciding to
introduce a sulfonylureal drug instead. Doc know enough about diabetes
to get by but may not know pharmacology well enough (eg. majored in
Political Science in under graduate studies  ;-). Select your Primary
carefully..

Larry
Wingmask - 03 Aug 2007 03:31 GMT
> > I think that I would go out seeking all knowlege that I could about any
> > disease I was diagnosed with, and wouldn't necessarily just do what the
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>
> - Show quoted text -

It does not matter.
 
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