In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:35:27 GMT  in Msg.#
<jaoih.2842$Iy5.911@trnddc01>, Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
wrote:

Who is WWG?

Agreed!

I know it can be very frustrating what with all the off topic drivel.
However, I soon learned to use the delete key and use it very
liberally so I don't get to read many of the threads at all.

Despite the drivel, there are a lot of very helpful individuals who
frequent this group who can supply you with a lot of useful
information. One of the best summaries of information for a newly
diagnosed diabetic is at:

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm

Please read this and do a lot of testing to find out what your body
can tolerate in the way of foods. I've found out what will work for me
and it did not involve giving up everything I like to eat. Mind you,
my palate has changed a fair bit and I now choose different foods.

Gerry

Hilda you will soon lear to ignore anything posted by Chung and any
replies to him.

Please check out http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/
especially Newly Diagnosed.

We have a great not so little group here. We just happen to attract
some nut jobs sometimes.

I didn't think you were a troll at all. I just thought you jumper to
some erroneous conclusions, which would not be hard to do by reading
the goofy postings.

Keep us informed. We care.

Hi Hilda,

It's a shame that WebTV (from what I understand) doesn't give you the
option of putting the ones you don't want to read in the kill filter.
I'm glad you came back and gave it another try.

I've been reading here for about five years now.  And, yes, at times
the noise to news ratio can be a little heavy at times and must feel
absolutely overwhelming to a new reader.  We have our resident net
evangelist and his followers & detractors who cross post from other
groups.  It's an unfortunate fact of unmoderated groups that you have
to wade through the trash to get to the treasure.  There are a lot of
good folks who appear to be on hiatus and I look forward to their
return.

Keep hanging around and reading.  You may soon learn that with artful
use of some of these peoples' hints, you don't have to actually give
up everything you love.  You just need to learn how to incorporate
them into your new way of eating.  There may be things that you learn
you really aren't able to eat because they simply won't do on your
plan, or have to be consumed in such small quantities that you don't
feel like it is really worth it.  You may also come to find that there
are many other foods that you love that you just didn't know you
loved.  There's a saying I often see repeated here (If I could
remember who said it first I'd give them credit).  Learning to live
with diabetes is a marathon not a sprint.

I wish you well.

Laura

That must be so frustrating!

Fewer trolls on the alt.support.diabetes.uk group?

Once you are testing, so you know what you can eat, there are plenty of ways
of getting the taste of foods you love without the carbs. Another newsgroup
for you - alt.food.diabetic - but don't forget to test ther esults to make
sure they're OK for you : )

It's particularly silly at the moment. Hopefully the god-botherers will go
on holiday (or a stay in the desert, one can hope : )  after Christmas...

Nicky.

Relax Hilda, have a seat. Lets just sip some green tea together.

I know I know you may hate it. I did too when I was still the old me
eating and drinking care free.  But the news of diabetic discovery for
me
was neither gentle nor painless. Looking back I feel I was lucky to get
the boot!

This is not a beginning of a recovery process. At best with great
efforts you can stop
digging the hole. With efforts and plenty of luck you can even feel
very close
to getting out of it. But you would be working tirelessly, methodically
and persistently.

Giving up is easy. staying motivated to fight will take all you got and
some more. It is the "some more" part of the equation where we could be
of some help. Yes you will get plenty of advice that will stretch you
in every possible direction. At the end of the day (I must say every
day!) you will look back on what has worked and what has not. You will
carefully select what did not work and try finding why. You will also
see what worked and how exactly. You will try to see if it can be
repeated. None of the answerers are either obvious or easy. If you are
lucky enough to get a great medical team, you have to thank your starts
a little more gracefully. Many here are struggling with less than
optimum medical advice.

You mentioned you read all this on Web TV. I have my share of tech
savyness. But I have never read internet on webTV. I do however read
this NG using Google and have been perfectly happy to skip junk to read
what interests me and contribute where I feel I can. I suspect you can
read this NG on webTV using Google's Group app. Either way the real
nuggets of good information are yours to discover and keep.  Folks go
out of the way to search the internet to bring all kinds of relevant
information to share here. Every one has plenty of pain, discomfort and
frustration with this disability. But most of us try to share our pain
and new discoveries with best intentions in mind. None of us is perfect
individually. But the collective wisdom is unmistakable. The nature of
the technology unfortunately leavs plenty to be desired. A newbie like
you will need plenty of hand holding.

You however have to be an equally enthusiastic partner to get such a
help though. You will also quickly learn how to use keyword search to
figure out what may interest you. Chronologically reading this NG may
be least efficient way to uncover the nuggets.

Here is a start. Search for "newbie" and "Advice" and "frustrated"  or
here is a link you can click on http://tinyurl.com/y32fxf. You will get
two pages of information. I bet most would be useful.

There are other similar groups which you want to explore. The few that
come to my mind are listed below:
         o http://tinyurl.com/whgw3
               or plain misc.health.diabetes if you are using any
other news reader
         o http://tinyurl.com/ddk54
           - This one is moderated and trolls are kicked out fast
         o http://tinyurl.com/yykqqq
              or plain alt.support.diabetes.uk for folks who feel
              European system of medical help requires additional
support :-).

Anyway hope you can get adjusted to the idea of new change you have
been selected to undergo. We can be of help only if you see the need
and a way to get it :-). You are in the driver's seat. We can only show
you around if you stop by and walked in with a smile and let us know
what is it that you are looking for.

Take care buddy,

Anil

P.S. Do enjoy the Green tea. And now on green will be your color for
all things good to eat LOL

<\XXX snipped for brevity XXX\ >

Of course you're welcome. You just have to learn who to ignore. I know
you can't killfile them, but you will soon see the names (most or our
resident trolls use the same names so they can make sure that what they
say is attributed to them by the other trolls) and just bypass them. I
will look forward to your posts. :-)

--
Cheri

~Hilda~ wrote in message
<520-458A08A0-1686@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net>...

many in one group before. I will come back in and lurk some and see what
I can learn.That is if I'm still welcome.(grin)
I'm sorry if I angered anyone.I wasn't angry,I was just disappointed
after going through 2 whole pages and didn't see anything about
Diabetes.
Hugs Hilda

If you want to see lots of stupid, non-topic posts adn threads tht can
drive you from a group, try soc.history.medieval.  I chect it about once a
week to see if there are any medieval threads at all on there.   this is
mild cmpared to that mess.  

does you mail com ein threads( all on the same topic) or just single
posts?  I just don't read the threads that talk about god or have Chung in
the list and, therefore, avoid this annowyance.  There is plent of good
stuff here, even excepting % and some "you are" I'm not,you are" kinds f
arguments with everyone maintinint they are protecting the newbies from
the "wrong advice of the other side.  these you ust have to sift out and
find what works for YOU.  Remember that diabetes  is very much a YMMV kind
of disease.  You mileage may very is very true for much of the advice and
suggestions fo rwht foods work well.

Wendy

Well, one poster's troll is another poster's charming correspondent.

I agree that the signal to noise ratio in here is sometimes tiresome,
especially in this holiday season which seems to bring out the stress
puppies letting off steam.  I just skip over the stuff that bores me.

I hope you will continue to post, you sound like a fun person to chat
with.

Best wishes,

Ricavito

[Default] On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 22:08:00 -0600, BarefootGranny@webtv.net
(~Hilda~) Giggled into the madness of usenet:

eh, you haven't angered anyone.  not that it would matter if you did.
no one individual is more important than the next.

as for the religious trolls, check the headers you will see that the
responses are coming from about 5 to 7 different groups, being cross
posted, and it's all being perpetuated by one mentally ill troll by
the name of chung.

there is a web interface to the diabetic chat room.  it may be more to
your liking and you won't have to put up with chung or any of the
responses he intentionally seeks from the non-diabetic groups in his
desperate but sick attempt for attention.

Are you saying this troll guy, or this troll, Guy? Guy, our Guy, is not
a troll, far from it. He's full of wisdom. Just wanted to clear that up.

--
Cheri

~Hilda~ wrote in message
<461-458AC81C-1868@storefull-3132.bay.webtv.net>...
No Ray I didn't read Kevin's responses.I didn't read any of them
really.I just kept scrolling down for 2 pages and never did see anything
about Diabetes.Sorry,
I'll try to begin in here again.Gee, this troll Guy and his followers
are NUTS. LOL

So, you posted something semi-inflamatory and didn't bother to read the
responses.  Did it not occur to you that there might be something
helpful in those responses?  Do you think that's a good way to introduce
yourself to the group?  How likely do you think folks will be to reply
to you or take you seriously if they know you're liable to ignore their
replies?

I'm bothering because you did read Ray's reply.

Priscilla

The   name  of the game is to consider others and deal with other is a
fair way.      Unfortunately some lack the mental capacity to
understand  this.  It leads to a lot of harm to all of us..Wish
we practiced what we preach in the holiday season.

In old age, it looks so silly.    Have a nice holiday and
try to make this group a support group.