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Scientists Say Dieting does not work
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morris - 12 Apr 2007 08:55 GMT http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422
We all srt of knew this, but the summary is pretty good. Key phrase: dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future weight gain." ******************************************************************* Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work 10 Apr 2007
US scientists conducting a comprehensive review of dieting research have concluded that dieting does not work.
The study is published in the April edition of American Psychologist, the journal of the American Psychological Association.
Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA), reviewed 31 long-term studies lasting between 2 to 5 years.
UCLA associate professor of psychology and lead author of the study, Traci Mann said:
"You can initially lose 5 to 10 percent of your weight on any number of diets, but then the weight comes back."
"We found that the majority of people regained all the weight, plus more," she added.
The researchers found a very small minority of study participants managed to sustain weight loss, while the majority put all the weight back on, and more in the longer term.
"Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the majority of people," said Dr Mann.
Dr Mann and colleagues sought to determine the long term effects of dieting and address the question "Would they have been better off to not go on a diet at all?".
So they analyzed every study they could find that followed people on diets for 2 to 5 years. Studies that take less than 2 years are "too short to show whether dieters have regained the weight they lost," they said.
They discovered that it would have been better for most of them if they had not gone on a diet at all.
"Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their bodies would not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining it all back," explained Dr Mann.
Their findings show that:
-- People on diets typically lose 5 to 10 per cent of their weight in the first 6 months. -- But 33 to 66 per cent regain more than what they lose within 4 to 5 years.
Dr Mann and colleagues suspect the real situation is actually even worse; the figures do not really reflect reality, making diet studies look better than they are. They say there are a number of reasons for this:
-- Many participants phone or mail their results in themselves, without an impartial assessor. -- A lot of studies have a below 50 per cent follow up rate; and the people who put on a lot of weight are less likely to stay in touch.
UCLA graduate student of psychology and co-author of the study, Janet Tomiyama said that "Several studies indicate that dieting is actually a consistent predictor of future weight gain."
One study in particular that they looked at found that men and women who took part in a weight reduction programme gained significantly more weight than those who did not over the same period of time.
Tomiyama mentioned another study, this time looking at links between lifestyle and weight in 19,000 healthy older men over four years. This study found that, "One of the best predictors of weight gain over the four years was having lost weight on a diet at some point during the years before the study started," she said.
Also, in many studies with control groups, the people in the control group very often were better off than the participants who dieted.
Dr Mann suggests that eating in moderation and exercise do make a difference. Although they were not looking at exercise in particular, Dr Mann said that:
"Exercise may well be the key factor leading to sustained weight loss. Studies consistently find that people who reported the most exercise also had the most weight loss."
One study following obese patients discovered that:
-- Among those followed for under 2 years, 23 per cent of patients had regained their weight loss. -- Among those followed for more than 2 years, 83 per cent had regained their weight loss.
Another study found that 50 per cent of dieters weighed 11 pounds (5 kilos) more than their starting weight 5 years after their diet.
Among the health hazards of repeated weight loss and regain are cardiovascular disease, stroke, diabetes and altered immune function, said Dr Mann and colleagues.
They said more research is needed on the effects of weight loss and regain on health, and say scientists do not fully understand the underlying factors involved in this complex relationship.
Dr Mann quoted her mother, who herself has tried to diet many times, without success. Dr Mann's mother said her daughter's findings were "obvious".
Although this study reviewed 31 long term dieting projects, they did not look into specific diets.
The researchers are of the opinion that weight loss programmes are not good value for money in the treatment of obesity.
"The benefits of dieting are too small and the potential harm is too large for dieting to be recommended as a safe, effective treatment for obesity," said Dr Mann.
Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled, from 15 to 31 per cent of the population.
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 12 Apr 2007 09:19 GMT > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 > [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled, > from 15 to 31 per cent of the population. Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp
Suggested reading:
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May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
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Pastor Kutchie, Earthquack's nemesis - 12 Apr 2007 10:50 GMT On Apr 12, 9:19 am, "Humpty Dumpty" <lov...@thetruth.com> sat on a wall and wrote:
> >http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > 10 Apr 2007 > <snip> Humpty Dumpty...
> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet: ...had a great fall:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/diet
July 31st will be a significant day for you, Earthquack.
Kurt Gavin - 12 Apr 2007 15:09 GMT "Andrew B. muChung, MDemon/
>> Between 1980 and 2000, the proportion of obese Americans has doubled, >> from 15 to 31 per cent of the population. Advertising works; making food tasty by using lots of fat and sugar also works.
> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet: Yet more xian "truth" from the muChung demon.
Mu - 13 Apr 2007 00:24 GMT Oh No, Atkins gets his teeth kicked in again. The low-carbers too, another way to play around with the overconsumption game, now we will need a new alt.support. diet group, let's call it alt.support.diet.thetruthhurtsrealbadwhatgameislefttoplaynow soIcanstilltrytoloseweightandeatwhateverIwant
>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 >> [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > > Andrew <>< Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Apr 2007 00:58 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > alt.support.diet.thetruthhurtsrealbadwhatgameislefttoplaynow > soIcanstilltrytoloseweightandeatwhateverIwant Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in their hearts about hunger:
(1) Hunger is like a red warning indicator light.
(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is like a warning buzzer.
(3) Hunger means it is time to eat because energy levels are low.
Just as a person with a buzzing red low fuel warning light going off in his/her car is immediately compelled to focus on refueling until this light goes out, a person who believes in his/her heart that hunger is like such a light in his/her car will be irresistibly compelled to immediately focus on eating until s/he stops being hungry and will imagine physical weakness/fatigue while hungry.
On the other hand, here is the truth about hunger:
(1) Hunger is a reassuring green light.
(2) The growling sounds of the stomach during hunger is a reassuring sound like the sounds of a throaty large displacement engine.
(3) Hunger means "all systems go" and "two thumbs up."
Just as a shuttle astronaut is emboldened to ignite rocket engines when reassured by green "all systems go" lights, a person who knows in his heart that hunger means the same thing feels both bolder and stronger when hungry.
Bolder and stronger people do not need support groups.
May GOD continue to bless you making you hungrier than you have ever been in you life.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
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In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
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Mu - 13 Apr 2007 01:12 GMT >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Andrew <>< That's good stuff there, Chung.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Apr 2007 01:39 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > That's good stuff there, Chung. All praise and glory redirected to GOD so that we will both be blessed thereby making us even hungrier.
It remains my choice to continue to receive the guidance of the Holy Spirit in everything I say, do, and write.
May HE continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ infinitely more, dear brother Mu whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
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Father Haskell - 13 Apr 2007 04:17 GMT On Apr 12, 8:39 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> All praise and glory redirected to GOD so that we will both be blessed > thereby making us even hungrier. 2PD of Liquid Plumr.
Father Haskell - 13 Apr 2007 04:16 GMT On Apr 12, 7:58 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <ach...@emorycardiology.com> wrote:
> Support groups would become obsolete if folks would come to realize > their being overweight happens because of the three lies they have in > their hearts about hunger (snip)
2PD of Drano (tm)
Will Brink - 16 Apr 2007 14:56 GMT > >> ******************************************************************* > >> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work > >> 10 Apr 2007 It does not say anything of the sort. It says most people fail to follow diets long term, not that diets dont work. There is a HUGE difference between them. This has been known a long time and confirmed again recently. Compliance is everything. From a recent article called "The Big Picture of Permanent Weight Loss"
"...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The lead researcher of this recent study stated:
³Our trial found that adherence level rather than diet type was the primary predictor of weight loss²(3)
Translated, it¹s not which diet they chose per se, but their ability to actually stick to a diet that predicted their weight loss success."
Cont:
http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3
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Mu - 16 Apr 2007 20:45 GMT >>>> ******************************************************************* >>>> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://www.brinkzone.com/articledetails.php?aid=102&acatid=3 Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10. As far as I am concerned, if a diet is so compliant-oriented to begin, then the diet is to blame. Hence, dieting doesn't work.
The other argument is that any dieter who knowingly takes on such a diet, and continually repeats the same dieting choice/plan mistake may be too dumb to ever learn how to control consumption.
Will Brink - 17 Apr 2007 14:23 GMT > >>>> ******************************************************************* > >>>> Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Most diets require a compliance factor of 9.9 on the scale of 10. That of course is false and based on your opinion vs any physiology or data per say. Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the school or you? End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it. Article above covers the needed info.
> As far > as I am concerned, if a diet is so compliant-oriented to begin, Life is compliant oriented.
>then the > diet is to blame. Hence, dieting doesn't work. I see logic and science are not your strong point.
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Mu - 17 Apr 2007 15:12 GMT >>> "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The >>> lead researcher of this recent study stated: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > That of course is false and based on your opinion vs any physiology or > data per say. It's not false because the opinion has no data, empirically it is easy to see that the mainstream diets, most require significant reading, comprehension, journaling and/or monitoring, counting of cals or carbs or whatever (all of which is rarely accurate by the dieter), weighing, supplementation and on and on and on. Since we are talking about success as in a lifetime, these diets are built to induce noncompliance not obtain it.
Why? Because you can't as easily sell something simple such as a high compliance WOE as the 2PDiet.
> Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in > life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the > school or you? You but who goes to school for life?
> End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it. That's the whole point, if there were such things, there would be more compliance and less obese. It's not just the people, it's the diets themselves which are co-contributors to the problem ofcompliance.
> Article above covers the needed info. 2PDiet covers everything I need.
Will Brink - 17 Apr 2007 22:56 GMT > >>> "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The > >>> lead researcher of this recent study stated: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > It's not false because the opinion has no data, It is false AND based on no data. I didn't say it was false due to lack of data.
>empirically it is easy > to see that the mainstream diets, most require significant reading, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > as in a lifetime, these diets are built to induce noncompliance not > obtain it. Depending on which diet, the above is often true, yes. Regardless, compliance to some form of calorie restriction is what's needed to lose weight.
> Why? Because you can't as easily sell something simple such as a high > compliance WOE as the 2PDiet. In most cases, simple is often best, at least in the beginning and depending on goals.
> > Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in > > life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the > > school or you? > > You but who goes to school for life? Who diets for life? Eating well to control your weight after reaching a target weight is not dieting. If you are dieting for life, you are doing something wrong. Human physiology being what it is, one can't simply eat what ever we want, thus at least some control is required as it is for all things in life.
> > End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it. > > That's the whole point, if there were such things, there would be more > compliance and less obese. It's not just the people, it's the diets > themselves which are co-contributors to the problem ofcompliance. Depends on the diet. One can come up with a very simple diet thats easy to follow, though it may not be healthy, etc.
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Mu - 18 Apr 2007 09:36 GMT On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 17:56:42 -0400, in sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.diet,alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.nutrition you wrote:
>>>>> "...the number one reason diets fail, which is a lack of compliance. The >>>>> lead researcher of this recent study stated: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > It is false AND based on no data. I didn't say it was false due to lack of data. Then produce the data that makes it false.
>>empirically it is easy >> to see that the mainstream diets, most require significant reading, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > In most cases, simple is often best, at least in the beginning and > depending on goals. Best doesn't sell and revenue drives the diets of the populace, Will.
>>> Yes, compliance is important, as it is for everything in >>> life. If you don't study in school, and fail, this is the fault of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > what ever we want, thus at least some control is required as it is for all > things in life. Semantical argument over the use of the term "diet", you must have learned this attitude from Chung lol
All commercial diets ultimately evolve into a maintenance stage where eating this or that over time will = no weight gain. hence, once on a diet, the maintenance phase is part of the "diet". Now if you want to say "I'm off my diet", then either you skipped the last chapters or you are making the word "diet" to mean only the weight loss periods. Fine with me, I got off the 2Pound Diet when I hit an optimum weight.
>>> End of the day, find a diet you can follow and follow it. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Depends on the diet. One can come up with a very simple diet thats easy to > follow, though it may not be healthy, etc. Sure, the Ten Ton Air Diet for one.
> spam removed. Spam redacted, now returned.
"2PDiet covers everything I need."
What's your problem with the 2PDiet?
Father Haskell - 13 Apr 2007 04:13 GMT On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet: 2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke.
Diva - 13 Apr 2007 17:51 GMT > On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> > wrote: > > > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet: > > 2PD of Mentos (tm) and diet coke. Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle-- Hiccup
Diva
DonnaB shallotpeel - 13 Apr 2007 21:09 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on 13 Apr 2007 09:51:11 -0700 in Msg.# <1176483071.122783.177940@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, "Diva" <c.frilegh@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > On Apr 12, 4:19 am, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Two pounds of Pinot Noir and a caper or olive. It's a lifestyle-- > Hiccup Oh, no, what a dilemma. Someone I read in another NG, posting here to someone replying to a troll in massive inappropriate cross-post! What to do, what to do, ...
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 13 Apr 2007 21:57 GMT > > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Oh, no, what a dilemma. Someone I read in another NG, posting here to someone > replying to a troll in massive inappropriate cross-post! What to do, what to do, Rethink your unwise choice to engage in name-calling.
"Name-calling is lying." -- Holy Spirit
Amen.
"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." -- GOD (Revelation 21:8)
Amen.
The brethren of LORD Jesus Christ are not perfect though with HIS help, we have stopped sinning.
"With man this is impossible but with GOD all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 19:26)
Amen.
More importantly, we are forgiven:
http://InterviewWithGOD.com/Forgiven
Marana tha
Prayerfully in Jesus' ever-lasting love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com
May HIS immortal brethren pray for our dying mortal friends and neighbors: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts
In memory of our dearly departed Bob(this one) Pastorio: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts/Bob
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love
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Kurt Gavin - 13 Apr 2007 22:40 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MDemon luvs Reverend TediBare Haggard
> Rethink your unwise choice to engage in name-calling. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Amen.
>When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the > end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who >bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. >But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who >broke the >contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must
>treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife,
>he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her >as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may >leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
>Amen Father Haskell - 13 Apr 2007 23:38 GMT On Apr 13, 4:57 pm, "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <l...@thetruth.com> wrote:
> > > convicted neighbor Haskell wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Amen. 2PD of gorilla snot.
Kurt Gavin - 14 Apr 2007 00:53 GMT "Andrew B. Chung, MDemon" <loves@lying.com>
2 pds of donuts, daily.
Mr. Natural-Health - 14 Apr 2007 12:03 GMT There! That got rid of all the garbage. :)
STOP eating and you will starve to death.
Ergo, dieting does work.
Just thought that this MORON might want to know.
luis - 15 Apr 2007 23:07 GMT >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 >> [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > The Official SMC FAQ List: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in patients behavior and not in diet itself. Antonio L Rodrigues
Nutritionist
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Apr 2007 00:32 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > > > > http://abchung.livejournal.com/986.html?thread=16090#t16090
> I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in > patients behavior and not in diet itself. It is scientific work because it is application of the scientific method.
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
luis - 16 Apr 2007 01:05 GMT I repeat I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in patients behavior and not in diet itself.
Antonio L Rodrigues Nutritionist
truth@salt-savor.com - 16 Apr 2007 02:49 GMT > > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet: In every way but the obfuscation by which its trash science truth claims are made, it is in all respects a diet plan of the goal to lose weight by calorie intake modification. Sadly, it is such trash science one can as easily gain weight as lose it by ones choice of two pounds of what to eat and compounded in error by not adding exercise as a vital factor in all long term weight loss and maintenance.
Truth is truth, and the truth here is simple.
May God bless you.
luis - 16 Apr 2007 00:04 GMT >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 >> [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > The Official SMC FAQ List: > http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheTruth/FAQ I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in patients behavior and not in diet itself. Antonio L Rodrigues
Nutritionist
percy - 16 Apr 2007 13:22 GMT > I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in > patients behavior and not in diet itself. > Antonio L Rodrigues > > Nutritionist Kookle Search Results
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 16 Apr 2007 17:17 GMT > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 [quoted text clipped - 134 lines] > I do not consider this a scientific work, because it is based in > patients behavior and not in diet itself. That which is based on the scientific method is scientific work by definition.
This would not be a matter of opinion.
Truth is simple.
May GOD bless you.
Prayerfully in Jesus' awesome love,
Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love/TheTruth
truth@squad.com - 16 Apr 2007 18:53 GMT "> > Thankfully, the 2PD-OMER Approach is not a diet:"
Well said, the two pound diet is trash science which can cause a weight loss or a weight gain depending on the accident of what one chooses to consume in the two pounds.
It leaves the user at a disadvantage because it ignores the vital role of exercise in weight status. It can even be dangerous to ones health because it ignores consideration of the nutrition of what one chooses to put in the two pound diet fare.
Mu - 16 Apr 2007 20:46 GMT >> As a sensible person, I eat nutricious food daily, in fact, the same >> foods I used to eat before starting this food regimen, just smaller [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The two pound diet is based on trash science in its truth claims. Did anyone get any idea what this joker just waffled?
true@isbetter.com - 16 Apr 2007 22:09 GMT "Did anyone get any idea what this joker just waffled?"
Sure both of us got it, that is why you try to divert from the truth that the tewo pound diet is trash science.
If by accident one chooses fewer calories then required for two pounds one will lose weight. If one chooses more calories then required then one will gain weight.
All the while the equally important factors of exercise and the nutritional value of what one is eating to gain or lose weight is ignored.
Truth is simple.
God bless.
Mu - 17 Apr 2007 09:12 GMT >> As a sensible person, I eat nutricious food daily, in fact, the same >> foods I used to eat before starting this food regimen, just smaller [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > The two pound diet is based on trash science in its truth claims. Did anyone get any idea what this joker just waffled?
Shawn Hirn - 12 Apr 2007 13:10 GMT > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67422 > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > "Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the > majority of people," said Dr Mann. Right. That's because a diet is a temporary thing in the eyes of most people. To keep weight off after losing it, you need to change your entire approach to food, eating, and your lifestyle.
This is where Weight Watchers excels. Weight Watchers extols the idea of a healthy lifestyle, not a temporary change in the foods one eats. The trouble is, even finding the will power to change one's lifestyle to embrace healthier eating and exercise requires a lifelong commitment that many people cannot or are unwilling to meet.
Witchy Way - 12 Apr 2007 22:24 GMT <<Right. That's because a diet is a temporary thing in the eyes of most people. To keep weight off after losing it, you need to change your entire approach to food, eating, and your lifestyle. >>
i have had people say to me, "you look great & have lost weight! how did yo do it?" my answer: i was diagnosed as diabetic
then i'll hear, "...well, i'm diabetic too! i gained more weight!"
i understand that injected insulin can increase weight gain.however, when i am looking at 315 lb women...trust me...its not the insulin thats causing weight gain.
duh. they don't get it. they cover their carbs with more shots. they've told me this is how i know. their weight gain has often been the result of laziness to the point of being to fat to walk & putting themselves in a wheelchair
when one becomes diabetic everything thing changes. if we dont change with it we will be looking at some pretty horrible results
my sister went blind, had dialysis & eventually died from complications of diabetes.
i think people are blaise (sp) because they think it wont happen to them.
they ask...how do you stick to a diet & i tell them the truth: FEAR
Alan S - 12 Apr 2007 14:37 GMT >Scientists Say Dieting Does Not Work It's fascinating how a word can change in meaning. A diet used to be just the description of what you eat. You can see the gradual change in the progression of Webster's definitions: http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=diet a : food and drink regularly provided or consumed b : habitual nourishment c : the kind and amount of food prescribed for a person or animal for a special reason d : a regimen of eating and drinking sparingly so as to reduce one's weight <going on a diet>
Dieting as described in "a" or "b", to regularly or habitually consume food and drink, obviously does work or we'd all starve to death. So in that sense the sensational headline is wrong. But slowly we've come to think of dieting as definition "d" and eating "sparingly" doesn't work because it is unnatural for the human animal to do that as a way of life forever.
I think "way of eating" is a better term for how I intend to eat for the rest of my life, not just to achieve a short-term goal. I think I first saw it used by Bernstein in his book on diabetes. I slowly changed my way of eating continuously since diagnosis; first to lose weight, then to minimise BG spikes, then to ensure that I was getting the best nutrition possible without gaining back the weight or jeopardising blood glucose control.
But to be sustainable, the way of eating has to not only satisfy nutritional needs but our other social and psychological needs: to be able to eat in company comfortably; to be able to munch absently on something while we think; to have "comfort food" occasionally without guilt. The only way to achieve that is to train oneself over time to the point where we like what is appropriate for our needs and no longer crave what is inappropriate. That does not happen overnight and may never happen for some - but, in my opinion, it is the only way to change a way of eating permanently.
I'm only part of the way there myself. But it's amazing what I learnt to like, and dislike, once I accepted that my life does depend on it. Just as an example, I now look on something like mud-cake in the same way that someone with a sea-food allergy would look on lobster. Not that I think it's bad food - just bad for me. So I no longer want it and I don't feel deprived at all. As Jennifer puts it - it's not that I can't have it, it's that I don't want it. Mind games? Maybe; but possibly life-saving mind-games if you can learn to play them over time.
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morris - 13 Apr 2007 08:50 GMT Alan,
What a cool summary, and extrememly well put! Please post that in the "other place as well", in the thread on this started by cafa...
Morris
> On 12 Apr 2007 00:55:32 -0700, "morris" > [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ > latest: Athens and The Adriatic Alan S - 13 Apr 2007 10:04 GMT >Alan, > >What a cool summary, and extrememly well put! Please post that in the >"other place as well", in the thread on this started by cafa... > >Morris Thanks Morris, will do.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Athens and The Adriatic
Paul L - 12 Apr 2007 14:42 GMT Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people.
I think we already knew that, but it's nice that researchers were kept busy on this project :-)
cheers
Paul
BJ in Texas - 12 Apr 2007 18:14 GMT || Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people. || [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] || || Paul Makes one wonder how much that caused the taxpayers.
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DonnaB shallotpeel - 12 Apr 2007 18:49 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:53 GMT in Msg.# <hOtTh.16300$Um6.9184@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, "BJ in Texas" <nospam189-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> || Well the study says dieting doesn't work for MOST people. > || [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Makes one wonder how much that caused the taxpayers. Or a private foundation that funds research ...
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Ozgirl - 12 Apr 2007 21:48 GMT > In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 12 Apr 2007 17:14:53 GMT in Msg.# > <hOtTh.16300$Um6.9184@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>, "BJ in Texas" [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Or a private foundation that funds research ... Perhaps they should research on what types of people have better willpower than others because the biggest part of any diet is willpower.
DonnaB shallotpeel - 13 Apr 2007 21:22 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 13 Apr 2007 06:48:26 +1000 in Msg.# <131t6p22s7qpg1f@news.supernews.com>, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote:
> Perhaps they should research on what types of people have better willpower > than others because the biggest part of any diet is willpower. I would have to disagree with that. In general, I think considering willpower a major factor in just about anything is a serious oversimplification of things that are really fairly complicated. A person could be Mr. or Miz Willpower 2007 & mastering the ability to eat the way they needed to could still be elusive, a process, and something a long time coming.
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Loretta Eisenberg - 12 Apr 2007 14:57 GMT I am a case in point. from the time I lost fifty pounds in the sixties and weighed 125, I gained and lost about 200 pounds not all at one time. The only way I have been able to lose weight and maintain it was being diagnosed with diabetes. I am too afraid of the consequences not to adhere to a way of eating and a way of life.
I am sure that many have had my experiences.
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