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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / June 2007Ping Eskimo Joe
Hi, Joe. I thought I recognized your posting style. I can't place your other persona though. I'm not that great at keeping track of peoples' patterns the way some folks in here are. You said something about having found a way at knocking back the gastroparesis. I'd be interested in how you did that. I myself don't suffer from it, but since I thought it was a rather permanent condition, I would be interested in learning how you beat back the beast. You probably don't recognise me at all because I tend to lurk more than post. Nice to see you. Ruffling feathers here and there and appearing to enjoy it. Personally I would like to hear the family joke about an ice inferno. That is if you find us worthy. Laura >Personally I would like to hear the family joke about an ice inferno. >That is if you find us worthy. > >Laura Me, too... Will, T2 > Hi, Joe. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Personally I would like to hear the family joke about an ice inferno. > That is if you find us worthy. I have it. It's not necessarily a permanent condition. Depends on the cause. Many people get it following chemotherapy and for those folks it can be a temporary thing. Also for some of us, it comes and goes. I have it and for the most part, I find if I follow the gastroparesis diet it generally isn't bothersome. That's small amounts of easily digestible foods. Liquids, soft foods, white rice, white bread, pasta, ground beef, fish, chicken, etc. Easy on the vegetables and fruits. Of course that's also one of the worst diets for a diabetic so you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. >> Hi, Joe. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > cause. Many people get it following chemotherapy and for those folks it can > be a temporary thing. Also for some of us, it comes and goes. I also got it following chemo but it didn't stop when the chemo did. My diabetes got rapidly worse with the cancer treatment, and even after managing to get myself into remission it remained. Until, as described in a post prior to this, I discovered a beneficial side effect to using an EMS device. > I have it and for the most part, I find if I follow the gastroparesis diet > it generally isn't bothersome. That's small amounts of easily digestible > foods. Liquids, soft foods, white rice, white bread, pasta, ground beef, > fish, chicken, etc. Easy on the vegetables and fruits. Of course that's > also one of the worst diets for a diabetic so you're damned if you do, > damned if you don't. I lived on beef or chicken broths bulked with shredded cabbage, celery, mushrooms, and onion for a while until I got it sorted. Lost a huge amount of weight. Eskimo Joe >>> Hi, Joe. <snippage >>> You said something about having found a way at knocking back the >>> gastroparesis. I'd be interested in how you did that. I myself don't >>> suffer from it, but since I thought it was a rather permanent >>> condition, I would be interested in learning how you beat back the >>> beast. <snippage> >>> Personally I would like to hear the family joke about an ice inferno. >>> That is if you find us worthy. >> >> I have it. It's not necessarily a permanent condition. Depends on the >> cause. Many people get it following chemotherapy and for those folks it can >> be a temporary thing. Also for some of us, it comes and goes. Julie, I hope that you find some relief from the gastroparesis and all the other things you deal with. It must be extremely frustrating for you to have so much to juggle just to find something to eat. >I also got it following chemo but it didn't stop when the chemo did. My >diabetes got rapidly worse with the cancer treatment, and even after [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Eskimo Joe Sounds like you got forced into the Cabbage Soup diet. I must have missed something in a prior post. What is the EMS device you're talking about? I'm glad to hear that you've survived the chemo and everything else and manage to maintain such good control. I'm sure it has not been easy. Laura > Julie, I hope that you find some relief from the gastroparesis and all > the other things you deal with. It must be extremely frustrating for > you to have so much to juggle just to find something to eat. I have a limited diet but it's better than it was. <snip> > I lived on beef or chicken broths bulked with shredded cabbage, celery, > mushrooms, and onion for a while until I got it sorted. Lost a huge amount > of weight. I can't do cabbage. >> I lived on beef or chicken broths bulked with shredded cabbage, celery, >> mushrooms, and onion for a while until I got it sorted. Lost a huge amount >> of weight. > > I can't do cabbage. Nor can I any more :) At least not unless I have absolutely no other option. Eskimo Joe Can you do ANY of the brassicas ? Brussels sprouts, swedes, turnips, turnips, cauliflower, broccoli ? They are ALL of excellent value for your system. M wife, from the east of Europe, makes cabbage soup or chicken soup (oftgen can't tell the difference until you discover a piece of chicken) and they are delicious (really!) Only trouble is, for me, they make me empty me system after a few hours and any notion of satiety is gone and I ahve to start again on feeding my personal tape worm ... <g> "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> a écrit ... >> I lived on beef or chicken broths bulked with shredded cabbage, celery, >> mushrooms, and onion for a while until I got it sorted. Lost a huge >> amount of weight. > > I can't do cabbage. >I lived on beef or chicken broths bulked with shredded cabbage, celery, >mushrooms, and onion for a while until I got it sorted. Lost a huge amount >of weight. > >Eskimo Joe I might go on a soup diet. That sounds good. > Hi, Joe. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > condition, I would be interested in learning how you beat back the > beast. Hi Laura. It was an accidental discovery initially, but one that I took full advantage of once I realised what was happening. I was unable to exercise for a while due to complications unrelated to diabetes or neuropathy so I purchased a good quality EMS machine (Electronic Muscle Stimulator) and used it on my arms, upper legs, chest and abdomen several times a day to help lower BGL. When used on the abdomen I discovered that it took the place of the normal muscle contractions that aid digestion and are hampered by gastroparesis. I ended up with good ab muscle workout (but nowhere near as good as weights and crunches) and digested food as a bonus. Clumsy method but it works, and if you have ever experienced gastroparesis with it's "stomach full of cement" gut ache and bloat, even with the clumsiness and routine it is a godsend. I now have an EMS smaller than a cigarette pack that can be clipped to a belt or carried in a pocket even with the electrodes attached, so if necessary it could be used discreetly in public. Once I got my levels permanently down, the gastroparesis ceased to be a problem. Neuropathy is perhaps not reversible, but as it is only at its worst when BGL is high, achieving a permanently low BGL (low even for a non-diabetic in my case) it is effectively symptomless. > You probably don't recognise me at all because I tend to lurk more > than post. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Personally I would like to hear the family joke about an ice inferno. > That is if you find us worthy. It was to do with a grandchild who put his toy igloo on top of a ceramic cooktop and accidentally turned the hotplate on as he did so. The first the family was aware of a problem was him screaming Help! Come quick, come quick, my igloo is on fire. We all cracked up laughing. That coupled with my penchant for surfing in wintertime which had already earned me an "Eskimo" sobriquet was the basis for the nick. Nothing terribly exciting, just as I said, a family joke. Eskimo Joe >> Hi, Joe. >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Eskimo Joe Thanks for sharing the story . (I'm sure it was exciting enough for the grandchild!) I love to hear stories like that. And thank you also for explaining EMS. All I could come up with was Emergency Medical Service. And some how I doubted that you had your own personal paramedic. The basic premise of stimulating the abdominal muscles actually makes sense to me. A jumpstart for the muscles since the nerves don't seem to fire on their own. I'm lucky in that I don't suffer from what is apparently a miserable condition. Maybe some of the folks here who do have it might be able to use the idea. Laura >> Hi, Joe. >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Eskimo Joe Hi "Joe" wb. Nice to see you again:-) Took me a while to click. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: The Tropical North http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Jennifer's Story >>> Hi, Joe. >>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Took me a while to click. Hi Alan Figured you would twig. I will be back up north in a few weeks, have been in southern climes for a couple of years, playing "Granddad" with my middle daughter's children. She is located close to RNS. My "other" problem, somewhat similar to yours, has been an issue for a year or two. Lots of surgery and lots of therapy. I think that I am past the worst of it now. What nick did I post under before? I read and respond to so many NGs that I can't remember and I must have had the no archive bit set as I can't seem to Google myself. At least not under any names I can think likely. What has happened to Jennifer - surprising to see her gone? Or is just on a hiatus? Eskimo Joe >> Hi "Joe" >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Eskimo Joe Hi Joe You used, I believe, J David Anderson You used x-no archive, although much is still there when others answered you. Jennifer is on a sabbatical; temporary we hope. Don't forget to drop in as you pass by heading North. Sorry to hear about the other problems, I was hoping that was in your past. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Up to Kuranda by train http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Jennifer's Story >>> Hi "Joe" >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > You used x-no archive, although much is still there when > others answered you. Thanks Alan, I remember now. That was going back a while, I think that in those days I was posting from a Windows box using Agent. I would have had the archive bit set. Funny, that was a free hotmail account, unused for years and I just checked it to be greeted with. "We have reserved an account for you, complete etc... to sign in." Just Googled that name and I made a few posts here last year it seems, I thought that the last time I dropped in I used a different nick. Apparently not. I was still right in the throes of major surgery and chemo then, so I suppose that my memory was a little fuzzy. > Jennifer is on a sabbatical; I was surprised not to see posts from her. temporary we hope. Don't forget > to drop in as you pass by heading North. I'll do that, thanks for the invite. Have you got Skype? > Sorry to hear about the other problems, I was hoping that > was in your past. It was, and then a secondary developed that they missed until it was at a dangerous stage. It multiplied rapidly and with QLD medical system problems the way they were, (courtesy of the "Media Tart") I moved to Sydney and the RNS for surgery and treatment. They did the tests and told me to go home and put my affairs in order. Just as well that I am such a stubborn person. I had to prove them wrong. I did. :) I think that it is pretty well in control now, just the usual, get over the side effects of the treatment routine. Back working again (writing & IT) and getting better every day. Still skinny though. If I was to put my photo up on the gallery I doubt that you would recognise me. Eskimo Joe (David) >I think that it is pretty well in control now, just the usual, get over the >side effects of the treatment routine. Back working again (writing & IT) >and getting better every day. Still skinny though. If I was to put my photo >up on the gallery I doubt that you would recognise me. > >Eskimo Joe (David) I thought I recognized your style, also, Joe (David). Now, I remember those posts of yours a year or so back, although I was not here before May, 2005. I am glad you are back with us. Sorry to hear about your health difficulties. Glad you are doing better. Will, T2 And J David, was the first one to point out that there was a poster here using multiple identities. Boy, were you right. LOL Cheri Help! My igloo's on FIRE! wrote in message <11io76.cvf.17.1@news.alt.net>... >> Hi Joe >> >> You used, I believe, J David Anderson >> >> You used x-no archive, although much is still there when >> others answered you. >It was, and then a secondary developed that they missed until it was at a >dangerous stage. It multiplied rapidly and with QLD medical system problems >the way they were, (courtesy of the "Media Tart") I moved to Sydney and the >RNS for surgery and treatment. They did the tests and told me to go home >and put my affairs in order. Just as well that I am such a stubborn person. >I had to prove them wrong. I did. :) Blimey! That sounds like the Chinese curse of "interesting times" - glad you're recovering so well. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 >> Hi Joe >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > >Eskimo Joe (David) Hi ...not sure who to address now:-) Of course you can drop in - just let us know in advance because we have a few other friends and relatives saying g'day over the next few weeks. I haven't got Skype yet; I'm about to change ISP sometime soon so I hope to get it after that. I haven't kept up with Qld politics, despite being just over the border. Our own mob are bad enough:-) On the other hand, I complain less about our own flawed system after reading of the alternatives in other places. But that doesn't mean improvements aren't necessary. Sorry to hear of the problem, glad it appears to be improving. Stubborn? You? I'd never have guessed...:-) I've added a few pounds so I'm back in reduction mode; photo is still pretty accurate. But you're probably right, I may not recognise you as it's been a while. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltraveloz.blogspot.com/ latest: Up to Kuranda by train http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Slovenia http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ latest: Jennifer's Story >> You said something about having found a way at knocking back the >> gastroparesis. I'd be interested in how you did that. I myself don't >> suffer from it, but since I thought it was a rather permanent >> condition, I would be interested in learning how you beat back the >> beast. > Hi Laura. > It was an accidental discovery initially, but one that I took full > advantage of once I realised what was happening. > I was unable to exercise for a while due to complications unrelated to > diabetes or neuropathy so I purchased a good quality EMS machine [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > experienced gastroparesis with it's "stomach full of cement" gut ache and > bloat, even with the clumsiness and routine it is a godsend. I haven't suffered from gastroparesis, but I long ago discovered that if I was ill and stopped moving around much for more than a week, either because I was in bed, or just not feeling much like moving around, that my guts started signalling mild distress and discomfort in various ways. I more recently discovered on increasing my exercise levels that what I had regarded as my normal good gut functioning wasn't the best it could do. If I did at least an hour's walking at least twice a week my guts started feeling and performing a lot better. Instead of just feeling not bad they started feeling positively good. If my guts are feeling a bit under par then it takes a day or two after a long walk or two for them to recover. Cycling seems to work nearly as well as walking. My guess as to what is happening is that my guts need a regular amount of the mild jolting and mild massage of the belly muscle contractions of walking in order to function properly. Do you find that walking gives you the same benefits to gut function as your EMS machine?  SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>> You said something about having found a way at knocking back the >>> gastroparesis. I'd be interested in how you did that. I myself don't [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Do you find that walking gives you the same benefits to gut function > as your EMS machine? When I could walk it did, but at times that was not possible, recovery from surgery etc., plus the need for oxygen. When given steroids as a part of treatment it brought on high BGLs and the autonomic neuropathy. As well as the gastroparesis I had body temperature control issues and phrenic nerve involvement shutting down one lung on occasion and necessitating oxygen. Neuropathy can affect all types of nerves, not just the peripheral and gastro areas, particularly when other drugs act as a "catalyst", so to speak. My diabetes was initiated by Prednisone treatment and unfortunately, I have had on occasion needed to go back on the steroids. This all started with a cancer diagnosis in the same time frame as rather severe motorcycle accident that required extensive bone surgery and Prednisone to control swelling and inflammation of damaged and rebuilt joints. I got pretty high speed mobile in a manual wheelchair for a while. I was offered an electric one but refused, preferring the exercise benefits of a manual one. I used to terrorise shopping malls. Didn't have the same effect on digestion as walking though. Walking as an aid to aid digestion has been recommended for centuries, many used to "walk off" a large meal according to old literature. Google the phrase "take a digestive walk/stroll". Eskimo Joe >That coupled with my penchant for surfing in wintertime which had already >earned me an "Eskimo" sobriquet was the basis for the nick. Nothing >terribly exciting, just as I said, a family joke. Cool story though - poor kid : ) The EMS thing sounds like a good discovery. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25 |
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