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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2007Confused and Frustrated
I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet, etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources pertaining to diabetics and food, recipes and so on. I've seen the pyramid. I know I can eat fruit, except fruit with sugar in it.... and that pretty much covers "fruit." I know I can eat vegetables, except vegetables with carbs.... and that pretty much covers vegetables.... except for salad and a bean. I seem to be pretty safe with fish and meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it chewable and tasty. There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum. I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would be a better word - daily (actually, weekly). I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all. My doctor diagnosed my neuropathy as alcohol related (over the years, my martini before dinner turned into martinis - very much plural) and told me to quit drinking. He sort of threw in the diabetes as an afterthought after seeing my blood sugar. I still have 2 Hienekens, or a few glasses of wine, with dinner on my days off (as a reward for performing so exceptionally at work each week - which nobody notices). I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so I'm going to keep doing it. Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll die!" I don't eat Breakfast. For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce, tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know). For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole onion (which I dip in South Beach Ranch dressing (no sugar - no carbs). A handful of grapes, 8 to 10 olives, a small wedge of lettuce (also dipped), a little pile of cottage cheese and, sometimes, a half cucumber. With this I drink 2 O'Doul's beers (non-alcoholic 13g carbs each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine). For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream (10g carbs, 4g sugar). Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or 4 cups of decaf coffee. That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours after meals around 120. One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I wake up. The only think I've found to clear my throat, that would keep on my night table without getting dry enough to make me gag, was small bites of a Little Debbie cake (total intake - about 20g carbs, 20g sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the job, I would. Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking, within reach when I'm hungry. I stop by Subway on the way to work..... meat/fish/ham.... throw it in the oven to broil...... salad type stuff... throw it on a plate and eat it on a TV tray in front of the Sci-Fi channel. Anyway, after 3 or 4 months of utter frustration, I gave up and settled into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya think? Thank John www.digitalbirdcrap.com >Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it >here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll >die!" This is the best tool to work out whether what you can eat is safe for you. http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm >I don't eat Breakfast. Bad because you're not kickstarting your metabolism - and you might be letting a Dawn Phenomenon run unchecked. Worth checking for the latter, but if you've been doing it that way for years and you don;t have DP, not worth bothering about. >For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce, >tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and >pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know). Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are? >For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken >leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol >(This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine). This is great except for the carbs in the fake beer - I guess this is a tradeoff you're going to have to make, but the Michelob Ultra Light beers I drink (light in carbs, not alcohol) are, I think, 6g per bottle. >That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs >100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours >after meals around 120. These numbers are not bad at all. Your diet looks pretty reasonable in terms of nutrition, too. How's the exercise part of the equation? A walk an hour after a meal would allow you more discretion... Nicky. T2 DX 05/2004 A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E 100ug Thyroxine > Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are? Yes, they do... gross tasting though. > ......but the Michelob Ultra Light > beers I drink (light in carbs, not alcohol) are, I think, 6g per > bottle. Cool, I'll buy some and try it, thanks. Even if I don't like it at first I'll get used to it just like I did the O'Doul's, which I didn't like at first....haha. > How's the exercise part of the equation? A > walk an hour after a meal would allow you more discretion... Well, I try to do a lot of unnecessary (tensing) moving around for that purpose. Very small amount of light daily weights - 10lbs. Short daily Sai Kata. No walking (neuropathy in feet is painful). Oh yeah! I left out Mayo on the sub and two pieces of Pepperidge Farm Carb Style Whole Wheat Bread (8g carbs - less than 1g sugar each - My God, 4 bucks a loaf) with Smart Balance imitation butter-like goo with dinner. Thanks for the response and suggestions - much appreciated from someone more experiences with all this than I. John www.johnniemccoy.com >> Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Well, I try to do a lot of unnecessary (tensing) moving around for > that purpose. Very small amount of light daily weights - 10lbs. Short > daily Sai Kata. No walking (neuropathy in feet is painful). I get foot pain around 140. The single most effective tool for neuropathy is maintaining near non-diabetic numbers as much as possible. Perhaps spacing your carbs out more would help with those 150 spikes after meals. For example take the grapes to a stand alone snack rather than part of a meal that already has carbs. Swimming is ideal exercise if you can't do weight bearing stuff. Or get hold of an old wheelchair and take that for a long spin. When you say you are congested at night, what exactly do you mean? Is it the mucousy feeling one gets after drinking milk or eating ice cream? If so, move the ice-cream to another snack time? A good bedtime snack is a wholegrain (rye is good) cracker with some fat and protein (chicken and mayo, cheese or peanut butter, chicken and avocado etc). That helps some keep the morning fasting readings down. Try an open sandwich (1 slice of bread with meat, fish or chicken etc with salad veggies and ranch dressing or cottage cheese) and save the other slice of bread for a snack. So same foods throughout the day but carbs spaced out for less bg impact at any one time. You could also try a glass of red wine with your evening meal instead of the beer. Red wine is touted as being good for heart health. >.... Or get hold of an old wheelchair and take that for a > long spin. Now THERE'S an idea.... excellent solution, since I can't walk a lot. This, I'll do. Thank you!!! > When you say you are congested at night, what exactly do you > mean? Is it the mucousy feeling one gets after drinking milk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > cheese or peanut butter, chicken and avocado etc). That > helps some keep the morning fasting readings down. A congenital sinus condition - sister had it and so did my mother. Smoking doesn't help but my sister didn't smoke. (don't even start) Thanks John www.webawebadoo.com (for my grand daughter) >>.... Or get hold of an old wheelchair and take that for a >> long spin. > > Now THERE'S an idea.... excellent solution, since I can't walk a lot. > This, I'll do. Thank you!!! If you can ride a bike, try that. If you can't, you might be able to ride one of those adult-sized tricycles. Another option is going to a pool (like a YMCA or YMHA) and getting so excercise there. I don't know what kind of mobility problems you have, but increasing your mobility and excercise will help a lot. See whomever you need to, like an orthopedic surgeon, physical therapist or physiatrist (a doc who specializes in rehabilitation medicine). Of course, you should start with your primary care doctor. Jeff >> When you say you are congested at night, what exactly do you >> mean? Is it the mucousy feeling one gets after drinking milk [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > John > www.webawebadoo.com (for my grand daughter) > If you can ride a bike, try that. If you can't, you might be able to ride > one of those adult-sized tricycles. Guess I oughta get a bike.... been thinking that it would be painful on feet but maybe not. I'll borrow one and try it. > Another option is going to a pool (like a YMCA or YMHA) and getting so > excercise there. Once, when I was a kid, my little sister pooped in the pool. My father drained it.... made a big comotion about it. Didn't bother me then but keeps me out of public pools now. > I don't know what kind of mobility problems you have, but increasing your > mobility and excercise will help a lot. Not exactly an invalid.... can walk but impaired to a certain extent. Definitely given up my career as a professional tennis bum. These suggestions I'm getting here (some yes, some no) are broadening my options. Thanks John www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/thewayIseeit.html I can't swim in public pools either. Just can't do it. :-) Cheri yeah-sure wrote in message >Once, when I was a kid, my little sister pooped in the pool. My father >drained it.... made a big comotion about it. Didn't bother me then but >keeps me out of public pools now. <...> > Once, when I was a kid, my little sister pooped in the pool. My father > drained it.... made a big comotion about it. Didn't bother me then but > keeps me out of public pools now. My brother lives in a community with about 200 houses and one community pool. Once, some moms were talking too much. One of them ignored the call of her kid to go to the bathroom (I mean the kid said, I have to go to the bathroom now). Let's just say a floater resulted. The offending material was scooped out, and the pool was closed until pool water was circulated long-enough for the entire water volume to go through the filter Now, they have breaks every hour or so, so that parents get take their kids to poop, if need be. (Pee uses up a little chlorine to oxidize the organic compounds in it, but not that much. Besides, it cuts down on water usage to refill the pool, warms up the water and saves water and soap and toilet paper usage in the restroom). Every year on the Fourth of July, there is a baking contest. One year, one of the cakes was shaped like the pool. And the raison's represented the floaters. The reason why they require people to shower before going into a pool has nothing to do with sweat (ok, the sweat is broken down by chlorine, so having extra sweat in the water means they have to add more chlorine, but it is not a big deal). It has to do with the fact that toilet paper is not as effective at cleaning a certain area as we would think. The only way you can get properly clean is with soap and water. There are certain germs that aren't even killed by chlorine levels in water (Girardia and Cryptosporidium are two common ones that aren't killed by regular chlorine levels in pools). Even so, enjoy the pool. The chlorine kills most germs. Just don't drink the pool water And don't worry that another word for a pool with lots of little kids is "urinal." Jeff > Every year on the Fourth of July, there is a baking contest. One year, one > of the cakes was shaped like the pool. And the raison's represented the > floaters. ...hahahahaha..... priceless!! John snip > Even so, enjoy the pool. The chlorine kills most germs. Just don't drink the > pool water And don't worry that another word for a pool with lots of little > kids is "urinal." > > Jeff What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. ;-) Vicki > A congenital sinus condition - sister had it and so did my mother. > Smoking doesn't help but my sister didn't smoke. (don't even start) Put a humidifier in your room, drying out the nasal passages and sinuses isn't a good thing. Inhale steam before bed ;) Inhale a hot cuppa then drink it, lol. I have a deviated septum (amongst other deviations) and that does not help with sinus :( >> Don't Subway do low-carb wraps where you are? > >Yes, they do... gross tasting though. You can get used to fake beer, but not low-carb wraps? : ) Nicky. T2 DX 05/2004 A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E 100ug Thyroxine >I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet, > etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > meat, as long as the meat doesn't have any fat in it to make it > chewable and tasty. Reading about what to eat and being able to eat it are two different things. I don't eat a lot of fruit. I don't like fruit. I do can applesauce and pears, both with some sugar and I can eat those in limited amounts with no problems. Test your BG before you eat. Should be <110. Test at two hours after eating. Should be <120. Those are the ideal numbers. If that's what you have, then fine. If not, your diet isn't working for you. And what's wrong with fat? Except that it delays the absporption of carbs. So a little fat is fine. A lot is not. Can cause you to go hypo when you least expect it or spike at some weird time. > There seems to be plenty of good stuff to eat but I have trouble > fitting it into my "real world." that is, single, working, lazy, cranky > and getting old. I've only known that I'm diabetic for 6 months and I'm > trying, at least I think I am, to keep my "no no" intake to a minimum. > I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would > be a better word - daily (actually, weekly). Eating the same things is not a problem so long as it's a balanced diet. > I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many > carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so > I'm going to keep doing it. Sugar is a carb just like any other. Of course it's an empty calories so it depends on how you're looking at it. Nutritionally speaking? Or in terms of BG? The drinking however needs to be monitored if you have diabetes. Treat alcohol as a fat because that's how it's metabolized in the body. And factor in those carbs! > Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it > here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll > die!" > > I don't eat Breakfast. Bad idea. If you don't break the fast, your BG will go higher. Even if it's a cracker and a piece of cheese, you must eat something. > For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce, > tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and > pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know). Waaay too many carbs for me but might work for you. Plus I hate Subway. No matter how big the sandwich, it doesn't fill me up and it doesn't taste good. It's all lettuce and not much else. > For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken > leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol > (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine). Seems okay except for the beer. You don't need the carbs from that. > For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream > (10g carbs, 4g sugar). Why do you need dessert? I never have it. But again, if your BG is fine then I guess it's fine for you. That meal would be too many carbs for me again though. And too much food. But then I'm a woman. > Sometime, through the day, I drink a large diet Dr. Pepper, my thermal > cup of Crystal Lite Peach Tea (no sugar/carbs) a lot of water and 3 or > 4 cups of decaf coffee. No problems there. > That's my entire diet. I rarely eat or drink anything else. Fbg runs > 100/120 - between meals 78/100 - 1 hour after meals 130'150 - 2 hours > after meals around 120. Try adding a bit of fat to the meals, but otherwise the numbers seem okay. > One other thing - which I also mentioned to my doctor who gave a > reluctant OK to it - I have a lot of congestion at night and when I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > sugar). If I could find anything else (suggestions?) that would do the > job, I would. Dunno, but you should try to find the cause of it. > Because of my schedule, work, timing (and stubbornly cavalier attitude > towards my condition), I eat things that are, figuratively speaking, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya > think? Seems like your numbers are pretty good. > Test your BG before you eat. Should be <110. Test at two hours after > eating. Should be <120. Those are the ideal numbers. If that's what you > have, then fine. If not, your diet isn't working for you. And what's wrong > with fat? Except that it delays the absporption of carbs. So a little fat > is fine. A lot is not. Can cause you to go hypo when you least expect it > or spike at some weird time. I think I probably have this covered..... some fat. George, my dog, doesn't get all the chicken skin. I generally burn it and, anyway, I like the crisp part. > Why do you need dessert? I never have it. But again, if your BG is fine > then I guess it's fine for you. That meal would be too many carbs for me > again though. And too much food. But then I'm a woman. > Seems like your numbers are pretty good. Why dessert?..... Other than loving Ice Cream, fate has seen fit to deny me the goodies that bring light to the eyes of my inner child. It's my small defiance.... my crying, "Up yours!" to fate. Besides, George doesn't like to eat alone. Thanks John www.askunclejohn.com > I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet, > etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > into all the above figuring it was the best I could do. So, whatdoya > think? http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/291ee7e976824b48? May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear John whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought ... and continue to be blessed: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee (note: Only those who are blessed by LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, will have access to these and other related OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by TheWellnessFoundation.com) Rev 6:1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2 I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. >> I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet, >> etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by > TheWellnessFoundation.com) First, I want to say it sounds like you are on the right tract. You are taking good steps to improve your diet, cutting down on alcohol, and checking your blood sugar. This is a lot more than many people with diabetes do. It sounds to me that you are trying to find out more about your disease and what you can do to improve your health. I think the big problem is that you haven't found a good source. I think you need to go back to your doctor and ask for a referral to a nutritionist who is familiar with diabetes or to a diabetes education program. It sounds to me that you are trying to do this alone when there should be excellent resources where you live. You should also find *good* books about diabetes and learn all you can. I would also talk to your doctor about whether you should be drikning at all. My guess is that what you are doing (abour 4 or 5 drinks a week, it sounds like) is perfectly fine. Someone else mentioned a good word: Excercise. My guess is that you need to get more excercise. You definitely need to make sure that regular excercise is part of your plan and that you need to talk to your doctor about this. Finally, I wonder if some sort of mental health counseling may benefit you as well. You suggested that you don't ger recognized at work. There was also frustration about how things are going in your letter. I can't tell from the tone of your letter if this is a major problem or if this is just a little frustration from what is going on. Good luck. Please keep us posted on your progress. Jeff > Finally, I wonder if some sort of mental health counseling may benefit you > as well. I understand that I have mental health issues and, after many conversations with my bartender, have concluded that they can, probably, be resolved by an experienced hooker. My original post, slightly dramatized in an, obviously, failed attempt at light humor, may very well have contained hints (subconscious and undeliberate - 'is that a word?') suggesting to the reader that some form of emotional guidance would be helpful given this new and decidedly unwelcome influence in my life. It's something to think about. Actually, I believe everyone can benefit from a little therapy. (Ever notice when someone says, "...something to think about," it's something they intend to forget - and by saying, "..... everyone can benefit," I generalize the issue away from me, personally? I guess that, in itself, demonstrates my need for counseling...lol) Seriously, Jeff, giving your observation thought - I think my mental health issue is more the need to accept my diabetes as a serious fact rather than an annoying nuisance. I don't think the reality has sunk in quite yet. In considering your statement (yes, when people speak, I listen), it occurred to me that I may be treating diet and lifestyle changes more as a hobby than a requirement. So, in the spirit of, "It's something to think about," (lol) in the future I'll, mentally, refer to your observation when I find myself lollygagging around about my condition. A newly recognized and valuable new tool. > You suggested that you don't ger recognized at work. Just another, pitifully failed attempted at humor on my part. > There was also frustration about how things are going in your letter. I can't tell from > the tone of your letter if this is a major problem or if this is just a > little frustration from what is going on. Frustration-wise, my only problem, and this has got to be very common among the newly diagnosed, is there not being a standardized (simple) menu, or list of foods.... you know, "OK, I'm a diabetic so I'll just eat this stuff from now on." Standard dialog, in a discussion of what to eat, seems to be: "You can eat Kiwis, but maybe not.... and never during a full moon. Test after eating them.... if bg is high, eat a carrot instead - never eat carrots. Never eat carbs.... eat some carbs." Ok, ridiculous but, to the newbie, each individual bit of information is like a single worm in big can of worms all squiggling and squirming around in a confusing mass. One searches for a species of worms that march in ordered ranks and, not finding, them becomes frustrated...... (jeez, Jeff, I just read that back.... you're right! I do need a shrink!). Anyway, most seem to agree that my present diet is an adequate basis to build on, which was the reassurance I was seeking, so I'm sure the frustration will diminish with experience and continued attention to this group. My experience with the professional health community, so to speak, has been limited to my one doctor telling me I have diabetes and to limit my intake of sugar and starches and to prescribe Lyrica for neuropathy, Actos and vitamins. I thought that was all there was to it. After finding this group, I am stunned, amazed, that I was turned loose with little more than a "don't eat sugar" statement from my doctor. I suspect this is common. Thanks John www.askunclejohn.com > Frustration-wise, my only problem, and this has got to be very common > among the newly diagnosed, is there not being a standardized (simple) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Test after eating them.... if bg is high, eat a carrot instead - never > eat carrots. Never eat carbs.... eat some carbs." If you want to keep it simple and not have to do a lot of testing to figure out what to eat, just eat meat, fish, dairy and non starchy veggies. If you want more variety, you have to be more willing to test a lot and figure out your own best eating plan. Susan > If you want to keep it simple and not have to do a lot of testing to > figure out what to eat, just eat meat, fish, dairy and non starchy > veggies. I guess that's what I've been doing out of laziness. My version of "kiss." I think I've figured out - If it grows underground, don't eat it. > If you want more variety, you have to be more willing to test > a lot and figure out your own best eating plan. I hate it when you're right. It was a lot easier when mom told me what to eat. I want my mommy. Thanks John www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/promo.html > > If you want to keep it simple and not have to do a lot of testing to > > figure out what to eat, just eat meat, fish, dairy and non starchy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "kiss." I think I've figured out - If it grows underground, don't eat > it. Yabbut, I'm recalling my sister's sixth grade teacher who thought that potatoes grew above ground. ;-) > > If you want more variety, you have to be more willing to test > > a lot and figure out your own best eating plan. > > I hate it when you're right. It was a lot easier when mom told me what > to eat. I want my mommy. A friend of mine who also grew up in a dysfunctional home once wailed, "I want my mommy! No, I don't. I want someone else's mommy!" Suggestion: fresh raspberries with cream (and maybe a little Splenda) -- a dessert fit for the gods which is unlikely to spike you, but test anyway. Priscilla, T2 > A friend of mine who also grew up in a dysfunctional home once wailed, > "I want my mommy! No, I don't. I want someone else's mommy!" LOL! > Suggestion: fresh raspberries with cream (and maybe a little Splenda) > -- a dessert fit for the gods which is unlikely to spike you, but test > anyway. Now yer talkin.... that sounds like my new breakfast. I'm writing all this down. Thanks John www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/lastpage.html Hi John, I know others have already addressed the issue of breakfast, but I've got to add my 2 cents. ;-) While your condition is probably mild that skipping breakfast isn't doing any harm, it's really better if you eat something. Why? Well, it goes something like this. Your liver is constantly helping your body to regulate BG. It's part is to release glucose into the bloodstream when it senses you're low. The kicker is, the liver can't actually sense glucose levels; what it senses are insulin levels. So when your insulin level is low, it kicks out more glucose, because in a non-diabetic person, when insulin is low, glucose is low. In diabetics, it doesn't always work that way. We can have elevated BG levels and low insulin, so the liver is actually making the problem worse. The best thing you can do is to eat a little something, which bumps of the BG a tad, and also gets your body to increase insulin, bringing your BG back down into lower territory. As for breakfast ideas, I grill a bunch of chicken breasts, slice them up, pack them into 1 meal portions and refrigerate (or freeze). In the morning, I just take one bag out and nuke it. I can also tolerate a 1/2 C of refried beans (also nuked). I smother both with salsa. Sometimes instead of chicken, I have 1/2 a turkey burger. If I have time, I prepare eggs--boiled, fried in olive oil, scrambled. Now that I have done all the diet experimenting (I've been doing this a little over a year), I do stick to pretty much the same diet. And as Susan said, the safe foods are always protein, dairy, nuts, and green leafy veggies. (Unlike you, I can't tolerate much in the way of bread, etc.) Nuts make a great snack, by the way. Oh, and if you can practice portion control, popcorn makes a good snack. I can eat 2 cups with no problems. I often sprinkle the nuts in there for a kind of "trail mix" kind of thing. Hope these ideas help.  SignatureMichelle, T2 diet & exercise >> A friend of mine who also grew up in a dysfunctional home once wailed, >> "I want my mommy! No, I don't. I want someone else's mommy!" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > John > www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/lastpage.html >> Finally, I wonder if some sort of mental health counseling may benefit >> you [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > with little more than a "don't eat sugar" statement from my doctor. I > suspect this is common. This, I think, is the root of your frustration. Ask your doctor for a consultation with a nutritionist. A lot of hospitals have education programs for diabetics. You may also want to get a consultation with a diabetes specialist or endocrinologist. I am concerned that you have neuropathy, and this is all the doc did. Jeff > Thanks > John > www.askunclejohn.com > I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet, > etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I eat the same things, almost ritually - well, I guess habitually would > be a better word - daily (actually, weekly). I heartily recommend you read Dr. Richard Bernstein's "Diabetes Solution" - I have modified my diet according to his guidelines, and it does make a difference. Any time I stray very far the BG starts up. You'd also be well advised to start an exercise program - bicycle if you hate walking, whatever but do it - regularly. > I get frustrated when trying to figure out if I'm eating too many > carbs, or too little.... if I can have a little sugar, or none at all. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I told my doctor - he snarled a little but didn't hit me or anything so > I'm going to keep doing it. IMHO - you can't hardly have too few carbs. Wine is best a dry red wine if you imbibe. Beer I limit to the occasional meal with pasta or pizza. > Anyway, I hoped someone would comment on what I eat if I posted it > here. That is, will someone say, "Oh my God, don't eat that or you'll > die!" > > I don't eat Breakfast. You need to. Else your BG will keep increasing - see 'dawn phenomenon'. > For lunch I have a Subway sandwich on the whole wheat bun with lettuce, > tomato, onions, green peppers, olives, oil and vinegar and salt and > pepper - with a small bag of Doritos (Doritos - yeah, I know). I'd scrap the bun and the doritos. > For dinner I have, depending on the day, fish, steak, ham or a chicken > leg quarter (I give the skin to the dog). 1 whole tomato, one whole [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > each) which keeps me from drinking (craving out of habit) alcohol > (This, except for my 2 days off when I drink the Heinekens or wine). tomato and onion do indeed have some carbs. Grapes are high. Cottage cheese should be replaced by a firm cheese. - dump the o'douls that's too much carbs. FYI - Dr. Bernstein recommends a TOTAL of about 30 grams carbs per day. > For dessert, my dog and I have a bowl of Breyers Carb Smart ice cream > (10g carbs, 4g sugar). [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > John > www.digitalbirdcrap.com IMHO - you're killing yourself with way too many carbs. I stop reading after your first line I dont eat breakfast. It is the most important meal of the day. You may fijnd that you have higher numbers as you get to lunch, because your liver has to dump gluose to protect your body. YOu are doing yourself a disservice. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > I read all the threads, within reason, having to do with food, diet, > etc. I've wandered through the web checking sites and resources [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > John > www.digitalbirdcrap.com John, you are a funny guy and you have summed up the newbie experience pretty well. I hope you keep posting about your observations, they are a hoot :-) I would just add to others' comments that you should eat breakfast. A lot of diabetics find they can't eat any/many carbs in the morning, but some can with no problem, so you have to test to find out what you can tolerate. I'm always late for work and hate to cook, so what works for me is to microwave a can of green veggies of some kind have that. Sometimes I add fruit or a piece of toast. Add a little exercise to your morning routine if you can work it in. YMMV! I look forward to your posts. Best, Ricavito >...... what works for me is to microwave a can of green veggies of some kind have that. > Sometimes I add fruit or a piece of toast. Add a little exercise to > your morning routine if you can work it in. YMMV! I assume by "YMMV" you mean "yummie." Somehow, I can't attach "yummie" to a can of asparagus for breakfast but, if you say so, I'll try it. (...no I won't,,,yuk). I think I'll just do the "Sometimes I add fruit of a piece of toast" part. Any suggestions on totally "safe" fruit for gorging? Thanks John www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/page20.html > >...... what works for me is to microwave a can of green veggies of some kind have that. > > Sometimes I add fruit or a piece of toast. Add a little exercise to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > John > www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/page20.html YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary! Well, eat your veggies anyway, take 'em like medicine. Hold your nose and gulp them down. Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found at the health food store), mixed with a handful of raw almonds, because I can eat them while driving to work :-) But I had a grapefruit this morning. Best, Ricavito > YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary! Thank God..... I was seeing myself, a few years down the road, resigned to my fate, crawling out of bed in the morning, stumbling to the kitching hawking and choking..... mumbling, "yummie" to a can of microwaved green beans. > Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese > mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found > at the health food store), mixed with a handful of raw almonds, because > I can eat them while driving to work :-) But I had a grapefruit this > morning. Blueberry are safe?... fresh, I assume. And grapefruit? (gotta tree outside - none on it right now and, being a native Floridian, would be embarrased to buy them - could get my Yankee friend next door to pick up a few.... gotta orange tree, too, but was told they were a no no). Thanks John www.gulfcomp.com > > YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > embarrased to buy them - could get my Yankee friend next door to pick > up a few.... gotta orange tree, too, but was told they were a no no). The only way you'll find out what *you* can eat is to try them and test, test, test. Have you read http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm yet? Priscilla > The only way you'll find out what *you* can eat is to try them and test, > test, test. Have you read > http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm yet? Yes, I have. And, thanks for reminding me of the site. It's probably a good idea for newbies like me, whose pea-sized brain only retains knowledge related to bright shiny objects for more than a few minutes at a time, to carefull, re-read it, occasionally. Too bad doctors aren't familiar with, and refer patients to, "Jenifer." Oh Ok... Ok! I'll test more often. Jeez, Priscilla, My fingers are sore. Hey, my first girlfriend's name was Priscilla. No sh... well. I just wish for a simpler world with "Type1" - "Type2" and mine, "TypeSimple." Instructions?.... eat steak, go home, watch TV, get drunk and call me in the morning. Thanks John P.S - Yes, it's all soaking in and I'm learning www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/puddle.html > > The only way you'll find out what *you* can eat is to try them and test, > > test, test. Have you read [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > at a time, to carefull, re-read it, occasionally. Too bad doctors > aren't familiar with, and refer patients to, "Jenifer." Truer words were never spoke. > Oh Ok... Ok! I'll test more often. Jeez, Priscilla, My fingers are > sore. Suggestion: turn down your lancet device to a low setting and make sure to always warm up your hands (can do it while washing them) before testing. (I also sometimes shake them with the hand pointed down.) That makes it easier to get the necessary drop without totally gouging yourself. Also experiment with where on your finger you jab. Many recommend the sides, but I've found on some fingers jabbing the pad is painless and fruitful. Also move around with which fingers you use. You'll probably find that some fingers are better than others, as well as some spots are better than others. And keep that lancet on as low a setting as you can. Experiment. For most people it doesn't have to be painful. BTW, most of us change our lancets only once or twice a year. Some find they get more comfortable as they get "broken in." > Hey, my first girlfriend's name was Priscilla. No sh... well. Tweren't me! I had a crush on a guy named John in high school, but I've never dated someone by your name. ;-) (Nowadays I'd be more likely dating a "Joan!" *winky*) > I just wish for a simpler world with "Type1" - "Type2" and mine, > "TypeSimple." Instructions?.... eat steak, and a good big salad > go home, watch TV, get drunk > and call me in the morning. Drop back your libation consumption a bit, make it red wine, and you can call it a health treatment! Priscilla > Drop back your libation consumption a bit, make it red wine, and you > can call it a health treatment! What is libation? I thought I knew most words ;) : > Drop back your libation consumption a bit, make it red : wine, and you : > can call it a health treatment! : What is libation? I thought I knew most words ;) Libations were liquids, oftn alcoholic, offered to the gods in ancient times. today, it generally means alcoholic drinks having nothing to do with the gods whatsoever. (is that really one workd:-) Wendy [Default] On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:37:38 +1100, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> Drop back your libation consumption a bit, make it red >wine, and you >> can call it a health treatment! > >What is libation? I thought I knew most words ;) alcoholic drinks. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > > Drop back your libation consumption a bit, make it red > wine, and you > > can call it a health treatment! > > What is libation? I thought I knew most words ;) Drink. Priscilla On 1/9/07 1:37 PM, in article 12q82pigtq59p56@news.supernews.com, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> wrote: >> Drop back your libation consumption a bit, make it red > wine, and you >> can call it a health treatment! > > What is libation? I thought I knew most words ;) Libation? A nice alchoholic drinkbe it a martini or wine, etc. Martha T2 Canada >. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks > John berries in general are safe in MODERATION you have to watch that the grapefruit isn't contra-indicated with any of the meds you are taking ! what's wrong with an orange? you can have 1 small orange or 1/2 a large orange in a sitting..... built in with your meal plan so that the fructose doesn't spike your bg levels kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. A few strawberries work well for me occasionally, as does a small slice of cantaloupe when it's in season. Cheri Ricavito wrote in message >Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese >mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Ricavito > A few strawberries work well for me occasionally, as does a small slice > of cantaloupe when it's in season. Have seen warnings about strawberries and melons (sugar)..... but, you're saying "a few, occasionally.... a small slice." Ok, I'm beginning to understand. (little light going on in John's head) Still, are there any fruits you can just wallow in? Are we doomed to a life of "a little." Aren't there any bust out goodies to cram in your mouth and giggle insanely over. Will I become a conservative? Thanks John www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/jmcb.html No, unfortunately, I don't think there is any fruit that one can just wallow in. At least I haven't found one. I have found that certain veggies can fill in to take a fruit craving away, such as sweet peppers, celery with a bit of cream cheese sweetened with Equal or a bit of peanut butter. For me, it's not about finding things that taste exactly the same as some things, but things that are an acceptable substitute. Haven't found one for watermelon yet though. ;-) Cheri yeah-sure wrote in message >Still, are there any fruits you can just wallow in? Are we doomed to a >life of "a little." Aren't there any bust out goodies to cram in your [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >John >www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/jmcb.html I portion control my fruit and have at least one every day. I love asian pears, which are apples and pears mixed together. One apple can last me four days, They are very big they are delicious. today, I had a half of a tangerine, it did not affect my numbers drastically. everyone has to try for themselves I can eat ten grapes, a slice or two of canteloupe and honeydew. Yesterday I had half of a peach. Everyone has to see for themselves how fruit works for them Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > No, unfortunately, I don't think there is any fruit that one can just > wallow in. At least I haven't found one. I have found that certain > veggies can fill in to take a fruit craving away, such as sweet peppers, > celery with a bit of cream cheese sweetened with Equal or a bit of > peanut butter. John: "I want a big piece of apple pie a la mode with butterscotch syrup on top." Cheri: "Here, John. Have this sweet pepper and a nice bite of celery." Conclusion: Cheri is not a fun date. > John: "I want a big piece of apple pie a la mode with butterscotch > syrup on top." > > Cheri: "Here, John. Have this sweet pepper and a nice bite of celery." > > Conclusion: Cheri is not a fun date. Alternative conclusion: John suffers from a lack of imagination. ;-) Susan Hey, you forgot the peanut butter on the celery. That's what makes me a fun date. Make it chunky peanut butter and that makes me a spectacular date. LOL Seriously, as you go along, you'll find things like zucchini squash with artificial sweetener and cinnamon can easily take the place of apple pie. Add a few walnut pieces, and a dollop of whipped cream, and you won't miss the pie ala mode...most times. Cheri yeah-sure wrote in message >John: "I want a big piece of apple pie a la mode with butterscotch >syrup on top." > >Cheri: "Here, John. Have this sweet pepper and a nice bite of celery." > >Conclusion: Cheri is not a fun date. > Hey, you forgot the peanut butter on the celery. That's what makes me a > fun date. Make it chunky peanut butter and that makes me a spectacular > date. LOL Seriously, as you go along, you'll find things like zucchini > squash with artificial sweetener and cinnamon can easily take the place > of apple pie. Add a few walnut pieces, and a dollop of whipped cream, > and you won't miss the pie ala mode...most times. Jeez, Cheri, you really *aren't* a fun date! ;-P How about a flourless, erythritol sweetened dark chocolate torte with real whipped cream? Or low carb cheesecake? Or dark chocolate covered almonds (which I'm having now)? Susan Well those could work too. Just so he knows that it's not good to have them all at once. LOL Cheri >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Susan > Hey, you forgot the peanut butter on the celery. That's what makes me a > fun date. Make it chunky peanut butter and that makes me a spectacular > date. LOL Is there any kind of flour substitute you might be able to make a cake like thing with? John www.digitalbirdcrap.com In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:50:03 GMT in Msg.# <fDXoh.15940$Pe7.11973@trnddc04>, "johnniemccoy@" > Is there any kind of flour substitute you might be able to make a cake like > thing with? Maybe almond flour. What is really great is low carb cheesecake. Crusts made with almond flour are delish, too. SignatureDonnaB : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel "Hence the educational ideal is not uniformity but unity, for unity allows diversity of points of view regarding the good means to a good end." - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen Yes, what Donna said. I don't think you can beat a good almond flour crust. It works well for certain cookies, muffins, etc. too. Also good as breading for certain things. Cheri DonnaB shallotpeel wrote in message ... >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:50:03 GMT in Msg.# ><fDXoh.15940$Pe7.11973@trnddc04>, "johnniemccoy@" [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >diversity of points of view regarding the good means to a good end." - >Bishop Fulton J. Sheen > Yes, what Donna said. I don't think you can beat a good almond flour > crust. It works well for certain cookies, muffins, etc. too. Also good > as breading for certain things. Darn! I was just shopping. I wandered through the flour isle to see if there was and foodless flour and I saw Almond Flour but didn't look at the stats. I gave up perusing too soon. John In alt.support.diabetes on Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:18:38 -0800 in Msg.# <-OmdnZalwcxLxznYnZ2dnUVZ_s6onZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > Yes, what Donna said. I don't think you can beat a good almond flour > crust. It works well for certain cookies, muffins, etc. too. Also good > as breading for certain things. Muffins made with almond flour, yum, ... I think I have to go take one out of the fridge & zap it right NOW. <G> SignatureDonnaB : ^> <*> 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 "Without deviation, progress is not possible." - Frank Zappa >> Hey, you forgot the peanut butter on the celery. That's what makes me a >> fun date. Make it chunky peanut butter and that makes me a spectacular [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > John > www.digitalbirdcrap.com Absolutely--almond flour. Had almond flour cake for my birthday a couple of weeks. It was similar to a pound cake, covered in unsweetened cherry pie filling and topped with whip cream. Delicious! SignatureMichelle, T2 diet & exercise Yes, but Cheri is a "live" date. ;-) SignatureMichelle, T2 diet & exercise >> No, unfortunately, I don't think there is any fruit that one can just >> wallow in. At least I haven't found one. I have found that certain [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Conclusion: Cheri is not a fun date. >>> No, unfortunately, I don't think there is any fruit that one can just >>> wallow in. At least I haven't found one. I have found that certain [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> Conclusion: Cheri is not a fun date. LOL. You underestimate our dear Cheri. What she misses in fruit wallowing she makes up for with tomato beers. And a LOT of really good music. I am LMAO. You know me too well Laura, but I do use an occasional celery stalk in those tomato beers. :-) Hope you're having a great start to the New Year. Cheri Laura@notmy.com wrote in message ... >LOL. You underestimate our dear Cheri. What she misses in fruit >wallowing she makes up for with tomato beers. And a LOT of really >good music. > Yes, but Cheri is a "live" date. ;-) Beverage warning, please!!! Susan LOL! :-) SignatureMichelle, T2 diet & exercise > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Susan : John: "I want a big piece of apple pie a la mode with butterscotch : syrup on top." : Cheri: "Here, John. Have this sweet pepper and a nice bite of celery." : Conclusion: Cheri is not a fun date. John Right now you feel very unfairly put upon by this disease. After a while and after you get used to a new eating style, new habits form and it is not as bad. You also find ways to work around the limitations. I like to regard myself as in a competition with the diabetes and I find ways to fool it by devising or using recipes that are delicious without being carby. I make a fabulous low carb-lower fat lemon cheesecake that even my husband, who is a cheesecake expert says is excellent. I also make a tofu-chocolae mousse that can knock your socks off. At Thanksgiving I make an apple pie with artificial sweetener and only one (the top) crust, as well as a great cranberry sauce I can eat plenty of. When I do this I am saying to the diabetes"Ha ha! You thought I was never going t be able to eat this kind of food agian. I really fooled you!!" I don't have to do this very often, but it is there when I need it. I also eat the low(not no)fat no sugar added ice cream. Edys (Dreyers in the West) is very good. just don't eat a ton, just a custrd cupful. Don't despair as it will get better and the resentment will fade as you begin to find your new diet normal. I have had this for 20 yers and no insulin yet adn good bgs and A1cs. Realy, if I cando it, you certainly can and still enjoy our life. If you don't do it you really won't enjoy your life because the complications can be so awful-heart attack, stroke, kidney failure, blindness, amputation, etc. No fun at all. Wendy > John Right now you feel very unfairly put upon by this disease. Yes.... very damned put upon. Not so much unfairly, though. Something, very heavy, hangs over everyones head.... in my life, nothing too terribly heavy has hung there... now something does. That's show biz! > After a while and after you get used to a new eating style, new habits form and it > is not as bad. You also find ways to work around the limitations. I like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > am saying to the diabetes"Ha ha! You thought I was never going t be able > to eat this kind of food agian. I really fooled you!!" See! I can't do all that. I'm a single guy who's lucky to find a pair of clean socks somewhere around the house. Before all this started I just ate what I could reach without moving too far from my TV chair. Maybe I should get married again..... get somebody to cook, clean house and.....naaaa, did that 4 times and liked to never got rid of em. Why is it when you marry a woman, the first thing they wanna do is move in with you?.... put doileys under everything. > I don't have to do this very often, but it is there when I need it. I > also eat the low(not no)fat no sugar added ice cream. Edys (Dreyers in > the West) is very good. just don't eat a ton, just a custrd cupful. Try the Breyers Carb Smart... less no-no's than the No Sugar Added. See, I'm learning. > Don't despair as it will get better and the resentment will fade as you > begin to find your new diet normal. I have had this for 20 yers and no > insulin yet adn good bgs and A1cs. Realy, if I cando it, you certainly > can and still enjoy our life. If you don't do it you really won't enjoy > your life because the complications can be so awful-heart attack, stroke, > kidney failure, blindness, amputation, etc. No fun at all. Thanks. All kidding aside, good helpful post. John www.askunclejohn.com >See! I can't do all that. I'm a single guy who's lucky to find a pair >of clean socks somewhere around the house. So, a new area for you to get competent in : ) Learning how to cook will broaden your horizons dramatically. Check out alt.food.diabetic for recipes. Nicky. T2 DX 05/2004 A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E 100ug Thyroxine > So, a new area for you to get competent in : ) Learning how to cook > will broaden your horizons dramatically. > > Check out alt.food.diabetic for recipes. Oh Wow! Just gotta share this. Had big dinner tonight (my dinner time is 2am). 2 Flounder filets fried in butter and garlic - 5-6 large florets broccoli dipped in Buitoni's Alfredo Sauce (good stuff) - half large onion and half cucumber dipped in Ranch - Pile of cottage cheese, 2 glasses wine (my day off)..... why am I so happy?.... 1 hour after bg 120..2 hours after bg 92. Cool, huh? Course I just ruined it with 2 helpings of ice cream before bed...hehe. John >Oh Wow! Just gotta share this. Had big dinner tonight (my dinner time >is 2am). 2 Flounder filets fried in butter and garlic - 5-6 large [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >120..2 hours after bg 92. Cool, huh? Course I just ruined it with 2 >helpings of ice cream before bed...hehe. Sounds delicious, too :D Now, you've got to figure out if it's volume or servings you need on the icecream front. Volume you can deal with by using lowest carb stuff, eating it with a smaller spoon, and serving it in a smaller bowl to make it seem more. Number of servings is my issue - so I'm happy to eat two 1/4 cup servings an hour or two apart to avoid the spike. An awful lot of diabetes control is finding your personal headology buttons : ) Nicky. T2 DX 05/2004 A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E 100ug Thyroxine > An awful lot of diabetes control is finding > your personal headology buttons : ) I like that. A lot. It's true of more than diabetes control, too. Priscilla, into headology > Still, are there any fruits you can just wallow in? Are we doomed to a > life of "a little." Aren't there any bust out goodies to cram in your > mouth and giggle insanely over. Will I become a conservative? Actually, cantaloupe has about 19 grams of carbohyrate to the pound; watermelon about 16 grams per 1/2 pound of trimmed melon; raspberries 18 grams to the half-pint; blackberries about 18 grams to the cup; blueberries about 20 grams per cup; and pink or red Florida grapefruit about 17 grams per pound. If you eat any of these for breakfast have an egg or bacon or cream with them; at other times of day have some cheese or other form of fatty protein. That will slow the absorbtion of the sugar. - Jewel > Actually, > cantaloupe has about 19 grams of carbohyrate to the pound; [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > blueberries about 20 grams per cup; > and pink or red Florida grapefruit about 17 grams per pound. Well, the grapefruit looks decent.... have to eat a lot of juice and pulp for a pound. Also, just looked up the Smuckers Diet Blackberrry..... for breakfast, looks like I could eat 2 slices of my special low carb tasteless bread slathered with that Healthy Choice buttergoo and a gob of the smuckers on each.... for a total of 22g of carbs. Sounds tasty. We're gettin somewhere here. John www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/florida2.html > Also, just looked up the Smuckers Diet Blackberrry..... for breakfast, > looks like I could eat 2 slices of my special low carb tasteless bread > slathered with that Healthy Choice buttergoo and a gob of the smuckers > on each.... for a total of 22g of carbs. Sounds tasty. I wouldn't recommend the Smuckers Diet Blackberry. It is exceptionally flavorless. Try the Fifty-50 brand in Raspberry. It really tastes like raspberry jam. By the way, a 6 oz orange has 16 grams of carbs. The problem with citrus is the sugar. It's very fast acting so you really need to get some fat in first. - Jewel > Try the Fifty-50 brand in Raspberry. It really tastes > like raspberry jam. Googled it.... looks like an NY product.... not in my local Fl stores. Am I wrong? John [Default] On 9 Jan 2007 02:11:50 -0800, "yeah-sure" <yeah-sure@nycmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> Try the Fifty-50 brand in Raspberry. It really tastes >> like raspberry jam. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >John I get the 50-fifty brands in K-mart, walmart, and any grocery store. You may have to look in the section for specialty foods. K-mart keeps them all together. So you won't find the 50-fifty brand jams and jellies with all the rest of the regular brand jams and jellies. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > > Actually, > > cantaloupe has about 19 grams of carbohyrate to the pound; [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > We're gettin somewhere here. Make that real butter and you'll be slowing down any uptick from the bread and jam. Priscilla (who has a smaller amount of real jam on her LC toast with butter) >> > Actually, >> > cantaloupe has about 19 grams of carbohyrate to the pound; [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Also, just looked up the Smuckers Diet Blackberrry..... for >> breakfast, looks like I could eat 2 slices of my special low carb >> tasteless bread slathered with that Healthy Choice buttergoo and a >> gob of the smuckers on each.... for a total of 22g of carbs. Sounds >> tasty. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Priscilla (who has a smaller amount of real jam on her LC toast with > butter) I use the cholesterol lowering type marg's and I like them but I also had real marmalade on LC toast this morning ;) LC spreads quite often just don't "cut it". I normally have an egg with the toast but the kids are on holidays and they eat most things that aren't tied down. And there are a few things they actually don't like :) marmalade, olives, fetta, nuts, marinated mushrooms.. lol Unfortunately (for me who could live on salad and veggies alone) they are making lots of big meat and tuna salad sandwiches throughout the day. I try not to visualise my lunch before I actually get to check out whether there are any ingredients left. >Also, just looked up the Smuckers Diet Blackberrry..... for breakfast, >looks like I could eat 2 slices of my special low carb tasteless bread >slathered with that Healthy Choice buttergoo and a gob of the smuckers >on each.... for a total of 22g of carbs. Sounds tasty. Sounds disgusting - give it to George, eat eggs instead? I take fruit out on a walk with me - an apple or a peach munched over the course of a walk isn't an issue. You obviously need to figure out an exercise routine first, but once you do - broader fruit horizons :D Nicky. T2 DX 05/2004 A1c 5.5% BMI 25 D&E 100ug Thyroxine > > A few strawberries work well for me occasionally, as does a small slice > > of cantaloupe when it's in season. > > Have seen warnings about strawberries and melons (sugar)..... but, > you're saying "a few, occasionally.... a small slice." Ok, I'm > beginning to understand. (little light going on in John's head) It's called "portion control," and it is very much your friend! I keep several varieties of Ben & Jerry's in my freezer. They last a long time because I stick to a 1/2 cup serving (portion control), but the fact that I can fit them into how I eat greatly improves my perceived quality of life. > Still, are there any fruits you can just wallow in? Are we doomed to a > life of "a little." Aren't there any bust out goodies to cram in your > mouth and giggle insanely over. Will I become a conservative? I'm that way with raspberries. I love it when those little boxes from Chile go on sale in mid-winter. I totally pig out and rub my healthy belly contentedly as I pick the seeds out of my teeth. I'd be that way with blueberries, too, (well, except no problem with seeds) but when I eat them raw they start a race to see who can get through the twisty race course fastest. :-( Priscilla On 1/8/07 7:32 PM, in article 1168313557.997874.32770@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com, "yeah-sure" >> A few strawberries work well for me occasionally, as does a small slice >> of cantaloupe when it's in season. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > John > www.geocities.com/johnniemccoy/jmcb.html I agree with the bulk of posters here. Fruit to be eaten sparingly. We don't need to pig out on anything. But, if you really want to binge my dietitian at diagnosis said lemons and limes are "free fruits"! (No added sugar!) Martha T2 Canada : > Any suggestions on totally "safe" fruit for gorging? : Lots of people eat blueberries. I think Wendy eats cottage cheese : mixed with blueberries for breakfast. I like blueberries dried (found : at the health food store), mixed with a handful of raw almonds, because : I can eat them while driving to work :-) But I had a grapefruit this : morning. : Best, : Ricavito Wendy coming in here. I have cottage cheese, small amounts of a few fruits, specially berries of all kinds, and top it all with a large spoonful of low fat plain yogurt. It works for me. just tested this AM, as i havn't for some months and after having the cheese and yogurt with 4 large blackb |
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