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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006Drinking Distilled Water
I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I represent Quality Water Systems (http://www.qualitywatersystems.net). Yes...I'm going to put a plug in for our company, but more importantly I'd like to get some discussions started on this specific subject. It's been a matter of debate for some, and I'd like to get your thoughts on the topic (both positive and negative). Generally speaking, it's thought that drinking distilled water is good for diabetics in that your body doesn't have to work as hard to filter out contaminants that it otherwise would by consuming normal tap water. In other words, you body runs more efficiently when drinking distilled water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? gunruh@gmail.com wrote in message <1165869874.542570.192430@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com>... >. . ....I >represent Quality Water Systems (http://www.qualitywatersystems.net). [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless >inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? Total nonsense. In any case, Deionized water is cheaper. Old Al > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless > inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? I have a reverse osmosis system under my sink. In addition to the RO unit and storage tank, it has 3 large prefilters, one for sediment and 2 charcoal for desolvolved gases. The water, when the filters have been recently changed, tastes as good as any other water I have tasted. Not quite as good if the filters are over 4 months old. I have always wondered if the RO water is good for my health. Almost all minerals are removed. It is like drinking distilled water, no minerals. Taste aside, it might be better to drink tap water with all the minerals intact. Anon IN REGARDS TO MINERALS IN TAP WATER: It is a mistaken belief that drinking pure distilled water reduces valuable minerals from living human tissues. There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. Human physiology has a biological affinity for organic minerals. Most organic minerals for our body functions come from dietary plant foods. A growing plant converts the inorganic minerals from the soils to a useful organic mineral. Tap water presents a variety of inorganic minerals which our body has difficulty absorbing. Their presence is suspect in a wide array of degenerative diseases, such as hardening of the arteries, arthritis, kidney stones, gall stones, glaucoma, cataracts, hearing loss, emphysema, diabetes, and obesity. What minerals are available, especially in "hard" tap water, are poorly absorbed, or rejected by cellular tissue sites, and, if not evacuated, their presence may cause arterial obstruction, and internal damage. Even if the human tissue suddenly developed the ability to absorb inorganic minerals from tap water, it would take an enormous amount of tap water to supply the bare minimal mineral quantities for human life functions. If (for example) the rich inorganic mineral content of the tap water in Reno, Nevada were modified so that it would convert the daily Calcium requirement (RDA) from its inorganic calcium solutes, you would have to drink 7.4 gallons of their tap water! When inorganic minerals are "removed" from tap water, by converting it into pure distilled water, the result is a remarkable biological mineral absorption for both health and maximal metabolic activity > > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Anon > There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. No, there are not. Minerals are never organic. Organics are compounds which contain carbon; e.g., by definition, magnesium never contains carbon. Minerals may vary by their ionic charge. And they may form organic salts if they happen to form a bond with an organic compound. But minerals themselves are never organic. > Tap water presents a variety of inorganic minerals which our body has > difficulty absorbing. The notion that something like sodium chloride (common table salt) is not absorbed by the body just because it's inorganic is silly. Both the sodium and the chloride are used by the body, which doesn't much care whether they originally came from an organic or inorganic compound. Once they're dissolved in water, they're the same thing anyways. For every argument against it, there's a counter-argument for it. It's a matter of weighing it out, and what you choose to believe. I'm taking the feedback I've received in this forum and forwarding it to sources more qualified than myself to offer a response. I suspect the responses I receive on the other side of the argument will be received with the same passion and harshness as they have in this forum. Everyone appears to be a self-proclaimed expert on the subject, yet no one on either side of the argument has posted verifiable credentials to support their claim (including myself). I know enough folks in the medical community that I'm sure I can get an answer I'm comfortable with. I don't think there's a great deal of scientific research specifically related to consuming distilled drinking water (or any consumable water for that matter) on either side of the argument, so I don't think you're going to find peer-reviewed support in either case. If there's peer-reviewed support for your side of the argument specific to the topic, then please forward me examples. I would then like to offer this information to the experts on the other side of the argument to see how they respond to it, and also ask if they can produce peer-reviewed document to support their side of the claim. I don't disrespect anyone's position in this forum, but it does inspire me to look for more concrete evidence to support both claims. Nothing thus far has convinced me to change my position on the subject in that every response to this point is nothing more than personal opinion (including mine), but that's to say my mind can't be changed if your side of the argument has more supporting evidence. I have read many publications that have driven me to my conclusions and I'll have to be convinced to discard what I believe, but in lieu of the feedback I've received in this forum I'll research a little deeper to see if I can be convinced otherwise. In regards to your "spamming" accusation...call it what you want, but I will disagree. That's not the point of this discussion. > > There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > whether they originally came from an organic or inorganic compound. > Once they're dissolved in water, they're the same thing anyways. > For every argument against it, there's a counter-argument for it. It's > a matter of weighing it out, and what you choose to believe. I choose to believe science rather than nonsense. YMMV. > Everyone appears to be a self-proclaimed expert on the subject, yet no > one on either side of the argument has posted verifiable credentials to > support their claim (including myself). How exactly would you suggest I "post" my chemistry degrees and awards and such? Scan the certificates in? And how would you distinguish them from fake ones I just made up in a desktop publishing program? Your argument is a tad silly. On the other hand, my argument is based on basic chemistry which can be verified by anyone with access to a high school textbook. Pretty darned simple verification. :) > > For every argument against it, there's a counter-argument for it. It's > > a matter of weighing it out, and what you choose to believe. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > verified by anyone with access to a high school textbook. Pretty darned > simple verification. Correct me if I'm wrong, but :- Hard water helps prevent heart problems developing Fluoride (deliberately added to drinking water) helps prevent tooth decay So drink distilled/de-ionised/RO water and see your teeth rot while you have a heart attack But seriously, DW/DI water has little taste and not very pleasant to drink, I don't think the OP's claimed advantages to drinking DW have much relevance.  SignatureDelboy A common mistake that people made when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. Douglas Adams > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless > inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? [Default] On 11 Dec 2006 12:44:34 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking >distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless >inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? you are being reported for your crap posting, spamming and shilling, may your holiday be spent in jail. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless > inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? My first thought is that distilled water tastes rather 'flat'. That's a good point...distilled water can have a flat taste if you're not use to it or don't drinking it routinely. Most people experience this when buying bottled distilled water that's been on a shelf for a period of time. This isn't so much the case if you distill your drinking water on-demand. The other side to it is that your taste buds are use to the "taste" of your daily water source. That said, should water have taste? Pure water has no taste; hence, your taste buds tell you it has a "different" taste than what you're use to. Drink distilled water for a couple of weeks, and your taste buds might tell you that your tap water has a strange or funny taste (i.e. chlorine, etc...). The "taste" of water is relevant to what you're use to. Adding carbon post-filtration to the distillation process will help with the "taste" issue of distilled water, and it also helps remove volatile organic gases that have a lower boiling temperature than that of water. > > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > My first thought is that distilled water tastes rather 'flat'. [Default] On 11 Dec 2006 12:44:34 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >Path: be06.lga!hwmnpeer02.lga!hw-filter.lga!hwmnpeer01.lga!news.highwinds-media.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail >From: "gunruh@gmail.com" <gunruh@gmail.com> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless >inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? 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Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 11, 2006 it has been 1318 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I got to learn how to do that. >-------------------------------------------------------- Why? It may make him and a few others feel better, but do you honestly think it does one iota of good? I seriously doubt it! [Default] On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:41:39 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >It may make him and a few others feel better, but do you honestly think it >does one iota of good? I seriously doubt it! reporting the scammers to the FTC FDA and The FBI and their respective posting hosts actually does get them shut down. Some times it takes a little while. Some times the ISPs just make a pre-emptive strike and shut down their accounts before their records get subp. by the feds. NOT reporting it is how the spammers/scammers are allowed to continue their criminal activities. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >It may make him and a few others feel better, but do you honestly think it >does one iota of good? I seriously doubt it! If enough people complain to the original posters ISP, yes it definitely does some good. They will be hearing from their ISP and may have their account closed. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of December 10, 2006 is 2932. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 12, 2006 it has been 1319 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis >>> <snip> >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >definitely does some good. They will be hearing from their ISP and >may have their account closed. Not in your lifetime will a ISP cancel an account for spamming. ISP's have to compete for customers. Over the years I've tried to get many spammers disconnected. No luck. Remember how we tried to get Phildo disconnected for terrorizing Guy? I bitched so much to BT that they complained to Cox (my ISP) about my chronic complaining about Phildo. How do I know - BT sent me a cc of the complaint to Cox. I don't know how many ASD posters complained about him, but he did not get disconnected. <...> > Not in your lifetime will a ISP cancel an account for spamming. ISP's > have to compete for customers. Over the years I've tried to get many [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the complaint to Cox. I don't know how many ASD posters complained > about him, but he did not get disconnected. Actually, that is not true. I have received replies from ISP administrators that indicated that they either closed an account or took appropriate action. Have you ever worked for an ISP? I have. ISPs want to stop spamming. Spam is something like 90% of the email bandwidth. Who pays for the bandwidth? ISPs.Who pays telephone charges when a dial-up ISP is sending email? ISPs (and their costumers in many cases) Who pays for the computers that filter all the email coming through? ISPs. Who pays the software engineers to run those servers and improve the scripts? ISP. Who benefits from this? the programmers, including many in India. Who pays when an ISP loses a costumer because valid email is flagged and deleted as spam? ISPs. Who pays for the lawyers when ISPs sue spammers in court? ISPs. ISPs will also refuse to accept mail from other ISPs that are known to allow spamming. Of course, it will take a lot more spam coming through AOL for an ISP to drop AOL mail than it would to drop a small local ISP. Not all ISPs do the right thing. Perhaps BT is one of them. But, in general, ISPs will not allow spamming. And not all ISPs care about spamming on newsgroups. Nor will they necessarily care if there are personal attacks in newsgroups. I register my complains with the ISPs and move on. I suggest others do likewise. Jeff ><...> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >I register my complains with the ISPs and move on. I suggest others do >likewise. Like I said, I've yet to see any ISP disconnect someone for spamming. I don't worry about it anymore, just easier to change the email address. If ISP's were so proactive on spamming, do you really think the problem of spam would ever reach the estimated 90% of email that now exists? Answer is NO. >><...> >> [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > the problem of spam would ever reach the estimated 90% of email that > now exists? Answer is NO. You need to read up on what spammers are doing to get around the spam blocks. You know those colorful bulletins you've been getting about the next big stock? Each and every one of them is an embedded graphic that is generated on the fly by a computer when the email is sent. Each of them is unique so that the spam filter can't get a signature. And the spam filters have difficulty with converting the picture back to text because of minor differences in background color that people can't even pick up on. The spammers use computers that have been hijacked around the world. Do you work for your ISP? Have you ever worked for an ISP? Jeff Jeff, You obviously have strong opinions and your own definition of spamming, but could you please direct me to ANY of your postings that deal with the topic of this news group (diabetes)? I'd be interested in hearing your opinions and thoughts on health and wellness issues as related to diabetes. I guess the question I'm asking is, "Why are you here?" Are you as passionate towards those issues as your are towards spamming? It seems you take a good conversation and deflect if towards something entirely unrelated for your own self-interest; hence, the discussion thread has lost focus and you're now on center stage. For all we know, you're building awareness for some anti-spam solution that has monetary significance to you. This is your way of "seeding" a news group. They do have news groups on the topic of spamming where you can vent among your peers if that's how you feel. I would argue that if your intent is to disrupt a discussion thread for your own self-interest (spamming), than you yourself are spamming by definition (and you've done a good job of doing so -- be sure to add yourself to the FED list). Have I not provided insightful thought for consideration as related to diabetes and drinking distilled water? You may not agree with my position, but it seems you're missing the point. I think everyone in this group agrees you're a subject matter expert on spamming (or at least they believe that you believe that), but I don't think that's what they want to hear you drone on about. I've not once asked you or anyone else to buy anything from me -- you can go down to your local Sears store and buy a distiller if you think the points I bring up are valid. My goal is to educate and build awareness as a whole because it's something I feel very strongly about. Not everyone is going to agree with my thoughts on the subject, but that's why this is a discussion thread -- a place for people to share their thoughts and opinions as related to the topic of the group. What is your contribution on the topic of the group? > >><...> > >> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Jeff In follow-up, do you work for or own an ISP? Is this your indirect way to self-promote your ISP and their anti-spam solutions to gain a competitive advantage? You made reference to it, so I have to ask. You appear to be an IT professional. I believe there's an underlying interest of your own here since I've yet to see you post anything related to the topic of the group. My initial posting and follow-up comments have relevance to the topic. Do your contributions have relevance? > Jeff, > [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > > > > Jeff > In follow-up, do you work for or own an ISP? I used to work for an ISP. But I neither work for or own any ISP. I do have an interst in ISPs because my mutual funds own ISP stocks. However, this is, at best, a small percentage of my portfolio. > Is this your indirect way > to self-promote your ISP and their anti-spam solutions to gain a > competitive advantage? I don't have an ISP. > You made reference to it, so I have to ask. > You appear to be an IT professional. I believe there's an underlying > interest of your own here since I've yet to see you post anything > related to the topic of the group. My initial posting and follow-up > comments have relevance to the topic. Do your contributions have > relevance? Actually, your "contributions" have little for diabetics. There is no evidence offered on the web site for *YOUR* company that distilled water offers any benefit over tap water or filtered water as far as health is concerned. And distilled water has fewer minerals. Your initial contention that distilled water puts less of a load on kidneys is garbage, IMHO. Everything that is dissolved in your blood's plasma is filtered into the neprhons. The kidneys remove from the filtrate any minerals, glucoses, etc., that the body needs (unless the mechanism that pumps the stuff out of the filtrate is overwhelmed, as it is when blood glucose is too high). The rest is urine. The small amount of impurities in tap water put virtually no load on the kidneys. The tiny bit of difference that having distilled water *might* have, besides being offset by not having any minerals, is tiny compared to other things people can do for their health, whether or not they have diabetes, like getting more excercise and eating a more healthy diet. IMHO, the stills you offer are not worth the electons it costs to open the web page for your company, let alone the effort it would take to install your stills in an office or home. Jeff >> Jeff, >> [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] >> > >> > Jeff Now we're getting somewhere...that's useful information for people to consider as they draw their own conclusions. There are other third-party sources that take a different position than what you have stated, but nonetheless I respect your opinion. I've cited one of many books that can be found on Amazon.com in a previous posting that supports my thoughts on the subject. For the record...I am a Business Integration Consultant representing a leading medical software imaging company, and receive no compensation from QWS in form of salary, commissions, reseller fees, benefits, or equity share. I endorse the company, but have no financial gain or benefit in doing so. I have a close relationship with the company and its ownership, but hold no official position. I stated I represent the company in my initial posting, but what I should have said is that I represent the company as a very satisfied customer. I too have an interest in diabetes in that it's a condition that runs on my father's side of the family. I tend to disagree with you in that I do believe there are benefits to drinking distilled water based on what I have read. It makes sense to me; hence, I'm sharing that message for others to consider. May I ask what is your medical practice or discipline? > > In follow-up, do you work for or own an ISP? > [quoted text clipped - 156 lines] > >> > > >> > Jeff >Now we're getting somewhere...that's useful information for people to >consider as they draw their own conclusions. There are other [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >May I ask what is your medical practice or discipline? I think Mack was right - you are a spammer. Do you cruise newsgroups and stir up the group to bring attention to your crap? > Jeff, > > You obviously have strong opinions and your own definition of spamming, > but could you please direct me to ANY of your postings that deal with > the topic of this news group (diabetes)? Try searching google groups. > I'd be interested in hearing > your opinions and thoughts on health and wellness issues as related to > diabetes. I guess the question I'm asking is, "Why are you here?" Are > you as passionate towards those issues as your are towards spamming? I am. My father has diabetes. And I was a physician before I switched careers. > It seems you take a good conversation and deflect if towards something > entirely unrelated for your own self-interest; hence, the discussion > thread has lost focus and you're now on center stage. For all we know, > you're building awareness for some anti-spam solution that has monetary > significance to you. Spamming does have a little monetary significance to me: I pay for the bandwidth that the spammers use. > This is your way of "seeding" a news group. I was responding to another poster. If I wanted to seed a newsgroup, I would talk about how rude it is to top post rather inline post. > They > do have news groups on the topic of spamming where you can vent among [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > done a good job of doing so -- be sure to add yourself to the FED > list). My own self-interest is to rid this group and all other groups of spamming. Except for the fees that I pay to ISPs, and probably some ISPs in my mutual funds, I have no financial interest in spamming. > Have I not provided insightful thought for consideration as > related to diabetes and drinking distilled water? I will take your word that you have. > You may not agree > with my position, but it seems you're missing the point. I think [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your local Sears store and buy a distiller if you think the points I > bring up are valid. I checked Sears on the web. They don't appear to have distillers. They do have water filters. A distiller causes the water to evaporate. The water then condenses. After the water condenses, you have nearly pure water. Much purer than the water was before you distilled it. A distiller would probably be much more expensive to operate than a water filter. I don't know. You can buy distilled water a drug stores (at least you used to be able to). I used to use distilled water for my contact lenses. > My goal is to educate and build awareness as a > whole because it's something I feel very strongly about. What? Making money? You represent a distiller company. > Not everyone > is going to agree with my thoughts on the subject, but that's why this > is a discussion thread -- a place for people to share their thoughts > and opinions as related to the topic of the group. What is your > contribution on the topic of the group? You can see at google groups. What is your contribution? How does distilled water affect diabetes more than another condition? As I said before, "Won't make a difference (except to waste money). "In addition to drinking, people *eat* food, which has many different chemicals in it. "People will benefit by getting more exercise and eating less." I don't see any evidence that distilled water will have any meaningful benefit for anyone, other than those who benefit financially from the sales of stills. And, because water contains minerals, distilling water can even be harmful. Jeff >> >><...> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >> >> Jeff "I don't see any evidence that distilled water will have any meaningful benefit for anyone, other than those who benefit financially from the sales of stills. And, because water contains minerals, distilling water can even be harmful." DISTILLED WATER ENHANCES MINERAL ABSORPTION By DR. BILL MISNER, Ph.D. DOES DISTILLED WATER LEACH MINERALS FROM OUR BODIES? Absolutely, not...in fact just the opposite has been found to occur in cellular research studies. It is a mistaken belief that drinking pure distilled water reduces valuable minerals from living human tissues. ORGANIC MINERALS VS. INORGANIC MINERALS There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. Human physiology has a biological affinity for organic minerals. Most organic minerals for our body functions come from dietary plant foods. A growing plant converts the inorganic minerals from the soils to a useful organic mineral. When an organic mineral (from a plant food) enters the stomach it must attach itself to a specific protein-molecule (chelation) in order to be absorbed, then it gains access to the tissue sites where it is needed. Once a plant mineral is divested within the body, it is utilized as a coenzyme for composing body fluids, forming blood and bone cells, and the maintaining of healthy nerve transmission. (Balch & Balch 1990) Without a healthy organic mineral balance inside and outside the cells of muscle, blood, and bone substructures, the body will began to spasm, twitch and cramp, eventually deteriorating to a full "rigor complex", and/or complete failure. INORGANIC MINERALS FROM TAP WATER ARE "BAD NEWS". Tap water presents a variety of inorganic minerals which our body has difficulty absorbing. Their presence is suspect in a wide array of degenerative diseases, such as hardening of the arteries, arthritis, kidney stones, gall stones, glaucoma, cataracts, hearing loss, emphysema, diabetes, and obesity. What minerals are available, especially in "hard" tap water, are poorly absorbed, or rejected by cellular tissue sites, and, if not evacuated, their presence may cause arterial obstruction, and internal damage. (Dennison 1993, Muehling 1994, Banik 1989) ORGANIC MINERALS ARE PREFERRED... Is it any wonder why the body prefers the richest source of mineral substrates from organic foods instead of the mineral-poor sources from tap water? Even if the human tissue suddenly developed the ability to absorb inorganic minerals from tap water, it would take an enormous amount of tap water to supply the bare minimal mineral quantities for human life functions. If (for example) the rich inorganic mineral content of the tap water in Reno, Nevada were modified so that it would convert the daily Calcium requirement (RDA) from its inorganic calcium solutes, one would have to drink 7.4 gallons of their tap water! HOW DISTILLED WATER ENHANCES MINERAL ABSORPTION RATES Distilled pure water will not conduct electricity when only 2 parts inorganic minerals or less are present. Water with 5 parts inorganic content per million parts water (or more) will conduct electricity, completing a simple circuit and lighting a tester bulb! The higher the inorganic content is in a per million count, the less effectively water transmits organic minerals to tissue sites. Bottled water, tap water, reverse-osmosis filtered water, and carbon-block filtered water (when tested) will conduct electricity, substantiating that each one is not the best carrier for the mineral-transport and mineral-absorption (Muehling 1994). Our tap water in the USA has been shown to contain 19 "inorganic metals of concern" (1994 Safe Water Drinking Act), for which maximum contaminant levels have been set. (Tone 1994) Most American tap water tested falls between the ranges of 350 parts per million to over 1000 parts per million total contaminants! (Colgan 1993) REPEAT THE QUESTION PLEASE... Does drinking distilled water leach the minerals from the body? No, quite the opposite...if inorganic minerals are "removed" from tap water, by converting it into pure distilled water, the result is remarkable biological mineral absorption for both health and maximal metabolic activity. The application of this query has a remarkably high correlation to the general properties of maximal absorption rates, for all micronutrients which traverse the gastric chambers directly into the muscle cells for premium performance demand. REFERENCES Muehling EC, "Pure Water Now: Its Time For Action," 2cd Ed., Pure Water Inc., Lincoln, Neb., 1994:1-42. Dennison C, "Why I Drink Distilled Water", Reprint Form 6300, Pure Water Inc., Lincoln, Neb.,1993. Tone J, "Your Drinking Water-How Good Is It?", National Testing Laboratories Inc., Cleveland, Ohio,1994:21. Banik AE, "The Choice Is Clear," ACRES USA, Metaire, Louisiana, 1989:37. Balch JF, Balch PA, PRESCRIPTION FOR NUTRITIONAL HEALING, Avery Publishing Co., Garden City, NY, 1990:17. Colgan M, OPTIMUM SPORTS NUTRITION, Advanced Research Press, New York, NY, 1993:23-24. > > Jeff, > > [quoted text clipped - 168 lines] > >> > >> Jeff > "I don't see any evidence that distilled water will have any meaningful > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > cellular research studies. It is a mistaken belief that drinking pure > distilled water reduces valuable minerals from living human tissues. Last I looked, cellular research studies are not the same as nutritional research studies. No references from peer-reviewed literature (that applies to the whole thing). > ORGANIC MINERALS VS. INORGANIC MINERALS > > There are two types of minerals, organic and inorganic. Human > physiology has a biological affinity for organic minerals. Most > organic minerals for our body functions come from dietary plant foods. Biologically, it does not matter whether a mineral is dug up from a mine or in my salad. A mineral is a mineral. The body makes no distinction on whether a mineral comes from a living thing. > A growing plant converts the inorganic minerals from the soils to a > useful organic mineral. When an organic mineral (from a plant food) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > blood and bone cells, and the maintaining of healthy nerve > transmission. (Balch & Balch 1990) I have never heard of the binding of a mineral to protein called "chelation" before. While something like this occurs, I have always heard it called "transport." While minerals (e.g., sodium, calcium, potassium) are an important part of body fluids, I have never heard of them being called a coenzyme in this role. And according to Wikipedia, coenzyme are small organic compounds, minerals cannot be coenzymes. In fact, for a coenzyme to be active, it has to have an enzyme to work with. While minerals, especially potassium, sodium, calcium, and chloride are important for nerve transmission, the source of the mineral (organic or inorganic) matters not a hoot. > Without a healthy organic mineral balance inside and outside the cells > of muscle, blood, and bone substructures, the body will began to spasm, > twitch and cramp, eventually deteriorating to a full "rigor complex", > and/or complete failure. Considering most people do not use stills for their water and people evolved without stills, it is no wonder that we don't see people and in spams, twiching and cramping, and forming "rigor complexes" all over the place. Basically, I think everything in the article is utter nonsense. The author's Ph.D. doesn't matter. He does not seem to have a clue what he is talking about. This doesn't convince me one bit that using distilled water makes a bit of difference. We can go back and forth about this all you want. Until you are able to bring useful information to play, like from peer-reviewed references, I won't have any further comments to you in this thread. Jeff > INORGANIC MINERALS FROM TAP WATER ARE "BAD NEWS". > [quoted text clipped - 267 lines] >> >> >> >> Jeff In all fairness, what are your credentials to dispel the cited sources I provided? What you've stated sounds legitimate on the surface, but I would like to verify before changing my position. You stated you changed careers from medicine to what appears to be IT. What was your medical practice and specific discipline prior to changing careers? I think it's only fair to the readers to know the credentials and education behind your expertise. I'm not saying you're right or wrong; but before I would dismiss something I firmly believe in, I would want to know more about the source of this debate other than a user name on a Google news group. Do you have any publications you've authored or co-authored that I could refer to as I dig a little deeper into what you've stated as an argument? I'm certainly not a doctor, but I'm a firm study of referenced information. Please provide me any sources you may have to support your argument, and certainly any of those you may have authored or co-authored. My comments are based purely on my experience and what I've acquired through self-study on the subject. > > "I don't see any evidence that distilled water will have any meaningful > > [quoted text clipped - 347 lines] > >> >> > >> >> Jeff > In all fairness, what are your credentials to dispel the cited sources > I provided? The cited sources you provided are non-academic sources that have no academic credibility. > What you've stated sounds legitimate on the surface, but I > would like to verify before changing my position. I could say that I have an 8th grade education or I went to medical school. There is no way you can verify what I have to say, so what I say my credentials are is irrlevent. > You stated you > changed careers from medicine to what appears to be IT. What was your [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > co-authored that I could refer to as I dig a little deeper into what > you've stated as an argument? My credentials are irrelevent. You should be able to judge the merits of my statements based only on my statements. > I'm certainly not a doctor, but I'm a > firm study of referenced information. Please provide me any sources > you may have to support your argument, and certainly any of those you > may have authored or co-authored. My comments are based purely on my > experience and what I've acquired through self-study on the subject. I would start with a book on medical physiology. And I would stick to web resources only from educational institutions that end in .edu. Jeff >> > "I don't see any evidence that distilled water will have any meaningful >> > [quoted text clipped - 392 lines] >> >> >> >> >> >> Jeff > In all fairness, what are your credentials to dispel the cited sources > I provided? What you've stated sounds legitimate on the surface, but I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to know more about the source of this debate other than a user name on > a Google news group. This is transparently ad homimen nonsense. All that matters is, as has been pointed out, that you can't support your position with any peer-reviewed research. If a donkey said that it would still be true. Every single one of your responses in this thread has been an elaborately crafted smokescreen to distract people from that single crucial point. It's particularly silly of you to be querying the medical qualifications of folk who are diasgreeing with the arguments you have put forward, when not only do you not have such qualifications yourself, but some of what you have posted shows ignorance of school level chemistry and biochemistry. I'm not bothering to argue with you because you've failed to address any of the specific points of science which other posters have brought up. I'm just pointing out to you that you've overestimated the gullibility of your audience. That's one possibility. The other is that you really do sincerely believe every word you've posted. I don't think you're that stupid. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] [Default] On 13 Dec 2006 08:55:44 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: . >REFERENCES > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Colgan M, OPTIMUM SPORTS NUTRITION, Advanced Research Press, New York, >NY, 1993:23-24. not one trustworthy reference. just people who sell distilled water. typical spammer/scammer ploy. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . [Default] On 13 Dec 2006 05:22:42 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >Jeff, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >your opinions and thoughts on health and wellness issues as related to >diabetes. I guess the question I'm asking is, "Why are you here?" gunruh a non diabetic has no place asking such a question of a diabetic in a diabetic forum. gunruh's attempt to blow smoke is only going to soot in own face on this one. Are >you as passionate towards those issues as your are towards spamming? >It seems you take a good conversation and deflect if towards something >entirely unrelated for your own self-interest; hence, the discussion gunruh is attempting to deflect the issue of his spamming this newsgroup with his back door approach to trying to sell his crap product to people who know his product won't help diabetes in any way. >thread has lost focus and you're now on center stage. For all we know, >you're building awareness for some anti-spam solution that has monetary [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >list). Have I not provided insightful thought for consideration as >related to diabetes and drinking distilled water? you posted a fraudulent medical claim that distilled water will help a diabetic to maintain BG control. You lied in order to promote your product. You may not agree >with my position, but it seems you're missing the point. you do not have a position. you flat out lied and now you want to keep posting your spam and continuing lying about it. I think >everyone in this group agrees you're a subject matter expert on >spamming (or at least they believe that you believe that), but I don't [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >and opinions as related to the topic of the group. What is your >contribution on the topic of the group? that spammers and scammers such as yourself have no place in medical support groups of any kind. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>><...> >>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >differences in background color that people can't even pick up on. The >spammers use computers that have been hijacked around the world. Filters more often than not label good email as spam. I do not use them. >Do you work for your ISP? Have you ever worked for an ISP? Never. This guy has a decent idea for spammers. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72288-0.html?tw=wn_index_9 i_Therre" <Bruce_The_KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message news:h8dun25r021ric7rhbu6jjb4mom71lrajr@4ax.com... : >>> <snip> : >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] : the complaint to Cox. I don't know how many ASD posters complained : about him, but he did not get disconnected. Funny... remember "Boob" I got his account on BT cancelled.. well his NG access at least which is all I requested. Though it DID take quite a bit and a drive downtown... I never discussed what actually happened.. the fool actually faked a log taking headers from another post and sent it to RR which they cut me off! LOL I immedately called and "tried" to discuss things with them... the CSR refused and I printed out his posts for the past 6 months at that time.. of his rude, incorrect information.. then drove downtown to the head office and demanded to see a manager.. which a young woman came out.. thankfully I hit pay with her.. LOL her older sister was a Type 1 diabetic and completely KNEW how the fool was lying his butt off.. she called BT personally AFTER reconnecting me while I was there and demanded that he be removed from newsgroup access due to his incorrect medical information that could be harmful to other diabetics seeking support and not knowing the difference. Anyhow.. at least he's one thats gone! RK I would hope that people aren't going to news groups to seek sound medical advice for their condition. This is a sounding board to share personal and/or professional experiences that may or may not be beneficial to others in this group, but should certainly be validated by your personal physician or care giver if a specific topic or recommendation interests you. I would never take medical advice from anyone in this news group or any other for that matter, but I might explore certain topics further if I believe they have relevance to me and my condition. Ultimately, I'm going to get the "green light" from my personal physician before acting on any recommendation spawned from this news group. I'm personally fascinated by where this discussion has gone and the underlying motivations, and have anxious anticipation for the continued replies :) > i_Therre" <Bruce_The_KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message > news:h8dun25r021ric7rhbu6jjb4mom71lrajr@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > RK I've never known anybody that did. :-) -- Cheri gunruh@gmail.com wrote in message <1166025920.824179.240410@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>... >I would hope that people aren't going to news groups to seek sound >medical advice for their condition. This is a sounding board to share >I would hope that people aren't going to news groups to seek sound >medical advice for their condition. This is a sounding board to share [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >has gone and the underlying motivations, and have anxious anticipation >for the continued replies :) "Where this discussion has gone" is to come to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of people that have replied to you do not want anything to do with your contention that drinking distilled water would benefit we diabetics. Over forty years back when I worked as a microbiology lab technician for our local health department I decided to try drinking only distilled water for a month to see I noticed any difference. I certainly did. Those differences were as follows: Distilled water had a very "flat" taste to it even when chilled, which I did not like at all. The natural minerals that are in our municipal water supply, which is very soft water, add just enough flavor to make it more to my liking. I was not getting the fluoride that is in our municipal water supply. I found no benefit whatever from drinking the distilled water, plus I had to cart it home in glass jugs rather than just turning on the tap. In other words, it was a wasted effort and the only thing at home I found it useful for was to use in our steam iron. ======================================================= Now when you are ready to discuss your personal experiences with YOUR diabetes and the things that you believe have made it easier to control by all means do so. If not - BUG OFF BOZO! SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of December 11, 2006 is 2937. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 13, 2006 it has been 1320 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis I'm not really sure he's gone. I think he comes here occasionally under a different nick. :-) -- Cheri rk wrote in message ... >Funny... remember "Boob" I got his account on BT cancelled.. well his NG >access at least which is all I requested. Though it DID take quite a bit [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >RK Oh I agree.. at least he's not spouting his BS "zero carb" claim of not needing insulin for a T1 to live.. just remove the carbs LOL... Kinda funny this would come up today.. Last night the husky was rolling her head around next to me and I didn't feel her rip out my line... well last night I had dinner at 6:30pm and only had water afterwards up until I went to bed at 12:30am -- my bg was 112 at 11:45pm when I last checked.. Well, this morning when I woke my bg was 319... so I replaced my line.. bolused and within 2hrs I was back down to 100.. then I went out and started to bake and well LOL the rest is history. <g> SignatureRK : I'm not really sure he's gone. I think he comes here occasionally under : a different nick. :-) [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] : > : >RK >Oh I agree.. at least he's not spouting his BS "zero carb" claim of not >needing >insulin for a T1 to live.. just remove the carbs LOL... Is there such a thing as zero carbs in food? I'm not sure a person could survive totally on protein (meat). > >Oh I agree.. at least he's not spouting his BS "zero carb" claim of not > >needing > >insulin for a T1 to live.. just remove the carbs LOL... > > Is there such a thing as zero carbs in food? I'm not sure a person > could survive totally on protein (meat). There are essential fatty acids, so I'm not sure either. : >Oh I agree.. at least he's not spouting his BS "zero carb" claim of not : >needing : >insulin for a T1 to live.. just remove the carbs LOL... : : Is there such a thing as zero carbs in food? I'm not sure a person : could survive totally on protein (meat). No, theres no such thing as "zero carbs" -- there are carbs (for me) even in meat. For a T1.. apparently T2's don't have this issue.. but unless I count for it with a combo-wave bolus, around 5hrs after I've had a wonderful steak or fish dinner, I'll feel the effects of the protein that's been converted to glucose. It's very apparent showing up on my fasting the following morning. I personally cannot eat LC or "zero carb" -- I definately feel the effect of lack of brain energy and my muscles wear down much more quickly. Because of my back issue and using my arms more often definately feels the effect of when LCing losing muscle mass and lack of energy. But hey to each their own.. I still listen to my mama saying eat a healthy hearty breakfast because it's the most important meal of the day... because you need the energy to start your day.. It's very true for me. RK Good for you. You once again proved that persistence and truth pay dividends. You go girl! >i_Therre" <Bruce_The_KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message >news:h8dun25r021ric7rhbu6jjb4mom71lrajr@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > >RK SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of December 11, 2006 is 2937. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,880 as of December 02, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 13, 2006 it has been 1320 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis >i_Therre" <Bruce_The_KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message >news:h8dun25r021ric7rhbu6jjb4mom71lrajr@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Funny... remember "Boob" I got his account on BT cancelled.. well his NG >access at least which is all I requested. Though it DID take quite a bit BT stands for British Telecom. >and >a drive downtown... I never discussed what actually happened.. the fool [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >months >at that time.. of his rude, incorrect information.. then drove downtown to Posting rude and disinformation in not grounds for account termination. We would all be disconnected from the internet if that were true. We all post bullshit of all sorts, yourself included. >the head office and demanded to see a manager.. which a young woman >came out.. thankfully I hit pay with her.. LOL her older sister was a Type 1 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >that could be harmful to other diabetics seeking support and not knowing the >difference. You got reconnected, what? >Anyhow.. at least he's one thats gone! You may be right, but, are you sure he just didn't stop posting? He still posts occasionally. I can always tell it's him. :-) -- Cheri Hi_Therre wrote in message ...speaking of someone who had their account pulled. >You may be right, but, are you sure he just didn't stop posting? : >i_Therre" <Bruce_The_KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message : >news:h8dun25r021ric7rhbu6jjb4mom71lrajr@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] : : BT stands for British Telecom. Really? No sh.t sherlock! : >and : >a drive downtown... I never discussed what actually happened.. the fool [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : termination. We would all be disconnected from the internet if that : were true. We all post bullshit of all sorts, yourself included. Well your wannabe intelligence must be on vacation. "disinformation" LOL how about downright incorrect information that could be harmful to new diabetics if they might have believed what he had posted. Then again.. LOL I can get FREE meters all day long... and you seem to have a problem.. Perhaps I just know how to talk to others correctly. And I've never posted ANY form of bullshit.. I HATE liars! : >the head office and demanded to see a manager.. which a young woman : >came out.. thankfully I hit pay with her.. LOL her older sister was a Type 1 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : You got reconnected, what? I don't chew my cabbage twice, read it again. I was very clear. : >Anyhow.. at least he's one thats gone! : : You may be right, but, are you sure he just didn't stop posting? Yes, he still posts but very seldom and hasn't for several months now and when he does, gee he now uses google. Pissing match over.. >: >i_Therre" <Bruce_The_KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message >: >news:h8dun25r021ric7rhbu6jjb4mom71lrajr@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > >Pissing match over.. If you think you disconnected the Boob, then it must be. [Default] On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:03:23 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> [Default] On 11 Dec 2006 12:44:34 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" >> <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > >Feel better now? not until I add one more spammer/scammer to the feds Christmas hit list. send spammers/scammers to jail for the holidays gives one a warm toasty feeling. It comes from knowing you have helped the innocent. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:03:23 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food > For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > send spammers/scammers to jail for the holidays gives one a warm > toasty feeling. It comes from knowing you have helped the innocent. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name one spammer, just one, that you can positively prove you have caused to be shut down. If your tactics work, why is Chung still swamping this newsgroup with his trash? [Default] On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:21:13 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: >> [Default] On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:03:23 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food >> For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] >If your tactics work, why is Chung still swamping this newsgroup with his >trash? because he isn't selling in the newsgroups. there is no law preventing the mentally ill like chung from posting. that's what kill files are for. as to who got shut down and caught by the feds? read your local newspaper or do a google search or visit the FDA website. They found those offending spammers because people report them. enjoy your life. spam any medical scam here and it will get reported to the feds and your ISP. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > [Default] On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 05:21:13 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food > For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 147 lines] > newspaper or do a google search or visit the FDA website. They found > those offending spammers because people report them. My statement was for YOU to list just ONE person YOU got shut down because of your efforts. If anyone has been shut down for spamming, they were most likely doing much much more spamming than any of those you accuse of spamming on this newsgroup have ever done. However, if you have nothing better to do than try to be a newsgroup spam cop...that's sad. > enjoy your life. spam any medical scam here and it will get reported > to the feds and your ISP. You rhetoric is spoiling a good conversation and a good debate. Here is a good read on the subject that doesn't endorse our products or distillation specifically, but speaks to the topic at hand (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1565659406/httpwwwunruhe-20). It could be that some of you find this information useful as you explore dietary alternatives. > [Default] On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 21:03:23 -0600, "Food For Thought" <Food > For Thought@comcast.net> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] > me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... > . [Default] On 12 Dec 2006 04:36:21 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: an idiot spammer and shill don't have legitimacy and cant get it by scamming for their company. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . <...> >>Feel better now? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > send spammers/scammers to jail for the holidays gives one a warm > toasty feeling. It comes from knowing you have helped the innocent. I don't want to send spammers to jail. I just want them to stop. I would love it if they set up the internet so that for every email you sent, you had to pay a fee, perhaps $0.0001. If you had to pay $1 for every 10,000 messages you sent, that might be enough to stop everyone. Or sell licenses to send mail for like $10. Then, when there is spam from that license, pull the license. And when the license is pulled, all the mail that is linked to it automatically disappears until the license is revalidated. A bit like the security seritficates from verisign. Jeff > <...> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 10,000 messages you sent, that might be enough to stop everyone. > Interesting idea. However, it'd have to be more than that to pay for the development of a whole new virtual infrastructure to support collecting the payments, performing billing, and closing down all the old free email infrastructure. > Or sell licenses to send mail for like $10. Then, when there is spam from > that license, pull the license. And when the license is pulled, all the > mail that is linked to it automatically disappears until the license is > revalidated. A bit like the security seritficates from verisign. > That's a completely different infrastructure; it requires all email clients to support revocation. PGP-protected email is similar; it uses public key cryptography similar to verisign certificates to "sign" the email. The implementation would require being able to revoke certificates, which is a very hard problem to solve. Basically, the certificate authority would have to maintain a list of revoked certificates, and the client would either have to receive updates from that list, or would have to query that database whenever it encountered a new certificate. hmm... > Jeff > > > > SignatureT2 dx May 2005 with A1c 10.1 1000 mg Metformin 2x day 1000 mg Fish Oil (Omega 3) 2x day 500 mg Niacin 1x day last A1c: 5.0 (Oct 2006) >> <...> >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > hmm... With the present infrastructure, the spam problem is going to get worse and worse. >> Jeff Thank you for your contribution...have a Merry Christmas! > > [Default] On 11 Dec 2006 12:44:34 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" > > <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 112 lines] > > Feel better now? >> [Default] On 11 Dec 2006 12:44:34 -0800, "gunruh@gmail.com" >> <gunruh@gmail.com> Giggled into the madness of usenet: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Feel better now? Feel better about posting it all over again. Report Spammers. Snip replies! RB > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless > inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? Won't make a difference (except to waste money). In addition to drinking, people *eat* food, which has many different chemicals in it. People will benefit by getting more exercise and eating less. Jeff > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. .................... .....isn't it bad enough..... sugar, carbs, starches..... all my favorites like cookies, baked potatoes with gobs of butter, salt, sour cream, bacon bits and cheese..... turkey dressing with gravy for the holidays....... do we not sacrifice enough already..... do we now have to add water, for God sakes, to the list! That's it - I protest. I rebel. I will not accept water counting. Never! John > I'd like to spin up some conversation around the topic of drinking > distilled water and how it relates to diabetes. No secrets here...I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > water since it doesn't have to burn energy eliminating waste or useless > inorganic minerals found in most water. You thoughts...? My thoughts: 1. You are a spammer. 2. I don't find minerals to be useless. Indeed, I am relatively certain they're required for life and health. In drinking water, I'd always prefer minerals. 3. We have well water here, and after 5 years of drinking it, I can't abide tap water any more as the chlorine taste is too strong. So if I am not home and want water, I'm likely to buy bottled water. But I'd never buy distilled water for drinking; it tastes bad due to the lack of minerals. 4. I don't want chlorine or germs in my water, but don't see why I'd not want minerals in it. I'd only consider buying distilled water if I needed to do something in which minerals specifically interfere, like... making soap, for instance. My water is very hard and I can't make soap easily with the water we have here. But even then, I'd probably just put a bucket in the yard and collect some rainwater or snow rather than buying distilled water. 5. I found distilled water useful when I was a chemist, but we just bought distillation apparatus and did it ourselves. If I needed a large amount of distilled water on a regular basis, I'd be more likely to do that than to buy distilled |
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