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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / March 2007still learning what's "normal"
ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 then I ate breakfast (a piece of sprouted grain bread with 1 tbls. lowfat cream cheese and a few slices of cucumber, salt & pepper) and diet coke <---I need my caffeine. one hour after my level was 121 two hours after it was 101 are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? > ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? Looks fine to me. > ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? You'll have to decide what's acceptable to you. I like to see my numbers as close to 100 as possible at all times post meal, especially because I find that easy to achieve by not eating starches, especially in the a.m. Certainly, those numbers aren't cause for alarm, and how much you want to change your habits to optimize bg control is highly individual. Susan On Mar 29, 11:28 am, mac21...@yahoo.com wrote: > ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? Those numbers are great, Mikki. Most of us subscribe to the theory we should keep our BGs below 140 at all times. Research has shown that BGs above 140 in T2s may begin to cause damage, and keeping them below 140 (by whatever means) will prevent complications. I know you are being bombarded with information, but here is a site with some of the research: http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/ You are definitely on the right track! Michelle, T2 diet & exercise Thanks for the input...so much to learn!! By the way, I talked to my doc this morning about the meds...he's cautiously ok with me trying the diet & exercise route, so long as I know that if my next check is not to his liking, I will have to give the meds a fighting chance. Good girl! See, those steps into the cold water were not so bad after all. The next ones are even easier. :-) (HOW I wish I could be getting into the pool........... my first love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) Billie : Thanks for the input...so much to learn!! : : By the way, I talked to my doc this morning about the meds...he's : cautiously ok with me trying the diet & exercise route, so long as I : know that if my next check is not to his liking, I will have to give : the meds a fighting chance. > Thanks for the input...so much to learn!! > > By the way, I talked to my doc this morning about the meds...he's > cautiously ok with me trying the diet & exercise route, so long as I > know that if my next check is not to his liking, I will have to give > the meds a fighting chance. Good going! Sometimes it can be *soooo* hard to talk to the doc about doing something "else". And some doctors don't take this sort of "obstruction" well -- I'm glad yours did. But now you are taking charge of *your* diabetes. I hope you can surprise him & restore his faith that *some* people *can* do it, or at least give it a damn good try (& even if it turns out not totally successful). Besides, giving it a shot on the d&e route will show you what/how much you can do with that. If it doesn't work out as well as you hope (or you can't stand or can't maintain the routine), at least you tried & won't have to wonder later if or how well it might have worked for you, and may be able to minimize if not eliminate any meds you do end up needing. bj Plus, I don't know how it is with Mikki, but with me 'n' my chair, I want to give every new thing a "let me try it first" shot. If I can't, that's okay, but at least let me try (within reason, of course ;-). It took the family, especially Jim, a while to learn to not jump in, and immediately do something for me, but to give me a chance to do it for myself. He finally understood how important it was for me to keep as much independence as I could. Know the situations are not exactly the same, but do think Mikki's had that "give me the chance first" attitude for the last twenty years, and taking charge of her diabetes is no exception. Huh, Mikki? Oh, btw, please tell Chesty I said, "Hello, and I think he is a real cutey." *smile* Billie : If it doesn't work out as well as you hope (or you can't : stand or can't maintain the routine), at least you tried & won't have to : wonder later if or how well it might have worked for you, and may be able to : minimize if not eliminate any meds you do end up needing. : bj > It took the family, > especially Jim, a while to learn to not jump in, and immediately do > something for me, but to give me a chance to do it for myself. He finally > understood how important it was for me to keep as much independence as I > could. > Billie Sometimes I have to stop myself from helping my mother, say with carrying something -- I don't want to interfere with her "keep fit" program! She's pushing 87 & still independent (lives in a retirement home apartment, so she has weekly cleaner service <sigh of envy> & available dining service but she usually fixes her own meals) & walks & bicycles. Sometimes I'll see her car parked out back of my place -- she uses that as "fringe parking" when she wants to take the bus downtown or go gallivanting. I want to be in such good shape when I'm her age -- & if I even get there at all she'll probably still be going strong! bj She's the age of my sister-in-law. Peg still has her home, nothing's changed at all in fact; totally redecorated it a couple of years ago. We went to her house for Thanksgiving. A few brought a dish or two, but mostly she cooked it all. One of her daughters gave her a thingamagig that she can receive email on for Christmas, and she just loves it. Jim writes a family news letter each Saturday, and they are always talking about things to put into it. They've just about used up all their past memories, though. hehe She is a real character. Out of nine, it is just the two of them left; Jim was the baby. Maybe if she is still going strong when you are 87, that means the genetic component for you is good. :-) Billie : Sometimes I have to stop myself from helping my mother, say with carrying : something -- I don't want to interfere with her "keep fit" program! She's [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : all she'll probably still be going strong! : bj Billie...LOL I told my hubby you said he was a cutey! =) You made his night. It's the hair-do that does it for me. ;-) : Billie...LOL I told my hubby you said he was a cutey! =) You made : his night. >Thanks for the input...so much to learn!! > >By the way, I talked to my doc this morning about the meds...he's >cautiously ok with me trying the diet & exercise route, so long as I >know that if my next check is not to his liking, I will have to give >the meds a fighting chance. Well, actually, while I see the doc's logic - I make those choices based on the advice the doc gives me. I don't have to do anything. However, I do accept that I need very good reasons to not follow that advice if I wish to be as healthy as possible. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus > ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? I aim for under 140 at 1 hour and under 120 at 2 hours. If those had been my numbers, I'd have felt fine about them. I'd also have used real cream cheese. ;-) Priscilla, T2 On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:28:09 -0700, mac21268 wrote: > ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? I expect you're going to get a lot of different answers. With the type 2 control I strive to attain all three of your numbers are too high. [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:33:01 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:28:09 -0700, mac21268 wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >I expect you're going to get a lot of different answers. With the type 2 >control I strive to attain all three of your numbers are too high. what are you striving for?  SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:33:01 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> > Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > what are you striving for? I'm striving for under 100. Always. And I'd certainly like to see FBG 90 or less. > > [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:33:01 -0600, ray <r...@zianet.com> > > Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I'm striving for under 100. Always. And I'd certainly like to see FBG 90 > or less. I hope to get there...I was just diagnosed about 2 weeks ago. I immediately read up on diet and changed my way of eating...now I'm slowly learning which foods make me have higher levels than others... I needed to lose 15 or 20 pounds anyway, so this is a good time for that, and the new eating is certainly helping. =) On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:00:04 -0700, mac21268 wrote: >> > [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:33:01 -0600, ray <r...@zianet.com> >> > Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > I needed to lose 15 or 20 pounds anyway, so this is a good time for > that, and the new eating is certainly helping. =) I'd suggest you have a good look at a couple of books: "Diabetes for Dummies" and Dr. Richar Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution". Your local library may very well have both of them. You may also gain some useful information on some books about 'glycemic index' - the idea is that some carbs act much faster than others. I recognize that other folks here are telling you is that your chances for diabetic problems increase rapidly with BG levels over 140. What I think no one really knows is what happens if it's routinely between 120 and 140. Dr. B, on the basis of having been a type 1 for 60 years and also being an M.D. specializing in diabetic treatment, maintains that a healthy non-diabetic has a BG around 83 +- about 3 - nearly all the time, except following meals particularly high in carbs. His theory is that we should shoot for the same numbers. > On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:00:04 -0700, mac21268 wrote: > >> > [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:33:01 -0600, ray <r...@zianet.com> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > following meals particularly high in carbs. His theory is that we should > shoot for the same numbers. Thanks for the book recommendations. I will definately look into them. I bought a book of glycemic indexes of foods, as I've read up on that subject. I've also bought a book called "Reversing Diabetes" by a Dr. Julian Whitaker. I'm about a third of the way through it so far. My "RIGHT NOW" goal is to try to get all of my numbers under 100. Once I'm there, I can work on a new goal. Just curious, how many times on average does a person with T2 test in a day after they've settled into a routine that seems to mostly work for them? Right now, I'm testing about 6 times a day, and sometimes I am running out of finger space. LOL > Just curious, how many times on average does a person with T2 test in > a day after they've settled into a routine that seems to mostly work > for them? > Right now, I'm testing about 6 times a day, and sometimes I am running > out of finger space. LOL I generally tested 8 or so times a day for the first couple of years. Then I backed off to occasional testing while I kept up the practices I'd instilled during those first couple of years. Now I've been slacking off on the diet portion of my treatment, and I need to up my testing again. I have a couple of fingers that I usually test on, even when I was testing 8 or so times a day. Usually second finger and pinky of left hand. Dunno why those work best or bother me least, but they do. Priscilla, T2 >Just curious, how many times on average does a person with T2 test in >a day after they've settled into a routine that seems to mostly work >for them? Nowadays - always on a Monday fasting. Once a week or so at pre, 1hr and 2hr post pp on a reference meal. Otherwise, if I'm trying something new, or feel odd - I'm now actually averaging my once a day prescription : ) It was 10-12 times a day at dx. Nicky. T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid D&E, 100ug thyroxine Last A1c 5.5% BMI 25 > I recognize that other folks here are telling you is that your chances for > diabetic problems increase rapidly with BG levels over 140. What I think [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > following meals particularly high in carbs. His theory is that we should > shoot for the same numbers. I guess this all depends on what Dr. B thinks of as a high carb meal and I guess it would also be important to know the condition of the subjects used. Tom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com Chat in peace with other diabetes at the American Diabetes Associations Web Site. http://community.diabetes.org/n/pfx/forum.aspx?nav=index&webtag=amdiabetesz&redi rCnt=1 Information You Can "Trust" From Your American Diabetes Association www.diabetes.org Information on Specific Types of Fat. http://www.diabetes.org/nutrition-and-recipes/nutrition/foodlabel/specific-fats.jsp I asked Jim if he'd like to care for you 24/7, and he vigorously shook his head, "NO!" LOL Billie......... glad they caught me at 16, and thinks 100 is great now, but really does prefer the lower numbers as long as I'm awake.... LOL : > what are you striving for? : : I'm striving for under 100. Always. And I'd certainly like to see FBG 90 : or less. [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:21:07 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> [Default] On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:33:01 -0600, ray <ray@zianet.com> >> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I'm striving for under 100. Always. And I'd certainly like to see FBG 90 >or less. oy. okay, but that is a bit obsessive and restrictive. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? Sounds great to me. You may even be able to eat a bigger brekky if you want to. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus > >ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > --http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ > latest: Epidaurus Ray: It is normal for a non diabetic to go over 100 after a full meal. Your goal of keeping numbers below 100 seems overly restrictive for the average person. If you can keep your numbers below 100 even after meals you are fortunate and perhaps a bit unusual unless you are using meds (insulin?) quite agressively. Larry : ok...so this morning my fasting bg was 98 : then I ate breakfast (a piece of sprouted grain bread with 1 tbls. : lowfat cream cheese and a few slices of cucumber, salt & pepper) and : diet coke <---I need my caffeine. : one hour after my level was 121 : two hours after it was 101 : are these acceptable or is that 121 at the 1 hour interval too high? Just lovely numbers. remember, according to jennifer's advice, it is less than 140 at 1 hor and less tha 120 at two hours. You can judge for yourself:-) Wendy |
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