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A Different Exercise: Tai Chi

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Alan S - 09 Apr 2007 22:53 GMT
Hi All

I had chicken pox as a kid. That, together with my low
immune system and my seniority means that I'm a likely
candidate for shingles.

This news report was mentioned on my CLL list today
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18011361/

I looked at Tai Chi a few years back but got bored with it;
from the article in this link maybe I should try again. My
son tells me it is a wonderful exercise; he is into the
martial arts side of it and is fit and slim despite
inheriting my genes. In any case, for those who have
difficulty performing more active exercises Tai Chi may well
be worth investigating.

I like to delve behind the news reports to read the original
papers. I think this is may be the original 2001 study on
Tai Chi and Shingles:
http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cgi/content/abstract/65/5/824
and this is a 2004 follow-up by three of the original
authors:
http://ecam.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/1/3/223

While searching for that I found many others including this
one, which may also have relevance to diabetics:
http://bjsm.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/35/3/148
"Tai chi: physiological characteristics and beneficial
effects on health
<snip>
Under review were 31 original studies, published in Chinese
or English journals, that met the criteria for inclusion.
Most of the papers written in Chinese had not been
introduced into the Western literature
<snip>
Conclusions—TCC is a moderate intensity exercise that is
beneficial to cardiorespiratory function, immune capacity,
mental control, flexibility, and balance control; it
improves muscle strength and reduces the risk of falls in
the elderly."

Those interested will find many more papers via Google
Scholar. For example this is the search of 'tai chi chuan
diabetes': http://tinyurl.com/2wmryx

Of course any moderate exercise is beneficial if you aren't
in the habit of exercising now; however, Tai Chi appears to
have the benefit of low impact and proven results. It's a
pity I found it so boring the first time; it's definitely
time I tried it again.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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latest: A Pause to Reflect
MI - 10 Apr 2007 00:06 GMT
On 4/9/07 2:53 PM, in article 2gbl1357787hhu0qmoq23uu2jjb6m1uvkd@4ax.com,

> Hi All
>
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> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: A Pause to Reflect

Alan,
I started Tai Chi about a year ago and found that the difficulty in learning
all the moves kept me interested. I am learning the 108 move form. Maybe you
learned the 26 move form. I can see where one could get bored with that. I
have been surprised at how much exercise it really is since it looks so
innocuous. When you do it right you can sure feel the pull on the muscles.
Good luck, this time learn the 108 form. It's great for us oldsters with
aching backs and creaky knees. Not you of course!

Martha T2 Canada
BlueBrooke - 10 Apr 2007 01:04 GMT
> On 4/9/07 2:53 PM, in article 2gbl1357787hhu0qmoq23uu2jjb6m1uvkd@4ax.com,
>
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> Good luck, this time learn the 108 form. It's great for us oldsters with
> aching backs and creaky knees. Not you of course!

Not to mention that it is, apparently, very relaxing.  We have a Tai
Chi class at our school and everyone positively floats out of there.
I'd like to fit it into my schedule, but haven't managed it yet.  
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bj - 10 Apr 2007 02:15 GMT
> I had chicken pox as a kid. That, together with my low
> immune system and my seniority means that I'm a likely
> candidate for shingles.

I don't have a low immune system, but I did have chicken pox as a child.
I got the shingles vaccine last week & just hope for the best.
bj
rk - 10 Apr 2007 03:17 GMT
I've thought about Tai Chi a few times. I picked up a few
DVD's that show a bit of it and there are local Dojo's that
teach it around here as well.  My doctor gave me the usual
"you know your body better then anyone.. if it doesn't hurt
go for it.." lecture.  I'm "still" debating because by the time
I'm hurting, it's usually too late. *sigh*

Danni is a blue belt in Shouan-rou and I'll usually do a few
Kata's with her when she's practicing, but that's about all
I've been able to muster.

I've also had chicken pox as well as the mumps. I have a
pretty good immune system other then it attacking my body.
LOL....

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> Hi All
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
> http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
> latest: A Pause to Reflect
Alan S - 10 Apr 2007 04:30 GMT
>I've thought about Tai Chi a few times. I picked up a few
>DVD's that show a bit of it and there are local Dojo's that
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>pretty good immune system other then it attacking my body.
>LOL....

One thing I can be reasonably sure of; with
hypogammaglobulinemia double diabetes is an unlikely
possibility:-)
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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latest: A Pause to Reflect
Peabody - 10 Apr 2007 16:48 GMT
Alan S says...

> Of course any moderate exercise is beneficial if you
> aren't in the habit of exercising now; however, Tai Chi
> appears to have the benefit of low impact and proven
> results. It's a pity I found it so boring the first
> time; it's definitely time I tried it again.

What I've wondered about is whether there is anything at all
magical about the specific moves and sequences (the "form")
which they teach.  My guess is that if you watched a Tai Chi
video once, and then spent 15 minutes a day doing
Tai-Chi-like movements, at the same very slow speed, you
would do just as well, even though your movements wouldn't
be "correct" or even the same from one day to the next.

I used to do that as a form of meditation, with a Mozart
piano concerto playing in the backgound, and found it to be
very calming.  I think the slowness of the movement is the
key, not the specific form or sequence.  Ya gotta have the
moves with the Mozart.  :-)  By the way, the first movement
of #20 is about the right length.

This same issue has actually been tested with accupuncture,
and as I recall, the same number of needles placed randomly
produced the same effect as placing them on the supposed chi
meridians, which don't really exist anyway.

Perhaps this is also the case with Tai Chi.  I think the
broad, very slow, deliberate movements actually produce
neurologic effects, which may in turn have metabolic
effects.  Anyway, the purists will scoff, but I suspect it's
just as beneficial to pretend to do Tai Chi as is it to
rigorously follow the correct form.

Of course, I could be wrong.
Alan S - 11 Apr 2007 02:04 GMT
>Alan S says...
>
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>
>Of course, I could be wrong.

If I do decide to start I'll be able to prove your point -
because the likelihood of me doing it the purist's way is
remote:-)

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
--
http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/
http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/
latest: A Pause to Reflect
dumbfishie99@yahoo.com - 11 Apr 2007 02:44 GMT
>If I do decide to start I'll be able to prove your point -
>because the likelihood of me doing it the purist's way is
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>d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg
>Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Is tai chi about dong correct form, or about
developing prana?  I actually don;t know
that much about it.  I've treid it, but it
spikes my energetic system - and by
that I don't mean a bg spike.

So I only do the most groudned kind of yoga
there is - yoga for fitness, with iron. yeah.
dumbfishie99@yahoo.com - 11 Apr 2007 02:46 GMT
>>If I do decide to start I'll be able to prove your point -
>>because the likelihood of me doing it the purist's way is
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>So I only do the most groudned kind of yoga
>there is - yoga for fitness, with iron. yeah.

PS but that doesn't mean other people
can't do it just fine. it's just me.
kittent - 11 Apr 2007 16:26 GMT
On Apr 10, 8:44 pm, dumbfishi...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Is tai chi about dong correct form, or about
> developing prana?  I actually don;t know
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> So I only do the most groudned kind of yoga
> there is - yoga for fitness, with iron. yeah.

tai chi isn't about prana, it's about chi (I think, it's been years
since I did it).  It's a great form of exercise...and qigong helps
with meditation and relaxation.  As far as I can remember, form is a
good thing, but making the effort is the important thing...you may
never be able to do the entire form correctly.

how does your energetic system spike????

hugs,

kitten
Quentin Grady - 12 Apr 2007 02:33 GMT
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>On Apr 10, 8:44 pm, dumbfishi...@yahoo.com wrote:
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>kitten

Tai Chi can also be a martial art.  One of its precepts concerns
staying in balance.  IMHO that is beneficial in a general sense.
Many people over react and throw THEMSELVES off balance.  That doesn't
seem like a way to live one's life.  While this is only my opinion and
I don't have any scientific research to back up the notion I happen to
believe staying in balance helps one survive "the slings and arrows of
outrageous fortune".

Best wishes,
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dumbfishie99@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2007 13:21 GMT
>tai chi isn't about prana, it's about chi (I think, it's been years
>since I did it).  It's a great form of exercise...and qigong helps
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>
>kitten

Prana and chi are the same thing, just different words from
different cultures. The spiking is hard to explain....it increases
the prana/chi a little too sharply.  But then I've done things to
"wake it up,"  which most people
don't have to deal with.
 
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