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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006fruit juice
Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of sugar, 1/2 cup for 1 quart of juice. That is like 2 tablespoons for 8 ounces. I'm not diabetic but wondering if it would be unwise for a diabetic to consume that much sugar. Thanks, Woodpecker > Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this > fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of > sugar, 1/2 cup for 1 quart of juice. That is like 2 tablespoons for 8 > ounces. I'm not diabetic but wondering if it would be unwise for a > diabetic to consume that much sugar. "Allowed" is a very offputting word - but most people can't take much, if any, fruit juice without it blowing their blood glucose sky-high. Juice, in controlled amounts, is used to treat a low blood glucose episode. Pomegranate juice seems to be something of an exception, interestingly - but I haven't got round to testing that personally yet. Nicky.  SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg > Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this > fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks, Woodpecker I put fruit juice in the same category as soda: sugar water. Sure, it has some vitamins and minerals, but it basically sweetened water. Jeff : Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this : fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of : sugar, 1/2 cup for 1 quart of juice. That is like 2 tablespoons for 8 : ounces. I'm not diabetic but wondering if it would be unwise for a : diabetic to consume that much sugar. : Thanks, Woodpecker Fruit juice is a bad idea for dieabetics as it is a concentrated form of the fruit with no fibrous portins to sliw down the rapid rise in blood sugars that sugar (or plain fruit juice) produces. the only time it is indicated is if a diabetic has an extremely low blood sugar reading, posssibly as a result of over medicaing or under eating. In that case, a small amount of fruit juice(2-4 oz) can be used to bring the blood glucose back into line. Even fresh orange or grapefruit juice with no sugar added is a no-no except for the time of a low blod glucose. :: Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this :: fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : Even fresh orange or grapefruit juice with no sugar added is a no-no : except for the time of a low blod glucose. Who says it's a bad idea for diabetics? After learning the activity curve of certain juices I've been able to add them back into my diet and I certainly feel much better for doing so. Maybe state instead that since ALL diabetics are different, a diabetic should test and understand how to self-adjust insulin (if they're on it) if they can handle the higher carb content. Your statement is very misleading and isn't true for ALL diabetics. RK, T1 pumper w/Animas IR1250 who CAN have OJ and other juices because I know how to adjust properly! : :: Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this : :: fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : : Even fresh orange or grapefruit juice with no sugar added is a no-no : : except for the time of a low blod glucose. : Who says it's a bad idea for diabetics? After learning the activity curve : of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : statement : is very misleading and isn't true for ALL diabetics. : RK, T1 pumper w/Animas IR1250 : who CAN have OJ and other juices because I know how to adjust properly! The first think I, and many diabetics I have known, were told was to not drink fruit juices. When not on insulin they are about impossible to handle because of the rapidity with which they are absorbed. Skilled insulin uses, probably, type 1's rather than 2's on insulin, obviously, can learn to eat just about anything by adjusting their insulin dosages, but that is a small minority. Sorry if my post made you feel left out, but we all often speak here in generalities, and, like all those posters who worry about the impact of wh tis saidn on newbies, I woudl hesitate to say fine, some few can find a way to drink orange juice, giving, what is likely to be a false hope and crtainly not something for those newbies to try to do. Wendy > : :: Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this > : :: fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > way to drink orange juice, giving, what is likely to be a false hope and > crtainly not something for those newbies to try to do. RK didn't say it was "fine", she said: "Maybe state instead that since ALL diabetics are different, a diabetic should test and understand how to self-adjust insulin (if they're on it) if they can handle the higher carb content." Which is probably the best way to address the OP's question. Kurt My opinion is that fruit juice isn't the best choice for just about anyone, regardless of whether they are diabetic or not. Okay as a treat, but why take such a big concentration of calories as well as carbs, without the benefit of the fiber from eating the whole fruit? Doesn't make sense to me. That's not to say that I don't dream about gulping down a big glass of freshly squeezed orange juice. And I may just do it once or twice this winter too, once the citrus season is in full swing. > : :: Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this > : :: fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Wendy > Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this > fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks, Woodpecker Having done an exhaustive check at the supermarket, I find the only tenable solution to be - tomato juice. Every fruit juice is way high in carbs. > Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I am but I choose real fruits for fruit. but i do carry a small juice with me when i go to my doctor and cant eat until after the tests. > I'm asking because this > fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of > sugar, 1/2 cup for 1 quart of juice. its a time for a change, I wouldnt have no more than 1/2 a cup if there was no sugar added, i wouldnt think of adding sugar. >That is like 2 tablespoons for 8 > ounces. isnt it about 4 carbs per teaspoon? if so thats 24 carbs just in sugar let a lone 8oz of the juice. i would probably have very high blood sugar levels if i drank that. > I'm not diabetic but wondering if it would be unwise for a > diabetic to consume that much sugar. it certainly isnt healthy for anyone especially a diabetic. I would just eat a small amount of grapes. how many? that depends on what the rest of my day is like. > Thanks, Woodpecker for me its whole fruits over juice, sometimes i will have a 1/2 cup 4 oz of juice. Tom Ever since dxed with T2 I have pretty much stopped all the juice consumption. I drink water when thirsty. Works all the time :-). I did come across following news snippet: Ref: http://tinyurl.com/ylrhwm "Pomegranate skin is rich in a variety of antioxidants and cell-protectants. Indeed, some claim that it tops the list of all fruits on this score. While we normally eat only the beautifully coated and tasty seeds, commercially available pomegranate juice is healthier, since it is made by crushing the whole fruit, skin included." Now I was not aware of Pomegranates (Punica granatum L.) being crushed with skin for the juice. It sure is quite economical and as claimed may very well be healthier than just eating the inside. I tried looking for support for such claim. Not much luck. I admit I did not spend much time. I did find one reference that is kind of tangential in its use for us folks! All in all it may be worth taking as medicine with an eye on the BG spike. Would be nice to know if the skin juice is in there too! Of course once we know all the good stuff is in the commercial pomegranates juice, we still have to worry if pasteurizing it will kill most of the good nutrients. Oh well. Time for more Googling. Anil On Pomegranate Juice Extraction Ok I did find a reference to juice extraction on quality of pomegranate Juice. Here is the reference for an article that appeared in J Biomed Biotechnol. 2004; 2004(5): 332-337 The Effect of Two Methods of Pomegranate (Punica granatum L) Juice Extraction on Quality During Storage at 4?C. (Ref: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=15577198 or http://tinyurl.com/y6fmnl) There are two ways to extract the juice: 1: Juices obtained by seed centrifugation or 2. by squeezing of fruit halves. The later is more economical but produces slightly bitter after taste. So such a juice is more likely to be used in blending of several fruit juices. The more you look at the logistics of going after everything you think you need the more you come back to square one. Just grab the Pomegranate and eat it. If you like the skin, boil it in water and drink the extract :-). What remains to be proven is that the skin is worth squeezing :-). Going from what we know in many other situations, the worth of given fruit is indeed skin deep, pomegranate is not likely to be an exception. We do still need raw data to prove the guts. Anil > Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this > fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks, Woodpecker To answer your question, diabetics are allowed to drink fruit juice. The question an intelligent diabetic will ask is: How much juice can I drink to stay within my peak glucose level? In order to know that, one can calculate from carbohydrate content and confirm the result with their meter. Some diabetics will find a very little amount will make their glucose zoom up. Others may only get a moderate rise. We're all different. Some diabetics can use insulin to cover the amount of carbohydrates in the juice. Since the grape juice you were making called for sugar, I would recommend using a sugar substitute that works for you. For me, it's Splenda. That'll help avoid the majority of carbohydrates from sugar. >> Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this >> fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > recommend using a sugar substitute that works for you. For me, it's > Splenda. That'll help avoid the majority of carbohydrates from sugar. BUT, only diabetics who are going hypo, or who are not very bright would!. Shame, I LOVE fruit juice. [Default] On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 11:28:59 -0500, Ted Rosenberg <tedrosenberg@iname.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >>> Are diabetics allowed to drink fruit juice? I'm asking because this >>> fall I made some grape juice and noticed that it called for a lot of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Shame, I LOVE fruit juice. heh? I drink it. I tend to water it down though. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . Ma?k <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote: : I drink it. I tend to water it down though. I think this is a kind of difference betwween type 1 and type 2, or at lest between insulin users and others. With little opprtunity to "second gues' with a bolus, those of us who don't use nsulin are hard pressed to find a way to drink fruit juices in any meaningful amount (say more thn 1 ounce). I use OJ when I get the very occasional low(below 70 for me). Wendy : "To announce that there must be no criticism of the : President, or that we are to stand by the President : right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, : but is morally treasonable to the American public." : ...Theodore Roosevelt : (o ?) : --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- : "I don't know half of you : half as well as I should like; : and I like less than half of you : half as well as you deserve." : ....Bilbo Baggins : DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me : offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. : If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to : me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... : . [Default] On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:14:16 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >Ma?k <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Wendy no. there is no difference here. the carb count is the same. it makes no difference if you are a type 1 or a type 2. just add it in to your carb count for your meal. Portion control is key. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . Ma?k <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote: : [Default] On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 19:14:16 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker" : <wbaker@panix.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: : >Ma?k <stopthespam@shootspammers.com> wrote: : > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : > : >Wendy : no. there is no difference here. the carb count is the same. it : makes no difference if you are a type 1 or a type 2. just add it in : to your carb count for your meal. : Portion control is key. I find that the amount would be so little or else I would have to have it with so much fat and protein to try to balance its speed tht it is just not worth it. I imagine that it would be better to drink it in the middle or at the end of a meal, rather than in a delicious gulp first thing at breakfast. Oh how I miss this!!! 20 years now:-( Wendy |
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