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I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. With a more normal carb meal she tested in the 115-130 range. Yesterday we had dinner at my sisters and she pigged out including a very large piece of chocolate cake with inch thick frosting. I tested her about 2 hours later and she was 208. She is not overweight now but was in the past, she is 5'6" and weighs 140. In the past she has weighed as much as 185. She is not working but is covered by her husbands medical even though she is separated from him. She and her daughter have been living with me for over a year since she separated. If she goes to the doctor, she would probably be diagnosed as a diabetic, which would stick with her for the rest of her life. It would make it hard to get insurance, medical or life. I'm thinking that at this point there would be no advantage for her to go to the doctor with this. About all a doctor would offer her is a diet/exercise program. She can do that herself, with my help. Am I doing the right thing by advising her to keep this from to herself and keep her carbs low? I am also trying to get to start posting here.. Anon > Am I doing the right thing by advising her to keep this from to herself > and keep her carbs low? I am also trying to get to start posting here.. Are you comfortable about being able to spot if/when she needs to move to meds? And how about retinopathy checks, are you able to source them yourselves? Otherwise, with access to your meter and regular testing, she'd be in a better position than most with your support. Nicky.  SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg >> Am I doing the right thing by advising her to keep this from to herself >> and keep her carbs low? I am also trying to get to start posting here.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nicky. She is only 23 and I think in the early T2 stages. One thing that does worry me is she might be a T1 in the honeymoon stage. She has perfect eyesight, don't ware glasses and can read street signs a block further than me even with my glasses on. As long as she lives with me, I do feel comfortable with her not going to the doctor. I'm not sure how much longer she will stay with me, she doesn't like my no boys in her room overnight or with the bedroom door closed. I might be old fashioned in this respect. Anon "Anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message news:XfWdnQSKBP1- > She is only 23 and I think in the early T2 stages. One thing that does > worry me is she might be a T1 in the honeymoon stage. She has perfect [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As long as she lives with me, I do feel comfortable with her not going to > the doctor. shes 23 and you she might be a type 1 or type 2 diabetic. and you feel comfortable with her not going to the doctor? >I'm not sure how much longer she will stay with me, does she have a job? does she get help from the government? > she doesn't like my no boys in her room overnight do her boy friends have jobs? or a place to live? >or with the bedroom door closed. I might be old fashioned in this respect. > > Anon I wish her the best of luck. > I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past after > meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. With a more [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Anon Sure, much better to sentence her to a slow agonizing death. > If she goes to the doctor, she would probably be diagnosed as a diabetic, > which would stick with her for the rest of her life. It would make it hard > to get insurance, medical or life. does her husband actually buy his insurance or get it from his job? is that his daughter or someone elses? it its his shouldnt the baby also be covered by his health insurance. She is not working now, and has a kid, what is her carreer? is she going to own her own company and have to buy her own health insurance or be employed by someone that will give her health insurance. do you pay for your insurance? >I'm thinking that at this point there would be no advantage for her to go >to the doctor with this. some here may actually agree with that. :( >About all a doctor would offer her is a diet/exercise program. its not wise for non diabetics not to go to the doctor. >She can do that herself, :( > with my help. Am I doing the right thing by advising her to keep this from > to herself and keep her carbs low? :( > I am also trying to get to start posting here.. > > Anon > I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past after > meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. With a more [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Anon ??? are you for real. This tripe sounds like troll drool 1) If she IS diabetic, she needs treatment. Most people get insurance through work, where pre-existing conditions don't matter. 2) WHY are you testing her AFTER she eats. You need to know fasting levels first, not post prandial. 3) Where did you get your medical degree which gets you to say "About all a doctor would offer her is a diet/exercise program." she might get that, or oral meds, or insulin, or Byetta, or... YOU don't know. And, she would get A1c, Creatinine, and other imprtant tests. "Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message > ??? are you for real. sad to say i think she is. > This tripe sounds like troll drool i wish it was. its time to call the vet, one of my dogs is due for a annual check up, no shes not sick. I just love her and want her to live as long and as healthy as possible. Tom >> I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past >> after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > she might get that, or oral meds, or insulin, or Byetta, or... YOU don't > know. And, she would get A1c, Creatinine, and other imprtant tests. I've only tested her fasting one time over a month ago, it was 89. I am more worried about being a T1 than anything else. When she had the baby 13 months ago they said nothing about her being diabetic, the high blood sugars must have came on rather quickly. I expect her A1c would be very low but I'm not a doctor, just experienced in caring for my own diabetes. If we decide to wait/watch for a while, I might try the home A1c test for her. She gets support from her husband, he is very responsible in this respect. He has a good job and she and the baby are covered under his work medical insurance. I don't know how this will work if/when she gets a divorce. I'm using Byetta now and frankly, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. It makes me feel crappy for hours after I take it. My next endo appointment is in January, if this side effect don't go away by then I'm off the Byetta for good. Anon >>> I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past >>> after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Anon FASTING is the most important number, and 89 is QUITE good. If her fasting stays under 100, she is probably fine, but, 1)( she HAS insurance, 2) YOU are not qualified to diagnose her. It's one thing if you were trying to get along with her having no insurance, and no resources, then you make do with what you can, but a) She should get checked, and B) You are CLEARLY not qualified to advise her, >>>> I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past >>>> after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >a) She should get checked, and >B) You are CLEARLY not qualified to advise her, Bear in mind, Ted, that Anon's grandaughter is in the process of becoming an EX to the insurance holder which is Anon's concern about being diagnosed before the grandaughter can get her own insurance. I do agree that a doctor should be consulted. But I understand the concern of diagnosis before insurance of her own is available. I have seen it frequently suggested here that people get thier insurance needs (life/health) in line prior to getting the official diagnosis. >>>>> I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past >>>>> after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > have seen it frequently suggested here that people get thier insurance > needs (life/health) in line prior to getting the official diagnosis. Don't play games. If she is that worried, have her get her own insurance. Meanwhile, she is endangering her life by waiting to see if a problem exists. If she goes off of her husbands insurance, she has a a period under HIP PA to get new coverage anyhow. >>>>>> I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past >>>>>> after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >If she goes off of her husbands insurance, she has a a period under HIP >PA to get new coverage anyhow. As I said. I agree with the advice you've given. Just stating what I've seen people state here, and offering that I kind of understand the concerns, not what I would necessarily do if I were in the situation. There's lots of folks here that are uninsured and can give good advice on how to get along. Perhaps that's what I should have offered. :) Happiest of holidays. <Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message > Bear in mind, Ted, that Anon's grandaughter is in the process of > becoming an EX to the insurance holder which is Anon's concern about > being diagnosed before the grandaughter can get her own insurance. >I > do agree that a doctor should be consulted. But I understand the > concern of diagnosis before insurance of her own is available. but for how many years? >I > have seen it frequently suggested here that people get thier insurance > needs (life/health) in line prior to getting the official diagnosis. i dont think anyone ever said that in a case like this. I just cant help feel that buying insurance is in the near future if at all. Tom > <Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tom It has been suggested that people hide their diabetes to avoid official diagnosis in this group before. I can't remember who or when but it was said. In addition, I know 3 people in my diabetes group that are hiding diabetes symptoms to avoid diagnosis and possible problems with the jobs and insurance. I myself hid my diabetes for almost 4 years, I was in the military and diagnosis would have ended my carrer. During that 4 years I took 2 physicals but made sure my BG was normal at the time and most of the other times as well. It may all be irrelevant because I don't think my GD is diabetic, she's pre-diabetic at most. This morning I got up before her and tested her when she got up. She tested 85. I had her drink 2 cans of orange soda, over 90 carbs total. Her test at 2 hours was 139. My only worry now is that she might be a T1 in the honeymoon stage. I can't believe they didn't catch her high BG's when she was pregnant so it must have developed over the last 13 months. Your posts have given me something to think about and I appreciate your inputs. Anon "Anon" <anon@anon.com> wrote in message > > It has been suggested that people hide their diabetes to avoid official > diagnosis in this group before. it you had to take a guess, how many years do you think it will need to go undiagnosed? a well controlled diabetic can perform any job. > I can't remember who or when but it was said. In addition, I know 3 people > in my diabetes group that are hiding diabetes symptoms to avoid diagnosis > and possible problems with the jobs and insurance. my wife and I pay just about the same thing for our health insurance. > I myself hid my diabetes for almost 4 years, I was in the military and > diagnosis would have ended my carrer. a choice you make for yourself, I have no problem with. i dont like anything get in the way of my health. > It may all be irrelevant because I don't think my GD is diabetic, she's > pre-diabetic at most. but then you go on to say that you think she could even be a type 1 in the honey moon stage. >This morning I got up before her and tested her when she got up. She tested >85. I had her drink 2 cans of orange soda, over 90 carbs total. i have read about other tests you have done on her. ever think you could possibly putting an end to her Pre diabetes ( if that is what she has) and giving her a free pass to full blown diabetes? >Her test at 2 hours was 139. My only worry now is that she might be a T1 in >the honeymoon stage. but you are still not worried enough that she should see a doctor about your concerns. > Your posts have given me something to think about and I appreciate your > inputs. > > Anon your posts also gave me something to think about. being it could be any number of years till she has to pay for insurance, who knows maybe her baby might end up having insurance before her. would you also denie your great grandchild medical attention because it might effect her in the future? do you believe your grandchild that has given birth to a baby only 13 months ago should at least have an annual check up? i have seen in another post that you do feel the need to make sure you see an endo for your diabetes. So I am guessing you not only have a Primary doctor but also an endo. do you also have your eyes checked? your feet? and all the things that diabetics should have checked? Well anyway I am done with this thread. Tom > your posts also gave me something to think about. being it could be any > number of years till she has to pay for insurance, who knows maybe her [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Tom I am not denying her anything, like most of the younger generation, they don't listen to us old timers. I think I do have enough influence on her to get her to eat more sensible, it is hard to even get her to let me test her. The decision is hers and she is quick to let me know. I don't know where you read that I see a primary doctor, I don't even have a primary doctor only an Endocrinologist that specializes in diabetes. I see her every 2-3 months and I usually have an A1c in the 5.5 range. Anon Yes it has, and it's good advice. That doesn't mean that you should wait a long time before getting insurance, just get it before you're officially diagnosed. -- Cheri Anon wrote in message ... >It has been suggested that people hide their diabetes to avoid official >diagnosis in this group before. I can't remember who or when but it was >said. In addition, I know 3 people in my diabetes group that are hiding >diabetes symptoms to avoid diagnosis and possible problems with the jobs and >Yes it has, and it's good advice. That doesn't mean that you should wait >a long time before getting insurance, just get it before you're >officially diagnosed. You get insurance, and a short time later the insurance company concludes you had some prior knowledge that you may have diabetes. Can they dump your a.s immediately? Or, send your premiums to the roof? >> Yes it has, and it's good advice. That doesn't mean that you should wait >> a long time before getting insurance, just get it before you're [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > concludes you had some prior knowledge that you may have diabetes. Can > they dump your a.s immediately? Or, send your premiums to the roof? Technically yes, however they would only do it if they had some kind of proof. The cost of lawyers is even higher than the cost of diabetes. >> <Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Anon Unless you were a pilot, it wouldn't have ended your career in the military.. I mow LOTS of military and government diabetics. You can't be a pilot, and possibly an air traffic controller, but controlled diabetics are not uncommon in most occupational specialties, including cryptanalyst, marshal, translator, MIS specialist, engineers, MP's, instructors....\ Again,YOU should not worry about post-pradial BFG's there are too many factors affecting it, and YOU arn't qualified. >>> <Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Again,YOU should not worry about post-pradial BFG's there are too many > factors affecting it, and YOU arn't qualified. I guess you've read this article, http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-forecast/jul2005/back.jsp . It wasn't always this way, back when I retired in the early 80's, it was the boot if you were diagnosed. > "Ted Rosenberg" <tedrosenberg@iname.com> wrote in message ><snip for brevity> > Unless you were a pilot, it wouldn't have ended your career in the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > always this way, back when I retired in the early 80's, it was the boot if > you were diagnosed. One of the jobs I had in 1963 was to write life insurance for clients of a large homebuilder in Anne Arundel County. He sold almost entirely to military and NSA employees. There were LOTS of diabetics, and the only problem we had was the ASA personnel who couldn't get their medical records released. By that time, even NSA employees could, but I remember one diabetic ASA Sargent where our request for his medical records ALWAYS got lost stolen or strayed. We KNEW he was well controlled, because he was on active duty, but the Army wouldn't confirm it, and the insurance company underwriting department needed records to issue a policy. SURE he would have paid more, but not very much more. A well controlled diabetic past puberty has an excellent life span. The question is HOW WELL CONTROLLED. Anon wrote in message ... >. . . .It has been suggested that people hide their diabetes to avoid > official diagnosis in this group before. I can't remember who or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >but made sure my BG was normal at the time and most of the >other times as well. . . . . I have brought the topic up from time to time but only in "get some insurance before a doctor 'formally' diagnoses you" sentences. One reason, my doctor hid my diagnosis for a year. It took me quite a while to figure out why the word "diabetes" never showed up in any of my consults or any of my appointment records. Then, suddenly, when it became necessary to prescribe metformin, a diabetic-only med for males, I was "diabetic". It made me think of the elephant in the living room stories. Regards Old Al ><Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Tom .....sigh...... I've seen it fairly recently from a number of posts. It's never assumed that it's going to be an indefinate wait. Take a look at some past posts...I don't have time to google....but it HAS been recommended here. Many times, and as one of the uninsured, I think it's one of the best bits of pre-lim advice that can be given. :-) -- Cheri Laura@notmy.com wrote in message ...speaking of getting health insurance before diagnosis. >.....sigh...... I've seen it fairly recently from a number of posts. >It's never assumed that it's going to be an indefinate wait. Take a >look at some past posts...I don't have time to google....but it HAS >been recommended here. > Many times, and as one of the uninsured, I think it's one of the best > bits of pre-lim advice that can be given. :-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> look at some past posts...I don't have time to google....but it HAS >> been recommended here. Shge HAS health insurance !!!. Just doesn't wat to use it, because she MIGHT some day in the future, let it go, and then, while STILL hioding what might be diabetes, want to get some OTHER insurance. sheesh That may be true Ted, but Laura and I were discussing whether or not it has been advised many times in the newsgroup to have insurance in place before being diagnosed, and yes it has been advised many times in this very newsgroup, and it is great advice, so kwicherscreamin at us.:-) -- Cheri Ted Rosenberg wrote in message ... >> Many times, and as one of the uninsured, I think it's one of the best >> bits of pre-lim advice that can be given. :-) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >get some OTHER insurance. >sheesh >That may be true Ted, but Laura and I were discussing whether or not it >has been advised many times in the newsgroup to have insurance in place >before being diagnosed, and yes it has been advised many times in this >very newsgroup, and it is great advice, so kwicherscreamin at us.:-) Yes'm -- I can't remember who it was that mentioned that to me when I first posted here last year. It was definitely something I hadn't thought about, and I was very happy they brought it up. -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. >><Laura@notmy.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >>Tom > .....sigh...... I've seen it fairly recently from a number of posts. > It's never assumed that it's going to be an indefinate wait. Take a > look at some past posts...I don't have time to google....but it HAS > been recommended here. My UK NHS doctor suggested it to me. He pointed out that I wouldn't officially be a diagnosed diabetic until he'd performed specific diagnostic tests. He was pretty certain what the results would be. He pointed out that after official diagnosis I would find it more costly to take out insurance to cover loans, mortgages, etc., and I might find it very difficult indeed to take out any private medical insurance, so I might like time to consider my financial position before we proceeded. The wait would be of no medical consequence because he would be giving the same advice and the same prescriptions regardless of whether I had yet been officially formally diagnosed. I've heard the same kind of report a number of times from other UK NHS diabetics. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past > after meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb > meals. With a more normal carb meal she tested in the 115-130 range. > Yesterday we had dinner at my sisters and she pigged out including a > very large piece of chocolate cake with inch thick frosting. I tested > her about 2 hours later and she was 208. If she zoomed to 208 then she may fail a GTT test. Her previous period of being overweight may have damaged some beta cells if she is insulin resistant. How much would she listen to you regarding meals and exercise? If I was to advise I would advise seeing a doctor and nutritionist. From that point it's all up to her but you would know that you had done what you could. Without a GTT her doc may well just say she has impaired glucose tolerance which shouldn't affect insurance but may be helpful to her regarding changing eating and exercise habits. > I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past after > meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. With a more [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > to herself and keep her carbs low? I am also trying to get to start posting > here.. Well, you are wrong! The Dr. would prescribe meds or insulin if needed and would routinely check all vitals. If she is type 1, she needs insulin or she will die. Get her to the Dr. ASAP! SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm [Default] On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 00:29:21 GMT, "Julie Bove" <juliebove@verizon.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> I am sure my granddaughter is diabetic. I had tested her in the past after >> meals and got high BG in the 150-175 range with high carb meals. With a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >would routinely check all vitals. If she is type 1, she needs insulin or >she will die. Get her to the Dr. ASAP! Julie is correct. And just because proper diabetes care comes from a properly trained physician, but because there could be another problem with similar symptoms to diabetes that has nothing to do with it. Self-misdiagnosis could be fatal. Take it from someone who only got medical insurance a few years ago, get the proper diagnosis before you regret it. 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