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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006CLA
I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or comments. Thanks! >I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or >comments. Thanks! CLA means "cleaning, lubrication, adjustment" in the photographic camera world. I suppose such a periodic tuneup might be good for diabetics, too. :-) > >I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or > >comments. Thanks! > > CLA means "cleaning, lubrication, adjustment" in the photographic > camera world. I suppose such a periodic tuneup might be good for > diabetics, too. :-) It is conjugated linoelic acid - supposedly helps with weight loss. > It is conjugated linoelic acid - supposedly helps with weight loss. If you eat grass fed meat and dairy products from grass fed cows, you're getting high amounts of CLA, a heart healthy fatty acid. FTR, ALA is short for alpha linolenic acid (or linoleic?) not alpha lipoic, except for here, where we abbreviate everything. ;-) Susan Many thanks to Susan for her input on Potassium to ameliorate night cramping in my lower legs. I started by adding dried apricot and avacado to my diet which helped some. Then Susan wrote about using "Lite" salt, a combination of sodium chloride and potassium chloride. I've been using both for about a month now (as much as I do use added salt) and the night cramps have drastically decreased in frequency and aren't as bad any more. This after my dr. assured me that my electrolytes were fine, particularly potassium. Could I possibly need more than "normal"?? Oh well, I'll keep her anyway. For the most part she lets me steer my own course and provides the necessary reality checks, prescriptions, and referals (though I've never come close to an endo....). Thanks again Susan,  SignaturePeter G. (bigbird) > Many thanks to Susan for her input on Potassium to ameliorate night cramping > in my lower legs. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Thanks again Susan, Mine were normal, too, but that didn't stop cramps severe enough to damage my foot ligaments and tendons. If you still have cramping, try adding magnesium with calcium. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Susan I am a long time suffer from night time leg cramps. The way it was explained to me is that the night cramps are usually caused by an electrolyte imbalance. This can mean an excess OR deficiency of sodium, calcium, magnesium or potassium. The problem is which one. In my particular case, taking extra potassium did not help one way or the other. After much experimenting I found that taking calcium citrate and magnesium at bedtime kept them under control. With that treatment, I only get a cramp maybe twice a month. Anon > I am a long time suffer from night time leg cramps. The way it was explained > to me is that the night cramps are usually caused by an electrolyte [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > kept them under control. With that treatment, I only get a cramp maybe twice > a month. My leg cramps were precipitated by metformin, though the mechanism involved adrenal suppression and subsequent hypercortisolemia, not all caused by metformin. Susan >> Many thanks to Susan for her input on Potassium to ameliorate night cramping >> in my lower legs. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >> Thanks again Susan, > Mine were normal, too, but that didn't stop cramps severe enough to > damage my foot ligaments and tendons. > If you still have cramping, try adding magnesium with calcium. I recently heard a fragment of a medical programme on the radio in which a doctor was was talking about cramping. He said that under the normal nervous control of muscles there are special protection mechanisms which stop the muscles well short of exerting their maximum power, i.e., when you're exerting your total maximum strength you're quite far from exerting all the force your muscles could produce. There's quite a bit left in reserve for a terrible life-threatening emergency, when people sometimes perform quite extraordinary feats of strength. There's even more than that in the muscle, but the body holds it back to prevent damage. He said that many muscles are quite strong enough to snap bones or rip out tendons, and that in cases of pathological contractions as in seizures or cramps the protection mechanisms can be overridden and bones can be snapped and tendons ripped out. No wonder cramps hurt! I had no idea they could be so damaging. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > No wonder cramps hurt! I had no idea they could be so damaging. Look at this: http://www.smj.org.uk/0806/avuls.htm "Introduction Fractures of the calcaneus have been estimated to account for 2% of all fractures. However avulsion fractures of the posterior aspect of the calcaneus are very rare and account for as few as 3% of all calcaneal fractures.1 They are well recognised in diabetic patients, particularly those with peripheral neuropathy, 1,2,3 and can occur from relatively minor injuries but it would appear to be unusual for these fractures to occur spontaneously.1" Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > minor injuries but it would appear to be unusual for these fractures to > occur spontaneously.1" Piggybacking, I wanted to highlight this, too: Discussion "The common association of high falls with landing directly on to the heel causing a fracture of the calcaneus is well known and it is standard teaching in emergency medicine to examine the heels in all patients with such a mechanism of injury.4 Less well known is that fractures of the calcaneus can occur with minimal force and can occasionally occur spontaneously. This is likely to be related to the avulsion of the bony fragment by the pull of the Achilles tendon from sudden contraction of the calf muscles.1 Spontaneous avulsion fractures of the calcaneus are well recognised in diabetic patients and this may be how the disease first presents.5 " Susan > Many thanks to Susan for her input on Potassium to ameliorate night cramping > in my lower legs. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > necessary reality checks, prescriptions, and referals (though I've never > come close to an endo....). Your bloodwork only shows what your potassium level is when they take the test, so unless you have cramps right then, it's not necessarily going to show. Blood levels can change very rapidly and you're not necessarily going to see it on a blood test if you are sporadically low on potassium. I use Lite Salt also, but since I rarely salt my food, sometimes I wind up not using it. So I put it in my homemade "sports drink" so I'm more likely to actually get it. But I also keep some by the bed. If I wake up with a cramp, I literally pour it into my hand and lick it up and most of the time it immediately relieves the cramp. To my mind, that potassium nearly instantly relieves the cramps is better evidence of what causes them than blood work. Wacked levels of magnesium and calcium can also cause cramps, so a good multi with minerals and vitamin D can forestall non-potassium related cramps. >> Many thanks to Susan for her input on Potassium to ameliorate night >> cramping in my lower legs. <<snip>> > Your bloodwork only shows what your potassium level is when they take the > test, so unless you have cramps right then, it's not necessarily going to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > multi with minerals and vitamin D can forestall non-potassium related > cramps. Hmm, thanks for the input. I do take a multi but never associated any physical symptoms with taking it (or not). Years ago, my ex was prescribed quinine for the same or similar night cramps. She couldn't keep taking them because of a side effect I remember as "ringing" in her ears. SignaturePeter G. (bigbird) >FTR, ALA is short for alpha linolenic acid (or linoleic?) not alpha >lipoic, except for here, where we abbreviate everything. ;-) > >Susan Really? I'd only heard of ALA standing for alpha lipoic acid. A google search including the terms "ALA", "alpha", and "acid" turns up waaay more hits on alpha lipoic acid that on alpha linolenic acid (9 of the 10 first-page hits were for lipoic, and one was for linolenic). > Really? I'd only heard of ALA standing for alpha lipoic acid. A > google search including the terms "ALA", "alpha", and "acid" turns up > waaay more hits on alpha lipoic acid that on alpha linolenic acid (9 > of the 10 first-page hits were for lipoic, and one was for linolenic). How many were in scientific articles? Susan >>>FTR, ALA is short for alpha linolenic acid (or linoleic?) not alpha >>>lipoic, except for here, where we abbreviate everything. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Susan Probably none :-) But what I meant is that it's not just "here" that ALA stands for alpha lipoic acid. bittersweet > Probably none :-) > But what I meant is that it's not just "here" that ALA stands for > alpha lipoic acid. Point taken, I think I've seen it on other newsgroups. :-) Susan This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 17:46:52 -0500, bittersweet >>FTR, ALA is short for alpha linolenic acid (or linoleic?) not alpha >>lipoic, except for here, where we abbreviate everything. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >waaay more hits on alpha lipoic acid that on alpha linolenic acid (9 >of the 10 first-page hits were for lipoic, and one was for linolenic). G'day G'day Bittersweet, Google search responses are largely determined by what people sell. ALA stands both for alpha lipoic acid and alpha linolenic acid. Alpha lipoic acid is sold as an antioxidant supplement. It is relevant to diabetics in elevating neuropathy. Alpha linolenic acid is an omega-3 oil found in flaxseed, walnuts and some seeds. It is relevant to diabetics in being an excellent candidate for reducing the incidence of deaths from heart attacks. Alpha lipoic acid is expensive. Alpha linolenic acid is comparatively cheap. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > FTR, ALA is short for alpha linolenic acid (or linoleic?) not alpha > lipoic, except for here, where we abbreviate everything. ;-) In my world, I grew up knowing ALA as the American Library Association. Priscilla, offspring of two librarians (who met in cataloging class) > Priscilla, offspring of two librarians (who met in cataloging class) Awwww :D Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg > >I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or > >comments. Thanks! > > CLA means "cleaning, lubrication, adjustment" in the photographic > camera world. I suppose such a periodic tuneup might be good for > diabetics, too. :-) In the supplement world it means Conjugated Linoleic Acid. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm >"Alexander Arnakis" <invalid@address.none> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >In the supplement world it means Conjugated Linoleic Acid. That's why the overuse of acronyms can be so confusing. I don't know what CLA is right offhand. I do know what ALA is, and I use it. -- Cheri Jan wrote in message ... >I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or >comments. Thanks! > I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or > comments. Thanks! I took it off and on for many years. I liked the fact that it seemed to help me gain muscle, retain the muscle during times of injury or illness when I could not workout and that it seemed to help convert fat to muscle. However, more recent things I read indicated that it is not good for diabetics to take for various reasons. This article indicates more testing is needed: http://www.webmd.com/content/article/87/99559.htm I stopped taking it because it seemed to be raising my BG. Since I stopped taking it, I have only gained muscle and not lost any. So perhaps I didn't really need it to begin with. > I have heard that taking CLA is good for diabetics? Any advice or > comments. Thanks! Please read "The China Study" it will answer all your questions on what is good for diabetics! > Please read "The China Study" it will answer all your questions on > what is good for diabetics! Its interesting you have referred to this book. When I discovered I had T2DM that was one book that changed my whole outlook to food. I have given many pointers in this NG about it. Here is one that may be most relevant. http://tinyurl.com/y7q8kq Anil T2 A1c 5.8 |
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