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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006Diet Myths debunked
An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily Telegraph. In general he advocates healthy diet (50% cals from carbs, 30% form good fats, 20 from protein ) Day 4 he has a go at exploding Diet myths ... Myth 1 Low-fat diets are the best way to lose weight and stay healthy Myth 2 Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes Myth 3 Low-carb, high-protein diets (such as the Atkins Diet) are best Myth 4 You can't drink too much water Myth 5 Diet is more important than exercise Myth 6 Lack of dietary fibre causes bowel cancer Myth 7 Phytosterols - a safe way to reduce cholesterol http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2006/11/30/nosplit/hwin e30.xml I wonder what his qualifications are for "exploding" these myths, but I'm not likely to take diet advice from a "drunken English Professor at any rate." ;-) -- Cheri Peter C wrote in message ... >An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is >currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2006/11/30/nosplit/hwin e30.xml > Myth 2 > > Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes He places no weight on genetics? Amazing. Surely you don't find any value in this idiot's writing? Priscilla >> Myth 2 >> >> Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes > > He places no weight on genetics? Amazing. Surely you don't find any > value in this idiot's writing? His writing has lots of value. It helps the Daily Telegraph sell papers. However, as a reliable source of medical information, I don't see any value. As far as saying sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes, he is correct. Sugar doesn't cause these. Excessive consumption of sugar causes diabetes and obesity, especially when combined with a lack of excercise. In addition, he appears to be focusing on causes that one can change. So, that may be why he doesn't mention genetics. Don't get me wrong, this guy is full of ca ca. I am not defending him. I am just pointing out an altenative view. Jeff > Priscilla > >> Myth 2 > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As far as saying sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes, he is > correct. Sugar doesn't cause these. Uh, he said that it was a myth that it didn't. That means he believe it does. > Excessive consumption of sugar causes > diabetes and obesity, especially when combined with a lack of excercise. In [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Jeff Priscilla >> Myth 2 >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Priscilla Best to read the articles, rather than Peter's very brief resume. I haven't finished them yet, but he's not an idiot and he's certainly not a "drunken English Professor". Read this first: http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk/staff/corder.html That doesn't mean I agree with him in everything he writes - I can't, because I haven't yet read it all because there is a lot to read - but base any opinions on what he writes rather than a second-hand opinion. Showing my own bias, I'm certainly prepared to read a little further than the title for someone who bases his diet around red wine:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari I don't like wine. Now, if he were a beer drinking drunken professor, I might listen. ;-) -- Cheri Alan S wrote in message ... >Showing my own bias, I'm certainly prepared to read a little >further than the title for someone who bases his diet around [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ >latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari He had the Atkin's Diet wrong in his myth buster, so that tells me he didn't really read the book before commenting on the "myth." -- Cheri Alan S wrote in message ... >I haven't finished them yet, but he's not an idiot and he's >certainly not a "drunken English Professor". >Read this first: >http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk/staff/corder.html > He had the Atkin's Diet wrong in his myth buster, so that tells me he > didn't really read the book before commenting on the "myth." He's a professor dealing with nutrition etc. not only has he probably read Atkins, he might well have students doing dissertations, theses, PhDs about it. Well, his comment on the Atkins Diet was wrong, so he obviously doesn't understand it. There's a big difference between "induction" and maintenance, and Atkins doesn't disallow vegetables or fruit at all. -- Cheri Peter C wrote in message ... >> He had the Atkin's Diet wrong in his myth buster, so that tells me he >> didn't really read the book before commenting on the "myth." > >He's a professor dealing with nutrition etc. >not only has he probably read Atkins, he might well have students doing >dissertations, theses, PhDs about it. > Showing my own bias, I'm certainly prepared to read a little > further than the title for someone who bases his diet around > red wine:-) Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries. This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription. Frank > Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - > http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt > Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries. > > This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription. No it's the same study just a different newspaper reporting it. > Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt > Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries. > > This was on the Washington Post and may require subscription. Frank Also in Peanut skins. Here is supporting link: http://tinyurl.com/y48em7 <\begin quote> "Peanut skin could provide an inexpensive source of natural antioxidants, such as catechins and procyanidin, for use in food and dietary supplements," said Jianmei Yu from North Carolina A&T State University, lead author of a new study on how peanut skin removal techniques affect polyphenolic content and anti-oxidant activity." "Peanut skin contained higher concentration of procyanidin trimers and tetramers than grape seed which gives peanut skin a comparative advantage as a source of potent antioxidants," said the researchers. The total antioxidant activity (TAA) of the peanut skin extracts "increased almost linearly with increasing concentration of total phenolics, and they were higher than those of Trolox [vitamin E analogue] and vitamin C with exception of TAA of crude extract from the blanched peanut skin," reported Yu." <\end quote> Anil T2DM Eating Plant based Whole Food diet + 100miles/month walk :-) A1C 5.8 dx June 05 2x500Mg Metformin, No other medication Trig/HDL 1.76: Trig 67 mg/dL >> Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt >> Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >2x500Mg Metformin, No other medication >Trig/HDL 1.76: Trig 67 mg/dL An acquired taste; not for me I'm afraid. I tried whole boiled peanuts in Georgia - never again. I put them in the same food group as haggis, tripe and brains - delicacies I've tried at least once but now leave for those who appreciate them, because I certainly don't. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari > An acquired taste; not for me I'm afraid. I tried whole > boiled peanuts in Georgia - never again. Oh personally I do prefer eating live peanuts over dead ones :-). But thats another story. Well if you see the main article at the root of this thread you do have good choices listed. They all can be part of a prudent diet. Here is the list I am reproducing from original article. <\begin quote> Variety is important, so even though you drink red wine, eat apples and add other polyphenol-rich foods to your diet, remember that complete nutrition means eating a wide range of foods. Almonds, hazelnuts and peanuts also contain procyanidins in their skins. There are plenty of delicious alternative sources of procyanidins. Chocolate, apples and cranberries, for example, all contain abundant amounts of procyanidins. And procyanidins are not the only polyphenols that have a beneficial effect on blood-vessel function. Pomegranates, for example, are a rich source of many different polyphenols, which make a good substitute for the procyanidins in wine. Approximately 50g of raspberries - or 100g of blackberries, strawberries or redcurrants - contain similar amounts of polyphenols to a 125ml glass of procyanidin-rich red wine. Cranberries are a rich source of procyanidins, which is what accounts for this protective action against UTIs. They are a different type to those found in wine, chocolate and apples, so while they have a similar effect on blood-vessel function to wine, wine does not have the same action on the urinary tract. Dried cranberries are a convenient alternative. Approximately 40g of dried cranberries are equivalent to a 250ml serving of juice, and the added sugar in most dried cranberries is slightly less than the sugar content of regular cranberry juice drinks Red Delicious and Granny Smiths are also good choices for procyanidin content, but have very low amounts of vitamin C. A 250ml glass of Concord purple grape juice contains about the same amount of procyanidins as a 125ml glass of procyanidin-rich red wine <\end quote> Anil T2DM When it comes eating greens, moderation is the last thing I think of :-) G'day G'day Anil, What was the URL for the "original article?" Thanks Best wishes Quentin. This post not CC'd by email >Here is >the list I am reproducing from original article. [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > ><\end quote>  SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > G'day G'day Anil, > > What was the URL for the "original article?" The wine diet, day 4: revealed - the food fads that damage your health - http://tinyurl.com/yhavwt http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2006/11/30/nosplit/hwin e30.xml I tried to find part 5 about a half hour ago, but it did not come up. Frank This post not CC'd by email On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:53:50 -0500, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng> wrote: >> G'day G'day Anil, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Frank G'day G'day Frank, The original article I was looking for was the one that gave procyanidin levels for other foods eg mulberries, peanuts, hazelnuts, almonds. There is a natural tendency for people to gravitate towards wine in these discussions but IMHO a complete diet needs other sources or procyanidins. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > This post not CC'd by email > On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 21:53:50 -0500, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > wine in these discussions but IMHO a complete diet needs other sources > or procyanidins. Concentration of PAs in common foods http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/134/3/613/T1 The amount of procyanidins per unit of measure is given in the table: Blueberries, cultivated highbush; Blueberries, lowbush; Cranberries; Blackberries; Marion berries; Choke berries; Raspberries; Strawberries; Blackcurrants; Cherries; Green grapes; Red grapes; Grape seed (dry); Apple, red delicious, with peel; Apple, red delicious without peel; Apple, golden delicious, with peel; Apple, golden delicious, without peel; Apple, granny smith; Apple, gala; Apple, fuji; Apple sauce; Peaches; Peach, canned heavy syrup; Pears, green cultivars; Nectarines; Black plums; Plums, black diamond; Plums; Apricots; Kiwis, gold; Kiwis; Avocados; Mangos; Dates, Deglet Noor (fresh); Bananas; Vegetable - Indian squash, raw; Cereals and beans - Sorghum, sumac bran; Sorghum, sumac whole grain; Sorghum, hi-tannin whole grain; Sorghum, hi-tannin whole grain extrudate; Pinto beans, raw; Pinto beans, simmered; Small red beans; Red kidney beans; Barley; Black eye peas; Black beans; Nuts - Hazelnuts; Pecans; Pistachios; Almonds; Walnuts; Peanuts, roasted; Peanut butter; Cashews; Baking chocolate, unsweetened; Black chocolate; Milk chocolate; Chocolate milk; Red wine; Beer; Cranberry juice cocktail; Grape juice; Apple juice; Spices - Cinnamon, ground; and Curry powder. The threads (including one of the more recent ones - http://tinyurl.com/ycctfj)- we have had on ORACS is reminence of this list indicating that procyanidins may be a significant part part of their antioxidant effects. We need all we can get to offset oxidative stress common in diabetes. As you are aware, procyanidins a class of polyphenols, but for the sake of others is the following: Dietary Intake and Bioavailability of Polyphenols - http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/130/8/2073S This article has been cited 313 times - http://tinyurl.com/y8xc6t. Frank This post not CC'd by email On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 16:24:37 -0500, Jefferson <xyz@adelphia.netng> wrote: >Concentration of PAs in common foods >http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/134/3/613/T1 G'day G'day Frank, If we take oligmeric to mean half dozen to a dozen condensed units that suggests the important column in the 7 to 10. >The threads (including one of the more recent ones - >http://tinyurl.com/ycctfj)- we have had on ORACS is reminence of this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Dietary Intake and Bioavailability of Polyphenols - >http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/130/8/2073S Interesting that apples score higher than red wine. Perhaps an apple a day would do more to keep the doctor away. In New Zealand there was an investigation done a few years back to find which varieties had the highest concentration of antioxidants. Maybe it was specifically polyphenol content. You have encouraged me to go back and find the information. I tried to encourage a good friend of mine to graft some onto trees in his orchard. He told me there was a good reason why "old varieties" became old varieties. People didn't like them. >This article has been cited 313 times - http://tinyurl.com/y8xc6t. > >Frank Thank you Frank. You encourage me to search for factual material that can be of real use to us rather than newspaper headline grabbing splurbs. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > I tried to find part 5 about a half hour ago, but it did not come up. Try http://tinyurl.com/y9y283, It does seem to work for me. He has plenty of "common sense" advice. Here is more from it. "Many people follow a weight loss diet until they reach their target and then put the weight back on. Unless you change the way you eat and start to exercise you are not going to see a permanent loss of body fat or a long-term improvement in your health. If you want to lose weight, meals have to be satisfying so that you do not resort to snacks. Apart from fruit - or vegetables such as cherry tomatoes, carrots, celery or peppers - I do not recommend snacking between meals, especially if you are trying to lose weight. A break between meals allows your body to enter fat-burning mode. Cutting out REFINED starchy foods and sugary foods and drinks will help curb cravings. Regular exercise and eating at the times that suit you best will benefit your health and well-being. If these changes do not result in gradual weight loss over a few months then controlling portion size is the next step." Note the emphasis on exercise! He seems to suggest that long term gains are simply not possible without adding this essential component to lifestyle change. He is in in good company here. Anil T2DM The wine diet, day 5: how to keep off all the pounds you have lost - http://tinyurl.com/y9y283 (short link). http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/main.jhtml?xml=/health/2006/12/01/hwine01.xml Frank = Jefferson G'day G'day Quentin, > G'day G'day Anil, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Best wishes > Quentin. The article appeared in Telegraph (UK) publication in 4 parts. Here are all the URLs: o Drink wine, eat well, live longer. Really! - 27 Nov 2006 - http://tinyurl.com/ydzvpx o The Wine Diet, day 2: Spice up your life and save your heart - 28 Nov 2006 - http://tinyurl.com/ycmpsw o The wine diet, day 3: how to live well - and save your life - 29 Nov 2006 - http://tinyurl.com/ym6erz o The wine diet, day 4: revealed - the food fads that damage your health - 30 Nov 2006 - http://tinyurl.com/yhavwt Interview with Professor Roger Corder It's a diet- but not as we know it - http://tinyurl.com/yzkv9p I suspect your request was for some other article. But I am not sure. The only other article that I referenced in this thread is on peanut skins. Here is the URL for that article: o Peanut waste to rival grape seed extracts? - http://tinyurl.com/y48em7 I had also included this link in response to Frank's contribution. I have been quite perplexed as to why whole peanuts have not been mentioned here more often. I know there are people who have peanut allergies. But that is relatively a very small minority. For the rest its an excellent source of so many vital micro nutrients. I know personally I have enormously benefited from using them as one of my staple diets! If it is mentioned at all, it is done with total distaste giving a novice person a wrong impression that its best avoided! I have no clue why such negative opinions are forcefully expressed. Sure for some they may not work but such is the case with many food preferences! Any way not my loss. I continue to enjoy them! As always wishing you the very best! Anil > G'day G'day Quentin, > > What was the URL for the "original article?" > > Thanks > > Best wishes And in case you are realy looking for the "root" research paper you can read about this study in the journal Nature, November 30 issue. I don't subscribe to "Nature". Sorry. =========== http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7119/abs/444566a.html Oenology: Red wine procyanidins and vascular health R. Corder1, W. Mullen2, N. Q. Khan1, S. C. Marks2, E. G. Wood1, M. J. Carrier1 and A. Crozier1 Regular, moderate consumption of red wine is linked to a reduced risk of coronary heart disease and to lower overall mortality1, but the relative contribution of wine's alcohol and polyphenol components to these effects is unclear2. Here we identify procyanidins as the principal vasoactive polyphenols in red wine and show that they are present at higher concentrations in wines from areas of southwestern France and Sardinia, where traditional production methods ensure that these compounds are efficiently extracted during vinification. These regions also happen to be associated with increased longevity in the population. =========== Anil T2DM G'day G'day Anil, When I first diagnosed with T2 diabetes I spent considerable time deciding on "staple" items for my own personal diet. These are foods that I would prefer to have in my diet given a choice of similar items. Almonds and hazelnuts provided me with months of thinking. Almonds and hazelnuts seemed to be outstanding but it was difficult if not impossible to decide which was better. In both cases I insisted on raw nuts with their skins on. I was hoping you had a source that listed the procyanidin levels of almonds and hazelnuts with their skins on. Best wishes and thank you, Quentin. This post not CC'd by email >> G'day G'day Quentin, >> > What was the URL for the "original article?" [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Anil >T2DM SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin : >> Another Study, Another Reason to Drink Red Wine - http://tinyurl.com/yn7qzt : >> Procyanidins are also found in dark chocolate, apples and cranberries. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] : >2x500Mg Metformin, No other medication : >Trig/HDL 1.76: Trig 67 mg/dL : An acquired taste; not for me I'm afraid. I tried whole : boiled peanuts in Georgia - never again. I put them in the : same food group as haggis, tripe and brains - delicacies : I've tried at least once but now leave for those who : appreciate them, because I certainly don't. : Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. : d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ : latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari I have never had boiled peanuts, but when we used to get the peanuts, roasted in their shells, i woudl eatthe skins along with the nuts with no problem. Wendy > An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is > currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily > Telegraph. In general he advocates healthy diet (50% cals from carbs, 30% > form good fats, 20 from protein ) Day 4 he has a go at exploding Diet > myths Is the guy a professor of the English language and literature (you know, like an English Department in a university) or professor in a University in England? Or both? Either way, the Daily Telegraph is not a good source of medical information. I would not recommend following his advice. Jeff >> An English Professor has written a book called the Wine Diet and is >> currently discussing his main ideas in a series of articles in the Daily [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Jeff Read: http://www.whri.qmul.ac.uk/staff/corder.html Roger Corder BSc, MSc, PhD, MRPharmS Professor of Experimental Therapeutics Roger Corder studied pharmacy at the University of Portsmouth before taking a pre-registration position in North East Thames Regional Heath Authority, which included training in clinical pharmacy under the tutelage of Paul Turner at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. After qualifying as a pharmacist in 1978 he embarked on a career in research through positions in Endocrinology and Chemical Pathology at the Medical College of St. Bartholomew’s Hospital. He obtained an MSc in Pharmacology from the University of East London in 1981, and was awarded a PhD in 1986 from the University of London for his studies of neuropeptide Y. He undertook research for five years in the Department of Medicine in Geneva, Switzerland before returning to London in 1991 to take up a position of senior scientist leading endothelin research at the William Harvey Research Institute. He became Professor of Experimental Therapeutics in 2000. Since 2000 he has also been chairman of the management committee of the William Harvey Research Foundation (http://www.whrf.org.uk). Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari This post not CC'd by email >I would not recommend following his advice. > >Jeff G'day G'day Jeff, He gets some things right that other writers have missed. For example he recognises the value of lutein and zeaxanthin for protecting eyesight. Where except from around here would you get such information? He also recognises that the diet of Crete was a standout winner amongst the Mediterranean diets. Where except from around here would you get such information? OK, some of his Myth Busting appear as conjectures that are as likely to create new myths as to bust old ones. Maybe it helps to think of it as a mixed bag and decide what to keep and what to throw out. IMHO he provides us with a seed for healthy discussion. How about it? Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin <snip> > Myth 2 > > Sugar consumption does not cause obesity or diabetes <snip> Eh? I didn't bother to read this through. But does this mean he says sugar consumption DOES cause obesity and diabetes? SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm In alt.support.diabetes on Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:52:16 GMT in Msg.# > Eh? I didn't bother to read this through. But does this mean he says sugar > consumption DOES cause obesity and diabetes? That's an example of that old myth about obfuscation, right? <G> SignatureDonna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel "Don't try to outweird me - I get stranger things than you free with my breakfast cereal." - Douglas Adams [3/11/52-5/11/01, tHHGttG] |
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