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Hidden Transfats Undisclosed in Chocolate etc
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Heidy.Manway@gmail.com - 03 Mar 2007 19:55 GMT Hidden Transfats Undisclosed in Chocolate etc
I read that in a BBC TV Book " The Truth About Food" it says that chocolate will only keep for 30 days BEFORE needing to be hydrogenated to massively extend Shelf Life, Considering that New York City have completely banned this sort of fat because its worse than butter for your arteries leading to premature heart attacks.
Is is any Legal Requirements for manufacturers to declare they have used Transfats in their Ingredients.
So there even any point in writting emailing Cadburys Chocolates whether they use same because they will use deny it as they want you to continue consuming their Chocolate.
Anyone know more about the situation regards Transfats? or good quality websites?
Regards,
Heidy
Chris Malcolm - 03 Mar 2007 21:02 GMT In alt.support.diabetes Heidy.Manway@gmail.com <Heidy.Manway@gmail.com> wrote:
> I read that in a BBC TV Book " The Truth About Food" it says that > chocolate will only keep for 30 days BEFORE needing to be > hydrogenated > to massively extend Shelf Life, I doubt it. The BBC are usually rather careful in their research. Sounds to me like a PR squeal from the trans-fat industry hoping to panic the nation's choc eaters onto their side.
 Signature Chris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
Kurt - 03 Mar 2007 21:13 GMT On Mar 3, 11:55?am, "Heidy.Man...@gmail.com" <Heidy.Man...@gmail.com> wrote:
> x-no-archive:yes > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Anyone know more about the situation regards Transfats? > or good quality websites? The shelf life of chocolate depends on a number of factors. You might find this of interest...
http://www.cals.wisc.edu/media/news/01_97/milkfat_chocolate.html
Kurt
Bob - 04 Mar 2007 16:38 GMT >x-no-archive:yes > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Is is any Legal Requirements for manufacturers to declare they have >used Transfats in their Ingredients. In the US, transfats must be disclosed on the usual nutrition label, by FDA regulation. I think this came into effect in 2006.
I just happen to have a Hershey bar here. Label indeed does list transfats (zero). It also lists ingredients, and there is nothing there that suggests any partial hydrogenation -- the process that makes the trans fats of concern.
There are a couple of nuances to the FDA labeling. One is that they "round off". I am not sure of details, which presumably the FDA specifies. Perhaps if less than 0.5 g, they call that 0. I've heard concerns that some manufacturers have adjusted "serving size" so that certain numbers would come out looking better when rounded. Second, I presume that such labeling does not include the trans fats present naturally in milk (present there due to bacterial metabolism in the cow??).
Regardless, the FDA rule has had the intended effect: a drastic reduction of trans fat usage. Because of the bad publicity on the stuff, manufactures have tried to replace it, knowing otherwise they would need to disclose it. If you look at the nutrition labels, you will see more and more showing transfat as zero, and I'm sure the trend will continue. I think we can put this story behind us.
The statement at the top, "it says that chocolate will only keep for 30 days BEFORE needing to be hydrogenated to massively extend Shelf Life," is so silly or poorly written that I cannot believe it came from a reputable source. Is it really suggesting home hydrogenation?
Does anyone know what is happening in other countries, just for curiosity?
bob
glenn P - 05 Mar 2007 01:23 GMT Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes.
> x-no-archive:yes > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Heidy Julie Bove - 05 Mar 2007 01:43 GMT > Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the > labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes. Butter has transfats? In what form?
Alan S - 05 Mar 2007 02:05 GMT >> Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the >> labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes. > >Butter has transfats? In what form? Well he did say "less". Zero is less than even the smallest amount:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus
Jo Anne - 05 Mar 2007 16:31 GMT >> Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the >> labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes. > >Butter has transfats? In what form? Dairy products contain a small amount of naturally-occuring transfats. I seem to recall reading somewhere that this type of transfat behaves differently than partially hydrogenated oils.
I just went and checked in my fridge, and noted the following:
Butter: 0.2g per 2 teaspoons Cheese: 0.4g per 30 grams 2% Milk: 0.1g per cup Low-fat (2%) Yogurt: 0.1g per 1/2 cup
I checked the ingredients of these, and none contained anything other than milk ingredients and bacterial cultures.
I recently saw an advertisement for some kind of margarine (Becel, I think) touting the fact that "butter contains transfats, but Becel has none."
Jo Anne
Nev. - 06 Mar 2007 17:08 GMT > I recently saw an advertisement for some kind of margarine (Becel, I > think) touting the fact that "butter contains transfats, but Becel has > none." Soon after I was diagnosed with diabetes, someone, either a dietician or an endo, recommended Becel. But I found it tasteless and decided to use "Gold'n Canola Lite, a source of Essential Omega-3*, reduced fat spread with cholesterol free canola oil." The nutrition information on this spread lists the "trans fat" as being 0.03% and the serving size as being 0.5g.
It takes me well over a month to use up a 500g container of this canola.
Nev.
Alan S - 06 Mar 2007 21:59 GMT >>> Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the >>> labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Jo Anne Hi JoAnne
"I seem to recall reading somewhere that this type of transfat behaves differently than partially hydrogenated oils." Yep, you're right.
We have a friend here who posts regularly on subjects like this. I hope Quentin won't mind if I re-post one of his excellent and informative comments. This is the sort of thread that he usually joins - so I hope he's well.
In his absence:
From October 2006: http://tinyurl.com/2b3d6l
G'day G'day Folks,
It is with some diffidence that I raise these issues. Many people have very fixed ideas about dietary fat when in truth there is much that is still subject to debate. While I'm happy to highlight the issues I haven't at the moment the energy following a fifth round of chemo to debate with anyone. The side effects accumulate with each round. For the last few days it has been a matter of crawling out of bed for a few hours to do something important, typing up equations and graphs for student notes etc. IMHO raising some dietary issues in a way that might help newbies and act as a reminder to old timers is important. I'll leave arguing to those who find that aspect important to do amongst themselves.
If there is one fat that most people despise with certainty it is trans fats. In public perception these are the arch villains.
Trans fats are mono-unsaturated fats that have the wrong twist in their geometry. The one most vilified is elaidic acid the evil twisted twin of the beneficial cis-monounsaturated fatty acid called oleic acid found in olives, nuts and avocados and to a lesser extent in animal fats.
How bad are trans fats? Conventional wisdom has for many years put them on par with saturated fats. In fact very little attempt has been made by most researchers to separate trans fats from saturated fats in experiments. Supporters of saturated fats have made much of this suggesting that the evils attributed to saturated fats are really to be attributed to trans fats. Some studies such as the Nurses study have painted a more daunting picture of trans fats, suggesting that as little as 2% of calories from trans fats was damaging to health.
Those who oppose saturated fats suggest keeping the level of saturated fats below 10% or sometimes 7% of calories. The processed food industry apparently like trans fat for it's taste and texture stability.
Are all trans fats equally harmful? Quite possibly not.
Many cultures have grown up with dairy products for many generations.
In those populations they have been exposed to another trans fat, vaccinic acid. For these populations it is reasonable to suggest that trans fats found in cheese etc is less harmful than the elaidic acid trans fat produced artificially by partial hydrogenation, and to a lesser extent, deodorization and repeated deep frying.
The question of saturated fats is quite controversial in some people's opinion and a done deal in others. Saturated fats raise LDL and HDL cholesterol. This to many leads to their condemnation. By similar reasoning polyunsaturated fats which lower LDL are praised by the same people. Lowering LDL should lead to a reduction in coronary heart disease. The problem is it doesn't, not at least with the omega-6 polyunsaturated fats found in vegetable oils. It seems that the single minded thinkers who employ such short circuit logic ... reduce LDL ... reduce CHD would like us to believe that they should.
I suspect the problem is that omega-6 polyunsaturated fats found in vegetable oils raise silent inflammation levels and that contributes adversely to CHD. A distinguishing feature of the saturated fat/bad vegetable oil/good clan is that they quite ignore cis-monounsaturated oils since they have little effect on LDL and HDL. Weird, the safest oils are ignored.
So what of the cis-monounsaturated fatty acid found in olives, nuts, avocados and to a lesser extend animal fats? Well these fats have a decided advantage for T2 diabetics. They can up to a point be used to replace carbohydrate, a point readily acknowledged by the ADA expert opinion panels. One can think of them as carbohydrates with the very lowest GI rating, zero. Some people worry that like any fat they contribute more calories per gram than carbohydrate. That's fair enough as far it goes.
Most all fats contribute about 9 Cal/gram as opposed to 4 Cal/gram for carbohydrate. The message seems clear enough and the trap doors of the short circuit logic brains snap shut but in practice the most powerful study ever to be conducted on low fat, the WHI has shown beyond doubt that reducing fat intake by a third did absolutely nothing to bring about weight loss. Nothing. People simply ate more carbohydrate. When I observed friends losing weight at about 1 kg per week following a reduced carbohydrate diet I was surprised to find them eating one avocado per day for lunch.
Surely they couldn't be. Then I sat down and did the math.
Avocados were 70% water. A 100 gram of avocado had fewer calories than 100 gram of carbohydrate because of that high water content.
The same sort of reasoning following if one eats walnuts with high water content foods such as salad. The trick is not to eat fat plus carbohydrate as in pastry.
What of omega-3 fats?
There are principally two types. There are the longer chain ones found in fish oils. These benefit brain function etc. For T2s they are likely to be of some benefit. One strong indicator of incipient T2 diabetes is discovering raised triglycerides and reduced HDL in a blood lipid profile panel. In practice measuring the ratio of triglycerides to HDL is a good indicator of insulin resistance.
After getting good control of post prandial blood glucose reducing the triglyceride:HDl ratio is a good marker of progress in how well one is dealing with T2 diabetes. (By the way I talk about T2 diabetics because I am one. T1 can also have insulin resistance problems but their situation has a different set of complexities to T2 and the most important rule for newbies is not to confuse suggestions meant for one with suggestions meant for the other.)
The higher the ratio of triglycerides to HDL, the higher the insulin resistance. The point is that fish oils reduce the triglyceride:HDL ratio and that is likely to be a worthwhile thing for many T2s to do.
Do omega-3 fats reduce the risk of coronary heart disease? Apparently NOT if one relies on fish oil. Apparently YES if one uses vegetable omega-3.
The people of Crete has exceedingly low rates of coronary heart disease. Far, far less than their neighbours. There fat consumption was even higher than the Standard American Diet, SAD levels. Some were as high as 35 or 40% predominantly olive oil.
Their fish consumption was low thanks possibly due to over fishing. Spain at the time had something like six times the fish consumption but a much higher rate of coronary heart disease. Clearly omega-3 from fish was not a contributing factor. The distinguishing factor was their consumption of alpha linolenic acid,ALA the vegetable omega-3 from various salad vegetable, walnuts and snails. Where unprocessed canola oil has been used with its high levels of a ALA there has been a dramatic drop in CHD. (Processed canola unfortunately has the partial hydrogenation, elaidic acid trans fat) This has occurred in Lyon where the French had a relatively high cholesterol diet. It has also occurred in India where two thirds of the participants were vegetarians. In each case there was approximately a 50% reduction in CHD in six months. This is in complete contrast to the WHI results which were unable to achieve an statistically significant result from a total fat reduction of one third over eight years. The basic point IMHO is simple. It is not a matter of total fat consumption it is a matter of wise fat choices.
A simple strategy for T2s is to start with increasing vegetable consumption markedly. Not by some namby pamby third but by increasing consumption to about seven serves per day. That at least gives them a chance of getting some vegetable omega-3 polyunsaturated fats. It is well established in many Epidemiology studies that nut consumption correlates with three to five years of longer quality life. The reasons aren't clear. The results are.
Some fish would make good sense, the proteins in fish apparently have some desirable features not found in soy and casein. However obesity is often a problem with T2s so it is vital to ensure the highest quality fish. Many toxins such as dioxin and methyl mercury are fat soluble. Obese people have more body fat to store these toxins which can damage the beta cells in the pancreas.
Unfortunately for too long mankind has treated the oceans as an infinite sewer outfall. The processing of fish oil into tablets removes methyl mercury efficiently and molecular sieving removes dioxin. It pays to read the labels carefully.
If you include grains in your diet, please make sure you fully understand the distinction between whole grain and whole meal.
The Japanese have done some research where they replaced fifty percent of rice with pearl barley. This lowered the average GI of the traditional rice dish. Using Indian Basmati and the Australian Doongara rice with a lower GI than sticky rice is also beneficial.
IMHO a good strategy to include whole grain would be to incorporate tabuli with plenty of greens into one's diet.
If one uses extra virgin olive oil then choose one with a peppery after taste. The peppery after taste is hydroxytyrosol which is reputed to be one of the most powerful antioxidants available in foods.
Cis-monounsaturated oils have benefits to diabetics, by improving the uptake of various valuable pigments eg zeaxanthin, the orange pigment that protects the central vision of eyes. Diabetes has the effect of accelerating some forms of age related macular degeneration. Eating greens, even culinary herbs such as parsley, cilantro, dill will stave off these forms of age related macular degeneration. Obese people need a higher intake because their fat redistributed the orange pigment zeaxanthin away from the eyes where it performs an utterly irreplaceable function. The best source of zeaxanthin is orange capsicum (orange bell peppers) The point is that olive oil improves the uptake of the zeaxanthin and many other irreplaceable pigments. Peripheral vision requires a yellow pigment, lutein. Lutein is found more widely than zeaxanthin. The best fruit source by far is avocado.
While I use extra virgin olive oil made from Picual olives for cooking it has to be realised that we cook at low temperatures. Cooking anything whether fat, protein or carbohydrate at excessive temperatures produces dangerous chemicals similar to smoking. Lower temperature cooking is our choice. For higher temperature brief cooking such as stir fry is another sensible strategy. For this avocado oil has the benefits of cis-monounsaturated oil while having the highest smoke point of any commercially available cooking oil.
If the answer to weightloss for sedentary people is not to be found in fats and carbohydrates then where is it to be found? IMHO the best advice comes from Joslin and some scientist working for the Australian CSIRO, raise protein levels to over 20%. To put it another way the Joslin source when reverse engineered comes down to a recommendation of 2 grams of protein for every gram of fat. A mix of sources say, one third meat, fish, and vegetable seems to be a safest option. Hopefully this post has encouraged people to think about some issues, perhaps even rethinking some issues. Mostly I hope it will encourage people not to engage in short circuit thinking where their minds snap closed at the first stopping point.
Hey, I'm the sort of bloke who feels he has made a contribution to a spin doctored world if a few people are encouraged to think for themselves especially when it involves putting in some hard yards.
Best wishes,
 Signature Quentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading."
Thanks again Quentin. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Epidaurus
Jo Anne - 07 Mar 2007 00:20 GMT >>>> Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the >>>> labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >excellent and informative comments. This is the sort of >thread that he usually joins - so I hope he's well. Yup. That's where I read it.
Thanks for re-posting. It's very educational, and worth reading again.
Jo Anne
Bob - 07 Mar 2007 01:38 GMT >> Butter has less trans fats than margarine. The new hype about the >> labelling will take a bit of time to solve traditional stereotypes. > >Butter has transfats? In what form? Transfats are normal constituents of all dairy products. A few percent. Major specific trans fat is vaccenic acid.
bob
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