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> The drug, Glaxo's No. 2 seller, has been used by some 6 million people
> in the United States alone.
I wonder how many, of those 6 million (those who had no previous history of
heart trouble) suffered heart problems after taking Avandia.
John
Kurt - 30 May 2007 18:26 GMT
On May 30, 1:37?am, "johnniemccoy@" <johnniemc...@NOSPAMhotmail.com>
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> I wonder how many, of those 6 million (those who had no previous history of
> heart trouble) suffered heart problems after taking Avandia.
Hopefully, it's not a matter of "time will tell." If I had taken
Avandia for any length of time I would want to be checked out
thoroughly.
Kurt
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> out following reports of the drug's risks, The New York Times reported
> on Saturday.
I don't see why they don't report interim results; they have
a few years worth of data. (My suspicion is they are not because
the results are bad--that the data show a higer risk of heart
problems...).

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Jonathan Grobe
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>the results are bad--that the data show a higer risk of heart
>problems...).
isn't there an ethical question when those doing the research want to
try and find a way to keep people on the medication, when 1. those
people do not want the med because they don't trust it and 2. because
there is a question as to it's safety. People have the right to
refuse anything they do not want.

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Shawn Hirn - 31 May 2007 04:03 GMT
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> there is a question as to it's safety. People have the right to
> refuse anything they do not want.
Of course, and no one is denying that.
guys@consolidated.net - 31 May 2007 06:16 GMT
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>there is a question as to it's safety. People have the right to
>refuse anything they do not want.
A criteria that is thousands of years old is--- we use caution when
taking the advice of anyone with a vested interest. Is
accepted by our society that we do not allow anyone
to sell a dangerous product. The definition of
dangerous is set by an agency with no
personal interest in the company selling
a product.
Since diabetes has an enlarged base of
potential customers there is concern
over diabetic items. We have the
right to ban any product that is likely to
do harm or at least examine the
benefit/harm ratio.
An alternative is for some people in the selling companies take
responsibility or a drug they market. Then serve long jail terms
if they fail. There would be few few drugs.
Most individuals are unqualified and lack the resources to
evaluate most drugs.
Kurt - 30 May 2007 18:24 GMT
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> the results are bad--that the data show a higer risk of heart
> problems...).
I thought the same thing, Jonathan. Maybe they should be forced to
reveal the data they have collected so far. If it were positive, then
I bet they would have announced them already.
Kurt
redronin@juno.com - 30 May 2007 20:04 GMT
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> the results are bad--that the data show a higer risk of heart
> problems...).
I would guess that the data is somewhat ambiguous, but with a negative
trend. If it were unambiguously positive or negative, the company
would reveal it either to clear the drugs name or to ward off
lawsuits. Some key metrics may not have reached staistical
significance.
We do know that Avandia does cause fluid retention, therefore it
shouldnt' be given to people with congestive heart failure, and can
reduce bone density. My take at this point is that it probably does
increase cardio events by some %, but we don't know the risk level
for different subpopulations.
All drugs will have some side-effects and the TZDs in particular are
very powerful drugs with many possible actions. They do help with a1c
and may preserve beta-cell function. But possibly in the future,
Januvia etc, would become 2nd line therapy, replacing the TZDs.