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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / January 2007People with both type 1 and type 2, or "double diabetes"
http://www.healthscout.com/printer/322/534999/main.html "Weiss suspects that double diabetes might be caused, in part, by type 1 diabetics who are taking insulin but haven't made the other lifestyle changes necessary to deal with the disease. "One of the consequences of proper insulin use is weight gain," he said. "Often, patients who have not had a good understanding of how to eat are taking the insulin to cover what they normally eat." Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "Often, patients who have not had a good understanding of how to eat are > taking the insulin to cover what they normally eat." Consequence of *proper* insulin use? Not *improper* insulin use? Priscilla >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Consequence of *proper* insulin use? Not *improper* insulin use? I think they mean insulin used to cover the amount of carbs eaten. The amount of carbs recommended by the related organizations is very high, but is being called "proper." Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > amount of carbs recommended by the related organizations is very high, > but is being called "proper." Ah! The kind of "proper" that is meant when my mother raised her eyebrows at me as a child and told me to behave "properly." IOW, not good for me in the long run. ;-) Priscilla > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Consequence of *proper* insulin use? Not *improper* insulin use? Well, if what they're taught involves what OldAl would call the insulin from hell, and timing meals and snacks to coincide with insulin peaks... Aside from that, as we all know, one consequence of aging is changes in metabolism. So, it's entirely possible that an insulin regimen that worked for 15 or 20 years might no longer work as well. If a T1 develops insulin resistance as they age, it's not because they weren't following their program properly. This is yet another instance of blaming undesired outcomes on "non-compliance".  SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball i'm a type 1 who now has 'double diabetes' i've been thru menopause, and have thyroid antibodies of 9,893.1 according to the latest lab results.... i also take some meds that cause weight gain....... and that's exactly what i've done.... i'm no longer the size 6 that i was for all my adult life until the past 2 years i have recently started taking metformin and avandia to address the 'insulin resistance' issues of being too heavy...... and my insulin doses have dropped back down to almost where they were when i was skinny i'm also losing weight again (finally) oh ya, i eat about 100gm of carbs a day, and i walk daily (the dogs love that) kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > x-no-archive: yes http://www.healthscout.com/printer/322/534999/main.html > "Weiss suspects that double diabetes might be caused, in part, by type 1 > diabetics who are taking insulin but haven't made the other lifestyle [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Susan > i'm a type 1 who now has 'double diabetes' > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > kate Good work on a tough problem, Kate! I got back down to size 6 this year by being so adrenally suppressed that I had every single symptom of Addison's disease by last summer. Now that I'm no longer suppressed by use of a topical steroid, I have hypercortisolemia. The fun never ends. ;-) Susan oh Susan...... that sucks pond water..... i hope they are able to sort things out for you pretty soon...... my Dr is 'just watching' my TSH and T4's and he'll do something when they aren't 'in range' for normal.......... the ranges that the labs give as 'normal' are WAY higher than the recommendations i hear everywhere else from people with thyroid troubles sigh..... i guess it's a matter of weight and see (pun intended) kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Susan > my Dr is 'just watching' my TSH and T4's and he'll > do something when they aren't 'in range' for > normal.......... the ranges that the labs give as > 'normal' are WAY higher than the recommendations i > hear everywhere else from people with thyroid > troubles I finally beat mine into treating when I was able to show a trend - can you plot your readings on a graph, and ask him when he wants you to come back and start taking the pills, based on this line? Mine blushed and wrote the prescription... Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg i'm having they thyroid tests once every 6 months............. sigh i'll be into "definite" country before he gives me meds kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > > my Dr is 'just watching' my TSH and T4's and he'll > > do something when they aren't 'in range' for [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nicky. > oh Susan...... that sucks pond water..... i hope > they are able to sort things out for you pretty > soon...... I think I'll probably end up sorting it out myself. I suspect that all the excess steroid in my system for years has made the receptors insensitive, and now that I'm producing it again, I'm overproducing. The endo said it takes a good year or more for things to get more normal, and to expect ups and downs. I'm actually thrilled to finally have an explanation for all the crap hitting the fan the past years, and for the very low calorie requirement. > my Dr is 'just watching' my TSH and T4's and he'll > do something when they aren't 'in range' for > normal.......... Kate, he should be watching your free T3 in case you aren't converting it properly, too. the ranges that the labs give as > 'normal' are WAY higher than the recommendations i > hear everywhere else from people with thyroid > troubles Yes, I know that, and TSH never tells the whole story. I used to have high T4 and low TSH but low free T3. Taking selenium helps some folks make the conversion from T4 to T3. > sigh..... i guess it's a matter of weight and see > (pun intended) LOL Susan "Susan" wrote in message ual.net... > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > have an explanation for all the crap hitting the fan the past years, and > for the very low calorie requirement. i bet you are going to be happy to be able to eat a bit more too ! ! :-) > > my Dr is 'just watching' my TSH and T4's and he'll > > do something when they aren't 'in range' for > > normal.......... > > Kate, he should be watching your free T3 in case you aren't converting > it properly, too. socialized medicine..... they won't test for T3..... they will only test for T4 > the ranges that the labs give as > > 'normal' are WAY higher than the recommendations i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > high T4 and low TSH but low free T3. Taking selenium helps some folks > make the conversion from T4 to T3. hmm i'll get the slenium....... that will help i'm sure > > sigh..... i guess it's a matter of weight and see > > (pun intended) > > LOL > > Susan kate > socialized medicine..... they won't test for > T3..... they will only test for T4 Grrr, I know that one... > hmm i'll get the slenium....... that will help i'm > sure My quality of life is significantly improved if I eat a brazil nut or two a day. I make sure I include a handful ground up in my week's flaxseed porridge mix, to be eaten a little after the thyroxine pill. Kate, try plotting the TSH numbers - if he can see a trend, he'll be more likely to treat; it doesn't get better by itself, so he'll have to treat sooner or later. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg well, part of the problem is that my TSH has gone DOWN not UP when you would expect it to go sky high might be that my thyroid is losing it's poop.... sigh i want to see my endo, but i HAVE to have a referral from my GP to see the endo....... and my GP insists that HE is a physician with many years of school behind him and HE can treat the Hashimotos and the diabetes on his own whatever i'll graph the old numbers that i can find.... and see if i can find a trend..... kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > > socialized medicine..... they won't test for > > T3..... they will only test for T4 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nicky. > well, part of the problem is that my TSH has gone > DOWN not UP when you would expect it to go sky > high Kate, I can't remember exactly what the connections were, but when I was trying to figure out what was wrong with me this summer (adrenal suppression/insufficiency) I found a number of references in which it (or something related to it that I kept stumbling across) suppressed T3 and TSH while T4 was normal or high. I wish I could remember what, exactly it was, but it was an effect of another abnormality. If you search on it using various strings, you may come up with some things to test. The stuff I was researching was varied, pregnenolone, DHEA, and adrenals. Susan thanks Susan i'll try that google search was it just google, or google scholar? kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Susan > thanks Susan > > i'll try that google search > was it just google, or google scholar? > > kate Probably a bit of both. Susan On 12/3/06 4:33 PM, in article 4th8nqF14619qU1@mid.individual.net, > well, part of the problem is that my TSH has gone > DOWN not UP when you would expect it to go sky [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > kate Kate, do I not misunderstand you? I just looked at my lab results and the lower the number the more hyper the thyroid. Normal runs 0.38 to 5.5 mU/L at the MDS Lab. Less than .38 and you're hyper. I am at 0.7 and that is where my GP wants me. My endo justs looks and says good. Martha T2 Canada ok, now i'm totally confused, Martha i have antibodies to my thyroid hormones...... so, if the antibodies are up, won't the thyroid TSH be up as well? or are you telling me that the TSH would drop, but won't that mean less thyroid hormones are being produced? i'm going by what RK has posted about Dani's Hashimoto's k SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > On 12/3/06 4:33 PM, in article 4th8nqF14619qU1@mid.individual.net, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Martha T2 Canada : ok, now i'm totally confused, Martha : [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : : k TSH rating is backwards then glucose rating. Such as 300mg is high glucose 300 would be low TSH. To keep confusion from our house we know the difference but when Danni's TSH was 68.4 we still stated it was "high" - same would apply to a bg of 30mg of being low, a TSH of .30 would be high thus the call for below .30 being hypERthyroid and over 5.50 (most times) of being hypOthyroid. But from my 4yrs of intense reading and learning about my daughter's conditions I've found that when she's not been on medication her antibodies increase to continue to attack her thyroid gland and this causes her TSH to increase (note how I state we say our readings). When she's been on medication her TSH "decreases" and supresses her antibodies, but never all the way. Studies I've read state that once the thyroid is completely destroyed within a 6mon period the antibodies will stop being produced. SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u On 12/4/06 8:45 AM, in article 4tj1mfF14fth5U1@mid.individual.net, > ok, now i'm totally confused, Martha > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > k Now I'm confused. I've never heard of antibodies. My information from my GP is if you your thyroid is overactive you have a low number for your TSH. (Less than .38) And of course the opposite. (over 5.5 and you are under active) In my last go round I was 20 and I was being monitor with the TSH once a week at first as I explained before. When they were doing all the testing with me my thyroid was under-active. I didn't feel like doing anything but sleep. To answer your question about a radio-active iodine up take, you swallow a quantity of radio-active iodine in the morning and then you return several times during the day and they measure how much iodine has been absorbed by your cells. They measured me in the kneegood a place as any I guess. I had my first one in San Jose, CA where I had an overactive thyroid thanks to the incompetence of the doctors there giving me too much medication. Then back home in Vancouver several years later I had another which showed I was under-active. It is not a test given routinely, they have to think there is definitely something wrong. I gather from your remarks, that you having a tough time getting them to listen to you. Why don't you ask for a radio-active iodine uptake and see what happens. I hope I don't hear the explosion here in Vancouver. It is a very expensive test. Good luck Martha T2 Canada > Now I'm confused. I've never heard of antibodies. My information from my GP > is if you your thyroid is overactive you have a low number for your TSH. > (Less than .38) And of course the opposite. (over 5.5 and you are under > active) IIRC, the standard for hypo is 3 now, not 5.5. Even three is too high for many folks. Some endocrinologists have called TSH a "garbage" test in discussion, because it only tells you how much T4 there is, but not how well you've converting it or how much active T3 thyroid hormone you're making and circulating. Susan On 12/4/06 3:23 PM, in article 4tjov7F1496p3U5@mid.individual.net, "Susan" <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan Not in the lab I use. It is as I stated and it is a lab which Kate will be completely familiar with and can make the comparisons. Martha T2 Canada > Not in the lab I use. It is as I stated and it is a lab which Kate will be > completely familiar with and can make the comparisons. > > Martha T2 Canada I understand. Susan > On 12/4/06 3:23 PM, in article 4tjov7F1496p3U5@mid.individual.net, "Susan" > <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Not in the lab I use. It is as I stated and it is a lab which Kate will be > completely familiar with and can make the comparisons. The full range my lab has been reporting as normal has been for a number of years .27-4.2, but on my last test (which I still don't have a printout on) my GP (who also has thyroid issues) said that they like to have people below 2. SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball > my GP (who also has thyroid issues) said that they like to > have people below 2. Bliss... that's where I feel good, my doc thinks 3 is OK : ( Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg On 12/5/06 2:37 PM, in article 4tmakkF14lr25U1@mid.individual.net, "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: >> my GP (who also has thyroid issues) said that they like to >> have people below 2. > > Bliss... that's where I feel good, my doc thinks 3 is OK : ( > > Nicky. Mine doesn't. Keeps me at 0.7. Says it suits my personalitywhatever that means! Martha T2 Canada > On 12/5/06 2:37 PM, in article 4tmakkF14lr25U1@mid.individual.net, "Nicky" > <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Martha T2 Canada Heh : ) Dare you to ask him what he means by that! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg On 12/6/06 1:46 PM, in article 4tos2gF159amiU1@mid.individual.net, "Nicky" <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: >> On 12/5/06 2:37 PM, in article 4tmakkF14lr25U1@mid.individual.net, "Nicky" >> <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Nicky. She did sort of. She says I am a very active person and it goes with the territory. Incidentally, her name is Nicki too. Martha T2 Canada > On 12/6/06 1:46 PM, in article 4tos2gF159amiU1@mid.individual.net, "Nicky" > <ukc802466929@btconnect.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Martha T2 Canada Beg her pardon for the assumption of gender! Cool name too :D Just so long as her subtext isn't "mad as a hatter"... Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg : On 12/4/06 8:45 AM, in article 4tj1mfF14fth5U1@mid.individual.net, : : Now I'm confused. I've never heard of antibodies. Certain antibodies can determine if you have Graves Disease (under-active) or Hashimoto's Thyroidism (over-active) -- More often then not do not have antibodies and there are times that one can have antibodies but it does not destroy the thyroid. In a child or teen more often then not when they have antibodies it will eventually destroy the Thryoid gland. My information from my GP : is if you your thyroid is overactive you have a low number for your TSH. : (Less than .38) And of course the opposite. (over 5.5 and you are under : active) In my last go round I was 20 and I was being monitor with the TSH : once a week at first as I explained before. When they were doing all the : testing with me my thyroid was under-active. I didn't feel like doing : anything but sleep. You range indicates you are hypOthyroid. Being lithargic is a symptom. : To answer your question about a radio-active iodine up take, you swallow a : quantity of radio-active iodine in the morning and then you return several : times during the day and they measure how much iodine has been absorbed by : your cells. They measured me in the knee : my first one in San Jose, CA where I had an overactive thyroid thanks to the : incompetence of the doctors there giving me too much medication. Then back : home in Vancouver several years later I had another which showed I was : under-active. It is not a test given routinely, they have to think there is : definitely something wrong. From what you've stated you started out as hypERthyroid and 99% of the time those who are need an RAI and end up hypOthyroid which apparently has happened to you. : I gather from your remarks, that you having a tough time getting them to : listen to you. Why don't you ask for a radio-active iodine uptake and see : what happens. I hope I don't hear the explosion here in Vancouver. It is a : very expensive test. They do NOT give RAI's to those who are hypOthyroid it does NO good. So, even if she would ask unless her TSH or FT3/FT4 were to start changing it would make no difference and would be a waste of testing. : Good luck : : Martha T2 Canada SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper *** Queen of her family of auto-immune diseased family! DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u > Certain antibodies can determine if you have Graves Disease (under-active) > or Hashimoto's Thyroidism (over-active) -- Actually, it's the opposite; Graves involves an over active thyroid, Hashimoto's undersactive. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Actually, it's the opposite; Graves involves an over active thyroid, > Hashimoto's undersactive. But, remember that in the ideal case there's an inverse relationship between the TSH level and the levels of the actual thyroid hormones. So, low levels of T3 and T4 tend to correlate with high TSH, and high levels of T3 and T4 tend to correlate with low TSH. This correlation (which isn't by any means perfect) is why some docs just test TSH. SignatureAF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team." --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball > But, remember that in the ideal case there's an inverse relationship > between the TSH level and the levels of the actual thyroid hormones. So, > low levels of T3 and T4 tend to correlate with high TSH, and high levels > of T3 and T4 tend to correlate with low TSH. This correlation (which > isn't by any means perfect) is why some docs just test TSH. Yes, and it's so weak so often that it's why so many endos call it a garbage test. Correlation is very weak evidence. My very low TSH correlated with high normal T4 even when my T3 was so low I was flattened, for instance. I don't think it's at all sensitive to active free T3. Susan > i bet you are going to be happy to be able to eat > a bit more too ! ! :-) I'm so used to eating the way I have been, that I feel kind of piggy if I eat more! OTOH, the cortisol being high has made me very hungry the past week and I've maintained my weight by being mostly careful about my choices. And chocolates. ;-) > socialized medicine..... they won't test for > T3..... they will only test for T4 AARGH. > hmm i'll get the slenium....... that will help i'm > sure Just don't take more than 200 mcg. per day. It's a good thing in the proper amounts, but not something to megadose on. Selenoenzyme is the one that's critical for conversion to T3 from T4. Years ago, when I was hypothyroid, I took 1000 mcg. per day of GTF chromium (in divided doses). I had to go off the Cytomel I was taking because it pushed me into hyPERthyroidism. I still get the symptoms anytime I take 400 mcg per day or more. If you try these things, do one at a time. For me, the first things to appear when hyper were palpitations and head/skull pressure and a wired feeling. Susan thanks for the pointers, Susan kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Susan On 12/3/06 2:04 PM, in article 4th00bF13nf7dU1@mid.individual.net, > "Susan" wrote in message ual.net... >> x-no-archive: yes [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > socialized medicine..... they won't test for > T3..... they will only test for T4 In BC they tested for TSH, T3, T4 and an Iodine uptake. They did the TSH once a week and then every two weeks etc. and the T3 about once a month until I was stabilized. I think they were sick of the sight of me at the lab. Aside from the fact I felt like a human pin cushion. No I have it every six months just to make sure nothing has changed Martha T2 Canada >> the ranges that the labs give as >>> 'normal' are WAY higher than the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > kate wow...... in Alberta they will not test for T4, and i've never heard an iodine uptake test........... my GP will send me for thyroid testing ONLY every 6 months... he feels that's frequently enough :-( k SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > In BC they tested for TSH, T3, T4 and an Iodine uptake. They did the TSH > once a week and then every two weeks etc. and the T3 about once a month [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Martha T2 Canada > i'm a type 1 who now has 'double diabetes' > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > oh ya, i eat about 100gm of carbs a day, and i > walk daily (the dogs love that) If I were you I'd get to a really good endo pronto. Sounds like you may in fact be a Type 2. Certainly you should at least get a battery of tests done and find out for sure. Kurt Kurt.... i went from 135 lbs to 87 lbs in a matter of 3 weeks prior to my admission to hospital in severe DKA....... at that time (19 years ago) they didn't have c-peptide tests...... the Dr's tried me on diabeta because i was 31 years old i maintained my weight at 125 lbs for the first 17 years on my diabetes...... it's only been since menopause and thyroid and other meds that cause weight gain that i have gained weight........ and i have dropped my carb intake from 200gm a day to 100 gm a day to prevent weight gain i am definitely type 1, but now, due to the weight gain, i have insulin resistance to deal with the metformin and avandia have almost got me back down to the # of units i used when i was size 6 (i'm probably at the same ratio/lb now.. i haven't recalculated it based on my new weight) k SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > > i'm a type 1 who now has 'double diabetes' > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Kurt > i maintained my weight at 125 lbs for the first 17 > years on my diabetes...... it's only been since > menopause and thyroid and other meds that cause > weight gain that i have gained weight........ and > i have dropped my carb intake from 200gm a day to > 100 gm a day to prevent weight gain I know we spoke about it before, its hard to remember everyones carb intake. but when did you drop your carb intake from 200 to 100? SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com > i am definitely type 1, but now, due to the weight > gain, i have insulin resistance to deal with [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > k SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com >> > i'm a type 1 who now has 'double diabetes' >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> Kurt about 2 years ago when i started to gain weight SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > > i maintained my weight at 125 lbs for the first 17 > > years on my diabetes...... it's only been since [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > k news:1165207621.241853.136240@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com... > >> > i'm a type 1 who now has 'double diabetes' > >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > >> Kurt >Kurt.... i went from 135 lbs to 87 lbs in a matter >of 3 weeks prior to my admission to hospital in [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >k Another report on "double diabetes": http://health.msn.com/centers/diabetes/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100149587 Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Mycenae and the Argolid > http://www.healthscout.com/printer/322/534999/main.html > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "Often, patients who have not had a good understanding of how to eat are > taking the insulin to cover what they normally eat." Untrue. Weight gain is the consequence of overeating and **not** one of the consequence of proper insulin use: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love others a little bit more, dear neighbor Susan whom Iove unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > http://www.healthscout.com/printer/322/534999/main.html > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Weight gain is the consequence of overeating and **not** one of the > consequence of proper insulin use. That's sort of like saying that diabetes is the consequence of high blood sugar: True by definition but not useful. Weight gain on insulin therapy is common but not universal, a certain fraction (but not all of it) is the dehydrated and emaciated condition that many were in before they began insulin. For visual proof, look at the before/after pictures in Bliss's _The Discovery of Insulin_. The rest of the problem is often attributed to "eating to the insulin" - mostly eating to prevent hypos as a result of insulin that doesn't perfectly track insulin needs - but I do not know if this is proven or not. More modern insulin therapies (using insulins that better track the typical patterns or pumps) seem to result in slightly less weight gain (see the inserts in every bottle of Lantus for example) but not a lot less. Tim. sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > http://www.healthscout.com/printer/322/534999/main.html > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > That's sort of like saying that diabetes is the consequence of high > blood sugar: True by definition but not useful. Actually diabetes is not the consequence of high blood sugar. Instead, diabetes mellitus is defined by elevated blood sugar. The lack of usefulness comes from being untrue. This applies to people too: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts On the other hand, the truth is useful: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a little bit more and HIM a lot more, dear Tim whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts "As a result, a vicious cycle occurs, the higher the insulin levels are, the harder it is to loose weight (insulin is anabolic, and is a hormone that likes to store fat). On the other hand, the heavier a person is, the more likely they are to have higher insulin levels. As you can see, the cycle is often hard to break. While intentional weight loss in people with diabetes is usually a good thing, unintentional weight loss is not. If blood sugars are very high, patients with diabetes tend to urinate a lot, and this results in dehydration as a possible cause of weight loss. Also, muscle breakdown can occur if sugars are too high, causing an unhealthy weight loss. Actually, many patients with diabetes present for the first time to their doctor's office because of unexplained loss of weight. http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18157" Can't Anabolic role of insulin interpret wieight type? > On the other hand, the truth is useful: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18157" > Can't Anabolic role of insulin interpret wieight type? Wiser to overcome the brainwashing that "hunger is bad." Those who know in their heart the truth that "hunger is good," are able to find things to do instead of things to eat between the smaller meals. > > On the other hand, the truth is useful: > > > > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp Eating less down to the right amount means maximal hunger. Hunger is a healthy appetite. Hunger is good. Those who are hungry know that they are alive, awake, **and** not dying: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a > > little bit more and HIM a lot more, dear Tim whom I love > > unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought Eating in optimal range is "absolute" consideration, but following it due to some reason(esp. on more insulin-natural or added) is bit difficult...alike leaving alcohol by an chronic alcoholic. Can a so declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by discontinuing oral hypoglycemic medicine/insulin? Initially a diabetic2 experiances polyphagia, polyuria and polydipsia on hyperglycemia but later after on oral medication/insulin just polyphagia even on persisting hyperglycemia but not polyuria and polydipsia. How it can happen inspite of hyperglycemia with no nephropathy in both stages? I feel polyphagia(to lesser extent), polyuria and polydipsia returned after discontinuing medication program. Pls consider glucose levels somewhat same in all cases...even more, on continuing medication program probably due to IR? Which is better polydipsia & polyuria on hyperglycemia OR no polydipsia & polyuria on hyperglycemia? ?> > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a > > > little bit more and HIM a lot more, dear Tim whom I love [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > due to some reason(esp. on more insulin-natural or added) is bit > difficult This is because you have yet to accept in your heart that "hunger is good." Once you have the truth in your heart you will be able to overcome your difficulty with eating the optimal amount of food daily. > ...alike leaving alcohol by an chronic alcoholic. Actually, unlike. Food is not addicting but essential for life. > Can a so > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by > discontinuing oral hypoglycemic medicine/insulin? Such medications need to be adjusted per parameters given by your doctor(s) based on your fasting blood glucose values. > Initially a diabetic2 experiances polyphagia, polyuria and polydipsia > on hyperglycemia but later after on oral medication/insulin just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Which is better polydipsia & polyuria on hyperglycemia OR no > polydipsia & polyuria on hyperglycemia? The latter. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a little bit more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > Once you have the truth in your heart you will be able to overcome your > difficulty with eating the optimal amount of food daily. Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it esp. when one is on diabetic medication program? > > ...alike leaving alcohol by an chronic alcoholic. > > Actually, unlike. > > Food is not addicting but essential for life. But can't excess food or overeating become habitual or greed? > > Can a so > > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by > > discontinuing oral hypoglycemic medicine/insulin? > > Such medications need to be adjusted per parameters given by your > doctor(s) based on your fasting blood glucose values. Yes, but can diabetic medications interfere in achieving this goal of avoiding overeating or eating optimal quantity? > > Initially a diabetic2 experiances polyphagia, polyuria and polydipsia > > on hyperglycemia but later after on oral medication/insulin just [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The latter. How then, one will excret excess glucose in urine normally? What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on taking diabetic medicines? > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it esp. when > one is on diabetic medication program? No. It does require vigilance in recognizing and embracing that which is true. > > > ...alike leaving alcohol by an chronic alcoholic. > > > > Actually, unlike. > > > > Food is not addicting but essential for life. > But can't excess food or overeating become habitual or greed? It arises from the false belief that hunger is bad. > > > Can a so > > > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by > > > discontinuing oral hypoglycemic medicine/insulin? > > > > Such medications need to be adjusted per parameters given by your > > doctor(s) based on your fasting blood glucose values. > Yes, but can diabetic medications interfere in achieving this goal of > avoiding overeating or eating optimal quantity? Only when parameters are not given to prevent overmedication. > > > Initially a diabetic2 experiances polyphagia, polyuria and polydipsia > > > on hyperglycemia but later after on oral medication/insulin just [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > The latter. > How then, one will excret excess glucose in urine normally? Glucosuria is not normal. > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > taking diabetic medicines? Healthier kidneys. > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a > > little bit more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar > > whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > No. It does require vigilance in recognizing and embracing that which > is true. But interfearances by free will may interfere in achieving it or achieving the truth, inspite we know the truth in our soul? > > > > ...alike leaving alcohol by an chronic alcoholic. > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > It arises from the false belief that hunger is bad. Any predisposed or aquired manifestation may cause to get such belief. Gestational diabetes, mother taking less food during pregnacy or due to some mother's defect, baby may get maternal predisposition for greed and hunger of food. I have seen few babies prefer to eat more and occasionaly(alike diabetic2) others not. We can consider babies got brainwashing. ?? > > > > Can a so > > > > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Only when parameters are not given to prevent overmedication. It may be difficult to evaulate and measure these parameters in IR patients because glucose levels can be deceptive to medicines? > > > > Initially a diabetic2 experiances polyphagia, polyuria and polydipsia > > > > on hyperglycemia but later after on oral medication/insulin just [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Glucosuria is not normal. Yes, but can't one with hyperglycemia excrete more or less sugar in urine in 24 hrs inspite his blood glucose is similar..due to changed urine secrations? > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > taking diabetic medicines? > > Healthier kidneys. With same glucose levels with or without taking diabetic medicines, how one can get polydipsia & polyuria when not on medicines/insulin and no polydipsia & polyuria when on medication? > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > sho...@trailing-edge.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > But interfearances by free will may interfere in achieving it or > achieving the truth, inspite we know the truth in our soul? It is satan and not free will that interferes with embracing the truth, Who is LORD Jesus Christ. > > > > > ...alike leaving alcohol by an chronic alcoholic. > > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > occasionaly(alike diabetic2) others not. We can consider babies got > brainwashing. ?? It is satan who is the source of the brainwashing. He is the prince of lies. > > > > > Can a so > > > > > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It may be difficult to evaulate and measure these parameters in IR > patients because glucose levels can be deceptive to medicines? You will need to rely on your doctor to recommend a set a parameters for you to use. > > > > > Initially a diabetic2 experiances polyphagia, polyuria and polydipsia > > > > > on hyperglycemia but later after on oral medication/insulin just [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > urine in 24 hrs inspite his blood glucose is similar..due to changed > urine secrations? It would be due to renal dysfunction. > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > one can get polydipsia & polyuria when not on medicines/insulin and no > polydipsia & polyuria when on medication? The latter would be because the medications are helping the kidneys be healthier. > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a > > > > little bit more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar > > > > whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it esp. when > > > > one is on diabetic medication program? > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > It is satan who is the source of the brainwashing. He is the prince of > lies. Can he be predisposed in us? > > > > > > Can a so > > > > > > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > > > Glucosuria is not normal. Can a person with hyperglycemia lose more or less sugar per day in urine depending on quantity of urine excreted? > > Yes, but can't one with hyperglycemia excrete more or less sugar in > > urine in 24 hrs inspite his blood glucose is similar..due to changed > > urine secrations? > > It would be due to renal dysfunction. Urine secretions can also be effected by less or more intake of water? In such case, can one taking more water and passing more urine in 24hrs, will lose more sugar than other similar one taking less water and passing less urine? > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The latter would be because the medications are helping the kidneys be > healthier. Will it not restrict/decrease sugar loss in urine leading to persistance of hyperglycemia? How hypertension causes kidney damages and proteinuria? > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > It is satan who is the source of the brainwashing. He is the prince of > > lies. > Can he be predisposed in us? He is a fallen archangel formerly known as Lucifer. > > > > > > > Can a so > > > > > > > declared diabetic2 with IR, get better control on overeating by [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Can a person with hyperglycemia lose more or less sugar per day in > urine depending on quantity of urine excreted? Yes. > > > Yes, but can't one with hyperglycemia excrete more or less sugar in > > > urine in 24 hrs inspite his blood glucose is similar..due to changed > > > urine secrations? > > > > It would be due to renal dysfunction. > Urine secretions can also be effected by less or more intake of water? > In such case, can one taking more water and passing more urine in > 24hrs, will lose more sugar than other similar one taking less water > and passing less urine? Correct. > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The latter would be because the medications are helping the kidneys be > > healthier. > Will it not restrict/decrease sugar loss in urine leading to > persistance of hyperglycemia? Not clinically seen. > How hypertension causes kidney damages and proteinuria? By damaging the glomerular basement membrane. > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a > > > > > > little bit more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar > > > > > > whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Correct. Will it not impact on glucose in blood? If yes, how? > > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > By damaging the glomerular basement membrane. Being hygroscopic, Can high glucose levels in blood increase blood volume by holding more water in blood resulting into high blood pressure? > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > > > Correct. > Will it not impact on glucose in blood? Yes. > If yes, how? Lowers it. > > > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > volume by holding more water in blood resulting into high blood > pressure? Not clinically seen. > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > > > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a > > > > > > > > little bit more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar > > > > > > > > whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > Lowers it. As such, why can't be some increased absorption and/or decreased excretion be the reason to hyperglycemia > > > > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Not clinically seen. One form of diabetes is somewhat hyperosmolor hyperglycemia?? > > > > > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of > > > > > > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so that we can love others a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 94 lines] > > > > Lowers it. > As such, why can't be some increased absorption and/or decreased > excretion be the reason to hyperglycemia Because glucosuria is pathological. Glucose is a macronutrient. > > > > > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > > > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > Not clinically seen. > One form of diabetes is somewhat hyperosmolor hyperglycemia?? Not a form of diabetes but a transient state of acute decompensation.. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so the we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > > Because glucosuria is pathological. Glucose is a macronutrient. Can't it be a transient state or temporary s non-pathological? Whether increased absorption of glucose/carbs is also pathological? > > > > > > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on > > > > > > > > > > taking diabetic medicines? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Not a form of diabetes but a transient state of acute decompensation.. Can high or low intake and excretion of glucose and water occur in diabetes effecting his glucose levels? > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so the we can love our [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > Can't it be a transient state or temporary s non-pathological? Not clinically. > Whether increased absorption of glucose/carbs is also pathological? > > > > > > > > > > > What causes no polydipsia & polyuria on same level hyperglycemia on [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Can high or low intake and excretion of glucose and water occur in > diabetes effecting his glucose levels? The primary means of regulating blood glucose level is response to insulin. In someone with type-2 diabetes, the latter will be impaired until the VAT is gone: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so the we can love our > > neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor > > Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 148 lines] > > http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee How insulin can be impaired due to VAT? > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so the we can love our [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 150 lines] > > How insulin can be impaired due to VAT? It is the insulin response that is impaired by the systemic inflammation caused by the VAT. > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so the we can love our > > > > neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor > > > > Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 153 lines] > It is the insulin response that is impaired by the systemic > inflammation caused by the VAT. Thanks. MARRY CHRISTMAS & Season's greetings to you dear Dr. Andrew B. Chung. > > > > > May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our > > > > > diabetes, depression, anxiety and panic so the we can love our [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 155 lines] > > Thanks. All thanks and praises belong to GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength: http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/fear.asp Fear GOD and dread nothing (especially not the demons around here) that is of this world: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought > MARRY CHRISTMAS & Season's greetings to you dear Dr. Andrew B. Chung. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for your kind heart. Laus Deo ! May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing our diabetes, depression, anxiety, or panic so that we can love our neighbors a little more and LORD Jesus Christ a lot more, dear neighbor Kumar whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > > > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 189 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Thanks and God bless you and make people to understand you better. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it [quoted text clipped - 179 lines] > > Thanks and God bless you and make people to understand you better. You are welcome and HE has blessed me more than anyone in this world could possibly ever know. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Meanwhile, HIS brethren have been blessed: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/DreadNought ... and continue to be blessed: http://MabletonGA.OurLittle.net/Guarantee (note: Only those who are blessed by LORD GOD Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, will have access to these and other related OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by TheWellnessFoundation.com) snip> > > > > > How insulin can be impaired due to VAT? > > > > > It is the insulin response that is impaired by the systemic > > > > > inflammation caused by the VAT. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > OurLittle.net articles per a secure IP database maintained by > TheWellnessFoundation.com) Thanks. > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Thanks. Again, you are welcome, Kumar :-) May the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ continue to pray for you and others convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] > In someone with type-2 diabetes, the latter will be impaired until the > VAT is gone: Whether VAT express increased stores of energy, so not required, so insulin secretion is less? Does it indicate, dependance of insulin's secretion on fats instead of glucose or on both? > http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/overweight.asp > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > > > > > snip> > > > Yes, does it take prolonged thinking/practice to achieve it > > > > > > > > > esp. when [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] > > In someone with type-2 diabetes, the latter will be impaired until the > > VAT is gone: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/565dcf43b835714d > Whether VAT express increased stores of energy, so not required, so > insulin secretion is less? VAT causes insulin resistance so that insulin secretion is necessarily increased to achieve euglycemia. > Does it indicate, dependance of insulin's secretion on fats instead of > glucose or on both? Neither. Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD http://EmoryCardiology.com |
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