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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2007Nicky and Others
Thanks for your posts. I am an old bum but I do understand that speculation is easy but does not produce any good results. I have always respected Jennifer's posts. Why be critical if you are speculating. Bar room level interchanges does not produce much to diabetic knowledge. Anyone so smart about diabetes should be cured and does not need the group. Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth. I elect to slow the process and to reduce the discomfort as much as possible. That is done by pursuing every lead and working to gathering information. I know of no other method. I owe thanks to those that contribute reasonable and useful knowledge. Now to show my age. I hate the use of our illness to get rich. I will continue to make remarks on what I perceive as a defective system in many aspects. Diabetics are in a leaky boat, we need to work to work together to make our lot better. We do not need malcontents, were at least a couple do not have diabetes but are cruising the Internet Guy Guy. I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its authenticity (this morning phenenon)? > Thanks for your posts. I am an old bum but I do > understand that speculation is easy but does not produce any [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption > =---- First, the group has no structure. This is good and bad. As far as morning effect, it does exist but not in all people. There are many causes for high blood sugar. I have little morning effect but I do have gross glucose releases and over the years they have been covered. It might be wise to go to the archives and read until you are bored. I get glucose releases if I lack insulin. I ASSUME it is my cells sensing starvation due to lack of insulin and my system is trying to correct it. There are several causes of glucose "releases". The blood glucose system in normal people is an exact mechanism with several components. Diabetes may involve several of these control mechanisms. No easy answers that are of value. Just dictionary entries. I had to find what was going on and make adjustment to arrive at a satisfactory method. It was nit easy but it allowed me to exist in relative comfort. I did lose one leg in the "jungle' of poor treatment and lack of knowledge. I nave no real answer but hope I nudge people in the right direction. All I know is my case and not enough about it. The collective knowledge, with reasonable consideration of the source, is the best way to go. Strong advocates are questionable sources. Al I can offer here. You have diabetes and have to deal with it. But RELAX and LIVE. Guy >I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or >her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups >----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- > I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or > her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended > up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its > authenticity (this morning phenenon)? snip guy's post Here's a decent lay explanation http://health.yahoo.com/ency/healthwise/tk3380 It also covers Somogyi effect, which this group calls a "liver dump" or rebound. My endo finds the term liver dump so hilarious she's started using it herself! Vicki >> I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or >> her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Vicki Most oldies here are very familiar with the terms. Now tell me what purpose do they serve? I am one that is grossly affected by the defective glucose mechanism. Until I managed to understand the mechanisms in exact simple terms, they were useless to me. Believe it or not, years ago I did generate technical reports. My boss demanded that we define any term on its first use in a report. I probably was an early one to use the junk "Liver dump" term. This is a more inclusive term and people seemed to understand it. A more important issue is the "glucose control" system. I have seen so many poor explanations of parts of our problem. When I finally was informed properly on it. was I able to make sense of my blood glucose reading and plan corrective actions.. I used to see readings like 800 for four hours that occurred for no known reason. All kinds of buzz words. When I finally found out it was caused by insulin levels called basal going low.. A corrective action was to maintain a insulin level of over one unit per hour around the clock.. NPH did not last as long as advertised. I switched to taking regular insulin very three hours around the clock. Then Charles Evans told me his Endo was using Lantus. I had a battle getting the needed prescription. Started slowly, and shortly was able to get a nights sleep. The crap about this insulin abounded. I had the motivation to pursue the subject. Recently a doc suggested I use a split dose. In my case Lantus lasts a bit over 24 hours so all that would do was to create a peak and two levels in the 24 hour period. For a few it might be a solution. On and on. I prefer to not be so specific that might mislead a person. ****** Use a GOOD Endo for exact advice.****** KISS is a good policy as long as it conveys good information.preferably in use simple terms. KISS Keep it simple Stupid. In my working days I was technically competent but prefered to ake it easy to understand ,not formal.exercise.. Guy This is my iopinion and I never claimed to have the answers. An answer is what conveys information in terms a person can use. Latin or medical jargon fails so often. For example I had Osteomylitis. All that says is bone inflammation. I already knew that. I hope this offends no one It is not intended to do that. Dumb old Guy >>> I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or >>> her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended [quoted text clipped - 88 lines] > > Dumb old Guy Dumb? Don't put yourself down Guy. Great post. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Athens and The Adriatic : I can't name the morning phenenon, nor do I know anything about Jennifer, or : her posts, but when I first loaded this group recently, I immediately ended : up finding out more about it. Is there some speculation about its : authenticity (this morning phenenon)? When I first started at teh diabetic clinic som e10 years ago, I saw a RN diabetes educator who explained many things to me, inculding an account of the dawn (or morning ) phenomenon. It was explained to me as the result of changes in the body that occurred prior to walking ot prepare the body to face the increased energy needed to wake up nand get gin gin the morning. In nrmal peole there is a release of glucogon from the liver which stimulates the pancreas to produce more insulin so the cells have more energy available to do the work of being awake and running around. In a diabetic this insulin is not forthcomin in sufficient quantities or the insulin resistance prevents the glucagod to be absorbed byt the insulin so the blood sugar numbers go up. thi is th edawn phenomenon as I learned it from a professional diabetes educator. Wendy > Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth. > > Guy It is me too Guy. At least you try though to be healthy and I do admire you for that. I dread the day I sign on and you are no longer here. You have always been very important to me. I wish I could meet you in person but the distance keeps me from it. Keep trying Guy. People like me need people like you. >> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > but the distance keeps me from it. Keep trying Guy. People like me need > people like you. That was well said, Diana! I've been on mhd and more recently on asd for over ten years, and I look at Guy as part of the furniture - a very necessary furniture I'd miss if it stopped posting. Tell ya what, Guy - I'll race ya! See who goes first! Jokes aside - I hope it's not you - you're just too useful. You're also a moderating influence on the newsgroups. Henry M. >>> Diabetes is slowly killing me and that is the truth. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Henry M. Yes he sure is and along with many others here. List too long but this group is a never ending extended family. I feel very close to many here. >Diabetics are in a leaky boat, we need to work >to work together to make our lot better. Yes, Guy... but, the boat is floating right now. More is being done for diabetics at present than at any other time in history. And yes, you are a pioneer. Thank you, Guy, for blazing the path for all the rest of us coming along... Will, T2 |
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