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Protagonist - 28 Apr 2007 11:23 GMT
My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
I should avoid any thing that has chlorine in it, not safe.

 Splenda

Description

Sucralose is the sugar sucrose with three of the hydroxyl groups
replaced by chlorine atoms. In the process, the stereochemistry of the
glucose half of the molecule is changed, making it more like galactose.
http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/sucralose.html
JS
shoppa@trailing-edge.com - 28 Apr 2007 11:31 GMT
> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
> I should avoid any thing that has chlorine in it, not safe.

I highly advise that you stay from DiHydrogen Monoxide, too. Here's
what the chemists have to say about it:

 Frequently Asked Questions About Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)
What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical
compound, also referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen
Hydroxide, Hydronium Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is
the unstable radical Hydroxide, the components of which are found in a
number of caustic, explosive and poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric
Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
For more detailed information, including precautions, disposal
procedures and storage requirements, refer to the Material Safety Data
Sheet (MSDS) for Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government
and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen
Monoxide as a toxic or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better
known chemicals such as hydrochloric acid and benzene), DHMO is a
constituent of many known toxic substances, diseases and disease-
causing agents, environmental hazards and can even be lethal to humans
in quantities as small as a thimbleful.

 Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner
concluded that roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on
dihydrogen monoxide. Although his results are preliminary, Zohner
believes people need to pay closer attention to the information
presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He adds that if more
people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he
conducted would not be necessary.

A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and
Matthew Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens
participating in their study were willing to sign a petition to
support an outright ban on the use of Dihydrogen Monoxide in the
United States.

Why haven't I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?
Good question. Historically, the dangers of DHMO, for the most part,
have been considered minor and manageable. While the more significant
dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are currently addressed by a number of
agencies including FDA, FEMA and CDC, public awareness of the real and
daily dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide is lower than some think it
should be. Critics of government often cite the fact that many
politicians and others in public office do not consider Dihydrogen
Monoxide to be a "politically beneficial" cause to get behind, and so
the public suffers from a lack of reliable information on just what
DHMO is and why they should be concerned.    Part of the blame lies
with the public and society at large. Many do not take the time to
understand Dihydrogen Monoxide, and what it means to their lives and
the lives of their families.

Unfortunately, the dangers of DHMO have increased as world population
has increased, a fact that the raw numbers and careful research both
bear out. Now more than ever, it is important to be aware of just what
the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are and how we can all reduce the
risks faced by ourselves and our families.

What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many
thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon
millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of
the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:   Death due to accidental
inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not
typically life-threatening side-effects.
DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
Contributes to soil erosion.
Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and
elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New
Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino
weather effect.

What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by
industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and
worldwide. Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

as an industrial solvent and coolant,
in nuclear power plants,
by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels,
by elite athletes to improve performance,
in the production of Styrofoam,
in biological and chemical weapons manufacture,
in the development of genetically engineering crops and animals,
as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant,
in so-called "family planning" or "reproductive health" clinics,
as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs,
as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air
conditioning compressor operation,
in cult rituals,
by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members'
families (although surprisingly, many members recently have contacted
DHMO.org to vehemently deny such use),
by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches,
by members of Congress who are under investigation for financial
corruption and inappropriate IM behavior,
by the clientele at a number of bath houses in New York City and San
Francisco,
historically, in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons
in Turkey, Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran,
in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for
various forms of torture,
during many recent religious and ethnic wars in the Middle East,
by many terrorist organizations including al Quaeda,
in community swimming pools to maintain chemical balance,
by software engineers, including those producing DICOM software SDKs,
in animal research laboratories, and
in pesticide production and distribution.
What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where
DHMO is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally
made part of public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our
family members and friends. Among these startling uses are: as an
additive to food products, including jarred baby food and baby
formula, and even in many soups, carbonated beverages and supposedly
"all-natural" fruit juices
in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals,
in spray-on oven cleaners,
in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom
products,
in bathtub bubble products marketed to children,
as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections,
in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors,
in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad,
in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula
One Racing Commission, and
as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.

One of the most surprising facts recently revealed about Dihydrogen
Monoxide contamination is in its use as a food and produce
"decontaminant." Studies have shown that even after careful washing,
food and produce that has been contaminated by DHMO remains tainted by
DHMO.
What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?
 A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of
violence in our country's schools, including infamous shootings in
high schools in Denver and Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved.
In fact, DHMO is often very available to students of all ages within
the assumed safe confines of school buildings. None of the school
administrators with which we spoke could say for certain how much of
the substance is in use within their very hallways.

How does Dihydrogen Monoxide toxicity affect kidney dialysis patients?
Unfortunately, DHMO overdose is not unheard of in patients undergoing
dialysis treatments for kidney failure. Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose
in these patients can result in congestive heart failure, pulmonary
edema and hypertension. In spite of the danger of accidental overdose
and the inherent toxicity of DHMO in large quantities for this group,
there is a portion of the dialysis treated population that continues
to use DHMO on a regular basis.
Are there groups that oppose a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide?
In spite of overwhelming evidence, there is one group in California
that opposes a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide. The Friends of Hydrogen
Hydroxide is a group that believes that the dangers of DHMO have been
exaggerated. Members claim that Dihydrogen Monoxide, or the less
emotionally charged and more chemically accurate term they advocate
for it, "Hydrogen Hydroxide," is beneficial, environmentally safe,
benign and naturally occurring. They argue that efforts to ban DHMO
are misguided.
Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is supported by the Scorched Earth
Party, a radical and loosely-organized California-based group. Sources
close to the Scorched Earth Party deny any outside funding from
government, industry or pro-industry PACs.

Has the press ignored this web site and the Dihydrogen Monoxide
problem?
For the most part, the press has not reported on the dangers of
Dihydrogen Monoxide as much as some would like. Although many private
individuals have put up web sites in a major grassroots effort to
spread the word, major publications have not.
Recently, attention has been paid to the subject thanks to an incident
in Aliso Viejo, California.  This so-called Aliso Viejo Incident was
widely reported in the media, although the director of DHMO.org, Dr.
Tom Way, was called a "prankster."  Once the Associated Press started
circulating the story, it became fact, and the valuable information
being provided by the DHMO.org website was deemed to be "rubbish"
rather than an honest and unbiased recounting of facts about a
dangerous, life-endangering chemical compound.

If you are a member of the press, you may access our online Press
Kit.  See the main page for access information.  This resource is for
members of the press only.

Is it true that using DHMO improves athletic performance?
Absolutely! With the numerous allegations of amateur and professional
athletes using anabolic steroids and/or blood doping to enhance
performance, virtually no attention has been paid to the performance
enhancing properties of Dihydrogen Monoxide. It is perhaps the
sporting world's dirtiest of dirty little secrets that athletes
regularly ingest large quantities of DHMO in an effort to gain a
competitive edge over an opponent.

One technique commonly used by endurance athletes in sports such as
distance running and cycling is to take a large amount of DHMO
immediately prior to a race. This is known within racing circles to
dramatically improve performance.

Sports-medicine physicians warn that ingesting too much Dihydrogen
Monoxide can lead to complications and unwanted side-effects, but do
acknowledge the link to improved performance. DHMO is not currently
considered a banned substance, so post-race urine tests do not detect
elevated or abnormal levels of DHMO.

Can using DHMO improve my marriage?
 This is a popular myth, but one which is also actually supported by
a number of scientific facts. Dihydrogen Monoxide plays an
instrumental role in the centers of the brain associated with feelings
of emotional attachment and love. Married couples have found that
regular ingestion of DHMO can improve their marriage-related
activities, while couples that never ingest DHMO often find that their
marriage suffers as well.

What are the symptoms of accidental Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose?
You may not always recognize that you have been a victim of accidental
DHMO overdose, so here are some signs and symptoms to look for. If you
suspect Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose, or if you exhibit any of these
symptoms, you should consult with your physician or medical
practitioner. The data presented here is provided for informational
purposes only, and should in no way be construed as medical advice of
any sort.   Watch for these symptoms:
Excessive sweating
Excessive urination
Bloated feeling
Nausea
Vomiting
Electrolyte imbalance
Hyponatremia (serum hypotonicity)
Dangerously imbalanced levels of ECF and ICF in the blood
Degeneration of sodium homeostasis

A recently noted medical phenomenon involves small amounts of DHMO
leaking or oozing from the corners of the eyes as a direct result of
causes such as foreign particulate irritation, allergic reactions
including anaphylactic shock, and sometimes severe chemical
depression.

What is a chemical analysis of Dihydrogen Monoxide
Recently, German analytical chemist Christoph von Bueltzingsloewen at
the Universitaet Regensburg identified what may be key reasons why the
dangers of DHMO are ever present. According to von Bueltzingsloewen,
the chemical separation of dihydrogenoxide from the hazardous
oxygendihydride is extremely difficult. The two similar compounds
curiously occur in nearly equimolar distribution wherever they are
found. It is not clear how the two contribute directly to the dangers
inherent in Dihydrogen Monoxide, although von Bueltzingsloewen
believes that a synergetic mechanism, catalyzed by traces of
hydrogenhydroxide, plays a major role.

What can I do to minimize the risks?
Fortunately, there is much you can do to minimize your dangers due to
Dihydrogen Monoxide exposure. First, use common sense. Whenever you
are dealing with any product or food that you feel may be contaminated
with DHMO, evaluate the relative danger to you and your family, and
act accordingly. Keep in mind that in many instances, low-levels of
Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination are not dangerous, and in fact, are
virtually unavoidable. Remember, the responsibility for your safety
and the safety of your family lies with you.
Second, exercise caution when there is the potential for accidental
inhalation or ingestion of DHMO. If you feel uncomfortable, remove
yourself from a dangerous situation. Better safe than sorry.

Third, don't panic. Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are
very real, by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest
assured knowing that you are doing everything possible to keep you and
your family safe.

How can I find out more about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
We would be happy to tell you more about DHMO! Send us email, and
we'll gladly attempt to keep you up-to-date on current developments in
the study of Dihydrogen Monoxide, its uses and misuses.
There are a number of sites on the world wide web that contain more
information on DHMO and related topics. It should be noted that we do
not endorse these sites, nor do we control their content or political
bias.

Links to related information
DHMO web sites

Anti-Dihydrogen Monoxide Coalition (Ames, Iowa)
Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (Headquarters)
Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (Netreach)
Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide (DHMO supporters)
Material Safety Data Sheet
Environmental & Safety Information

SafetyBiz.com - Safety Engineer Jay Preston, expert in safety services
and accident prevention
Clean Air Engineering - promoting environmental responsibility and
economic prosperity
Back to DMRD main page
URL: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Alan S - 29 Apr 2007 00:54 GMT
>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
>> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
>> I should avoid any thing that has chlorine in it, not safe.
>
>I highly advise that you stay from DiHydrogen Monoxide, too. Here's
>what the chemists have to say about it:

Thanks Tim, oldie but goodie:-)


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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ted rosenberg - 28 Apr 2007 13:16 GMT
> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/sucralose.html
> JS
DO NOT EAT ANYTHING WITH SALT IN IT
Salt contains chlorine!

and, since your blood contains lots of salt, maybe you should slit your
wrists and let all that chlorine out.
Protagonist - 28 Apr 2007 17:41 GMT
>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
>> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> and, since your blood contains lots of salt, maybe you should slit your
> wrists and let all that chlorine out.

You are getting confused with chlorine vs. chloride!
JS
ted rosenberg - 28 Apr 2007 19:22 GMT
>>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
>>> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> You are getting confused with chlorine vs. chloride!
> JS
No twit
YOU should have never passed 9th grade science
-------------------------------------
Main Entry: chlo·ride
Pronunciation: 'klor-"Id
Function: noun
Etymology: German Chlorid, from chlor- + -id -ide
1 : a compound of chlorine with another element or group; especially : a
salt or ester of hydrochloric acid
2 : a monovalent anion consisting of one atom of chlorine
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Protagonist - 28 Apr 2007 20:39 GMT
>>>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
>>>> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> 2 : a monovalent anion consisting of one atom of chlorine
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chlorine is used in swimming pools!!! Haha!

>>Chlorine byproducts found in swimming pools are linked to higher
incidences of asthma, lung damage, stillbirths, miscarriages and bladder
cancer, according to credible research conducted in the U.S., Canada,
Norway, Australia and Belgium.<<

>>Chlorine refers to the known element symbolized by "Cl". Chlorine is
a greenish-yellow gas, with a sharp irritating odor. The molecule of
chlorine gas has two atoms and symbolized by "Cl". On the other hand,
chloride is the ionic form of this element and symbolized by "Cl-" (as
in sodium chloride "NaCl). <<

>>Sucralose is the sugar sucrose with three of the hydroxyl groups
replaced by chlorine atoms.<<
Alan S - 29 Apr 2007 00:53 GMT
>>>>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
>>>>> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> >>Sucralose is the sugar sucrose with three of the hydroxyl groups
>replaced by chlorine atoms.<<

It's like arguing with a kid who just learned to read. Sort
of pointless.

To avoid a substance because it has chlorine in it is as
illogical as avoiding any food that has carbon or hydrogen
in it - carbon is dirty black poisonous stuff used in dirty
power stations and hydrogen explodes!

Hey - maybe that's why excess carbohydrates are bad for us?
:-))

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Priscilla Ballou - 29 Apr 2007 03:55 GMT
> >>>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
> >>>> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>  >>Sucralose is the sugar sucrose with three of the hydroxyl groups
> replaced by chlorine atoms.<<

Oh my god.  This character may just be too stupid to live.  

Priscilla
Nicky - 28 Apr 2007 22:32 GMT
>You are getting confused with chlorine vs. chloride!
>JS

Julius, you're dinging around with insulin unsupervised, and worrying
about Splenda?! Get your priorities straight. if artificial sweeteners
worry you, stay away from all of them.

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.5%  BMI 25
Cheri - 28 Apr 2007 22:54 GMT
:-)

Cheri

Nicky wrote in message ...

>Julius, you're dinging around with insulin unsupervised, and worrying
>about Splenda?! Get your priorities straight. if artificial sweeteners
>worry you, stay away from all of them.
Protagonist - 28 Apr 2007 23:03 GMT
>> You are getting confused with chlorine vs. chloride!
>> JS
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> D&E, 100ug thyroxine
> Last A1c 5.5%  BMI 25

Happy user of insulin for a year now, still alive and BG spikes in
control. (o:
JS
wingmask@yahoo.com - 29 Apr 2007 03:41 GMT
> >> You are getting confused with chlorine vs. chloride!
> >> JS
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> control. (o:
> JS

hi
Ozgirl - 28 Apr 2007 23:04 GMT
> >You are getting confused with chlorine vs. chloride!
> >JS
>
> Julius, you're dinging around with insulin unsupervised, and worrying
> about Splenda?! Get your priorities straight. if artificial sweeteners
> worry you, stay away from all of them.

Or, if he must have them choose aspartame. That way if the artificial
sweetener does kill him then he will save on embalming costs.
Mâck©® - 28 Apr 2007 23:11 GMT
>My boss, chemist,

your boss should go back to school, best start at the begginning as
it's hard to figure out where his education began to fail him.  The
best preschools have waiting lists, tell him to hurry up and apply.

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Protagonist - 28 Apr 2007 23:43 GMT
>> My boss, chemist,
>
> your boss should go back to school, best start at the begginning as
> it's hard to figure out where his education began to fail him.  The
> best preschools have waiting lists, tell him to hurry up and apply.

Well, he's 67 years old and holder of a few patents in chemistry.
Also owner of his business, specialized in crystals and bonding.
I think, he knows a few things.
Unlike you!
JS
Grandpa Chuck - 29 Apr 2007 02:14 GMT
>>> My boss, chemist,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Unlike you!
>JS

JS you were doing just fine until the threw the flame at Mack. I think
that was uncalled for.

OTOH, who the hell am I to tell you or anyone what to say?
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Americans killed in Iraq as of April 26, 2007 is 3,337.
United Kingdom = 145 Other = 125.

How many more Americans must die to satisfy Bush's ego?

As of April 28, 2007 it has been 1476 days since Bush
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to the ship by the White House saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
declared,"In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our
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Chris Malcolm - 29 Apr 2007 09:20 GMT
> M????? wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>> it's hard to figure out where his education began to fail him.  The
>> best preschools have waiting lists, tell him to hurry up and apply.

> Well, he's 67 years old and holder of a few patents in chemistry.
> Also owner of his business, specialized in crystals and bonding.
> I think, he knows a few things.
> Unlike you!

Or you, who have clearly misunderstood what he was telling you. It can
easily happen when someone with patents in chemistry speaks to someone
who hasn't a clue about basic school chemistry.

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Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 12:38 GMT
>> M????? wrote:
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> easily happen when someone with patents in chemistry speaks to someone
> who hasn't a clue about basic school chemistry.

I was pretty good in Chemistry, but that was 30 years ago!

Here ja go!
According to Food and Diet's website, numerous claims have been filed
about possible side effect complaints by users of sucralose-containing
products, including Diet Rite cola. Complaints and suspicions mused on
the site of possible side effects of prolonged use of sucralose have
included drug-like feelings of disorientation and confusion, headaches,
depression, anxiety, diarrhea, extreme fatigue, and more.[16]

Chlorine atoms are covalently bonded to the carbon atoms in the
sucralose molecule, making it a chlorocarbon.
Although many chlorocarbons are toxic, sucralose is not known to be
toxic in small quantities and is extremely insoluble in fat, so it can
not accumulate in fat like most chlorinated hydrocarbons.
In addition sucralose does not break down or dechlorinate.[1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda
ted rosenberg - 29 Apr 2007 13:42 GMT
Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>

What part of
":f.ck OFF STUPID"
Don't you understand?

We don't take kindly to trolls like you
AND, if you are to claim chemistry
LEARN some of it
"Chlorine" is an element
ALL forms of the element

when making technical reference to specific compounds containing CHLORINE,
"chloride" is a particular bonded form
as as "chlorate", "hyperchlorate" "perchlorate", "dechlorinate", etc.
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 20:07 GMT
> Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> "chloride" is a particular bonded form
> as as "chlorate", "hyperchlorate" "perchlorate", "dechlorinate", etc.

let's see who's the stupid?
Chlorine in pure form is a green gas, highly poisonous.
Bounded to sodium becomes chloride, a negative ion. Cl-
Even salt is poisonous in large amount, that's why drinking see water is
not recommended, unless you can diluted with fresh water.
Many see creatures, like whales have blow holes to expel excess salt
from the body. Fresh water fish use reverse osmosis through the skin to
keep internal body pressure with the outside.
In Splenda chlorine is bonded to carbon, becomes chlorocarbon, in many
intenses, toxic.
In case of Splenda, in small amount, Chlorocarbon is not toxic and does
not build up in the body.
You would have to consume some 20,000 packets of splenda a month to have
toxic effect on the body!
Are you happy, Rousenberg?
Ozgirl - 29 Apr 2007 21:13 GMT
> > Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> toxic effect on the body!
> Are you happy, Rousenberg?

So why are you trying to tell people to keep away from Splenda when there is
no problem with it? I think you just lost the plot.
J.C. Hartmann - 29 Apr 2007 21:23 GMT
> So why are you trying to tell people to keep away from Splenda when there is
> no problem with it? I think you just lost the plot.

There just isn't a 2x4 big enough....

Húgyagyú
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 22:15 GMT
>> So why are you trying to tell people to keep away from Splenda when
>> there is
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Húgyagyú

Szep neved van, Angyalfoldru szalasztottak?!
JS
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 22:13 GMT
>>> Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> So why are you trying to tell people to keep away from Splenda when there is
> no problem with it? I think you just lost the plot.

I never told any one to stay away splenda, I was asking opinions of
others about what my boss told me.
But every one jumped on me, calling me names!
Shows how many idiots are on this NG!
JS
% - 29 Apr 2007 23:57 GMT
> >>> Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> Shows how many idiots are on this NG!
> JS

that's all they do here ,
you either agree with everyone or ,
you're a troll
Alan S - 30 Apr 2007 00:09 GMT
>Shows how many idiots are on this NG!
>JS

Julius, you've changed. We didn't always agree when you
dropped in here irregularly, but I never thought you were
silly before.

What's happened? This is a silly argument that you can't
win. Is there some other problem?


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Protagonist - 30 Apr 2007 00:42 GMT
>> Shows how many idiots are on this NG!
>> JS
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Why is it a silly argument?
I posted counter argument from Wikipedia, stating chlorocarbons are
toxic and Splenda consumed in large amount is toxic.
Animal studies proves it.
For idiots on this NG, all chlorine is the same and that's what i was
arguing, they're not.
JS
W. Baker - 30 Apr 2007 21:13 GMT
: I posted counter argument from Wikipedia, stating chlorocarbons are
: toxic and Splenda consumed in large amount is toxic.
: Animal studies proves it.
: JS

So is salt, even so is water.

Wendy
% - 30 Apr 2007 21:25 GMT
> : I posted counter argument from Wikipedia, stating chlorocarbons are
> : toxic and Splenda consumed in large amount is toxic.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Wendy

what isn't
Priscilla H. Ballou - 30 Apr 2007 22:38 GMT
> : I posted counter argument from Wikipedia, stating chlorocarbons are
> : toxic and Splenda consumed in large amount is toxic.
> : Animal studies proves it.
> : JS
>
> So is salt, even so is water.

My mother once said, "If you eat enough spinach, it'll kill you!"

Priscilla
Alan S - 30 Apr 2007 23:34 GMT
>>> Shows how many idiots are on this NG!
>>> JS
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>arguing, they're not.
>JS

I'm well aware of what you did. My question is why are you
doing it?


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Ozgirl - 30 Apr 2007 01:17 GMT
> >>> Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> I never told any one to stay away splenda, I was asking opinions of
> others about what my boss told me.

Then what is this?:

"My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
chlorine atoms. He said don't look good. I should avoid any thing that has
chlorine in it, not safe."  Looks like a warning to me. Then you turn around
and say that one would have to ingest trailer loads of Splenda to come to
any harm. So are you with Splenda or against it? Do you personally know
anyone that eats pounds of Splenda?
Protagonist - 30 Apr 2007 01:46 GMT
>>>>> Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 44 lines]
> any harm. So are you with Splenda or against it? Do you personally know
> anyone that eats pounds of Splenda?

I use Splenda for sweetening, but Chlorine in any thing all ways a red
flag to me.
My boss also told me, he would prefer natural sweetener over splenda.

>>Concerns have also been raised about the effect of sucralose on the
thymus gland, a gland that is important to the immune system. A report
from NICNAS cites two studies on rats, both of which found "a
significant decrease in mean thymus weight" at a certain dose.[10] The
sucralose dosages which caused the thymus gland effects referenced in
the NICNAS report was 3000 mg/kg bw/day for 28 days. For an 80 kg (176
lb) human, this would mean a 28-day intake of 240 grams of sucralose,
which is equivalent to more than 20,000 individual Splenda packets/day
for approximately one month. The dose required to provoke any
immunological response was 750 mg/kg bw/day,[11] or 60 grams of
sucralose per day, which is more than 5,000 Splenda packets/day (there
are 11.9 mg of sucralose in a 1g retail packet of Splenda). These and
other studies were considered by regulators before concluding that
sucralose was safe. However, because some ingested sucralose is broken
down and absorbed by the body there is concern that chronic consumption
may lead to thymus shrinkage or other side-effects.<<
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda
% - 30 Apr 2007 02:06 GMT
> >>>>> Protagonist wrote:<more troll drool snipped>
> >>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 66 lines]
> may lead to thymus shrinkage or other side-effects.<<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda

in 75 years will this matter
TigerLily - 30 Apr 2007 02:18 GMT
are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????

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is it against the law not to be

> are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????
>
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> side-effects.<<
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda
Protagonist - 30 Apr 2007 03:03 GMT
> is it against the law not to be

That's the type characters one has to deal with on this NG!
JS

>> are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????
>>
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>> side-effects.<<
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Protagonist - 30 Apr 2007 03:02 GMT
> are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????

What's da matter, LilyBitch!
Are you scared of the facts?
JS
Cheri - 30 Apr 2007 04:48 GMT
I knew there was a reason your posts weren't worth reading.

Cheri

Protagonist wrote in message ...
>What's da matter
>Are you scared of the facts?
>JS
TigerLily - 30 Apr 2007 15:29 GMT
if you HAD any facts to support your silly claims,
then i MIGHT be scared

however, i have been using Splenda for over 15
years now, and i have no bad side effects like
what you are claiming

just HOW MUCH splenda a day do you have to consume
for the negative effects????

btw, you're being reported to your ISP for
spamming a diabetic newsgroup

> > are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????
> >
> What's da matter, LilyBitch!
> Are you scared of the facts?
> JS
Protagonist - 30 Apr 2007 18:25 GMT
> if you HAD any facts to support your silly claims,
> then i MIGHT be scared
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> Are you scared of the facts?
>> JS

Maybe you should read my posts some time, rather than flashing your
ignorance here.
Second, you started calling me names first,
(TigerLily wrote: are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????),
so I don't see what gives you the right to reporting me to my ISP for
spamming?
I guess, woman all mighty like you, think you have the right for every
thing.
JS
Mâck©® - 01 May 2007 00:05 GMT
>> are you even diabetic you a.shole???????????
>>
>What's da matter, LilyBitch!
>Are you scared of the facts?
>JS

calling women bitches in here only shows that you are a troll and
absolutely nothing more.

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Mâck©® - 30 Apr 2007 23:41 GMT
>>> M????? wrote:
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>In addition sucralose does not break down or dechlorinate.[1
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splenda

wiki is edited by anyone with access to the net, even the nut cases.

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Keith B. Rosenberg - 29 Apr 2007 19:27 GMT
Surely anyone with such knowledge of chemistry
should know that an element can be poisonous but
necessary to life in molecular form (as sodium
chloride salt is). The reverse is true also. Carbon
and nitrogen, neither of which is considered a
poison in ordinary circumstances, are the
constituent elements of cyanide. And all elements
can be dangerous in the right circumstances.

I have observed that a sheepskin on the wall does
not mean intelligence. Nor do the highly educated
seem any less prone to using their knowledge to
claim a dubious superiority or for political, and thus
often irrational, purposes.

>>> My boss, chemist,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Unlike you!
> JS
Mâck©® - 30 Apr 2007 23:38 GMT
>>> My boss, chemist,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Unlike you!
>JS

have him checked for senile dementia then.  

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Keith B. Rosenberg - 29 Apr 2007 13:57 GMT
So does salt - as sodium chloride.

Treated tap water usually has chlorine.
By that logic you should stop drinking tap water.

> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/sucralose.html
> JS
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 19:44 GMT
> So does salt - as sodium chloride.
>
> Treated tap water usually has chlorine.
> By that logic you should stop drinking tap water.

Wrong!!!!
Tap water has now Chloramine (NH2Cl)a more stable compound!
If you would own a fish tank, you would know that!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramine
JS

>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which
>> shows chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> http://sci-toys.com/ingredients/sucralose.html
>> JS
bittersweet - 29 Apr 2007 19:45 GMT
>My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
>chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
>I should avoid any thing that has chlorine in it, not safe.

And then on Sun, 29 Apr 2007 11:44:52 -0700, Protagonist
<szaki10@comcast.net> wrote:

>> So does salt - as sodium chloride.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramine
>JS

Ask your boss what the "Cl" in "NH2Cl" stands for.
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 20:11 GMT
>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
>> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Ask your boss what the "Cl" in "NH2Cl" stands for.

Chlorine, bozo!
Maybe you should read some times, what i'm posting!
Go eat a pond of salt at one sitting, see how your body takes it.
JS
mark@keystone.com - 29 Apr 2007 20:45 GMT
Hcl is the major acid in the stomach used to breakdown some foods.
Please tell us which chemicals are the "h" and "cl" of its formula?
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 21:08 GMT
> Hcl is the major acid in the stomach used to breakdown some foods.
> Please tell us which chemicals are the "h" and "cl" of its formula?

Please, tell me 2+2=?
JS
Priscilla Ballou - 29 Apr 2007 21:20 GMT
> > Hcl is the major acid in the stomach used to breakdown some foods.
> > Please tell us which chemicals are the "h" and "cl" of its formula?
>
> Please, tell me 2+2=?
> JS

Yes, we already know you're missing the basics.  You've made that all
too apparent.

Priscilla
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 21:59 GMT
>>> Hcl is the major acid in the stomach used to breakdown some foods.
>>> Please tell us which chemicals are the "h" and "cl" of its formula?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Priscilla

Your brain sicker than your body, retard!
JS
Ozgirl - 29 Apr 2007 21:12 GMT
> >> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
> >> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Maybe you should read some times, what i'm posting!
> Go eat a pond of salt at one sitting, see how your body takes it.

Who eats a pound of Splenda? And how does a stable chlorine compound effect
you any differently to an unstable compound?  Do you have the kind of
personality that gets sucked into scams so easily?
> JS
% - 29 Apr 2007 21:35 GMT
> > >> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
> > >> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> personality that gets sucked into scams so easily?
> > JS

not as good as the hay ride your personality took when it replied to all
this
Ozgirl - 29 Apr 2007 21:43 GMT
> > > > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:23:21 -0700, Protagonist
> <szaki10@comcast.net>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> not as good as the hay ride your personality took when it replied to all
> this

I am allergic to hay, silly boy. Besides, Julius is a long term poster, not
a fly by scammer.
% - 29 Apr 2007 22:00 GMT
> > > > > On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:23:21 -0700, Protagonist
> > <szaki10@comcast.net>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> I am allergic to hay, silly boy. Besides, Julius is a long term poster, not
> a fly by scammer.

none of which has anything to do with the topic
Protagonist - 29 Apr 2007 22:04 GMT
>>>> My boss, chemist, looked it the splenda's chemical formula, which shows
>>>> chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> personality that gets sucked into scams so easily?
>> JS

apparently, all diabetics on this NG are chemist professor! Haha!
I just tried to show, even salt in large amount can be poison, all
though our body can't function without it!
JS
Mâck©® - 30 Apr 2007 23:59 GMT
>> Chlorine, bozo!
>> Maybe you should read some times, what i'm posting!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>personality that gets sucked into scams so easily?
>> JS

the nutter didn't say anything about eating a pound of anything dear.
he said to eat a pond of salt.  never specified the size of the pond
or the amount of salt in the pond or the type and location of the
pond.

we know this could not have been a typo seeing how JS is such a
brilliant chemist and all, and accurate documentation is paramount in
such a field of study/work.

But then many people are still trying to figure out this whole "many
sea creatures have blow holes to expell excess salt" thing.  We kow
such a brilliant mind would never mislead or intentionally bullshit
anyone, but it was general consesus in the scientic communty until JS
came along that marine mammals had blow holes.  And compared to the
variety of species in the sea, that is hardly many.  But then again,
blow holes are not used for respiration as once was thought either.

Such ground breaking science in the age of protaganist-broken-thought.

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Ozgirl - 29 Apr 2007 21:09 GMT
> So does salt - as sodium chloride.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> > chlorine atoms. He said don't look good.
> > I should avoid any thing that has chlorine in it, not safe.

I have lived in areas where there was so much chlorine in the water that it
bleached porcelain stains away. Here is a classic example of brainwashing,
very sad.
MI - 30 Apr 2007 00:42 GMT
On 4/29/07 1:09 PM, in article 1339use4snfr1eb@news.supernews.com, "Ozgirl"
<are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:

>> So does salt - as sodium chloride.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> bleached porcelain stains away. Here is a classic example of brainwashing,
> very sad.

How could you drink it? Just the smell of it, when the put extra in for
reservoir problems, makes me feel sick.

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