Hi Kurt, and Hannah

Hannah, please ignore the spat between Kurt and myself. We
have a history; I am a type 2 who offers suggestions based
on my "amateur" personal experience and reading, he is a
type 1 who has a problem with anyone other than qualified
doctors offering any suggestions to anyone with a medical
condition. We will never agree - so please do not let our
dispute interfere with your need. I am sorry it intruded
into your thread, but I'll answer it here. No need to read
further, you are just the meat in the sandwich here, and I
really apologise for that.

Kurt, I was not answering just this question about appetite.
"For God's sake"? No, and not even for your sake. But for
newby type 2's sake I'll clarify why I answered as I did.

In earlier posts Hannah has written:

"I am asking because I was diagnosed as being borderline for
type 2...my Mom had it..I have a friend who takes insulin
shots and I sit for a man who takes 4 a day...he is in bad
shape...my question is a two parter.. !. Why do the doctors
want you to take the shot before you eat?
2. Seems people who take insulin do not want to eat? Why
not?"
and:
"I posted a question yesterday and I don't see it...wonder
why it didn't show up?
I need help understanding this disease...and how it
works...do you take your shot before or after you  eat?
Do you have trouble with no appetite afterwards? Thanks!"
and now:
"Thanks for your answer...I could not find my original
question...I am asking this question about the appetite
because I am concerned that I may soon need to take shots
and I need to understand how it works..could any of you who
take shots and who feel that you are not hungry afterwards
and if you think the shot causes you not to be hungry.."

From that I understood the following:

1. She is diagnosed with pre-diabetes and her Mother is a
diagnosed type 2.

2. She is worried about insulin - but she does not take it
and fears that she may have to. Additionally, she is
misinformed on the effects of insulin on diet. It is
possible she is confusing the effects of insulin and Byetta.

3. If she does start insulin she wants information on timing
of shots and meals - however that question is really
irrelevant at the moment, because she doesn't take it and as
a pre-diabetic is unlikely to in the near future.

4. Her questions show a need for information on
self-treatment of pre-diabetes, not insulin use. As she
said: "I need help understanding this disease".

5. Her questions also imply a poor knowledge of the way diet
and type 2 diabetes are inter-related.

Therefore, I provided the best information I have to hand
for pre-diabetes, testing and diet - Jennifer's advice and
my own blog. You disagree, but on that point I consider your
low opinion of Jennifer's advice less than worthless. Your
opinion of mine is obvious.

Later, depending on her answers, I would add Gretchen
Becker's book, either the pre-diabetes one or First Year
Type 2, but of course Gretchen is only a "Patient Expert"
and thus her advice is worthless in your opinion. In my lay
opinion every doctor treating a type 2 should have her books
on his shelf to lend to patients - and to read for
themselves.

Since then Hannah responded to others in another thread
with:

"Thank you for all of your answers...I will read all of the
information and get back to you..about me..
I am 63 weight 176  Height 5'8" , high Colest. , HBP got
that down with the help of a diuretic and St John's Wort,
working on the colest..after 40 yrs of daily stress and bad
nutrition my body is showing it..until 4 yrs ago when I
crushed my sciatica nerve I could bent over from my knees  
and place my palms flat on the floor..
always in good shape until now...I have to eat every 5 hrs
during the day or I will get sick, I have to have at least
protein two times a day...I am eating more raw vegetables
now that I can afford it.
rarely eat anything sweet or want it..do not drink sodas or
sweet tea...I do eat 1 tablespoon of honey a day...I need to
work out that always levels the BS..
tha's about it for me unless you have questions..
The stomach ailment sure sounds like something my old gent
may have...will pass this info on to his daughter...
Thanks again for the help..."

So, her BMI is 26.8 (good) but she has other problems as
many of us type 2's do.

I stand by my response. I'll be particularly interested to
see the post-prandial BG results after her tablespoon of
honey.

Now, not "For God's sake" but for the type 2 newbies sakes,
stay out of their threads. You do not add help at a time
when they need it, only confusion, doubt and fear. Of course
they should see their doctor - but she already has and so
has almost every other newby who arrives here seeking the
suggestions and experience of other type 2's.

You are a destructive element they don't need at a time when
they are particularly vulnerable.

Alan, T2, Australia.

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere
ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
   Martin Luther King Jr., Strength to Love, 1963