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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2007Labs Back--I'm diabetic now. :(
Hello all- <big vent> After fighting my HMO over my eating problems for over a year and a half, and totally loosing, I am now a frank diabetic. GD KAISER! It's like they set me up from day one to fail, so they can put me on medications and be done with me. sxxx heads I can't tell you how hard it is to write this. Maybe if I show my labs (which takes time to cut and paste, I'll stop crying) October HBA1C 5.3 April 5.4 Lipid Panels October Cholesterol 192 April Cholesterol 169 October Tri 143 April Tri 232 October HDL 50 April HDL 50 Oct LDL calculated 113 April LDL calculated 73 October GLU fasting 114 (guesstimate, because it isn't in my chart, they are still working on this electronic system) April Glucose fasting 127 no Oct test done April TPO (thyroid antibodies) 63 sb <35 IU/mL Oct Creatinine 1 April results not in yet October TSH 2.1 April TSH 9 (low end--especially for me) Better. :) My blood was drawn Wednesday and the results are placed in my personal/secret file for me to retrieve forever (secure web site). So, here I am watching my results come in one at a time and it didn't take long, before I realized what this all meant. It appears that I should immediately increase my thyroid dose, which I did six months ago also. And it appears that it is possible that changes in my thyroid are causing changes in my diabetes. (didn't type the pre this time) I'm not taking it well, because I really wanted to try diet and exercise. I was following as low a carb diet as I could afford calorie wise. No pasta, no "white" foods, etc. but just the basics and I think I slipped a bit. I always have used fresh ingredients, etc. etc. etc. However, I just went along eating one meal/day with no help in sight. I'm prone to hypos when I start adding food back in, so that is one problem. I've developed food aversions from delaying my thyroid surgery--I had a tumor constricting my esophagus and my wind pipe. I have a very weird eating disorder, and all kinds of other things going on. I can't exercise the way I should, because I also have fibromyalgia. To talk about all of this, seems so petty compared to others. How is he going to even prescribe medication for me? This is so much like a bad dream that you can't wake yourself from. **In the meantime what if the doctor wants me to go on medication, even though he never gave diet and exercise a chance, because he did not rigorously try to find someone to help me eat?** I guess pouting does no one any good. I'm almost certain he will want me on medication, because all three docs I've had since Feb. 04 have wanted me to take medication and I was pre-diabetic. I've got a great article on this phenomena: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046702.php My appointment is 2:30 PM PDT and I will be on line in the morning. It took me a while before I was able to post about it. Nancy needs a new sig > Hello all- > > <big vent> [snip] Nancy, odds are you've been DM for years with that 114 fbg; the fbg fails to diagnose 70% of female diabetics and 48% of males, according to a large study comparing results with the two hour post meal numbers. Diet and exercise are all many of us long timers use to control bg, and you can, too, before considering medications. Walks after meals and muscle building exercise can help a LOT, along with low carbing and liberal use of your meter to figure out which foods best help you to meet your goals. Susan Susan, how did your trip go? Any good news I hope? Cheri Susan wrote in message <5927hgF2ihuapU1@mid.individual.net>... >Walks after meals and muscle building exercise can help a LOT, along >with low carbing and liberal use of your meter to figure out which foods >best help you to meet your goals. > >Susan > Susan, how did your trip go? Any good news I hope? news, didn't expect it, I expected a process and that's what I'm in. Had a pituitary MRI at Cedars Sinai, and got orders to do more endocrine testing at home. Have to wait a couple of weeks for his summary, but he confessed to having no idea where to begin with me. I appreciated his candor; most docs don't know what to make of my very odd and complex med history but they respond by being dismissive and disbelieving. I brought a long summary with me and a lot of lab and imaging results from over the years. I'm hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst. Thanks, Cheri. Susan I'm certainly hoping for the best for you too. Cheri >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Susan >Diet and exercise are all many of us long timers use to control bg, and >you can, too, before considering medications. > >Walks after meals and muscle building exercise can help a LOT, along >with low carbing and liberal use of your meter to figure out which foods >best help you to meet your goals. If I could do those things, I would be doing them. :( Exercise is very limited when you have Fibromyalgia. More pain medication might help me be able to exercise more appropriately. But that is another hurdle to jump over. If I could get enough strips, I could probably be in control even with small amounts of exercise and my current eating issues. I will be asking for this today from the dr. :) Even walking is hit or miss, depending on the day. Nancy > If I could do those things, I would be doing them. :( Exercise is very limited > when you have Fibromyalgia. More pain medication might help me be able to > exercise more appropriately. But that is another hurdle to jump over. Maybe not. I had extremely severe FMS when I was severely insulin resistant. It went away literally overnight the day after I stopped eating starch and sugar. That doesn't mean it will do that for you, but cutting your carbs a lot may help ease your pain enough to exercise. I did so with FMS, and I know that research shows that gently graded exercise helps it. > If I could get enough strips, I could probably be in control even with small > amounts of exercise and my current eating issues. Nancy, strips don't control your blood sugar, diet does most of all. Diet with even a slow, easy walk for 15 minutes after a meal does a great deal, too. > I will be asking for this today from the dr. :) Strips are great for helping you lean which foods you tolerate best and which to avoid. > Even walking is hit or miss, depending on the day. > Nancy On the hit days, do what you can; I understand how awful the pain can be, but you may just find that improved dietary control reduces it. I hope so, anyway. Susan > >Diet and exercise are all many of us long timers use to control bg, and > >you can, too, before considering medications. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If I could get enough strips, I could probably be in control even with small > amounts of exercise and my current eating issues. May I ask what your eating issues are Nancy? >May I ask what your eating issues are Nancy? I believe that I have another restriction just above my vocal chords, but I'm not willing to do another barium swallow to find out--it's minor--but it interferes with swallowing, especially pills. My mouth is very dry--so I need moist foods. This is due to medication. Then there are what I think are more somatic issues, such as looking at food, but not being able to eat it--usually one bite shows that the food is too dry. I always take one bite, because I might be able to overcome the feeling. And finally, I'm a barf queen. I have lots of problems with nausea. I do not eat when I feel sick to my stomach. Then there is my eating schedule--which sucks. I get a very small amount of food (coffee with half milk and flax seed oil). Rarely, I might have a snack during the day. Most of the time, I eat dinner and a big snack. If it weren't so overwhelming and so many things, I could deal with it. There is one more minor thing. I can only eat so much of really crunchy foods (like carrots), because my jaw gets sore from the Fibromyalgia. I'm working on a plan. I'm trying to use protein (Atkins and Glucerna) drinks where I would eat something. Then slowly move from the drinks to eating real food. This is what I was trying to do when I gave up last August. It would be very helpful to have someone to talk to about this on a regular basis, but the dieticians think I'm throwing up brick walls. I wish I was--they are easier to tear down. Nancy >If I could get enough strips, I could probably be in control even with small >amounts of exercise and my current eating issues. Hi Nancy Maybe this may help: http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Athens and The Adriatic >>If I could get enough strips, I could probably be in control even with small >>amounts of exercise and my current eating issues. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Maybe this may help: >http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/2007/04/teting-on-budget.html Thanks Alan--I actually used that about a year ago and used a more random testing schedule. The doc wanted me to do certain testing and that left few extra strips. But, I learned quite a bit and I don't have to reinvent the wheel. I just have to put it together. :) But now.............................. I feel free! LOL I get more strips than I need. :) Nancy Nancy, I don't see you as pouting at all. I see you as being concerned and upset which is entirely normal. I would certainly discuss all the options with my doctor. Take care. Cheri Nancy wrote in message ... >I guess pouting does no one any good. I'm almost certain he will want me on >medication, because all three docs I've had since Feb. 04 have wanted me to take >medication and I was pre-diabetic. I've got a great article on this phenomena: >http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046702.php Thanks Cheri :) Nancy >Nancy, I don't see you as pouting at all. I see you as being concerned >and upset which is entirely normal. I would certainly discuss all the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >phenomena: >>http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046702.php > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > Nancy > needs a new sig Hi Nancy, I am sorry your are so hurt over all this. I know my first reaction 8 years ago was much the same. A few years back we had a poster who had Kaiser (sp) and he did not like them either. I have your sister disease to Fibro and mine is called Myofacial Pain and the symptoms are very much alike. My sister has Fibro and I see how hard it is for her and I can only imagine the pain you are in and I am very sorry. Vent all you want because that is why we are all here. We take the good news with the bad and try to help when we can. I don't help much because I don't know much. I wish you all the best and please let us know how you are doing. >Hi Nancy, >I am sorry your are so hurt over all this. I know my first reaction 8 years >ago was much the same. > >A few years back we had a poster who had Kaiser (sp) and he did not like >them either. I seem to remember him posting. He lived in the SF Bay Area--I think. >I have your sister disease to Fibro and mine is called Myofacial Pain and >the symptoms are very much alike. Sister disorders, except that MP is now a fully recognized disorder and fibro is still a fringe disorder. > My sister has Fibro and I see how hard it is for her and I can only imagine >the pain you are in and I am very sorry. Thank you. Things are much better than onset in 1997. :) >Vent all you want because that is why we are all here. We take the good news >with the bad and try to help when we can. I don't help much because I don't >know much. > >I wish you all the best and please let us know how you are doing. You are such a sweetheart! Thank you so much for your support. I see you have made major changes since I last paid attention. Congratulations! Nancy > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:48:50 -0400, "Diana" > <diana.is.saved.by.grace@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Nancy Hi Nancy, Yes he posted here and lived in California and has since passed on. I really miss him as others here do too. He was a bright light in all our lives IMO. According to the SS doctor I had to go see said the opposite. She told me that it is the Fibro that SS now recognizes and it is also on their web page. In any way they are both very debilitating and my heart goes out to you. My sister has Fibro and I see the suffering she goes through. I am glad your Fibro is a little better. If you don't mind telling may I ask what meds you take for it? You always have my support. We are in the same boat here in ASD and had it not been for all here I would have been gone long time ago. Thanks for the Congrats :-) Thanks to for waiting for my reply. > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > October HBA1C 5.3 > April 5.4 Optimal is 4.7 or less. > Lipid Panels > October Cholesterol 192 > April Cholesterol 169 Optimal. > October Tri 143 > April Tri 232 Optimal is less than 150 mg/dl. > October HDL 50 > April HDL 50 Optimal is more than 50 mg/dl. > Oct LDL calculated 113 > April LDL calculated 73 Optimal. > October GLU fasting 114 (guesstimate, because it isn't in my chart, they are > still working on this electronic system) > April Glucose fasting 127 Optimal is less than 100 mg/dl. > no Oct test done > April TPO (thyroid antibodies) 63 sb <35 IU/mL Not normal. > Oct Creatinine 1 > April results not in yet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Better. :) This is actually not good. It means you are starting to be more hypothyroid. This may explain some of your increased insulin resistance. Would suggest you seek a referral to consult with an endocrinologist about possibly increasing you on thyroid replacement hormone therapy. > My blood was drawn Wednesday and the results are placed in my personal/secret > file for me to retrieve forever (secure web site). So, here I am watching my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > months ago also. And it appears that it is possible that changes in my thyroid > are causing changes in my diabetes. (didn't type the pre this time) Correct. > I'm not taking it well, because I really wanted to try diet and exercise. You really need to lose all your visceral adipose tissue (VAT) which is causing your insulin resistance (aka metabolic syndrome or MetS). > I was following as low a carb diet as I could afford calorie wise. No pasta, no > "white" foods, etc. but just the basics and I think I slipped a bit. I always [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can't exercise the way I should, because I also have fibromyalgia. To talk > about all of this, seems so petty compared to others. Your fibromylagia may be arising from the inflammatory cytokines from your VAT. > How is he going to even prescribe medication for me? This is so much like a bad > dream that you can't wake yourself from. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Nancy > needs a new sig May reading the following help you: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On Apr 22, 7:09 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote: > > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 121 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hey, a.s-chung, Are you licensed to practise medicine online? Does the AMA approve of this? Can you make legally medical diagnoses in newsgroups? Idiot. >On Apr 22, 7:09 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Are you licensed to practise medicine online? Does the AMA approve of >this? Can you make legally medical diagnoses in newsgroups? Idiot. So much for kill filters. But, I see Mr. Chung didn't read my post. I'm underweight, you silly fool. Nancy > On Apr 22, 7:09 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > >http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp Don't worry doc,you can post anything you want, on this is news group,anything news worthy is ok. > > Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Are you licensed to practise medicine online? Does the AMA approve of > this? Can you make legally medical diagnoses in newsgroups? Idiot. > > On Apr 22, 7:09 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I don't think the board certified quack will still be board certified if he "practices" medicine thru a newsgroup. It is illegal to practice medicine like that. > satan via a sockpuppet (demon) wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > Don't worry doc,you can post anything you want, on this is news > group,anything news worthy is ok. That is my understanding. May GOD bless you in HIS mighty way. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > Don't worry doc,you can post anything you want, on this is news > group,anything news worthy is ok. Don't feed the troll. And learn to snip properly while you're at it. > On Apr 22, 7:09 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 128 lines] > Are you licensed to practise medicine online? Does the AMA approve of > this? Can you make legally medical diagnoses in newsgroups? Idiot. I don't know what your problem is, but seeking a referral to an endo would seem very appropriate to me. > satan, via a sockpuppet (demon), wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > >> endocrinologist about possibly increasing you on thyroid replacement > >> hormone therapy. <snip> > > Hey, a.s-chung, > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't know what your problem is, but seeking a referral to an endo would > seem very appropriate to me. The problem is that satan remains angry about the eternal defeat my LORD has handed to him. May GOD bless you. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On Apr 24, 1:55 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > > satan, via a sockpuppet (demon), wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > The problem is that satan remains angry about the eternal defeat my > LORD has handed to him. Quit blaming poor Satan. He doesn't work for the AMA anyway. convicted neighbot Haskell wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > satan, via a sockpuppet (demon), wrote: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > Quit blaming poor Satan. Your deteriorating reading comprehension does not bode well. May GOD keep your heart beating long enough for you to get this checked out. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets" http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth On Apr 26, 9:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote: > convicted neighbot Haskell wrote: > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > May GOD keep your heart beating long enough for you to get this > checked out. Those tallow candles on your basement altar -- are they goat tallow, or baby human tallow? > On Apr 26, 9:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 91 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Chung's ear wax: it's so easy to dip the wicks in one side and pull them out the other, fully coated. Why do you ask? > > On Apr 26, 9:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" > [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > > Why do you ask? Satan wanted to know, and me being in PR and all, I thought I'd ask. convicted neighbor Haskell wrote: > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > convicted neighbot Haskell wrote: [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Those tallow candles on your basement altar Your visual hallucinations do not bode well either. > -- are they goat tallow, or baby human tallow? They are what you are hallucinating. Would continue to suggest you ask your doctor(s) to order a contrast- enhanced MRI if you have not already. Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com "Unlike the 2PD-OMER Approach, weight loss diets can't be combined with well-balanced diets." http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and > totally loosing, I am now a frank diabetic. GD KAISER! <snip> > I'm not taking it well, because I really wanted to try diet and exercise. Alas that's not enough for some of us. > I was following as low a carb diet as I could afford calorie wise. No > pasta, no [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > talk > about all of this, seems so petty compared to others. Keep in mind that your thyroid can affect your BG (blood glucose). I also think there is often a link between thyroid and fibro. When my thyroid is out of whack, my fibro. is unbearable. > How is he going to even prescribe medication for me? This is so much like > a bad > dream that you can't wake yourself from. Most likely he will start you on Metformin. > **In the meantime what if the doctor wants me to go on medication, even > though > he never gave diet and exercise a chance, because he did not rigorously > try to > find someone to help me eat?** It's not likely a Dr. would find someone to help you eat. All they can do is refer to a dietician and they may or may not help you. If you go there you will be given a standard diet tailored for you, but it may contain too many carbs for you to keep your BG under control. Like you, I have additional medical problems that add to the mix as far as diet is concerned and I just muddle along and hope for the best. > I guess pouting does no one any good. I'm almost certain he will want me > on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > My appointment is 2:30 PM PDT and I will be on line in the morning. > It took me a while before I was able to post about it. You can ask for a referral to a dietician. I'm sure they have them there. But most likely you will be told you have to eat three meals a day and probably snacks as well. >Keep in mind that your thyroid can affect your BG (blood glucose). I also >think there is often a link between thyroid and fibro. When my thyroid is >out of whack, my fibro. is unbearable. I know there is a connection--at least for me. For about a month after they removed half of my thyroid I felt very little pain. As things settled down, the pain came back. If I'm really lucky, my PCP will refer me back to the Endocrinologist--he gets me big time. And he agreed to my goals, he just didn't tell my PCP. Nancy >It's not likely a Dr. would find someone to help you eat. All they can do >is refer to a dietician and they may or may not help you. If you go there >you will be given a standard diet tailored for you, but it may contain too >many carbs for you to keep your BG under control. Like you, I have >additional medical problems that add to the mix as far as diet is concerned >and I just muddle along and hope for the best. It's a bit of a convoluted story. My therapist referred me to a eating disorder specialist (psychologist). She works with dieticians to treat eating disorders. I was to get plugged into the eating disorder clinic, except for the group therapy (because my problem is physical, not psychological). My HMO dropped the ball and I never even met the dietician. So, I asked my PCP and he sent me to a normal dietician. She immediately wanted me to add in 2 meals and 2 snacks, even though I'm not hungry and trying to force myself to eat only makes my stomach swim. I told her in the beginning that we need to take very small steps, as this has been going on for over 5 years and now there IS a psychological factor. And none of this addresses my hypo problems when I do add in snacks/meals. Time to test. 119 1hr pp She chose to ignore me and the first food she wanted me to eat was 100% carbohydrate in the form of low carb juice. What craziness. Then she tells me that is all I would agree to try. Huh? One of the first things I thought we should do is to identify foods that I already know I can usually eat without problems and that turned into I'm not a very compliant patient. I just stopped seeing her, it was way too frustrating. Nancy In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:05:30 -0800 in Msg.# <u7pp235sa41pd4625ip13lnjkc0p1nldtp@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> wrote: > It's a bit of a convoluted story. My therapist referred me to a eating disorder > specialist (psychologist). She works with dieticians to treat eating disorders. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that we need to take very small steps, as this has been going on for over 5 > years and now there IS a psychological factor. So, I'm trying to understand here, you had a problem with food, that was physical, that was not an eating disorder, but, now, because this has been going on for over 5 years you do have an eating disorder in addition to the physical problem? Have I got it? Have you been underweight for over 5 years also? Have you said your age, or your age range? > And none of this addresses my hypo problems when I do add in snacks/meals. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I just stopped seeing her, it was way too frustrating. Yes, clearly you weren't hearing each other. That's a nightmare. But, were your safe foods, safe for you for reasons related to an eating disorder, or a physical ailment? Or both? Been there, done that, came away without even a t-shirt in terms of convoluted medical histories, etc.!!  SignatureDonnaB 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2 "A beginning is the time for taking the most delicate care that the balances are correct." - Chapter 1 Preface, the Emperor's niece, opening line, Frank Herbert, DUNE >So, I'm trying to understand here, you had a problem with food, that was >physical, that was not an eating disorder, but, now, because this has been >going on for over 5 years you do have an eating disorder in addition to the >physical problem? Have I got it? That's pretty much it. The physical problem was a tumor on my thyroid. After my surgery things were going really well and I had brought my numbers back in line. Then I got a really bad bought of food poisoning and could not eat for almost three months. I lived on soup, jello oatmeal and a few other things. That was the second weight loss period. >Have you been underweight for over 5 years also? No. I'm trying to remember exactly what happened. I was diagnosed under doctor #1. All she did was tell me to loose more weight. I cautioned her, because I've had boughts of uncontrolled weight loss a couple of times in my past. So, I cut out the snacks and started doing some kind of exercise. I'm 5'2". I weighed 135 lbs and my goal was to loose 10 to 15 more pounds. I couldn't stop it. The weight just kept coming off and I wizzed past my goals. Doctor #1 thought this was great. But, at 105 lbs, I felt awful, had no energy, my skin was icky and my hair was falling out. And I kept loosing, but always managed to keep my weight above 100 lbs--which was some kind of cut off for the doctor. Doctor #2 wanted me to "loose more weight", but she was new to the HMO and I got her off my back. I'm now with doctor #3 and today is his test to determine if I stay with him or move on. He didn't dare tell me to loose more weight. I weigh 109 today. :) >Have you said your age, or your age range? sorry. I turn 50 in August. I've been unable to work since I was 39. >> And none of this addresses my hypo problems when I do add in snacks/meals. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >But, were your safe foods, safe for you for reasons related to an eating >disorder, or a physical ailment? Or both? Kind of both. I've gone back to eating less carbohydrates. So, for example, last night we had salmon and asparagus and cashew nuts for a snack (way too many nuts). The salmon and asparagus I can almost always eat. I can almost always eat any food that is moist enough. I get a very dry mouth--partly due to a medication (lithium). I make sauces for most things. Usually lemon juice, a flavored oil and some herbs. One thing we did agree upon was that I should only try to eat foods I like, because that should help over come the psych part of it. And I no longer try to force feed myself. >Been there, done that, came away without even a t-shirt in terms of >convoluted medical histories, etc.!! I knew there must be someone out there that had a similar problem! I've been watching Julie, because she has eating problems, even though they are totally different than mine. I'm off to make my list--which can only contain three subjects. Don't you just love doctors? Thanks, Nancy In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:59:00 -0800 in Msg.# <2j6q23pbhuss9hdurek6jri87bf7tdf12u@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> wrote: > >Have you been underweight for over 5 years also? > > No. I'm trying to remember exactly what happened. I was diagnosed under doctor > #1. All she did was tell me to loose more weight. I cautioned her, because > I've had boughts of uncontrolled weight loss a couple of times in my past. So, how much did you weigh when a doctor wanted you to lose? I ask to see what kind of range of weights you've had in the past decade or so. > So, I cut out the snacks and started doing some kind of exercise. I'm 5'2". I > weighed 135 lbs and my goal was to loose 10 to 15 more pounds. I couldn't stop > it. The weight just kept coming off and I wizzed past my goals. Doctor #1 > thought this was great. But, at 105 lbs, I felt awful, had no energy, my skin > was icky and my hair was falling out. And I kept loosing, but always managed to > keep my weight above 100 lbs--which was some kind of cut off for the doctor. Okay, you've said that now you're about 106-109. At 5'2" why are you concerned about that weight? Certainly what you're eating or not eating & how quickly weight has changed can bring about certain symptoms, but the number itself per se doesn't seem problematic. And, there are plenty of things that could bring about certain symptoms other than considering oneself underweight. > >Have you said your age, or your age range? > > sorry. I turn 50 in August. I've been unable to work since I was 39. And, I gather that you now live with your parents. > >But, were your safe foods, safe for you for reasons related to an eating > >disorder, or a physical ailment? Or both? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > eat any food that is moist enough. I get a very dry mouth--partly due to a > medication (lithium). But, from other posts of yours it sounds like a real problem is that you don't really eat 3 meals, even. It's great that you can eat nuts, even though they are more toward the dry/crunchy end of the continuum. What about planning to eat things you know that you like & can manage at 3 points throughout the day whether you would typically call them meals or not? SignatureDonnaB 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2 "If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual." - Frank Herbert, DUNE > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 79 lines] > Nancy > needs a new sig I feel your pain. I was diagnosed in June 2005. At that time my A1C was 11 and FBG was 300. I had docs in the past tell me that my BG level was 'a little high' and that I should 'avoid sweets' and 'walk more'. That's all. If someone had caught me by the lapels five years ago and told me to change my diet and start meaningful exercise or I would likely wind up diabetic - I might or might not have listened, but at least I would not be wondering about it. >> Hello all- >> [quoted text clipped - 87 lines] >diabetic - I might or might not have listened, but at least I would not be >wondering about it. Thank you. That kind of treatment happens all over. I found this great article (did I post this already?) about doctor's attitudes toward diabetics: So People with Type 2 Always Deteriorate? www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046702.php I think a lot of it also applies to Type 1s. Nancy > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > October TSH 2.1 > April TSH 9 (low end--especially for me) Nothing in your labs suggest that you are anything more then perhaps still "pre-diabetic". Your A1C is well within non-diabetic limits and your fasting glucose needs to have 2 tests one over 126 on different days. As Julie stated if your thyroid is a bit off that could be the problem with your glucose because your A1C doesn't suggest at all you are diabetic. I'm sure you'll have some smartass remark to make to me because from what I've seen the past year you've really been trying hard to say you are diabetic. Have not a clue why! This is what I've gotten out of reading your past posts... SignatureReisa, T1 dx-5/00 asd-7/00 Animas IR1250 pumper Symlin 1u, 30gm meals >Nothing in your labs suggest that you are anything more then >perhaps still "pre-diabetic". Your A1C is well within non-diabetic >limits and your fasting glucose needs to have 2 tests one over >126 on different days. I don't need the other tests. I've been slowly progressing from a fasting of about 105 to 112 to 114 and now to 127. I had hypoglycemia in HS. I had gestational diabetes. My triglycerides are way off (been creeping up). I believe my HBA1C is so low, because I have two orange trees and I eat a lot of oranges in the winter months. I just read that citrus can bring down the A1C, even if other lipids are high. This is just a theory. My fasting numbers have been low, because I find it very difficult to eat. So, my real fasting was probably higher than 127. It was just a shock to me. I thought I had many more years as a pre-diabetic. >As Julie stated if your thyroid is a bit off >that could be the problem with your glucose because your A1C >doesn't suggest at all you are diabetic. Yes, the thyroid could be causing the elevation. My thyroid went south last August and it took until October for me to ask for an increase. I feel much better with the higher dose, but I'm thinking I really need even more thyroid to counter act the high antibody count. My TSH needs to run around 2.1 and it's .9 right now. My PCP won't take that into account, I'm certain. It isn't in the party line. (there's my smart a.s remark for you) > I'm sure you'll have >some smartass remark to make to me because from what I've >seen the past year you've really been trying hard to say you are >diabetic. Have not a clue why! This is what I've gotten out of >reading your past posts... I have no clue what you are talking about. I get tired of typing pre-diabetic, so sometimes I leave off the "pre". And I don't want to get a lax attitude, so I try to act like a diabetic in order to try to prevent frank diabetes. Lot's of prebee's do this. My recent posts have had nothing to do with diabetes--only talking to some friends. I let my frustrations out on a troll on another group--is that what you are talking about? Nancy > My thyroid went south last August and it took until October for me to > ask for an increase. I feel much better with the higher dose, but I'm > thinking I really need even more thyroid to counter act the high antibody > count. My TSH needs to run around 2.1 and it's .9 right now. If you want your TSH higher, you need *less* medication, if you're talking about levothyroxine (Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc.). How's your T4 doing? Being "hyper" (too much thyroid *hormone*) *can* make it difficult to gain weight (everything races through you -- do you have that sort of problem?). I see elsewhere that you had a thyroid tumor -- was it benign? Did you have anything but surgery for treatment? Was much of the thyroid removed? bj >> My thyroid went south last August and it took until October for me to >> ask for an increase. I feel much better with the higher dose, but I'm >> thinking I really need even more thyroid to counter act the high antibody >> count. My TSH needs to run around 2.1 and it's .9 right now. >If you want your TSH higher, you need *less* medication, if you're talking >about levothyroxine (Levoxyl, Synthroid, etc.). I was definitely confused, still am, but thinking much more clearly today. My psychiatrist monitors my thyroid and he is in China, so I had to see my PCP yesterday. >How's your T4 doing? It was smack in the middle of normal. I was going to say how great this new system is at my HMO, and then it doesn't show my T4 test from last October. LOL >Being "hyper" (too much thyroid *hormone*) *can* make it difficult to gain >weight (everything races through you -- do you have that sort of problem?). No, the weight problem really became a problem when I had food poisoning the fall of 2004--same time I bought my car. :) I was loosing weight and it was too much, but it wasn't a big issue--I stayed over 110. Now my average weight is more like 106--I have never weighed that little. I do have a BMI that is off the scale, so they call it 15. LOL >I see elsewhere that you had a thyroid tumor -- was it benign? Did you have >anything but surgery for treatment? Was much of the thyroid removed? >bj The tumor itself was benign, but there were cancerous nodules all over the place. Since my PCP did not tell me to see the Endo, I think I'll just make my own appointment. I think it's time for another ultra sound on the tumor that is left. I had half (right) my thyroid removed. The goiter was bigger than a baseball and it is what started the constriction problem in my throat. BTW, I almost died. I started hemmoraging in the middle of the night and the on call doctor told them to give me more morphine. I kept telling them that I should not have pain (per my surgeon). My surgeon showed up at about 5 AM and was really pissed off. I was back in surgery by 6 AM. I had a good surgeon. :) Nancy >>Nothing in your labs suggest that you are anything more then >>perhaps still "pre-diabetic". Your A1C is well within non-diabetic [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > A1C, > even if other lipids are high. This is just a theory. What? Oranges are used to bring BG up! So I don't know about that theory. > My fasting numbers have been low, because I find it very difficult to eat. > So, > my real fasting was probably higher than 127. If you have diabetes and you don't eat, this can make your BG higher. This is a problem I have. I have gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach emptying. It's next to impossible for me to eat three meals on most days. I am just not hungry at all. You mentioned the juice in another post. Perhaps this is why the dietician wanted you to have the juice. To keep your BG stable. I don't like juice. For me it's psychological. Had a stomach problem as a teen and got very sick on some grape juice. I eat a few small jelly beans between meals if I need to. They do not make me sick to my stomach and help keep my BG stable. At least for the time being. <snip> >If you have diabetes and you don't eat, this can make your BG higher. This >is a problem I have. I have gastroparesis. That's delayed stomach [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >few small jelly beans between meals if I need to. They do not make me sick >to my stomach and help keep my BG stable. At least for the time being. I know I can learn from you! So a small high carb snack might get me through another hour until I can eat? That's how I used to treat my hypoglycemia! My parents take a long time to do anything. So, often there is an hour or so before we eat or go out for food. I'm also hoping to go back to using the protein drinks. I can't do them everyday--I don't care for the texture and the lumps, because I can't shake the can well enough. LOL I have some great news! My son's SO has two children, 7 and 9. We just found out. I'm an instant Grandma and I'm loving it! :) Nancy > I know I can learn from you! So a small high carb snack might get me > through > another hour until I can eat? That's how I used to treat my hypoglycemia! > My > parents take a long time to do anything. So, often there is an hour or so > before we eat or go out for food. If you had hypoglycemia, chances are it won't go away. You may still have that on top of the diabetes. > I'm also hoping to go back to using the protein drinks. I can't do them > everyday--I don't care for the texture and the lumps, because I can't > shake the > can well enough. LOL Not an option for me because of the food allergies. > I have some great news! My son's SO has two children, 7 and 9. We just > found > out. I'm an instant Grandma and I'm loving it! :) Okay... > Hello all- > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > October HBA1C 5.3 > April 5.4 Nancy, Have you actually discussed these results with your doctor? Maybe I am missing something, but your numbers do not suggest you are diabetic to me. At most, you might be pre-diabetic, but even that is a stretch. I think you are crying for nothing. Talk with your doctor. I do not know what your story is with your HMO, but you don't need to rely entirely on your HMO to maintain your health. Get out and exercise and eat a healthy diet. If you do those things, you might very well be able to stave off diabetes for a few years or perhaps your entire life. I do not know about your LIPID profile, but if you haven't talked with your doctor, you should do so right away. >> Hello all- >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >me. At most, you might be pre-diabetic, but even that is a stretch. I >think you are crying for nothing. Talk with your doctor. Today at 2:30. I needed fortification before I go in. I've been pre-diabetic (prebee) since February 2004. See my other response. >I do not know what your story is with your HMO, but you don't need to >rely entirely on your HMO to maintain your health. Get out and exercise >and eat a healthy diet. If you do those things, you might very well be >able to stave off diabetes for a few years or perhaps your entire life. I'm on a disability retirement and SSDI. I can't afford to seek help outside my HMO. I have Fibromyalgia so my ability to exercise is very limited. I am underweight, still trying to gain at least 10 more pounds. Staving off diabetes was my goal. It didn't work. My fasting this morning was 127. :( >I do not know about your LIPID profile, but if you haven't talked with >your doctor, you should do so right away. That is why I'm seeing him (for what good it will do) today. Hopefully, he will refer me back to my Endocrinologist--who does indeed get me and my goals. Nancy >>> Hello all- >>> [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Nancy Your posts scream of someone with a broken toe thinking they need a hip spica to care for it. RK, t1 >>>> Hello all- >>>> [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > >RK, t1 Look, I told you in my OP that I'm bipolar. How should I react to years and years of being ignored by my doctors? I really liked you, up until today, where you question every thing I've said. I'm an emotional basket case--ok? I'll admit it--I'm wigged out and I know it. I can't do much about it at the moment, because I must stay lucid. Do you have a clue what kind of pain (emotional and physical) I live with every second of the day? Do you have any understanding of people in a different circumstance from you? Someone called me a "nger" today. I'm not going to sit by and have people totally misunderstand me. Look, lady, I'm in a dysphoric manic rage. And quite frankly, I'm in pretty good control of myself. BTW, here are a few more reasons why bg is such a big issue for me: Reynauds in hands and feet already had 6 toenails permanently removed. hypoglycemia starting in HS gestational diabetes thyroid some kind of undiagnosed seizure disorder and lots more Do you have a clue what it is like to force feed yourself? Do you know what it is like to stare at a plate of food that you know you like, but you can't take even one bite? Have you ever lost 35 pounds in two weeks and never be able to gain it back? Do you know what it is like to plan your own suicide? I am not the average person. I'd appreciate it if you took that into account. You could have made that a more positive question and I would have made a more reasonable response. Nancy In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:05:23 -0800 in Msg.# <7nsp23la5tkg6ja47bla88b054sij2f4bc@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> wrote: > Look, I told you in my OP that I'm bipolar. I didn't see anywhere in your earlier post - in this thread, anyway - that you stated that you were bipolar. So, how is 'control' of your bipolar going? I put it in quotes because sometimes it's not so much an issue of controlling it or it controlling you but of learning to live with it & how to accommodate it at certain levels. Do you find that anxiety revs up your manic phase or that your manic phases throw off anxiety as a side issue? I mean, I assume I'm correct that anxiety is a secondary issue to your bipolar, right? > Do you have a clue what kind of pain (emotional and physical) I live with every > second of the day? > > Do you have any understanding of people in a different circumstance from you? I'm sure you know, of course, how many people could say these 2 things. > I am not the average person. I'd appreciate it if you took that into account. I don't think any of us here is the average person. SignatureDonnaB 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2 "As human beings, we have trouble functioning in environments in which we feel threatened. The threat becomes the focus of our existence. But *safety* is one of the great illusions of the universe. Nowhere is truly safe." - Bene Gesserit Study on the Human Condition, BG Archives, Section VZ908, HUNTERS OF DUNE, Brian Herbert & Kevin J. Anderson >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:05:23 -0800 in Msg.# ><7nsp23la5tkg6ja47bla88b054sij2f4bc@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >controlling it or it controlling you but of learning to live with it & how >to accommodate it at certain levels. I was certain I made a quick list of my major issues. I know I did it somewhere. ;) Today, I violated every fiber of my body in my response to rk. I did it on another news group also. I do not act like that anymore. I felt cornered and helpless and I lashed out. I am sorry for that. I lost it earlier today and I'm fully aware of it and willing to admit it. I have not done that in a very long time and usually I don't lash out like that at all. I do other things. I've been in treatment since 1986 and I run a support news group. A recent adjustment in medications has me feeling better than ever. :) >Do you find that anxiety revs up your manic phase or that your manic phases >throw off anxiety as a side issue? I mean, I assume I'm correct that anxiety >is a secondary issue to your bipolar, right? Anxiety is secondary for me. I see no correlation between anxiety and highs and lows--but it happens. I do not get euphoric manias, I get dysphoric manias and they have no fun in them at all. Most of the time, I don't even know I'm anxious, until it is gone. LOL >> Do you have a clue what kind of pain (emotional and physical) I live with every >> second of the day? >> >> Do you have any understanding of people in a different circumstance from you? > >I'm sure you know, of course, how many people could say these 2 things. I know they were really rhetorical. >> I am not the average person. I'd appreciate it if you took that into account. > >I don't think any of us here is the average person. I meant the average diabetic--which of course does not exist. Time to get ready. Nancy In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:08:13 -0800 in Msg.# <oj7q23t6c8the2cgfosi34iojiqhu8u9b9@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> wrote: > >In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:05:23 -0800 in Msg.# > ><7nsp23la5tkg6ja47bla88b054sij2f4bc@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I was certain I made a quick list of my major issues. I know I did it > somewhere. ;) You could certainly have posted it & I didn't see it. SignatureDonnaB 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. ..................09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 ..................12-20-06 hbA1C 5.2 "In the week before their departure to Arrakis, when all the final scurrying about had reached a nearly unbearable frenzy, an old crone came to visit the mother of the boy, Paul." - DUNE, Frank Herbert, 1965, 1st line >>In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:05:23 -0800 in Msg.# >><7nsp23la5tkg6ja47bla88b054sij2f4bc@4ax.com>, Nancy <gnn4everZ@surewest.net> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I was certain I made a quick list of my major issues. I know I did it >somewhere. ;) She remembers lot's of things that didn't happen. And if she can get you to believe her just one time, she'll remember lots more. >Today, I violated every fiber of my body in my response to rk. I did it on >another news group also. I do not act like that anymore. When did you quit? >I felt cornered and helpless and I lashed out. I am sorry for that. You corner yourself, by cultivating an image of you against the world... >I lost it earlier today and I'm fully aware of it and willing to admit it. Yeah, every once in a while you will realize that you have gone too far and try to weasel out of it... >I have not done that in a very long time and usually I don't lash out like that >at all. I do other things. > >I've been in treatment since 1986 and I run a support news group. A recent >adjustment in medications has me feeling better than ever. :) Rather, she ran a support group into the ground. alt.support.depression.manic.moderated is dead. The last moderated just resigned after Nancy's abuse when she was disagreed with. There have been almost no posts there in months..almost half of them mine in fact. Go see. >>Do you find that anxiety revs up your manic phase or that your manic phases >>throw off anxiety as a side issue? I mean, I assume I'm correct that anxiety [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >Nancy She is supposed to be taking anti psychotics but I don't think she is compliant with that...or may be she refused to take them so they gave up and quit prescribing them...it's always been hard to make sense out of anything she says. Nancy, sometimes it's best to ignore some posts if they're causing you stress IMO. You sound like you do have a lot going on and I hope you get some answers from your doctors. Hopefully you get that referral back to your endo sooner than later. Take care. Cheri >I am not the average person. I'd appreciate it if you took that into account. >You could have made that a more positive question and I would have made a more >reasonable response. > >Nancy RK- I am very sorry that I lost it with you. I have no excuse and I won't try to explain it. I would like you to know that what you do in a day would take me over a week, if I was feeling well. Nancy >>>>> Hello all- >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > >Nancy >>Your posts scream of someone with a broken toe thinking they need a >>hip spica to care for it. You've hit the nail on the head. Nancy has always been a drama queen who collects diagnosis...the more the better, because she wants everyone to feel sorry for her. And sure, she's got problems, but the physical ones are the least of it. She's never been med compliant...she knows better than all the doctors what she needs to do...then she blames her continuing problems on them. How are you going to help someone who refuses to follow suggestions? >>RK, t1 >> >Look, I told you in my OP that I'm bipolar. How should I react to years and >years of being ignored by my doctors? Yes Nancy, it is a vast conspiracy...the doctors circulate a back channel email list planning how next to screw you over. I can tell you this now that all their careful planning has come to fruition. They have successfully ruined your life! Bullshit. >I really liked you, up until today, where you question every thing I've said. >I'm an emotional basket case--ok? I'll admit it--I'm wigged out and I know it. >I can't do much about it at the moment, because I must stay lucid. Yes, Nancy really likes people who don't question her. Don't dare question her even when it's obvious she doesn't have a clue and you can't even figure out what she's talking about. Don't dare question her if she's wrong. Just don't do it. Just agree with her no matter what, and keep silent when she's babbling (happens often) and all will be well. She destroyed 2 moderated groups because she didn't allow anyone to question her. 2 moderation teams quit in disgust. All the posters left for a friendlier climate. So what did she do? Found another group where she could whine about all the people who had conspired against her. >Do you have a clue what kind of pain (emotional and physical) I live with every >second of the day? We all have pain, Nancy. How dare you claim your pain is greater than anyone else's? >Do you have any understanding of people in a different circumstance from you? Didn't you mean to say, "Poor pitiful me, no one understands me?" Well news flash, Nancy. Everyone is unique. Everyone has different circumstances. And while I feel compassion for you because you are in pain, you are no more special than anybody else. So quit whining and demanding to be treated special. >Someone called me a "nger" today. I'm not going to sit by and have people >totally misunderstand me. God I would hate being called a "nger"!!! What is that anyway? You can't keep people from misunderstanding you...and it makes things worse that you babble nonsense half the time that people can't understand. Give up the control freak bullshit, Nancy. Anybody wants to check this out, go read the archives of alt.support.depression.manic.moderated, and send a private email to some of the old mods...they'll tell you! Nancy has a long and well documented history of being a control freak. >Look, lady, I'm in a dysphoric manic rage. And quite frankly, I'm in pretty >good control of myself. Christ, how can you reply to nonsense like that? Why don't you instead tell the group that you are going to hold your breath until you turn blue, and that you can do it too, instead of using a word you think no one here understands? >BTW, here are a few more reasons why bg is such a big issue for me: >Reynauds in hands and feet [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >even one bite? Have you ever lost 35 pounds in two weeks and never be able to >gain it back? Whine whine whine. Lots easier to lash out at the world than it is to work on yourself, isn't it Nancy? >Do you know what it is like to plan your own suicide? Oh yes, play the ultimate trump card...I'm sure you've got everyone feeling guilty for daring to question you now. >I am not the average person. I'd appreciate it if you took that into account. >You could have made that a more positive question and I would have made a more >reasonable response. > >Nancy She is not the average person. She needs special treatment. So suck up to her or else she'll go off again. And she'll go to another newsgroup and whine about the way she is being treated here, how she has to break things down into simple terms because the people she deals with every day aren't capable of understanding. Hell, Nancy, a Ph.D can't understand half your sh.t. > Your posts scream of someone with a broken toe thinking they need a > hip spica to care for it. A what? bj >Your posts scream of someone with a broken toe thinking they need a >hip spica to care for it. > >RK, t1 That reminds me of a joke: What do you do if your toe falls off? Call a Toe Truck! LOL > How is he going to even prescribe medication for me? This is so much like a bad > dream that you can't wake yourself from. > > **In the meantime what if the doctor wants me to go on medication, even though > he never gave diet and exercise a chance, because he did not rigorously try to > find someone to help me eat?** Nancy - I ask myself "what if, what if, what if" about the future and even the past all the time. It doesn't help get anything done. You can't prescribe medication for yourself. No doctor is perfect. But if you just sit there worrying and worrying you aren't getting much done at all. Somehow you've diagnosed yourself based on some lab results that don't seem particularly clear-cut to me. Then you start extrapolating to your doc prescribing something, when you apparently fear having something prescribed, when you want something other than a pill prescribed. You're working several steps ahead of the game, my personal advice is to concentrate on the next step (meeting the doctor) and not try to be so so many steps ahead. This doesn't mean you stop educating yourself, but I really feel it will help you narrow your focus about what to educate yourself on. Others will tell you that my attitude is a problem and that I'm wrong. That's OK. I've had this stupid disease 25 years and think that in itself is a success. Others here write me up as a collosal failure because I haven't worried myself into a cure for Type 1 diabetes by now :-). But I've spent way too much time of that 25 years worrying, nevertheless! Tim. >But if you just sit there worrying and worrying you aren't getting >much done at all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >personal advice is to concentrate on the next step (meeting the >doctor) and not try to be so so many steps ahead. If I don't stay ahead of the doctor, he will skip steps that I need and thus anything after that is doomed for failure. I was born at Kaiser and I know how they work. My fear is based on experience. I want a fair chance to explore the effects of diet and exercise. I need help to be able to eat again. I need something (pain medication?) to be able to exercise without torturing myself. I"ve been playing this game for 3 years and I don't think I'm doing as well as I could be. I like to do my best. Nancy > On 23 Apr 2007 05:39:16 -0700, sho...@trailing-edge.com etched permanently into > the ether: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > anything after that is doomed for failure. I was born at Kaiser and I know how > they work. My fear is based on experience. Have you thought about seeing an endo on your own dime? In my experience, a typical checkup doctor visit will cost $100 or so and a more extensive visit a little more. Labs can run several hundred dollars for even a moderate workup (A1C, TSH, basic metabolism) but you already have most of those. > I want a fair chance to explore the effects of diet and exercise. I need help > to be able to eat again. I need something (pain medication?) to be able to > exercise without torturing myself. > > I"ve been playing this game for 3 years and I don't think I'm doing as well as I > could be. I like to do my best. Well, I've been at it for 25 years. Sometimes medications really are necessary. When I was unconscious in DKA coma in the hospital or the EMT's were reviving me from a bad hypo I didn't get much choice! Others here and some (naive) well-wishers and relatives in real life expect me to overcome hypothyroidism and T1 diabetes simply by my own willpower and give up the medication. I don't see how I can but they swear that I can if only I "tried" hard enough. I'm not saying that medications are necessary in your case. Just that there's only so much any person can do by sheer willpower. If that pain medication helps you, so much the better! Tim. >Have you thought about seeing an endo on your own dime? > >In my experience, a typical checkup doctor visit will cost $100 or so >and a more extensive visit a little more. Labs can run several hundred >dollars for even a moderate workup (A1C, TSH, basic metabolism) but >you already have most of those. I have very good insurance (Kaiser). They have no shortage of Endo's, but there are few Endo's around here that are practicing. I have a good relationship with my Endo. I don't need a referral--I just need to pick up the phone and call. Not an easy task for me. I can't just make a phone call--the situation has to be right. Yup, it's psychological--partly anxiety. Nancy > Hello all- > > <big vent> > > After fighting my HMO over my eating problems for over a year and a half, and > totally loosing, I am now a frank diabetic. GD KAISER! Nancy, you have my sympathy...fibro and diabetes is definitely a sucky combo. Take a deep breath and do what you can with what they give you...and keep the faith. You know yourself best and I hope you can keep the doctors from pushing you around. hugs, kitten Thank you, kitten. :) Nancy >> Hello all- >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >kitten >Hello all- > ><big vent> {{{{Nancy}}}} Sorry the slope finally tipped : ( Also, I see I'm late enough reading this that you're at the quack's now, hope that goes well! I hope that's point-9 on the TSH, not 9-point-nought - if the former, you need to slack off a bit on the thyroxine, not increase it, if you're getting hyperthyroid symptoms. Did you get free T3/T4 readings too? Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25 Hi Nicky-- Ready for an update? LOL Trying to calm myself, I made a list of possibilities: Refer to the Endo--nope refer to a dietician--nope refer to classes--nope (already took them all) change in thyroid meds--nope start diabetes medication--nope wait another 4 months--ding ding ding ding--that's what I got more strips--surprise surprise--he is giving me 200 strips/month with an open prescription--progress There has been a definite change in attitude since last summer. He didn't care that my triglyceride were high--he attributed it to a large red meat meal I'd had a few days before. So, eat fish before you do your labs. :) So, I got lots of strips and take more tests in July. Woopee! LOL I see my psychiatrist in a couple of weeks and he tracks my thyroid. Yes, the TSH was point nine. Yicks! Nancy >>Hello all- >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >D&E, 100ug thyroxine >Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25 > There has been a definite change in attitude since last summer. He didn't care > that my triglyceride were high--he attributed it to a large red meat meal I'd > had a few days before. So, eat fish before you do your labs. :) Nancy, carbs go up in response to carbohydrate consumption, not red meat consumption, unless you ate massive amounts. > So, I got lots of strips and take more tests in July. Woopee! LOL This is a GOOD thing. Susan > There has been a definite change in attitude since last summer. He didn't > care > that my triglyceride were high--he attributed it to a large red meat meal I'd > had a few days before. So, eat fish before you do your labs. :) Huh? Triglycerides usually tend to reflect carb consumption. Priscilla >Hi Nicky-- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Refer to the Endo--nope Bad >refer to a dietician--nope Neutral - you'd need to find a good one, a bad one would be worse than useless... >refer to classes--nope (already took them all) You could probably teach them : ) >change in thyroid meds--nope Probably a good call, with the TSH & T4 readings where they are >start diabetes medication--nope You're probably too skinny for metformin to do its major job. >wait another 4 months--ding ding ding ding--that's what I got >more strips--surprise surprise--he is giving me 200 strips/month with an open >prescription--progress OK - conservative but generous : ) Well, the strips are good. And you have been making a bit of progress - I remember you being pleased when you made 105 lbs. >There has been a definite change in attitude since last summer. He didn't care >that my triglyceride were high--he attributed it to a large red meat meal I'd >had a few days before. So, eat fish before you do your labs. :) Trigs are carb re |
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