In alt.support.diabetes on Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:22:16 -0500  in Msg.#

Okay, I wondered if that was where it was headed. Now, ... if so, ... what I
don't understand is ... why are those considered carbs? Especially green
beans & green leafy vegetables?

Oo! That sounds nice, I'll have to try that... any reason why you
don't add EVOO?

CONGRATULATIONS on the great A1c!

Nicky.
T2 DX 05/2004
A1c 5.5%  BMI 25 D&E
100ug Thyroxine

I see you eat no starches like potatoes, rice, pasta or bread.

I bet you arent hungry.  You eat many times a day in small portions and
that is one of the things that they now recommend instead of three large
meals.

I myself need  a starch with each meal or I dont feel right but since
this works for you, keep on doing it.  really you are to be
congratulated.

Loretta

--
In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.

That's real close to the way I eat too, and I was also diagnosed in 2004.
(What a coinkydink)

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On 27 Jan 2007 12:46:34 -0800, "italiangm" <italiangm@yahoo.com>
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G'day G'day Italiangm,

Once again congratulations and special thanks for taking the time to
post such a detailed description of what you eat. Most success is to
be found in the details. Personally I've never experimented with
artificial sweetners.  I regard it as a personal thing and long ago
decided to use small amounts of fruit or sauce instead.  This has
given me good A1c readings but not as impressive as yours.  

Best wishes,

In my case, I have a comorbid ailment known as Panic Disorder. I've
had it for 33 years. Spending a significant portion of that time with
my nervous system in sympathetic mode (fight or flight) instead of
parasympathetic mode (calm) has consequences.  Add to this a
moderately high carb diet, and you get insulin resistance plus a
number of cognitive deficits that were getting worse as the years went
by, despite tight compliance with head and med therapy for the panic
disorder. I also developed a very painful condition known as frozen
shoulder during 2004.

After researching why my brain and body might be deteriorating, I
learned how hyperglycemia and insulin resistance increased neuron
vulnerability to many different types of physiological insult. I also
learned that frozen shoulder tends to affect diabetics. After
confirming impaired glucose tolerance with the glucose tolerance test,
that was the turning point.

Also, since my dad died at age 90, there's a possibility I might live
that long as well. If so, I want to do it in the best shape possible.

Good question Uncle Enrico.

The short answer is Pain!

I was stupid enough to ignore all the symptoms of diabetes for good 10
yrs. Then my feet started getting numb followed by PN. For last 7 yrs
I have worked in startup environment which is very unforgiving if you
work less than 80 hrs a week. The long story short PN gave me the
jolt. When dxed I had A1c of 15. Doctor almost could not believe my
numbers.  Ok the A1C test was done under high fever originated from an
infection. So it did skew the result a bit. But once I woke up I
decided to take charge of the situation. It was also  the same time my
company closed the shop so joblessness was staring at me. Two kids to
put through collage.

You know some times an extreme situation challenges one to face the
bulls by horns or simply decide to decimate. I opted for the former
and started my study to get a full handle on T2DM. Read many many
books. Dr Bernstein's  was one of them. Was almost convinced that I
need to start all meat diet. I was life long vegetarian and had
convinced myself that it was also a good ethical choice even though I
had plenty of dairy products in my diet. But my guts would not accept
changing lifestyle so drastically. The ethical problem was my own
making but it was real never the less.

Anyway 20 yrs I had also not done any exercise. So was I was a pulp.
190 lbs 5'10" 40" waist. That was 2005 June.

It took me a month and half to decide on a rough road map. I
understood I did not get here in 1 year, I am not not going to get out
of the mess in a hurry either. First thing I told myself was stop
digging! Convinced myself that if I follow a certain path I can stop
the slide by stabilizing myself. Get to normal BG on a fast track, and
start moderate physical activity. Those were my immediate and  limited
goals. Dr. Dean Ornish and Dr. T. Campbell's book "Thee China Study"
had the most impact on me. Right at the beginning I got a call from my
friend who had enrolled himself in medical school at age 52. He too
was diagnosed as a diabetes. He warned me right away that sooner I
bring myself to the normal BG levels the sooner I will arrest further
damage.

Well with PN I needed no more motivation. But everyone gave me the
same consistent feedback, All that was left was to take the obvious
path. Hardest part was to figure out what to eat. The simple advice
from "The China Study" book of eating plant based whole food diet fit
snugly with my way of looking at life. I knew I could make plenty of
dishes within those constrains. But I had to give up rice and wheat
totally. My meter and my pain were two rails keeping me on my track. I
did not have the luxury to go beyond  140 mg/dL (7.8 mmol/L). PN would
send shooting pains. So that automatically put sever constrains on
diet. I also know salad vegis will never give me a problem. Sprouted
Beans, legumes and various nuts (yes peanut including!) became my
protein source.

It is at this stage I discovered ASD and specifically Quentin. After
reading ASD on regular basis, I increased my repertoire vegis to
cabbage family added Asparagus and avocados and salad dressing of EVOO
+Apple vinegar.

Started exercising regularly. Now I walk 6 miles a day, 5 days a week.
I rarely see my numbers go beyond 125. FBG is always under 100.
Cholesterol numbers are decent.  TG last tested was 67. Total168. That
was 3 months ago. I hope to get  better numbers now. Weight is now at
168, waist 35". Italiangm  is my age but a good 20 lbs lighter and
waits is 2" smaller. No wonder he has A1c of 4.8. It is feedback like
this that tells me how far away I am from reaching the goal!

So what has worked so far in a nut shell is my PN. I also have to say
that without my wife giving me solid support I would not be able to
get here. She has given me company and has been the cheer leader all
the way. Amazingly enough we are both in far better shape and
healthier. Last two winters are the first where we have had no
sickness. In fact I have not had any sickness ever since dxed.

I do want to state unequivocally that I am fully aware that this is in
a way honeymoon stage for me. Unlike Italiangm I did not wake up when
first alarm went off. 10 years of ignorance is nasty mess to wipe it
clean. At best I can mop it. But overall I do see that what I have
uncovered for myself is nothing but a delightful way to enjoy rest of
my life. Contributions from many of you have significantly added to my
strategic thinking.

I do trust that our bodies are wonderful machines. The more we make it
take control of healing process the more we may be rewarded. Reading
post here also gives me a constant reminder as to why I need to thank
my stars as much as much as I claim my control over my will power to
stay the course!

Cheers,

Anil

Oh, that's sad, I love tomatoes (and onions) and I can eat
both in quantity. I have a good serve of both, raw, in my
lunch salad plate and at dinner canned tomatoes make most of
sauces for whatever protein I am having along with onions
cooked into it. I also have a small side salad with dinner
including raw tomatoes and onions again. I would be lost
without tomatoes I think.

G'day G'day italiangm,

Thank you for this information.  Much appreciated.

Best wishes
Quentin.

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On 28 Jan 2007 08:52:37 -0800, "italiangm" <italiangm@yahoo.com>
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