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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006Capsaicin role in diabetes and cancer, IT'S NOT KILLING NERVES!
Earlier this year, researchers at UCLA were able to shrink prostate tumors in mice 80% by using capsaicin. And now researchers in Canada have reversed diabetes in mice using the same compound. In addition, Dr. William Wong has case histories of reversing Type 1 diabetes using proteolytic enzymes. So what is the common element in all these cases? It's fibrin. Tumor cells have 15 times as much fibrin around them as normal cells. Fibrin is an inflammatory protein. So it ought to be clear it's incorrect to attribute the mechanism of action for reversing diabetes and prostate tumors in mice to killing the nerves. It's preposterous to think that, in fact. Nerves are required for normal function. Without them the beta cells would not perform better but not at all! Properly functioning beta cells are required for the production of insulin. To put it plainly, it is stupid to think killing beta nerve cells helps to produce insulin! Quite simply, as was demonstrated by the UCLA study on cancer, capsaicin affects the fibrin. It's not shrinking tumors by killing nerve cells. For people who are ignorant of the properties of protein enzymes, they are able to differentiate between tissue damaged by fibrin and healthy tissue. How? Chalk it up to the miracle of Mother Nature and ultimately God. > Earlier this year, researchers at UCLA were able to shrink prostate > tumors in mice 80% by using capsaicin. > > And now researchers in Canada have reversed diabetes in mice using the > same compound. No they didn't. They used capsaicin to kill the nerves in newborn mice (two days old), but they used substance P to reverse diabetes. > In addition, Dr. William Wong has case histories of reversing Type 1 > diabetes using proteolytic enzymes. Which have virtually zero scientific validiy. These were on an advertising site, not reported in any journal. > So what is the common element in all these cases? It's fibrin. Tumor > cells have 15 times as much fibrin around them as normal cells. Fibrin > is an inflammatory protein. Diabetes doesn't result from a tumor. > So it ought to be clear it's incorrect to attribute the mechanism of > action for reversing diabetes and prostate tumors in mice to killing > the nerves. Actually, I haven't read the papers for the prostate tumors, so I have no comment. For the diabetes, it is clear that they gave substance P to mice, the diabetes was reversed. > It's preposterous to think that, in fact. Nerves are > required for normal function. Without them the beta cells would not > perform better but not at all! Properly functioning beta cells are > required for the production of insulin. That's not true. Pancreatic islets do function for a time when transplanted. But there is no nerves involved. If you had bothered to read the actual cell paper, you would have learned that the nerve fibers were involved in modulating how the immune system works. They didn't directly cause the beta cells to do their thing. Rather, they let the immune system cells do their thing, that is, let the beta cells alone. > To put it plainly, it is stupid to think killing beta nerve cells helps > to produce insulin! What are beta nerve cells? You can't even get the terminology right. > Quite simply, as was demonstrated by the UCLA study on cancer, > capsaicin affects the fibrin. It's not shrinking tumors by killing > nerve cells. Your logic totally suspect here. It is quite posible that capsaicin has one mechanism of action in one tissue and a totally different mechanism of action in another tissue. > For people who are ignorant of the properties of protein enzymes, they > are able to differentiate between tissue damaged by fibrin and healthy > tissue. Ignorant people might think that. > How? Chalk it up to the miracle of Mother Nature and ultimately > God. Chalking it up to a miracle is not a good form of science. Proteolytic enzymes have no brains or way of knowing what is healthy and what isn't. Have a good day. Jeff > > Earlier this year, researchers at UCLA were able to shrink prostate > > tumors in mice 80% by using capsaicin. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Which have virtually zero scientific validity. These were on an advertising > site, not reported in any journal. He reported what happened. If advertising disqualifies him, then it also disaqualifies every medical journal that accepts drug ads, and ads for the latest ray gun for killing tissue. > > So what is the common element in all these cases? It's fibrin. Tumor > > cells have 15 times as much fibrin around them as normal cells. Fibrin [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Actually, I haven't read the papers for the prostate tumors, so I have no > comment. Try using the brain God gave you. When a cell has 15 times the fibrin content surrounding it, and the tumor shrinks, try to put on your thinking cap. > For the diabetes, it is clear that they gave substance P to mice, the > diabetes was reversed. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > cause the beta cells to do their thing. Rather, they let the immune system > cells do their thing, that is, let the beta cells alone. It would take a person who thinks severing feet is better than $37 to reverse the pathology in minutes to argue that dead nerve cells help the body to produce insulin. BTW, the researchers are surmising what they think happened. But that part makes no sense...you don't produce insulin by killing nerve cells. That's so obvious that a child could understand it. But if you perfer the saw to sense, you'll argue anything. > > To put it plainly, it is stupid to think killing beta nerve cells helps > > to produce insulin! [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jeff Of course there is a chemical reason why porotein enzymes differentiate between fibrosis and healthy tissue. Dr. Wong provides his reasoning at his website. >> > Earlier this year, researchers at UCLA were able to shrink prostate >> > tumors in mice 80% by using capsaicin. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > also disaqualifies every medical journal that accepts drug ads, and ads > for the latest ray gun for killing tissue. There is a large difference between a peer-reviewed journal like JAMA that accepts advertising and testimonials on a website selling things. >> > So what is the common element in all these cases? It's fibrin. Tumor >> > cells have 15 times as much fibrin around them as normal cells. Fibrin [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > content surrounding it, and the tumor shrinks, try to put on your > thinking cap. Can you provide evidence that cells have fibrin around them? Fibrin is primarily a protein in the blood that makes clots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrin None of the literature searches I did showed fibrin acting outside of blood clotting. Fifteen times zero is still zero. >> For the diabetes, it is clear that they gave substance P to mice, the >> diabetes was reversed. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > reverse the pathology in minutes to argue that dead nerve cells help > the body to produce insulin. I have never argued that dead nerve cells help the body. The researchers found that killing off the nerve cells helped prevent the inflammation that causes type I diabetes. And that substance P restored a more normal immune functioning in the pancreas. If spending $37 reverses pathology, please prove it. > BTW, the researchers are surmising what they think happened. But that > part makes no sense...you don't produce insulin by killing nerve cells. Of course you don't. Rather, you don't produce insulin by having an immune system that attacks the pancreas (specifically the islets with the beta cells). Somehow, the nerve cells contribute to this. By killing the nerver cells in babies (two-day old mice) with capsaicin, you prevent the nerve cells from stimulating the immune system or whatever the nerve cells do. In addition, if you are able to restore a more normal funcioning of the nerve cell balance, as substance P does, you are able to reverse some of the inflammation and help restore nerve cell function. > That's so obvious that a child could understand it. But if you perfer > the saw to sense, you'll argue anything. I only aruge when I have evidence to back me up. >> > To put it plainly, it is stupid to think killing beta nerve cells helps >> > to produce insulin! [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > between fibrosis and healthy tissue. Dr. Wong provides his reasoning at > his website. And his reasoning is suspect. However, it is good enough to get people to send him money for unproven treatments. He hasn't shown that the enzymes are active in the human, are absorbed in the human or the activity of the enzymes is useful Until you are able to demonstrate anything useful, I will not reply to you again in this thread. Jeff Jeff > >> > Earlier this year, researchers at UCLA were able to shrink prostate > >> > tumors in mice 80% by using capsaicin. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >There is a large difference between a peer-reviewed journal like JAMA that >accepts advertising and testimonials on a website selling things. The LARGE DIFFERENCE is about a BILLION DOLLARS. > >> > So what is the common element in all these cases? It's fibrin. Tumor > >> > cells have 15 times as much fibrin around them as normal cells. Fibrin [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibrin None of the literature searches I did > showed fibrin acting outside of blood clotting. Fibrin is present just about anywhere there's excess inflammation. > Fifteen times zero is still zero. Zero is the number of diabetics you've cured. > >> For the diabetes, it is clear that they gave substance P to mice, the > >> diabetes was reversed. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I have never argued that dead nerve cells help the body. And severed feet don't cure diabetes either. > The researchers found that killing off the nerve cells helped prevent the > inflammation that causes type I diabetes. And that substance P restored a > more normal immune functioning in the pancreas. Wrong. The researchers SURMISED that the capsaicin killed off nerve cells. > If spending $37 reverses pathology, please prove it. How stupid is that question! Your question is akin to saying that the sun didn't rise today because it was not published in a peer review journal. Meanwhile the customer's gastric paralysis no longer bothers her, and she is able to control her severe neuropathy with sublingual B-12 (5,000 mcg 2x day.) > > BTW, the researchers are surmising what they think happened. But that > > part makes no sense...you don't produce insulin by killing nerve cells. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > cell balance, as substance P does, you are able to reverse some of the > inflammation and help restore nerve cell function. Compound surmising does not total one fact. > > That's so obvious that a child could understand it. But if you prefer > > the saw to sense, you'll argue anything. > > I only aruge when I have evidence to back me up. > >> > To put it plainly, it is stupid to think killing beta nerve cells helps > >> > to produce insulin! [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > And his reasoning is suspect. However, it is good enough to get people to > send him money for unproven treatments. Anyone can "suspect." It means nothing to say something is suspect. All it means is you doubt it. Big effing deal. No one cares about your doubts. They do care when someone gets results. Wong got unexpected results, which he has written down. When you get results other than "Here's your wheel chair, now that I've cut off your legs" come talk to me. > He hasn't shown that the enzymes are active in the human, are absorbed in > the human or the activity of the enzymes is useful My gawd you're dense. Dr. Wong said the results were unexpected. He never thought the results that took place could take place. He's relating case histories where all the answers are known yet. Meanwhile, he's got two Type 1 Diabetics who are doing extraordinarily well, including one whose disease is gone...after 50 years... Tell us oh wise one, how did this happen? > Until you are able to demonstrate anything useful, I will not reply to you > again in this thread. You won't be missed. > Jeff [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 09:17:53 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled into the madness of usenet: researchers have cured diabetes and many others diseases in mice for decades using many different treatments. The thing is, in the case of diabetes, not one mouse cure has ever cured a human. Cure a human and give us real hope, some of us are just plane over the hype. this message not cross posted to non diabetic groups.  SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 09:17:53 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled > into the madness of usenet: > > researchers have cured diabetes and many others diseases in mice for > decades using many different treatments. The thing is, in the case of > diabetes, not one mouse cure has ever cured a human. You'll never see a cure so long as they try to make drug instead of using the natural substances that do cure diabetes every day. >Cure a human and > give us real hope, some of us are just plane over the hype. You obviously missed the link to Dr. Wong's results. He DID cure a human! > this message not cross posted to non diabetic groups. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... > . [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 22:04:18 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 09:17:53 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled >> into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You'll never see a cure so long as they try to make drug instead of >using the natural substances that do cure diabetes every day. and yet after 30+ years being type 1, I've never seen, met or read of one actually cured. your ;lie is noted. >>Cure a human and >> give us real hope, some of us are just plane over the hype. > >You obviously missed the link to Dr. Wong's results. He DID cure a >human! he lied. and so did you in that you claimed he cured more than one, now you claim one. but neither of can prove it. you've permanently labeled yourself a net kook, spammer and liar. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 22:04:18 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled > into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > he lied. and so did you in that you claimed he cured more than one, > now you claim one. but neither of can prove it. You have NO evidence that Dr. Wong lied, so you've made a reckless charge with no basis. If you keep thinking that anyone who reports a cure is lying, you'll continue to mistakenly think there is no cure. > you've permanently labeled yourself a net kook, spammer and liar. You've permantently condemned yourself to no cure with your attitude. > -- > Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... > . >> [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 22:04:18 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled >> into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > >You've permantently condemned yourself to no cure with your attitude. Spammer. > >> [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 22:04:18 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled > >> into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Spammer. You woudn't know what internet spam was if it was served to you between two pieces of white bread. In most cases, if not all, I haven't even provided a link to Dr. Wong's site. >> >> [Default] On 19 Dec 2006 22:04:18 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled >> >> into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >two pieces of white bread. In most cases, if not all, I haven't even >provided a link to Dr. Wong's site. Spammer [Default] On 22 Dec 2006 09:17:48 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled into the madness of usenet: get this through your tiny little lying scamming head, you are a liar and a fraud and no one in any medical support newsgroup believes any of your bullshit. scammers like you are a penny a ton. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On 22 Dec 2006 09:17:48 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled > into the madness of usenet: > > get this through your tiny little lying scamming head, you are a liar > and a fraud and no one in any medical support newsgroup believes any > of your bullshit. Diabetics come to my store daily. Over and over again I hear them tell me how they've been helped in reducing or eliminating their diabetes medications. But you know better. You 'KNOW' your disease has no cure. So you're stuck with your "NO-ledge." You have the freedom of choice...the downside for you is that you'll reap the negative rewards of your choice. > scammers like you are a penny a ton. And dead diabetics who listened to their doctors fill grave yards across this nation. And then there are the blind, dialysis dependent, diabetic Alzheimer victims, and amputated diabetics who also followed their doctors' advice. > Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper > Type 1 since 1975 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... > . [Default] On 26 Dec 2006 20:51:24 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> [Default] On 22 Dec 2006 09:17:48 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled >> into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >diabetic Alzheimer victims, and amputated diabetics who also followed >their doctors' advice. you have admitted to committing fraud, you have been reported. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On 26 Dec 2006 20:51:24 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled > into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > you have admitted to committing fraud, you have been reported. ?? Diabetes isn't your only sickness. There is no fraud, only insanity on your end > -- > Mâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... > . >> [Default] On 22 Dec 2006 09:17:48 -0800, awthrawthr@yahoo.com Giggled >> into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >diabetic Alzheimer victims, and amputated diabetics who also followed >their doctors' advice. Spammer. |
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