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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / November 2006Ping Madison
Dear Madison I read your pain in your notes to Mack, and I am moved to share my story with you. I too have been suicidally depressed at points in my life. I am now 53, and have had severe depression off & on since I was a child. Back in the 1950's, 60's & 70's there wasn't the awareness of childhood depression that we have now, so other than talk therapy and some inappropriate medicines, my depression was untreated. I did have some happy times, but the stupid fog always came back. When I was in my 30's severe depression struck with a vengance. Despite a nice husband, 2 wonderful children, a job I liked and a generally good life, I wanted to die. It got so bad that I began having auditory hallucinations - voices telling me that my children would be much better off if I was dead because my essence was poisoning them. OY! I ended up in my first psychiatric hopsital stay, and began getting good medicines and excellent talk therapy. It took a total of 11 years of talk therapy, 4 hospital stays, actually taking the medicine my doctor prescribed, and getting clean & sober off drugs & alcohol (which I used as self treatment) to get to where I am now. IT WAS ALL WORTH IT. I wish I could give you the lightness of heart, the joy in life and the intense gratitude that I have today that I did not die. Life gets better. A phrase I was taught in my first funny farm stay has stuck with me: "Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem". Trite maybe, but true. My mother killed herself nearly 13 years ago at age 63 after a lifetime of incorrectly and un-treated depression. I wish I could share with you the agony her death caused all of us who cared for her, especially my sister. Suicide is the ultimate "f.ck you" to the people who care for you. It is an unanswerable statement. In my pain during my depression, ending all feelings was what I wanted, but I didn't realize that I would have been transferring that pain to my loved ones. If it would help you to talk privately with someone who has been through the pain of wanting, craving death, please email me at sharppointy1@yahoo.com. I would be happy to share my experience, strength and hope with you. Barbara J > Dear Madison > I read your pain in your notes to Mack, and I am moved to share my [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > strength and hope with you. > Barbara J The only thing that can help us overcome depression, anxiety, and/or panic is love. Love never fails. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we will be able to love others just a little bit more, dear Barbara whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message i thing thoughts like this are very common among teens. I know I have been there and thought about it many times as a kid. I wonder how many others here can say the same thing. I also wonder how many others here that live with not only the trouble of illness but also intenst pain and glad that they are still here. With all the troubles Madison may have that will seem less and less trouble some as her life goes on. Madison is a very good looking young lady and i would not be suprised at all if there are girls in her school that think would trade their life for Madisons. there are probaby also lots of guys that would love to ask her out but are to shy cause of how pretty she is. I know i wish i was 35 years younger lol. sometimes the troubles we face in life make us much better people and highly respected. One day she will have kids and a loving husband and think about how lucky she is. i had a friend of mine that was being charged for a murder he did not commit. he also thought about killing himself. can you amagine spending most of your life in jail for something you didnt do? its funny because some how i feel that our talks way back when are part of the reason he is still here today and when i was in my teens his friendship that was tighter than a brothers is one of the reasons I am also here. she should also be thinking about how this is hurting her mother and father. they must be going crazy thinking about this. I know my web site isnt all that much but if there is something she would like to say to other young type 1's I would be happy to put it there. or perhaps making her own web site would help her. Tom : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message : [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] : : Tom I'm going to stick my neck out here a wee bit.. Personally I think depression IS BULLSHIT! it's a phucking cop-out for the WEAK... Am I weak? Hell yes at times.. can I show it? Hell no! my mom would have kicked my a.s to the moon and back. Am I lucky that I had a hell of a support system at home growing up? Yes... But I've also learned a great deal on my own while growing up. Is depression a mother not able to hold her child because of intense pain? Is depression a mother missing her childs sports activities or school activities because of intense pain? Is depression because you're unable to work and your husband loses HIS job because the bills are behind? Is depression the inability to make love with your husband because of intense pain? For more several years..... Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because your husband has to work harder the other men to be able to by YOUR medication for YOU to LIVE!?! Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because you've passed on your shitty a.s genes to your child who also has an autoimmune disease? I could go on... believe me there is MUCH MORE.... but those are the highlights off the top of my head... I'm no worse for wear. What unfortunately hasn't killed me has only made me stronger.... and knowing there is someone out there worse off then I am... makes me grateful for what I have... And from what others have posted I still have it worse it appears.. .*geeze!* Buck up, wipe the snot off and get on with your life..  SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u i'm sure that Madison will really feel your support from this post Madison...... if you are reading this, please ignore it.... unless someone has gone thru a clinical depression, they have NO IDEA what you are talking about been there, done that, got the t-shirt kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message > : [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > LIVE!?! > Is depression the tremendous GUILT you carry daily because you've passed on > your > shitty a.s genes to your child who also has an autoimmune disease? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > get on with > your life.. Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your depression... and should be called pathetic instead... ever open that 5yr can of Salmon yet? LMAO... As everyone in this PUBLIC newsgroup is allowed to express their opinion, I am as well... If you don't want crap talked about... then don't post. SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u : i'm sure that Madison will really feel your : support from this post [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] : > get on with : > your life.. your kindness is only exceeded by your IQ i would expect as much from you kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your depression... > and should be called pathetic instead... ever open [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > : > : kate news:0Yjbh.4851$tM1.2266@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > : > "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in > : message [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > : > get on with > : > your life.. >your kindness is only exceeded by your IQ > >i would expect as much from you > >kate Hi, Kate -- I feel so silly. I couldn't for the life of me figure out why you were saying that to Barbara! I finally scolled down to see what was going on and found the posts I missed. I guess when she complains, she's expressing an opinion, but when anyone else does it, they are whining. The funny thing about growing up is learning self-control and that the world doesn't revolve around you. Looks like there's still some work to be done there. I have a few of those t-shirts myself -- perhaps we can all get together and sponsor a baseball team? We'd already have the uniforms! ;-) -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. Blue......... i'm simply reeling from the potential impact her ignorant words will have on Madison, and i pray that Madison can maintain SOME self-esteem in light of such ignorance! yes, we should get a team together for the BTDT t-shirt club :-) kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > >your kindness is only exceeded by your IQ > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The things that come to those who wait will > be the things left by those who got there first. >Blue......... i'm simply reeling from the >potential impact her ignorant words will have on >Madison, and i pray that Madison can maintain SOME >self-esteem in light of such ignorance! Hi, Kate -- I'm with you. It was a shock to say the least. Not only the actual words, but the many implications from posting something like that, not the least of which is the fact that it was aimed at that young lady! But the upside is that it gives a keen insight into the person who posted it in the first place. And it's even worse than I feared. I'm just hoping Madison can see it that way -- since she's obviously much more mature, I'm sure she'll be okay. >yes, we should get a team together for the BTDT >t-shirt club :-) I like it! LOL! -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. Have you ever heard of crossing the line Reisa? Posting an opinion on someone elses post is one thing, posting things that people have told you in private, no matter when it was, or how you feel about that someone now, is a whole different story, and crosses that line IMO. I think it would be helpful if you took a good look at posts like this before hitting the send button. :-( -- Cheri rk wrote in message <2pkbh.4744$ql2.337@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>... >Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your depression... >and should be called pathetic instead... ever open [quoted text clipped - 163 lines] >: > Daily CHO: 150-200gm >: > TDD: 34-38u Cheri........ i have NO idea what the animosity is all about, but i try my best to simply ignore it, and take it for what it is all about the salmon story?........ my father lived at the coast, and he used to fish for Salmon at least once a week........ he would bring home his catch, and immediately can the salmon (or freeze it for himself), but the canned salmon he would send home with us kids after every visit......... i had ONE can of salmon left in the house (from Dad) when he died...... i simply couldn't bring myself to opening that can of salmon that had been packed with love for his daughter, knowing that i would never get another can of salmon from him again......... once the can of salmon was 5 years old, it was obviously TOO OLD to open for consumption...... and has since become a sentimental memento of my father and the things he loved to do, and the way he expressed his love for me and my brothers....... the can of salmon is well over 9 years old now....... and i still have it....... i'm sure when i die, my son is going to toss it, wondering WHAT ON EARTH was i saving that can of salmon for, but in the meantime, i have something to remember my father for that means more to me than any material object i could have got from him (i did receive a couple of his t-shirts that i would wear around the house because they reminded me of him) i hope that Reisa Kirsting has a memento of her mother that she can treasure as much as i treasure my memento of my father. kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > Have you ever heard of crossing the line Reisa? Posting an opinion on > someone elses post is one thing, posting things that people have told [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > rk wrote in message <2pkbh.4744$ql2.337@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>... > >Please... LOL I've "heard" all about your depression... > >and should be called pathetic instead... ever open [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >: > >: "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> wrote in message news:0Yjbh.4851$tM1.2266@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > >: > "Gantlet" <Gantlet@Verizon.SPAM.net> wrote in > >: message [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > >: > Daily CHO: 150-200gm > >: > TDD: 34-38u I don't know what it's about either Kate. It just seems to come out of nowhere at times, but I love the salmon story. I can very well understand why the salmon and the shirts mean so much to you. :-) -- Cheri >Cheri........ i have NO idea what the animosity is >all about, but i try my best to simply ignore it, [quoted text clipped - 280 lines] >> >: > Daily CHO: 150-200gm >> >: > TDD: 34-38u > Cheri........ i have NO idea what the animosity is > all about, but i try my best to simply ignore it, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > can of salmon left in the house (from Dad) when he > died...... You have my condolences for your loss. It is my hope that you will someday have him back in your life on the other side. In the Holy Spirit, I know that I will someday see again those who have placed their faith in LORD Jesus Christ, but who have departed from this world and remain asleep in HIM. > i simply couldn't bring myself to > opening that can of salmon that had been packed > with love for his daughter, knowing that i would > never get another can of salmon from him > again......... With GOD, all things are possible (Matthew 19:26). > once the can of salmon was 5 years > old, it was obviously TOO OLD to open for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > t-shirts that i would wear around the house > because they reminded me of him) The can of salmon is a material object that represents a dad's love, which is indeed more valuable than anything this world could offer a daughter. > i hope that Reisa Kirsting has a memento of her > mother that she can treasure as much as i treasure > my memento of my father. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you to share your heartwarming story. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we will be able to love others just a little bit more, dear Kate whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > i simply couldn't bring myself to > opening that can of salmon that had been packed > with love for his daughter, knowing that i would > never get another can of salmon from him > again......... My Mum died 10 years ago - I still have the birthday cake she'd made for me, she died 4 days after my birthday. OK, it's a fruitcake, so should be maturing - but I think there's limits : ) Besides, it's been cried over... Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg >> i simply couldn't bring myself to >> opening that can of salmon that had been packed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nicky. My dear wife diet 8 years ago. Her clothes are still in the chest and the closet. I just can't bring myself to move them. > > i simply couldn't bring myself to > > opening that can of salmon that had been packed [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My Mum died 10 years ago You have my condolences for your loss. > - I still have the birthday cake she'd made for me, > she died 4 days after my birthday. OK, it's a fruitcake, so should be > maturing - but I think there's limits : ) Besides, it's been cried over... It is my hope that she will be back in your life on the other side someday. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we will be able to love others a little bit more, dear Nicky whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love Dangerously ignorant and gratuitously unkind. As usual. I hope Madison is able to ignore this and that no harm comes to her as a result of it. Sheesh. Susan > : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message > : [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > get on with > your life.. > x-no-archive: yes > > Dangerously ignorant and gratuitously unkind. Are you talking about your posts to Julie Bove in M.H.D. recently? Then I'd have to agree with you. Instead of insults, why not post a rebuttal if you disagree with what Reisa posted. I notice that insulting is the m.o. in this group when someone posts an "opinion" that goes against the majority thinking. Kurt Kurt...... did you READ what j0j0 had to say to Madison! it was negligent to say that to her and what qualifications does she have to say what she did YOU are the one saying WE aren't qualified to offer advice RK's 'support' sucked pond water...... and SHE is the first to complain that WE don't support HER............. i guess you will be able to see WHY if you read her post to Madison! i'm appalled! kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Kurt In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:48:50 -0700 in Msg.# > Kurt...... did you READ what j0j0 had to say to > Madison! [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > RK's 'support' sucked pond water...... And, it smacked of little or no education from any source when it comes to mental illness, depression & suicide. > and SHE is > the first to complain that WE don't support > HER............. i guess you will be able to see > WHY if you read her post to Madison! > > i'm appalled! It disgusted me. And, I've worked really hard at staying out of the food throwing wars here since I got here. SignatureDonna B : ^> <*> 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. 09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 "After many years of trying to find steady work, I finally got a job as a Historian - until I realized there was no future in it." - Unknown Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL ;-) -- Cheri Donna B wrote in message >And, I've worked really hard at staying out of the food throwing wars here >since I got here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 hbA1C 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg. >09-11-06 hbA1C 5.0 >Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL >;-) :-)) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari >Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL >;-) rotflmao -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. > Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL > ;-) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > here > >since I got here. I haven't thrown food since I was 10 years old! :) In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800 in Msg.# <r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > Well, that won't work, you're going to have to choose sides soon. LOL > ;-) You haven't. <Giggle> SignatureDonna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel "A sneer is infinitely more noble than a syllogism." - Nietzsche Oh yeah, I'm definitely a low carber, and I'm a low carber...because it helps ME keep control, though it might not work for others. I always tell the diabetics I know about LC and Jennifers' advice as a starting point, whether they try it or not is up to them. I think the ADA serves a purpose, especially in providing links to resources for diabetes related things, but I don't think their dietary guidelines are up to date at all. Personally, I have no use for the ADA diet wise, but others may, and more power to them. Whatever works. :-) -- Cheri 60 year old Type 2 Diagnosed July 1998 500 mg Metformin + 2 mg Amaryl daily. Donna B wrote in message ... >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800 in Msg.# ><r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >"A sneer is infinitely more noble than a syllogism." - Nietzsche In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:16:34 -0800 in Msg.# <S9ydnTJH5ZC9xvPYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" <gserviceatinreachdotcom> wrote: > Oh yeah, I'm definitely a low carber, and I'm a low carber...because it > helps ME keep control, though it might not work for others. I always [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > date at all. Personally, I have no use for the ADA diet wise, but others > may, and more power to them. Whatever works. :-) Oh, I didn't mean choosing sides in that way. That way was easy, at least for me. I tried it one way & it wasn't working. I cut my carbs back more & it began to work. I may be slow, but, ... <G> SignatureDonna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel "All it takes to fly is to hurl yourself at the ground ... and miss." - Douglas Adams [3/11/52-5/11/01, tHHGttG] "Donna B" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message > Oh, I didn't mean choosing sides in that way. That way was easy, at least > for me. I tried it one way & it wasn't working. I cut my carbs back more & > it began to work. I may be slow, but, ... <G> Cheri is like the founder of the current ASD. Jude was a mediator too. His belief was that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. > "Donna B" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > mediator too. His belief was that you catch more flies with > honey than vinegar. That old saying is untrue. Put a dish of honey and a dish of vinegar down. Two days later count the flies. Those vinegar flies will outnumber the sugar eating flies 10 to 1. > > "Donna B" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Two days later count the flies. Those vinegar flies will outnumber the sugar > eating flies 10 to 1. Hee hee, have to remember that with summer approaching, all those blowies! Not even close in a million years Jan. As you know, I can be a real twit, and have said some really hateful things to some posters in the past. Jude never did as I recall, though he could get mad at times, he always knew how to say it right. I'm trying to be more supportive, and to remember that we all have good days and bad days... but I ain't Jude. LOL -- Cheri >"Donna B" <shallotpeel@comcast.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >mediator too. His belief was that you catch more flies with >honey than vinegar. > Not even close in a million years Jan. As you know, I can be a real > twit, and have said some really hateful things to some posters in the > past. Jude never did as I recall, though he could get mad at times, he > always knew how to say it right. I'm trying to be more supportive, and > to remember that we all have good days and bad days... but I ain't > Jude. LOL I am talking about the present not the past :) Don't belittle yourself, lol. Oh, I was thinking you weren't choosing sides about the ADA, LC, and whose food advice was better in the food fights. :-) -- Cheri Donna B wrote in message ... >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:16:34 -0800 in Msg.# ><S9ydnTJH5ZC9xvPYnZ2dnUVZ_v2dnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >"All it takes to fly is to hurl yourself at the ground ... and miss." - >Douglas Adams [3/11/52-5/11/01, tHHGttG] >In alt.support.diabetes on Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:17:36 -0800 in Msg.# ><r9GdnckJV5BuifPYnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@inreach.com>, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >You haven't. <Giggle> Oh ho! Touche!! -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. Hey Reisa It's too bad that you have challenges in your life that cause you pain. Attacking others who are reaching out to someone else in pain hardly seems like a kind thing to do. Do I think I'm weak? Not a chance. Do I think you're mean? You bet. Hijacking a thread aimed at a young woman who needs help is pretty low. Barbara > : "sharppointy1" <sharppointy1@yahoo.com> wrote in message > : [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > Daily CHO: 150-200gm > TDD: 34-38u Okay, folks, I have read through this topic and like most of you would like to offer my support to Maidson. Hopefully some support and proper medication will get her back on the right track. I spent a lot of years unable to stop crying so I understand depression. What I am surprised to see is that none of you are noticing that Reisa is a depressed person who fights her depression by disavowing it even exists. Read through her comments in this thread. It is so obvious it screams. We should be encouraging her to talk to her doctor about this struggle instead of trying to pretend it isn't there. I have known others like this including my own daughter. Once she agreed to talk to her doctor and was given a little medication, her whole life is happier. Reisa, you have lived through much stress. This can result in your body producing less seratonin and the result is clinical depression. Talk to your doctor - you could feel so much better and enjoy life so much more. Depression is a physical disorder of the body - not a mental failing. - Jewel > Okay, folks, I have read through this topic and like most of you would > like to offer my support to Maidson. Hopefully some support and proper [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Jewel Depression is an illness and not a character flaw. I am concerned that Madison has been absent despite being "pinged." May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we will be able to love others just a little bit more, dear Jewel whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > What I am surprised to see is that none of you are noticing that Reisa > is a depressed person who fights her depression by disavowing it even > exists. Read through her comments in this thread. It is so obvious it > screams. Well, Jewel, that's your opinion and you have every right to post it even though I happen to disagree with it. Just wondering if the others in this thread will be as "appalled" by your opinion as they were with Reisa's. Kurt : > What I am surprised to see is that none of you are noticing that Reisa : > is a depressed person who fights her depression by disavowing it even : > exists. Read through her comments in this thread. It is so obvious it : > screams. : Well, Jewel, that's your opinion and you have every right to post it : even though I happen to disagree with it. Just wondering if the others : in this thread will be as "appalled" by your opinion as they were with : Reisa's. : Kurt I don't like armchair phscologizing and dagnosing, but I do think there is a difference betwen addessing an adult and addressing a young person, a teenager going through a very dificult time, whether you think it has a pschological basis or not (situational drepression certainly, can be caused by the close diagnosis of T1 and Celiac in a teenager who has violent gastric complications of the Celiac that keeps her out of school hand her normal life, at this point, for years.) Jewels comment about Reisa will, probably be shrugged off bu her in her usual manner, while I fear that Reisa's comment to Madison might be taken to heart and, possibly, set her back or make her afraid to continue to post here. The group, as a wole, has been very aware that Madison is a young, still forming individual and have treated her accordingly and gently. Now that she is in a weak position, I think blasting that she is a wimp, etc is not helpful, to say the least. False equations are not a great idea in these two situations, even if both were inadvisable. Wendy >: > What I am surprised to see is that none of you are noticing that Reisa >: > is a depressed person who fights her depression by disavowing it even [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >: Kurt The fact that you don't see the difference between Reisa's post and Jewel's speaks volumes about you, Kurt. -- BlueBrooke T2/D&E/June 2005 The things that come to those who wait will be the things left by those who got there first. Hi Madison, This is just a quick note to let you know that very many of us are "in your corner" and pulling for you... Depression can be debilitating, and anyone who has ever suffered from real depression knows that. Also, I can attest that it is a real source of heartache for parents and family members to see a child or loved one suffer from its effects. Some aches just will not go away easily. I am very glad that you seem to be getting the help you need. There is no shame in what has happened in your life. I am just happy for you that you are now on the mend. If there is ever anything I can do or say that may make a positive difference for you, please let me know... Will, T2 |
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