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I just want to tell you about my lunch and how it works for me

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Loretta Eisenberg - 30 Apr 2007 22:26 GMT
Before lunch I was 102
I had chinese food for lunch

I ordered

won ton soup,  which I took home
to have for dinner

triple delight which is chicken , beef and shrimp  with carrots,
broccoli, peas, carrots with brown rice in a natural gravy,  took half
home

didnt eat any noodles

ate a quarter cup of pistachio ice cream

one hour after lunch I was 116

two hours later 85

This is how portion control works for me.  It may not be for everyone,

have enough left over for dinner

Loretta
Gene - 30 Apr 2007 22:58 GMT
sassybklynlady@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:6434-46365EFA-
927@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net:

> Before lunch I was 102
> I had chinese food for lunch
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>
> Loretta

Todays breakfast was wheat bread, canalope and water, My lunch was
chicken broth and dinner will be another wonderful air sandwich of wheat
bread and some grapes.

Same junk all last week and probably next too.

I could eat my cars bumper about now.



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Loretta Eisenberg - 01 May 2007 01:03 GMT
Gene, why dont I see protein on your list and also some other carbs.
Why is your diet so restrictive.  I would be eating my car bumpers if I
ate that diet.

Loretta
Gene - 01 May 2007 01:34 GMT
sassybklynlady@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:12939-463683DD-
1061@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net:

> Gene, why dont I see protein on your list and also some other carbs.
> Why is your diet so restrictive.  I would be eating my car bumpers if I
> ate that diet.
>
> Loretta

I go on this boring diet when my stomach goes on vacation.

I used to eat peanuts when this happened and it worked great for a year but
that eventually raised my uric acid levels way up so I found another way to
rest the digestive system a bit and that is this current diet.

My main problem is my stomach - it's trashed from years of great food and
terrific beverages along with the occasional unplanned landing.

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Alan S - 01 May 2007 01:50 GMT
>Todays breakfast was wheat bread, canalope and water, My lunch was
>chicken broth and dinner will be another wonderful air sandwich of wheat
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>I could eat my cars bumper about now.

Try these for some variety:
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/breakfasts.html


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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Gene - 01 May 2007 01:43 GMT
> http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2006/10/breakfasts.html

Thanks Alan.

It's my stomach that is dictating my meals these days not my meter.

And I know for a fact that water and air are ok so far but everything else
is suspect:)

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Julie Bove - 01 May 2007 03:46 GMT
> sassybklynlady@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in news:6434-46365EFA-

> Todays breakfast was wheat bread, canalope and water, My lunch was
> chicken broth and dinner will be another wonderful air sandwich of wheat
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I could eat my cars bumper about now.

Where's your veggies  And why no protein for breakfast?
Gene - 01 May 2007 02:31 GMT
>> sassybklynlady@webtv.net (Loretta Eisenberg) wrote in
>> news:6434-46365EFA-
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Where's your veggies  And why no protein for breakfast?

Stomach problems

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Julie Bove - 01 May 2007 04:51 GMT
> Stomach problems

I can relate but it would seem cantaloupe and grapes wouldn't be so great
for that!
Gene - 01 May 2007 07:10 GMT
>> Stomach problems
>
> I can relate but it would seem cantaloupe and grapes wouldn't be so
> great for that!

Julie, I have three doctors. Each is ok in their particular area. But each
seems unable to take into consideration  all of the issues when either
asking me to eat certain foods or take a medication so that is left to me.

So I go with what I know about myself as far as what to eat. I know meats
and veggies  really bother my stomach and bread seems to settle it. A
little fruit seems ok and I eat just a little. So that's what I'm doing for
now. I might experiment when I can. When my Bg is down below 90 I add a
little rice or grits.

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Susan - 30 Apr 2007 23:10 GMT
> Before lunch I was 102
> I had chinese food for lunch
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>
> have enough left over for dinner

Pistachio ice cream!  Love it, miss it.  Have it once a  year, cherry
pistachio when I can find it.  :-)

 Loretta, you use portion control and meds, not portion control alone,
right?

Susan
Loretta Eisenberg - 30 Apr 2007 23:50 GMT
Susan, absolutely meds,  Byetta and metformin so that is probably a
reason that portion control works well for me.  My pistachio ice cream
had nuts.  Thats the real one to me.

I believe it is the combo of the meds and portion control that keeps my
diabetes under control giving full credit to the meds.  Of course, a
person on meds, who doesnt watch what they eat, can still have high
numbers.

Loretta
Susan - 01 May 2007 00:17 GMT
> Susan, absolutely meds,  Byetta and metformin so that is probably a
> reason that portion control works well for me.  My pistachio ice cream
> had nuts.  Thats the real one to me.

I agree, and not the chopped peanuts cheap brand put in there, they have
to be real pistachios.  I love when large, dark frozen cherries are added.

> I believe it is the combo of the meds and portion control that keeps my
> diabetes under control giving full credit to the meds.  Of course, a
> person on meds, who doesnt watch what they eat, can still have high
> numbers.

Absolutely.

Susan
Will, T2 - 01 May 2007 01:39 GMT
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>
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>
>Susan

You ladies are really making me crave that pistachio ice cream! The
real deal is totally wonderful...

Will, T2
Alan S - 01 May 2007 03:58 GMT
>You ladies are really making me crave that pistachio ice cream! The
>real deal is totally wonderful...
>
>Will, T2

Then eat it. Just one moderate scoop, between meals, tastes
fabulous.  One slow lick at a time. Like forbidden fruit:-)

And with good portion control it won't mess up your BG
control.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic
Alan S - 01 May 2007 00:25 GMT
>Before lunch I was 102
>I had chinese food for lunch
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>
>Loretta

Nice numbers:-)

It's how it works for me too - except that the half you took
home would probably have gone to SWMBO.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic
Loretta Eisenberg - 01 May 2007 01:05 GMT
Alan what is SWAMBO whatever it was you wrote.

Loretta
Cheri - 01 May 2007 01:15 GMT
I'm not Alan, but it's She Who Must Be Obeyed. SWMBO. :-)

Cheri

Loretta Eisenberg wrote in message
<12939-4636843F-1063@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net>...
Alan what is SWAMBO whatever it was you wrote.

Loretta
Robert Miles - 01 May 2007 01:35 GMT
> I'm not Alan, but it's She Who Must Be Obeyed. SWMBO. :-)
>
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>
> Loretta

And not She Who Always Must Be Obeyed?
Alan S - 01 May 2007 01:58 GMT
>Alan what is SWAMBO whatever it was you wrote.
>
>Loretta

As Cheri noted - She Who Must Be Obeyed. You met her,
sitting across the table from you. She must have hidden the
whip and I've been trained to hide the shackless.

It comes from H Rider Haggard via Rumpole of the Bailey:-)
See http://tinyurl.com/ft8fs

I think she'd like this bit: "She had become ageless and
perfectly beautiful more than 2 millennia earlier by
immersing herself in a magic flame"


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
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latest: Athens and The Adriatic
Grandpa Chuck - 01 May 2007 00:26 GMT
>Before lunch I was 102
>I had chinese food for lunch
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Loretta

Sounds delicious and wonderful control too.
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Elizabeth Blake - 01 May 2007 02:50 GMT
> Before lunch I was 102
> I had chinese food for lunch

Last week I was really craving Chinese food, which I haven't had in awhile.
I think I've had it twice since I got my pump 2 years ago.  First time was
at my sister's and I messed up my extended bolus (not enough for not long
enough).  Second time was at home and I did much better and even had one of
the least diabetic friendly dishes, sweet & sour chicken.  I don't remember
how it went down but my numbers were decent for hours after & in the
morning.

So last week I went into the take out place by my apartment and happened to
see the back of the menu, which I usually ignore since it's mostly lunch
specials and I'm at work when those deals are good.  Besides the specials
there was a "diet" menu, which said all dishes were steamed and served
without sugar, oil etc.  I ordered the chicken & mixed vegetables and took
it home.  Discovered that they're not served with oil, sugar etc because
they're served with *nothing*.  Just the steamed meat & veggies.  I had a
bottle of light teriyaki sauce in my fridge so I dumped some on.  Measured
out 1/2 cup of rice (also forgot to ask for brown instead of white) and
poured the entire entree on top.  Then I dumped in the other 1/2 cup of
rice.  It was very good and I didn't have to worry about what was in the
sauce and what it would do to my BG.  It's the fat that gets me in those
sauces, not carbs.

I fell asleep after eating so wasn't able to test at 2 hours.  As a Type 1,
I don't test at  the1 hour mark.  My BG was 107 when I woke up some hours
later, and when I woke up for good in the morning it was 99.  Pre-meal was
79.  I calculated the meal at 118g of carbs.  I took out all the veggies and
weighed them to get the carb counts (broccoli, water chestnuts, baby corn,
carrots, maybe something else...).

I plan on doing this again and NOT falling asleep so I can test more
starting at 2 hours or so.  I do sometimes test at 90 minutes if I'm feeling
weird.  I also plan on getting brown rice and hopefull sticking to just 1/2
cup.

I was just happy to have Chinese food again and don't mind adding my own
sauces since I can control the fat, and don't have to worry about hidden
carbs.

--
Liz
Type 1 dx 4/1987
Minimed Paradigm 715 5/2005
Susan - 01 May 2007 02:59 GMT
> Last week I was really craving Chinese food, which I haven't had in awhile.
> I think I've had it twice since I got my pump 2 years ago.  First time was
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> sauces since I can control the fat, and don't have to worry about hidden
> carbs.

We eat Chinese food at least once a week or two.  We just skip rice,
noodles or anything battered and fried, order without corn starch, MSG
and added sugar.  I usually have a dish with beef, shrimp, chicken and
veggies and a very rich tasting brown sauce, my husband almost always
orders beef with broccoli.  I also order chicken with sauteed baby
eggplant a lot.

If someone orders mu shu, I'll eat it without the wrapper, if we get
dumplings, I eat the filling and not the dough.

Susan
Elizabeth Blake - 01 May 2007 03:16 GMT
> We eat Chinese food at least once a week or two.  We just skip rice,
> noodles or anything battered and fried, order without corn starch, MSG and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Susan

Mu shu... that's what I want next!  No way to order that from the diet menu,
though.  I eat the pancakes since they're so thin and I just have to account
for the carbs.  I also love dumplings but the place by home has those nasty
ones with really thick, doughy skins/shells so they're not even worth
ordering.  Even their wontons are way too thick.  Sweet & sour chicken is
the only dish I ever had from this place that I actually liked, but the
steamed diet selections will probably be my new favorites now.

--
Liz
Type 1 dx 4/1987
Minimed Paradigm 715 5/2005
Susan - 01 May 2007 04:28 GMT
> Mu shu... that's what I want next!  No way to order that from the diet menu,
> though.  I eat the pancakes since they're so thin and I just have to account
> for the carbs.  I also love dumplings but the place by home has those nasty
> ones with really thick, doughy skins/shells so they're not even worth
> ordering.

They are if you throw away the dough, the thick dough is very easy to
separate from the filling.

 Even their wontons are way too thick.  Sweet & sour chicken is
> the only dish I ever had from this place that I actually liked, but the
> steamed diet selections will probably be my new favorites now.

Won ton soup used to be what I ate when I was sick.  Now I get
unthickened hot and sour soup.  I'm type two, no meds, so I don't eat
any of the starch stuff, but there are a lot of excellent, low carb
friendly dishes I can order at any good Chinese restaurant.

Susan
Elizabeth Blake - 02 May 2007 06:09 GMT
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>
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>
> Susan

If you throw away the dough, you're not left with much filling.  Wouldn't be
economical at all.  I can see throwing away an egg roll shell and eating the
insides but since these dumplings are mostly dough, I'd probably end up with
just a couple tablespoons of filling from one order.  I'd rather just go to
a decent place and get the steamed dumplings with very thin skins.

--
Liz
Type 1 dx 4/1987
Minimed Paradigm 715 5/2005
Susan - 02 May 2007 15:25 GMT
> If you throw away the dough, you're not left with much filling.

The ones we get are large, and the filling is the size of a Swedish
meatball.

  Wouldn't be
> economical at all.

I get them for free with our dinner order.  The other free choices don't
give me the option of tossing the carbs away; it's won ton soup or
noodles in sesame sauce.

  Susan
Alan S - 01 May 2007 04:01 GMT
>I calculated the meal at 118g of carbs.

I respect the discipline of type 1's, and sympathise with
the struggle you've had since the day of diagnosis.

I rarely envy type 1's - but this is the moment. I cannot
remember the last time I had a meal over 50gms carb:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic
Elizabeth Blake - 02 May 2007 06:06 GMT
>>I calculated the meal at 118g of carbs.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
> Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

As much as I love carbs, 118 for one meal does seem a little high to me,
too.  I think the last time I went over 100g was for pizza last year.  Two
big NYC pizzeria slices.  I found some formula for taking fat & protein into
account and so the total carb count I put in my pump wasn't actually all
carbs.  I think I entered 200g and did a split bolus.  All of my readings
from the first post-dinner check through morning were in range.  I was
thrilled, but haven't felt the urge to repeat the experiment yet.

--
Liz
Type 1 dx 4/1987
Minimed Paradigm 715 5/2005
Alan S - 02 May 2007 06:12 GMT
>>>I calculated the meal at 118g of carbs.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>from the first post-dinner check through morning were in range.  I was
>thrilled, but haven't felt the urge to repeat the experiment yet.

Thanks for responding. I still envy you occasionally:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: Athens and The Adriatic
 
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