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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006Losing weight, eating mostly low-carb vegetarian, adding foods back in
I finally lost a little weight - eight pounds. I had been fluctuating between 190 and 185 pounds, over and over. Now I'm down to 182, and holding. So now I can eat a few more things than before - I can have lemon juice again. wow! Salad dressing with lemon juice. It's ambrosia. And i can have soup with ground up broccoli now. I had some this morning, and my pp spike at 1/2 hour was 102. No nausea. yay. It seems that what is going to work for me, is to eat a low-carb mostly vegetarian (not vegan) diet. This limits the protein source, but I am using tofu and whey protein isolate which is non-fat. Maybe eventually I will feel brave enough to try sprouts, but not yet. I am eating for two health problems at once (diabetes plus rosacea), it seems that limiting animal fats helps reduce the arachidonic acid. The diabetes probably feeds right into the rosacea,which is caused by damaged blood vessels in the face. I went back to eating meat for a while, but besides the problems it causes for the rosacea, I also find that it just makes me fall asleep when meditating. Animal fats cause problems for the rosacea because the animals are fed a lot of grains, and this increases the arachidonic acid. They also were not meant to live on grains, it seems. I can't afford grass-fed meat anyway. So now I'm trying a low-fat, low carb, (mostly) vegetarian approach. For the soup, I took out all the chicken fat, and thickened it with the ground-up broccoli and silken tofu. Then I added back in some olive oil, then pressed tofu and veggies. It;s great. So I am using chicken stock for the broth, but that's it. We'll see how it goes.... > I finally lost a little weight - eight pounds. I had been fluctuating > between 190 and 185 pounds, over and over. Now I'm down > to 182, and holding. Excellent. Keep up (or should I say down) the good work! To monitor your weight, you can go to www.google.com. You can put into your personalized home page a weight monitor. You record your weight every day (or if you prefer the metric system, your mass). Then you can see a graph of your weight every day. It seems like it is a good to watch your weight. Jeff > So now I can eat a few more things than before - I can have > lemon juice again. wow! Salad dressing with lemon juice. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > We'll see how it goes.... >> I finally lost a little weight - eight pounds. I had been fluctuating >> between 190 and 185 pounds, over and over. Now I'm down >> to 182, and holding. > >Excellent. Keep up (or should I say down) the good work! Thank you, I'm trying because I have to. >To monitor your weight, you can go to www.google.com. You can put into your >personalized home page a weight monitor. You record your weight every day >(or if you prefer the metric system, your mass). Then you can see a graph of >your weight every day. It seems like it is a good to watch your weight. Oh man, I'd rather not do that. Checking it on the scale is good enough for me. Thanks though. > I finally lost a little weight - eight pounds. I had been fluctuating > between 190 and 185 pounds, over and over. Now I'm down [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > now. I had some this morning, and my pp spike at 1/2 hour > was 102. No nausea. yay. Cool! Glad you got that sorted. It sounded like a really restrictive diet for a while. I thought of you a week or so ago actually, when I was at a business meal and one of my clients couldn't eat broccoli, strawberries, and a number of other veg because of an allergy to them - I'm glad that's not your problem! Mind you, we both had a good dinner, because we just swapped things around on plates until everyone was happy : ) Nicky.  SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg >Cool! Glad you got that sorted. It sounded like a really restrictive diet >for a while. I'm glad I got that sorted out too, and yeah it was restrictive. Well it still is, but its better. I can have tofu alfredo again! That's a real treat. >I thought of you a week or so ago actually, when I was at a business meal >and one of my clients couldn't eat broccoli, strawberries, and a number of >other veg because of an allergy to them - I'm glad that's not your problem! >Mind you, we both had a good dinner, because we just swapped things around >on plates until everyone was happy : ) Yeah, thank goodness it's not an allergy. At least this is subject to improve somewhat with weight loss. Strawberries, well, maybe someday. This post not CC'd by email >I finally lost a little weight - eight pounds. I had been fluctuating >between 190 and 185 pounds, over and over. Now I'm down >to 182, and holding. G'day G'day, Congratulations. It is inspirational to come across some one who has not succeeded in the past despite trying and has had the courage to give it another go. The interesting question for me of course is why you have succeed this time. Success in human endeavours is the sort of thing that attracts my attention. At a rough guess it is NOT because you tried harder this time, rather that you have adopted a different strategy this time. Life is often like that. To get a different result do something different rather that simply try harder. >So now I can eat a few more things than before - I can have >lemon juice again. wow! Salad dressing with lemon juice. >It's ambrosia. And i can have soup with ground up broccoli >now. I had some this morning, and my pp spike at 1/2 hour >was 102. No nausea. yay. A spike of 102 looks like a mistype, or a non-diabetic response. It does suggest that you could widen your dietary selection somewhat without running a risk that is apparent to us living a zillion miles away. >It seems that what is going to work for me, is to eat a >low-carb mostly vegetarian (not vegan) diet. This limits the >protein source, but I am using tofu and whey protein >isolate which is non-fat. Maybe eventually I will feel >brave enough to try sprouts, but not yet. No one is obliged to eat Brussel sprouts. At certain times of the year they taste ghastly. However when they are frosted most varieties get an attractive flavour. IMHO they are one vegetable with a surprisingly variable flavour. In part it depends on where you live. >I am eating for two health problems at once (diabetes >plus rosacea), This makes you NORMAL, if normal can be defined as being close to average. In about 2001 the number of chronic medical conditions in middle-aged Americans rose to TWO. So you are average. Those who have one or three are close to average. Those with none probably aren't posting here. >it seems that limiting animal fats helps reduce the arachidonic acid. The key word would be "seems". Arachidonic acid is produced from omega-6 polyunsaturated fats which are more common in the oils obtained from various seeds eg corn, sunflower, safflower rather than animal fats. I've read further down in your post and see that you have made a connection with grain feeding of animals. Hence it "seems" that animal fats lead to exacerbating rosacea. The real culprit is excess omega-6 polyunsaturated fats. There are things you can do to impede the conversion of omega-6 polyunsaturated fats into arachidonic acid. One is to include turmeric in your diet. Have you tried this? >The diabetes probably >feeds right into the rosacea,which is caused >by damaged blood vessels in the face. I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. Could you express it in some other way? >I went back to eating meat for a while, but besides the >problems it causes for the rosacea, I also find that >it just makes me fall asleep when meditating. I'm interested in this observation and at the moment have no explanation. You haven't mentioned fish. This could be because for some reason you don't eat fish. Fish are likely to have some benefits for you. It is well known that fish is a good source of omega-3 rather than omega-6. >Animal fats cause problems for the rosacea because >the animals are fed a lot of grains, and this increases >the arachidonic acid. They also were not meant to live >on grains, it seems. I can't afford grass-fed meat anyway. You use "animals" in a very general way. Cattle haven't evolved as grain eaters. Fowls would appear to be more naturally adapted to at least some grain in their diet. That's not to say that free range fowls don't make the most of worms, fruit, greens etc that they find. >So now I'm trying a low-fat, low carb, (mostly) vegetarian >approach. For the soup, I took out all the chicken fat, and >thickened it with the ground-up broccoli and silken tofu. >Then I added back in some olive oil, then pressed tofu and >veggies. It;s great. So I am using chicken stock for the broth, >but that's it. The olive oil is a smart choice for anyone who wishes to avoid omega-6 polyunsaturated fats. It is hard to find a fat that is low in saturated fats and lower in omega-6 than olive oil. I look for such things as cheaper alternatives. Grapeseed oil for instance is very cheap, stable to light and has a high smoke point for cooking. Unfortunately it has a high percentage of omega-6 polyunsaturated fat. Good chicken stock is made from the carcasses. This provides the right amino acids including arginine present in the bone marrow. >We'll see how it goes.... Life is our own experiment. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >This post not CC'd by email > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >not succeeded in the past despite trying and has had the courage to >give it another go. well thank you, but we all have to, don't we? >The interesting question for me of course is why you have succeed this >time. Success in human endeavours is the sort of thing that attracts >my attention. At a rough guess it is NOT because you tried harder >this time, rather that you have adopted a different strategy this >time. Life is often like that. To get a different result do >something different rather that simply try harder. Yes, it was a different approach I guess. >A spike of 102 looks like a mistype, or a non-diabetic response. >It does suggest that you could widen your dietary selection somewhat >without running a risk that is apparent to us living a zillion miles >away. I'm going to take it real easy with that. I mean non-diabetics don't vary too much from 85 right? >No one is obliged to eat Brussel sprouts. At certain times of the >year they taste ghastly. However when they are frosted most varieties >get an attractive flavour. IMHO they are one vegetable with a >surprisingly variable flavour. In part it depends on where you live. I meant grain or legume sprouts. >>I am eating for two health problems at once (diabetes >>plus rosacea), [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Those with none probably aren't posting here. Then I wish I wasn't normal :) >>it seems that limiting animal fats helps reduce the arachidonic acid. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >The real culprit is excess omega-6 polyunsaturated fats. exactly, but it's the arachidonic acid that it produces that gives me a lot of problems. I'm doing much better already, but eventually I will still have to get laser treatments. >There are things you can do to impede the conversion of omega-6 >polyunsaturated fats into arachidonic acid. > >One is to include turmeric in your diet. Have you tried this? I have some, but had put it with the supplements that I don't take very often, I will try it. >>The diabetes probably >>feeds right into the rosacea,which is caused >>by damaged blood vessels in the face. > >I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. >Could you express it in some other way? I probably had higher than beneficial bg's for some time before I figured it out. The rosacea started to develop some time ago too, and has been gradually getting worse. Diabetes can be hard on the blood vessels. Rosacea is caused by damaged blood vessels. So having diabetes without realizing it, probably did not help the rosacea either. >>I went back to eating meat for a while, but besides the >>problems it causes for the rosacea, I also find that [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >don't eat fish. Fish are likely to have some benefits for you. It is >well known that fish is a good source of omega-3 rather than omega-6. I'm taking fish oil. I haven't tried meditating after eating fish. >You use "animals" in a very general way. Cattle haven't evolved as >grain eaters. Fowls would appear to be more naturally adapted to at >least some grain in their diet. That's not to say that free range >fowls don't make the most of worms, fruit, greens etc that they find. well apparently there's still a problem with arachidonic acid even with chicken... >The olive oil is a smart choice for anyone who wishes to avoid omega-6 >polyunsaturated fats. It is hard to find a fat that is low in >saturated fats and lower in omega-6 than olive oil. I look for such >things as cheaper alternatives. Grapeseed oil for instance is very >cheap, stable to light and has a high smoke point for cooking. >Unfortunately it has a high percentage of omega-6 polyunsaturated fat. Yeah, olive oil is pretty much a standard item now. Thanks Quentin This post not CC'd by email >>This post not CC'd by email >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >well thank you, but we all have to, don't we? G'day G'day, I love the way you state your believe about the matter. It helps explain why you keep on trying. After all you have to, don't you. My experience of watching some students succeed and some fail is that those who fail often hold a different set of beliefs. >>The interesting question for me of course is why you have succeed this >>time. Success in human endeavours is the sort of thing that attracts [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >I'm going to take it real easy with that. I mean non-diabetics >don't vary too much from 85 right? Frankly I don't know. >>No one is obliged to eat Brussel sprouts. At certain times of the >>year they taste ghastly. However when they are frosted most varieties >>get an attractive flavour. IMHO they are one vegetable with a >>surprisingly variable flavour. In part it depends on where you live. > >I meant grain or legume sprouts. Oh. A mistaken translation on my part. >>>I am eating for two health problems at once (diabetes >>>plus rosacea), [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Then I wish I wasn't normal :) I think many people wish they were normal or are glad to think they are normal till they discover what normal really implies. >>>it seems that limiting animal fats helps reduce the arachidonic acid. >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >me a lot of problems. I'm doing much better already, but eventually >I will still have to get laser treatments. I'm amazed at what people have to go through in their daily lives. It makes my issues seem mild by comparison. >>There are things you can do to impede the conversion of omega-6 >>polyunsaturated fats into arachidonic acid. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I have some, but had put it with the supplements that I don't take >very often, I will try it. You can have it as curry. I used to saute onions with olive oil and a touch of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper. (The black pepper improves the absorption of the active ingredient in turmeric meaning you need less.) Called it golden onions. Heck it works if you give it a name. >>>The diabetes probably >>>feeds right into the rosacea,which is caused [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >by damaged blood vessels. So having diabetes without >realizing it, probably did not help the rosacea either. OK. >>>I went back to eating meat for a while, but besides the >>>problems it causes for the rosacea, I also find that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I'm taking fish oil. I haven't tried meditating after eating fish. I'm wondering about the sleepiness. It frequently occurs with high blood sugar but that doesn't seem relevant with eating meat. My second thought is that has something to do with digestion. Fish might be easier. >>You use "animals" in a very general way. Cattle haven't evolved as >>grain eaters. Fowls would appear to be more naturally adapted to at [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Yeah, olive oil is pretty much a standard item now. Olive oil, avocado oil and rice bran oil all make good choices for different purposes. >Thanks Quentin My pleasure. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin >G'day G'day, >>>The real culprit is excess omega-6 polyunsaturated fats. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I'm amazed at what people have to go through in their daily lives. >It makes my issues seem mild by comparison. That is too kind of you Quentin, expecially considering what you *are* going through. I hope you're feeling better. >You can have it as curry. I used to saute onions with olive oil and a >touch of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper. (The black pepper >improves the absorption of the active ingredient in turmeric meaning >you need less.) > >Called it golden onions. Heck it works if you give it a name. Er, cooked onions have too much sugar. But I will try curry. >I'm wondering about the sleepiness. It frequently occurs with high >blood sugar but that doesn't seem relevant with eating meat. My second >thought is that has something to do with digestion. Fish might be >easier. I might try some ceviche since I hate cooked fish, and see how it goes. Best wishes here too This post not CC'd by email >>G'day G'day, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >That is too kind of you Quentin, expecially considering what >you *are* going through. I hope you're feeling better. Thanks. Dealing with multiple myeloma is pretty straight forward most of the time. I simply have to be keep up the regular blood tests and take the tablets that are prescribed. There is of course no cure and I've come to accept that long ago and simply get on with life. New Scientist had an article recently that stated that 2.4% of patients who have stem cell transplants have a second cancer. They're not sure if the stem cell transplant is a two edged sword or it the accompanying chemo that gives this high incidence of a second unrelated cancer. One just accepts that it happens and isn't as rare as GPs typically assume. Having spent time in cancer wards I'm rather aware of the horrible stuff some people go through. Although I have four fractured vertebrae I get about with two walking sticks and can manage to walk a kilometre most days. Put simply I continue to have considerable quality of life. >>You can have it as curry. I used to saute onions with olive oil and a >>touch of turmeric and freshly ground black pepper. (The black pepper [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Er, cooked onions have too much sugar. But I will try curry. That puzzles me. Others have remarked on it but it hasn't been my experience. At the moment we have new season red onions and one of the local growers is selling large shallots at a reasonable price. I much prefer their flavour. >>I'm wondering about the sleepiness. It frequently occurs with high >>blood sugar but that doesn't seem relevant with eating meat. My second [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I might try some ceviche since I hate cooked fish, and see how it >goes. Good on you. I like it when people are willing to find some modification of a suggestion that might work for them rather than turn down the idea out of hand. >Best wishes here too Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > exactly, but it's the arachidonic acid that it produces that gives > me a lot of problems. I'm doing much better already, but eventually > I will still have to get laser treatments. I read a post on mhd this morning that linked arachidonic acid with glycation, mentioning the FU study - I have no idea what this guy is talking about, or whether he's a weirdo, but my ears perked up because of the link with A1c. If your diabetes is closely coupled with the rosacea, that's maybe the mechanism? Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg >> exactly, but it's the arachidonic acid that it produces that gives >> me a lot of problems. I'm doing much better already, but eventually [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >with A1c. If your diabetes is closely coupled with the rosacea, that's maybe >the mechanism? Nicky, That's interesting, I'll have to look into that more. What post was it? >>I read a post on mhd this morning that linked arachidonic acid with >>glycation, mentioning the FU study - I have no idea what this guy is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > That's interesting, I'll have to look into that more. What post was > it? Sorry, I don't know - but it was cross-posted; you'd probably get somewhere doing a google groups on the date, the traffic's not stupid atm. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg >I finally lost a little weight - eight pounds. I had been fluctuating >between 190 and 185 pounds, over and over. Now I'm down [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >We'll see how it goes.... It sounds like you're making a lot of progress -- I hope it continues. Congrads and good luck! :-) -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. >It sounds like you're making a lot of progress -- I hope it continues. >Congrads and good luck! :-) well thank you.....with losing weight it's a little progress, but at least I got my bg's under control. |
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