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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / May 2007Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving
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If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >> >> http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5922277?nclick_check=1 > > you have to register to read the article. ============================================== Try this link... http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=6533764&nav=9qrx SignatureJohn Inzer Mâck©® wrote in message <8jgr43plk042decp9v2js6j3rpprjkdatq@4ax.com>... >you have to register to read the article. Here's the article: San Jose, CA A diabetic man who officials say suffered and insulin reaction and crashed his pickup into several cars was charged with driving under the influence for the fiery wreck that killed two people. John Mayfield 52, of Paso Robles flipped his truck on a freeway offramp in downtown San Jose on July 10, authorities said. The truck rammed into another vehicle carrying two 20-year-olds, Mary Bernstein and Robert Conway, who were stopped at the light. Both vehicles and two others nearby exploded into flames. Just before the crash, Mayfield had tested his blood sugar and, after learning it was high, injected insulin he bought at drugstore, according to the Highway Patrol report. The report states that he then became confused, and witnesses said he had been driving erratically. >> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >> >>http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5922277?nclick_check=1 > >you have to register to read the article. I didn't. It came right up when I clicked on the link http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5925676 -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of May 14, 2007 is 3,400. United Kingdom = 148 Other = 126. How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego? Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it! As of May 17, 2007 it has been 1498 days, over FOUR YEARS, since Bush while standing in front of the banner which was sent to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well? Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis This sad story illustrates why hypoglycemia should be avoided... ... it remains unwise to administer insulin or take other medications that lower blood glucose when no meal is planned. My condolences to those who have been hurt by this tragedy including the diabetic. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > >> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving > >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair > Lewis On May 19, 1:30 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote: > This sad story illustrates why hypoglycemia should be avoided... > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Is it possible that there is decreased normal exposure/tansport of insulin extravascularily to target cells most of time, but sometime suddenly exposed normally resulting hypoglycemia--due to some condition? Means, can there be decreased exposure of insulin due to hyperglycemia/IR at most of time but sudden normal exposure in view of insulin big molecular size? If yes, whether it is studied or observed? How? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > suddenly exposed normally resulting hypoglycemia--due to some > condition? The condition here is not eating in a timely fashion after injecting insulin. May GOD bless you. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Pls reply following topic posted by me. Possibily, hyperglycemia only mediate hyperglycemia--a viscious cycle. Body may opt to decreased utilization of glucose by sending lesser insulin to target cells, unabling to avoid glucose's excess uptake and excretion. Decreased senstiveness to target cells of insulin, looks bit unclear but decreased exposure looks bit clear. Can water cause/medediate Hyperglycemia/Insulin resistance? http://groups.google.co.in/group/sci.med.cardiology/browse_thread/thread/01b8040 ad12e43d7/eb54676c1af47eea?hl=en#eb54676c1af47eea > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Can water cause/medediate Hyperglycemia/Insulin resistance? It doesn't. VAT is the cause of IR. Truth is simple. You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > VAT is the cause of IR. Whether swelled, lysed or hytrophyed cells encourge inflammatory/ immune responses? Can hypertrophy induce/encourage hyperplasia(as if swelled cells can't perform normal function so new cells are needed)? > Truth is simple. Mostly truth to getting IR may come out too simple. > You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love > unconditionally. Thanks for your kind heart. > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Whether swelled, lysed or hytrophyed cells encourge inflammatory/ > immune responses? No. > Can hypertrophy induce/encourage hyperplasia(as if swelled cells can't > perform normal function so new cells are needed)? Hypertrophied cell is not a swollen cell. > > Truth is simple. > Mostly truth to getting IR may come out too simple. Truth is absolute. > > You remain in my prayers, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love > > unconditionally. > Thanks for your kind heart. Thanks be to GOD, Who is the truth. "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen. Marana tha Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Hypertrophied cell is not a swollen cell. Yes, but can swollen cells due to hypotonic environment induce inflammatory or immune responses? Can such swollen cells either circulating in blood or of intimal lining cause decreased transcapillary movement of insulin to extravascular target tissues? > > > Truth is simple. > > Mostly truth to getting IR may come out too simple. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > - Show quoted text - To add:- "Some cell membranes, when exposed to increased tension, increase their area by incorporating new membrane material from a reservoir. Conversely, when the tension is sufficiently low, they may delete material from the membrane, and thus sometimes regain their original shape after, for example, osmotic contraction. One important consequence is the lysis of cells during cycles of osmotic contraction and expansion." Can above cause decreases transcapillary movement of insulin and encourage inflammatory and appoptotis responses for altered functioning or lysed cells, circulating or of vascular wall? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Yes, but can swollen cells due to hypotonic environment induce > inflammatory or immune responses? Not clinically observed. > Can such swollen cells either circulating in blood or of intimal > lining cause decreased transcapillary movement of insulin to > extravascular target tissues? Not clinically observed. Otoh, this is clinically observed: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp This Approach now comes with a million-dollar guarantee that simply drives satan and his puny sock-puppets crazy :-) May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have ever been in your life. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 21, 6:51 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Not clinically observed. Why not? Can't excess glucose change tonicity of blood? Probably, measurement of serium osmolarity is after cells volume altered ---i.e. without accounting changes in cell volumes. In ancient and older studies, much emphasis was given to water imbalances, hydrogenoid conditions, kapha, heat and moisture etc. > Otoh, this is clinically observed: > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp Can changes in VAT/SCAT/lipids cause changes in cell membranes? > This Approach now comes with a million-dollar guarantee that simply > drives satan and his puny sock-puppets crazy :-) [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > Why not? GOD's will. You remain in my prayers dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 22, 1:46 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > GOD's will. How it can be claimed for sure that, in insulin resistant hyperglycemia diabetics, insulin's transcapillary movement is normal? > You remain in my prayers dear neighbor Kumar whom I love > unconditionally. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > hyperglycemia diabetics, insulin's transcapillary movement is > normal? No such claim has been made. Your type-2 diabetes has not arisen from an impairment in how well insulin moves across you capillaries but from your being compelled to overeat because of satan's lie in your heart clouding all judgment and insight into your problem: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/891fbe3b18290e4f? May GOD open your eyes. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 23, 12:52 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > No such claim has been made. How insulin's transcapillary movement abnormality can be possible? > Your type-2 diabetes has not arisen from an impairment in how well > insulin moves across you capillaries but from your being compelled to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > On May 23, 12:52 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > - Show quoted text - "necrosis - a type of cell death in which cells swell and break open, release their contents and can damage neighboring cells and provoke inflammation." "apoptosis - programmed cell death, or "cell suicide"; a form of cell death in which a controlled sequence of events (or program) leads to the elimination of cells without releasing harmful substances into the surrounding area. Many types of cell damage can trigger apoptosis, and it also occurs normally during development of the nervous system and other parts of the body. Strictly speaking, the term apoptosis refers only to the structural changes cells go through, and programmed cell death refers to the complete underlying process, but the terms are often used synonymously. " We may try to understand systemic inflammation in diabetes2, either as above or by VAT? > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > How insulin's transcapillary movement abnormality can be possible? Endothelial cells are dysfunctional in folks with metabolic syndrome (MetS). > > Your type-2 diabetes has not arisen from an impairment in how well > > insulin moves across you capillaries but from your being compelled to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > May GOD open your eyes. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 24, 2:59 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: snip> > > > How it can be claimed for sure that, in insulin resistant > > > > hyperglycemia diabetics, insulin's transcapillary movement is > > > > normal? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Endothelial cells are dysfunctional in folks with metabolic syndrome > (MetS). I How they become dysfunctional? Is it chronic dysfunction or acute esp. in early stages? How can we consider endo. dysfunction as insulin resistance or dectreased senstivity of insulin or its decreased secretion? Even before and after getting endothelial dysfunction, can't endothelial cells swell or shrink due to altered tonicy or altered cell membranes? > > > Your type-2 diabetes has not arisen from an impairment in how well > > > insulin moves across you capillaries but from your being compelled to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > May GOD open your eyes. Trying from all point of views. > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I > How they become dysfunctional? They are damaged by the inflammatory process fueled by the cytokine cascade originating from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT). May GOD open your eyes. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 25, 4:02 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > They are damaged by the inflammatory process fueled by the cytokine > cascade originating from the visceral adipose tissue (VAT). Whether just upstream large vessels are damaged due to inflammatory process(athrosclerosis) or all vessels even capillaries and veins also got effected and damaged? Whether such damage induces necrosis and appoptitis? > May GOD open your eyes. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > process(athrosclerosis) or all vessels even capillaries and veins also > got effected and damaged? The effect is systemic. > Whether such damage induces necrosis and appoptitis? No. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > > May GOD open your eyes. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > - Show quoted text - On May 25, 1:26 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > No. What can decrease resist normal supply to tissues extravascularily esp. bigger molecules as insulin, swelled or shrinked cells of vascular inner lining or circulating? Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is hypotonic or hypertonic and cells are swelled or shrinked? You told about vascular inflammation related to decreased supply and arthritis? > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Does HE and HIS modifications only exists? > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > esp. bigger molecules as insulin, swelled or shrinked cells of > vascular inner lining or circulating? Insulin reaching the target organs, especially the liver, is not the rate-limiting step in the regulation of serum glucose levels. > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is > hypotonic or hypertonic and cells are swelled or shrinked? You told > about vascular inflammation related to decreased supply and arthritis? It remains wiser to lose the VAT upon understanding this is the pathological cause of type-2 diabetes. > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. > > Does HE and HIS modifications only exists? HE is the Author of all reality. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 25, 7:10 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Insulin reaching the target organs, especially the liver, is not the > rate-limiting step in the regulation of serum glucose levels. Pls make it more clear for me. At other places? > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It remains wiser to lose the VAT upon understanding this is the > pathological cause of type-2 diabetes. Yes, but still you can reply my questions? > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. > > > Does HE and HIS modifications only exists? > > HE is the Author of all reality. Author or source? > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Pls make it more clear for me. At other places? Your body has other organs besides the liver. > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yes, but still you can reply my questions? LORD Almighty GOD has made me able. HE is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. May HE bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than you have ever been in your life. > > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Author or source? The Author of reality is also the Source of reality. Truth is simple. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 25, 7:57 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Your body has other organs besides the liver. Actually your reply about rate limiting is not clear to me. > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LORD Almighty GOD has made me able. YES, than pls tell low ESR/Hct/osmolarity/hypervolamis/low tonicity effects on insulin's transcapillary movements, extravascularily. > HE is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined > with well-balanced diets"http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth- Hide quoted text - Hypergycemia can be a reason to hyperglycemia[can be hypoglycemia visicious circle also] --a visious circle, so decreasing diet/glucose intake to optimal sd be true annd so simple/ > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Actually your reply about rate limiting is not clear to me. This would be a basic concept in chemistry. > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > YES, than pls tell low ESR/Hct/osmolarity/hypervolamis/low tonicity > effects on insulin's transcapillary movements, extravascularily. No clinically observable effect. May GOD bless you. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 26, 10:41 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > How it can be claimed for sure that, in insulin resistant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hyperglycemia diabetics, insulin's transcapillary movement is [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > This would be a basic concept in chemistry. Sorry, but not clear to me. Pls make it simple for me. > > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > No clinically observable effect. Can hyperglycemia be a viscious circle i.e. hyperglycemia is the reason of hyperglycemia? Is it observed that when a previous persisten hyperglycemia loses water either by excecise(sweat), diahrrea, vomating, excessive urination etc., does his glucose level comes down? On hyperglycemia, a person may be losing or shifting potassium from ICF to ECF and may be compensating it by shift of sodium to ICF, how it can effect ICF environment? > May GOD bless you. >Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > > This would be a basic concept in chemistry. > Sorry, but not clear to me. Pls make it simple for me. This would be knowledge acquired by going to school and taking chemistry classes. > > > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > No clinically observable effect. > Can hyperglycemia be a viscious circle i.e. hyperglycemia is the > reason of hyperglycemia? Something being the reason for itself would not be a vicious cycle but would define the truth, Who is GOD. Hyperglycemia is not the reason for itself. Truth is simple. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 26, 10:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > >: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > This would be a basic concept in chemistry. > > Sorry, but not clear to me. Pls make it simple for me. > This would be knowledge acquired by going to school and taking > chemistry classes. How it is related to my questions? > > > > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Hyperglycemia is not the reason for itself. Hyperglycemia can effect tonicity of blood resulting cell size changes? It can cause K and Na shifts ICF to ECF and opoosite respectively influencing Intracellular environment. > Truth is simple. For IR,at early stages of functional changes, Truth may come out simple. Without eating optimal quantity, a viscious cycle of hyperglycemia mat set. It may be normal physiology, excessive uptake of glucose as a result of more insulin exposure due to its altered trascapallity movement is undesirable and unpleasent to body till structural degenerative changes are set? > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. Can't decreased exposure of insulin to target cells due to decreased transcapallity movement promote excessive hunger--hyperglycemia's vicious circle? > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > How it is related to my questions? If you understood the meaning of rate-limiting, you would understand that regulation occurs at the step of a process that is rate-limiting to focus on that step. > > > > > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > changes? It can cause K and Na shifts ICF to ECF and opoosite > respectively influencing Intracellular environment. Such are epiphenomenon. > > Truth is simple. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > trascapallity movement is undesirable and unpleasent to body till > structural degenerative changes are set? Overeating is not part of normal physiology. > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. > > Can't decreased exposure of insulin to target cells due to decreased > transcapallity movement promote excessive hunger--hyperglycemia's > vicious circle? No. There is no such thing as excessive hunger but rather an excessive reaction to hunger. May GOD open your eyes. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 27, 12:41 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > that regulation occurs at the step of a process that is rate-limiting > to focus on that step. My focus was not just liver but all target tissues extravasularily. > > > > > > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Such are epiphenomenon. Therefore I think hyperglycemia visicious circle. > > > Truth is simple. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Overeating is not part of normal physiology. Body mechanism trying to protect from such overeating can be a normal physiology. In case of persisting hyperglycemia, if body tries decreased uptake by cells by decreased insulin's exposure or by its decreased senstivity, it can be thought as normal physiology meant to excrete excess glucose. Such decreased uptake may also create an hunger. > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No. Suppose if reduced exposure or senstiveness of insulin is there, but not impaired production/secretion, and if that exposure/senstiveness become normal, than hypoglycemia and increased hunger can be thought due to more insulin's effectiveness exo/endo genious. Probably it might had happened in this case. > There is no such thing as excessive hunger but rather an excessive > reaction to hunger. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > My focus was not just liver but all target tissues extravasularily. Logically, that would be the opposite of focus. > > > > > > > > > > > Elevated ESR and lower Hct/RDW is bit indicative of persisting > > > > > > > > > > > hyperglycemia in diabetics2? Which tests can tell that blood is [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Therefore I think hyperglycemia visicious circle. Such would be a conclusion without any basis. > > > > Truth is simple. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Overeating is not part of normal physiology. > Body mechanism trying to protect from such overeating can be a normal > physiology. Insulin resistance would be a body mechanism of chastening someone for overeating because it renders a person more vulnerable to the damaging effects of overeating. > In case of persisting hyperglycemia, if body tries > decreased uptake by cells by decreased insulin's exposure or by its > decreased senstivity, it can be thought as normal physiology meant to > excrete excess glucose. Such decreased uptake may also create an > hunger. Actually, there is less hunger when there is dysfunction. May GOD open your eyes. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 27, 4:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > What can decrease resist normal supply to tissues extravascularily > > > > > > > > > > > > esp. bigger molecules as insulin, swelled or shrinked cells of [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Such would be a conclusion without any basis. Hyperglycemia, how much it can add water to blood and to circulation and of inimal lining cells? > > > > > Truth is simple. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > overeating because it renders a person more vulnerable to the damaging > effects of overeating. Therefore one overeating, can get its decreased usage/exposure? > > In case of persisting hyperglycemia, if body tries > > decreased uptake by cells by decreased insulin's exposure or by its [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Actually, there is less hunger when there is dysfunction. Inspite glycosuria diabetes still have increased hunger? > May GOD open your eyes. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > snip> [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Hyperglycemia, how much it can add water to blood and to circulation > and of inimal lining cells? Not to any clinically significant extent in folks that are at home reading this. > > > > > > Truth is simple. > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Therefore one overeating, can get its decreased usage/exposure? More pathology. > > > In case of persisting hyperglycemia, if body tries > > > decreased uptake by cells by decreased insulin's exposure or by its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Inspite glycosuria diabetes still have increased hunger? Someone stricken with diabetes is less hungry. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 27, 11:42 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > snip> [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > Not to any clinically significant extent in folks that are at home > reading this. thanks. > > > > > > > Truth is simple. > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks, we may try better understanding of decreased exposure of insulin apart from its decreased secretions and decreased senstiveness. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > insulin apart from its decreased secretions and decreased > senstiveness. It would be wiser for you to lose your VAT: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp This Approach now comes with a million-dollar guarantee: http://TruthRUS.org/Guarantee May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 28, 12:36 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > It would be wiser for you to lose your VAT: It is reducing hyperglycemia dependant also. Whether inflammatory cytokines relesed from vat increases capillary permeability by oxidative damage? > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > > It is reducing hyperglycemia dependant also. Eating less will reduce episodes of hyperglycemia for a type-2 diabetic and not the other way around. > Whether inflammatory cytokines relesed from vat increases capillary > permeability by oxidative damage? They start a cascade that lead to metabolic syndrome (MetS). May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth "Thus, transcapillary transport may be rate limiting for insulin action, and if altered, it could be an important component of insulin resistance in obesity and diabetes mellitus. This suggests that in these subjects there is a significant fraction of glycolysis that is not oxidized and that this component of carbohydrate metabolism therefore contributes to storage. We conclude that the major reason for interindividual variation in insulin requirements in type 2 diabetes is the variation in insulin action. Variation in hepatic fat content may influence insulin requirements via an effect on the sensitivity of endogenous glucose production to insulin. We hypothesize this single gateway to insulin action is transendothelial insulin transport, which we previously have shown to be rate limiting for insulin's effect on glucose uptake in vivo. http://lib.bioinfo.pl/meid:54127 " Few conclusions indicates decreased exposure. Btw how obesity can effect transendothelial insulin transport? On May 29, 2:39 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartdo...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 139 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Knowing how something happens is not as important as simply knowing the cause. It remains wise to lose the VAT, which you continue to relearn is the source of the inflammatory cytokines that fuel the cascade leading to the metabolic syndrome (MetS) that undergirds your medical problems especially the insulin resistance of your type-2 diabetes. You even know what is keeping you from doing that which is required for you to lose the VAT: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/891fbe3b18290e4f? May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > "Thus, transcapillary transport may be rate limiting for insulin > action, and if altered, it could be an important component of insulin [quoted text clipped - 151 lines] > > > > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. On May 29, 9:26 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > Knowing how something happens is not as important as simply knowing > the cause. By such, one can get otherwises in view of current understanding are not absolute and final on we are staking our life. > It remains wise to lose the VAT, which you continue to relearn is the > source of the inflammatory cytokines that fuel the cascade leading to > the metabolic syndrome (MetS) that undergirds your medical problems > especially the insulin resistance of your type-2 diabetes. How MeTs/IR happens due to such inflammatory cytokines? Does it cause decreased trancapillary movement of insulin or cause insestiveness or reduce insulin secreion? How? > You even know what is keeping you from doing that which is required > for you to lose the VAT: > > http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/891fbe3b18290e4f? Yes, losing vat or eating optimal or consuming more glucose, all should be valid and prime understandings. > May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. > [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > By such, one can get otherwises in view of current understanding are > not absolute and final on we are staking our life. Your life has not been yours to stake though you have been ruining it by overeating. "Woe to you who are well fed now..." (Luke 6:25) Suggested reading: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/22532ce141e762af? May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 30, 2:52 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Your life has not been yours to stake though you have been ruining it > by overeating. Means, God wants that I should continuue alike it. HE is the author of my such following, therefore I am respecting HIS will. Still, God is said to help those who help themselves & Free Will prevail over and above every will. > "Woe to you who are well fed now..." (Luke 6:25) > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined > with well-balanced diets."http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Means, God wants that I should continuue alike it. HE is the author of > my such following, therefore I am respecting HIS will. Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you do not know HIS will. > Still, God is said to help those who help themselves By someone who did not know GOD. GOD helps those whom HE chooses to help. Without GOD, noone can help themselves. > & Free Will > prevail over and above every will. Incorrect. GOD's will prevails over all other wills. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 30, 9:00 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you do not know HIS will. Whether Holy Sprit has independent entity and existed independantly and primarily? > > Still, God is said to help those who help themselves > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Without GOD, noone can help themselves. Why/how HE differnciate among different individuals inspite of HIS omnipresence? > > & Free Will > > prevail over and above every will. > > Incorrect. > > GOD's will prevails over all other wills. Who created natural principles? Three basic entities can be thought, prime force/s, its mediatot, secondary prime force? > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Three basic entities can be thought, prime force/s, its mediatot, > secondary prime force? GOD is the Author of all reality. HE is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. Without faith in LORD Jesus Christ, there can be no understanding of GOD: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way making you hungrier than ever. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On May 31, 3:44 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <heartd...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > HE is the Source of all knowledge and wisdom. Is HE "Prime Force"? > Without faith in LORD Jesus Christ, there can be no understanding of > GOD: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Is HE "Prime Force"? GOD is the Creator of all things seen and unseen. We killed HIS one and only begotten Son, LORD Jesus Christ. HE will rightfully destroy those whom HE has not forgiven. Here's how to be forgiven: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/TheWay Here's what it means to be forgiven: http://www.interviewwithgod.com/forgiven/ Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth Can i just ask... what is an insulin reaction??? and how do they know thats what caused the accident??? Dont they realise that if he only just had taken his short acting insulin and was considerably high, it would have taken a considerable amount of time for the sugar levels to drop! any diabetic who is on insulin is aware of the signs! I refuse to drive after having a high or low until I know I am over it and have stopped rebounding! My father saw a guy just stopped in the middle of the road holding up traffic, so he stopped and asked what was wrong! the guy looked at his blood tester and dad immediately knew he was a diabetic and was having a low, the poor guy was paralyzed from the low! so dad got him sugar and drove his car safely off the road for him... more people need education! there are add campaigns for asthma and depression, why not something as serious as diabetes! all anyone thinks of when diabetes comes up on tv, is hmmm those people are fat, lazy and dont eat right when the disease is far from that! I was a tiny 27kl when I was diagnosed, but ppl stil had the cheek to tell my mother that I got it cos I had a bad diet! common ppl! jen_vander...@hotmail.com wrote: > Can i just ask... what is an insulin reaction??? It is likely the reporter was referring to hypoglycemia. > and how do they know thats what caused the accident??? Likely by interviewing the involved parties. > Dont they realise that if he only > just had taken his short acting insulin and was considerably high, it > would have taken a considerable amount of time for the sugar levels to > drop! Not for someone who does not eat after injecting. > any diabetic who is on insulin is aware of the signs! I refuse > to drive after having a high or low until I know I am over it and have > stopped rebounding! You were not involved in the accident. > My father saw a guy just stopped in the middle of the road holding up > traffic, so he stopped and asked what was wrong! the guy looked at his [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > diagnosed, but ppl stil had the cheek to tell my mother that I got it > cos I had a bad diet! common ppl! While the most common form of diabetes, which is type-2, does arise from the accumulation of visceral adipose tissue (VAT) which comes from overeating, type-2 diabetes is indeed a different story. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth I am a Type 2 and on insulin. I am almost never aware that I am going hypo. Sometimes I just start sweating buckets other times not. For me there is no way to tell until it is too late for me to realize that I am low. People around me give me my glucose tablets & hang around until I "wake up". I have learned that my low is not necessarily your low. For me 75 on down is low for you it may be 65,60 or ??? for a hypo attack. No two people are the same. So you had better retract the "any diabetic is aware of the signs" comment. Oh yea, I don't drive. I have my license & will hang on to it for one reason, I can drive in an emergency. If I need to take some one to the hospital I can. I don't feel safe driving so I don't drive. Michele >Can i just ask... what is an insulin reaction??? and how do they know >thats what caused the accident??? Dont they realise that if he only [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >diagnosed, but ppl stil had the cheek to tell my mother that I got it >cos I had a bad diet! common ppl! > I am a Type 2 and on insulin. I am almost never aware that I am going > hypo. Sometimes I just start sweating buckets other times not. For me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > need to take some one to the hospital I can. I don't feel safe driving > so I don't drive. Michele, have you figured out why you are going low enough to cause symptoms? >> I am a Type 2 and on insulin. I am almost never aware that I am going >> hypo. Sometimes I just start sweating buckets other times not. For me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> need to take some one to the hospital I can. I don't feel safe driving >> so I don't drive. read up on hypo-unawareness. also take it to heart, when you start sweating, test your BG. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >I am a Type 2 and on insulin. I am almost never aware that I am going >hypo. Sometimes I just start sweating buckets other times not. For me [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Michele Michele is correct about hypos being unique for each person. But even if they weren't, there a lot of diabetics who simply do not take personal responsibility for their own safety, let alone the safety of others. But that is not limited to just diabetics. People in general are selfish idiots who tend to believe that things like driving is a right and not a privilege that can be revoked at any time. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving > > http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_5922277?nclick_check=1 Is this supposed to be a message to us? Somewhere around 150 people a week die in traffic accidents in the USA. It always ticks me off a little when the news makes a point out of one who is diabetic or alcohol related. Don't get me wrong. I'm against driving impaired for any reason but the majority of traffic deaths are from driving while stupid. >> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Don't get me wrong. I'm against driving impaired for any reason but the > majority of traffic deaths are from driving while stupid. Alcohol is linked to a *huge* number of traffic deaths and injuries, so I have no objection when the media links alcohol and traffic accidents. As far as I know, insulin-related is uncommon. It may be that insulin didn't even play a role in the accident mentioned in this article. MaryL >>> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > MaryL I think I need to re-word part of my response -- that is, officials say the driver suffered an insulin reaction and caused the accident. That is possible, but I also wonder if the officials simply made that assumption. MaryL >>> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >MaryL Are you aware that research has shown that drivers that are sleep deprived or even distracted by talking on a cell phone are just as dangerous as drunk divers? Believe me I am in favor of getting drunk drivers off the road. Even so I think the cops need to be stopping people who are distracted while driving and giving them a ticket. It isn't all that unusual for me to see a cop driving by our house talking on his or her cell phone just like anyone else. -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of May 14, 2007 is 3,400. United Kingdom = 148 Other = 126. How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego? Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it! As of May 17, 2007 it has been 1498 days, over FOUR YEARS, since Bush while standing in front of the banner which was sent to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well? Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis >>>> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > deprived or even distracted by talking on a cell phone are just as > dangerous as drunk divers? Absolutely! This view may not be very popular, but I think it should be illegal to drive while using a cell phone. -- MaryL > Believe me I am in favor of getting drunk drivers off the road. Even > so I think the cops need to be stopping people who are distracted > while driving and giving them a ticket. It isn't all that unusual for > me to see a cop driving by our house talking on his or her cell phone > just like anyone else. "MaryL" <stancole1@yahoo.comTAKE-OUT-THE-LITTER> wrote in message Someone else wrote: > > Are you aware that research has shown that drivers that are sleep > > deprived or even distracted by talking on a cell phone are just as > > dangerous as drunk divers? > Absolutely! This view may not be very popular, but I think it should be > illegal to drive while using a cell phone. It is illegal here in Oz (unless switched to hands free). The fine isn't huge though. Strangely eating a messy hamburger while driving isn't illegal :) Nor is dealing with noisy, naughty kids. That IMO is more dangerous ;) > This view may not be very popular, but I think it should be illegal to > drive while using a cell phone. In DC it is illegal to use a non-hands-free cell phone while driving. Someplace around here (I forget which other of the various jurisdictions) is considering making it illegal for teens to use *any* cell phone while driving. Enforcement, however, is quite another matter! DC does have a violation of <something like...> "failing to pay full time & attention", which can cover a lot of territory if you get in an accident & the cops want to charge you. (& don't try telling them "you can't do that!"....) bj >> This view may not be very popular, but I think it should be illegal to >> drive while using a cell phone. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > that!"....) > bj Theyve found that hands free is just as distracting as hands on. Jimmie >Theyve found that hands free is just as distracting as hands on. Howdy Jimmie, Yup, pretty much like talking to the person next to you (and looking at them while you are talking and driving), or worse, the expressive people that talk with their hands while talking and both hands are off the steering wheel. Screaming as kids and pets ranks right up there too I'd say. But unless someone is going to monitor every driver, be they using cold pills, insulin, yapping away on a phone or the people/animals in the car, "THEY" are never going to make enough laws or fines to cover everything that can be considered distracted driving. >> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >get me wrong. I'm against driving impaired for any reason but the majority >of traffic deaths are from driving while stupid. Years ago a the wife of my boss at the time was charged with driving while impaired after she had an accident. About a half hour before she had taken some cold pills that left her sleepy. She had pulled out from a stop sign into the path of another car. Fortunately no one was injured. She did have to pay a fine and she got a lecture from the judge. -- Grandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of May 14, 2007 is 3,400. United Kingdom = 148 Other = 126. How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego? Let us all pray for Bush - God knows he needs it! As of May 17, 2007 it has been 1498 days, over FOUR YEARS, since Bush while standing in front of the banner which was sent to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." IOW MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Isn't Bush's "surge" of troops working well? Pay attention to the frequency of American deaths since it began. "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis >> Officials: Diabetic killed two after taking insulin and driving >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >get me wrong. I'm against driving impaired for any reason but the majority >of traffic deaths are from driving while stupid. Yes the point is to us. because this is a situation that we can easily avoid. 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