It is possible that prior to the seizure, his bg levels were much
lower.

Different people have different bg levels in different stages of
hypoglycemia. And small children have even wider ranges (and their bg
levels may fluctuate more rapidly too) from my experience working with
local support groups.

I know that when I've been picked up by paramedics that my bg's had
already risen up to the 40's (3.5 mml) even though I had gone through
the seizure/unconsciousness thing already.

Tim.

Hi Helen

Just wishing you and your son well, Helen, and letting you
know it's been read. As a type 2 I can't help a lot more
than that.

It's 8am in New York and 5 am in LA - so give it time and
the US people will be answering.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Pottsville Beach NSW.
d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg
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I am sorry to hear about your son's problems.

As another poster pointed out, the BG could have been lower when the
seizures occurred.

This is one of those times you have to just wait and see. I know  it's hard.

It  sounds like an neurologist is involved.

So you will get to the bottom of this and do what you need to help him.

That is the important part.

Jeff

Hi Helen...

Sorry your son and you had to experience such an event.  Unfortunately it
more then likely won't be the last. (praying that it will!) What Tim said is
very true.  With children they have very rapid changes in their glucose one
minute they might be 400 and you give them a correction bolus and they can
drop to 30 in a matter of a hour. (had that happen to me as an adult, not
fun!)
I've also been out, forgotten to eat, was stuck on the freeway and
everything
went all weirdo on me... thankfully after a few I "thought" duh! test you
idiot!
I did and I was at 31(1.7mmol).  I found a hot juice box in the glovebox,
drank it and
normally this would knock me up approx 30pt but this time for whatever
reason
it knocked me up 100 or so, anyhow in the end after about 45mins I was
sitting
at 145mg (8mmol).   After talking to my endo about it he explained that even
though we aren't aware often, T1's liver's will kick in and dump glucose
even
if we pass out to help bring us back up and for us to wake up if we go out.
Often
over time, T1's livers just stop working when we allow them to over-work to
keep
us out of hypocity.  This also happens with Hypo-unawareness which is why
when
this happens YOU have to allow yourself to run 200+ (over 11mmol) for a few
times
after a hypo to allow the body to build back up awareness (sadly, this is
the ONLY
fix!)

As for the numbness and tingling.. it is possible even though your son
hasn't been
diabetic very long that he might have the early signs of neuropathy.  A good
neurologist
can rule this out with a EMG test.  (sort of painful, but needed) What have
his bg's
been running? If he's bouncing all over (ie:40-400) then it's very possible.
From my
own observation, T1's that bounce alot have more tendancy to get
complications then
those of us that either are hypo proned (stay on the very low side) or dka
proned (stay
on the high side) more then bouncing.

One suggestion... if he is bouncing you might want to discuss with your sons
endo about
pumping.  Many children in the US are put immedately on the pump at
diagnosis to help
better control their glucose during their honeymoon and after.  While it's
expensive no
matter what country you live in... its about the best thing we have for an
artifical pancreas.
Studies prove T1's that have rapid changes are often fixed when they begin
pumping.  As
a young boy... it makes it so much easier to play sports and allows them
much more freedom
to eat as the other kids his age do... of course within reason.. Just a
thought..

Maybe call his Endo and further discuss it with them.

Give your son and you our best.. take care.

recently and has

having an EEG

have

Helen, wait for the results of all testing and conflab with
endo and neurologist. I hope everything turns out well. It
doesn't seem a low enough bg for a seizure but all will
become clear after his tests, I'm sure. Hugs.

[Default] On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:13:37 +1100, "Helen"
<nospam@nospam.com> Maniacally Screamed the following like a drunken
"Helen" <nospam@nospam.com> into the madness of usenet:

Luckily, testing to rule out epilepsy is simple.  So get it done and
ease your mind one way or the other.  And if he does have epilepsy,
the sooner he starts proper treatment, the safer he will be.

That being said, it's most likely as some of the others have said. The
kid went lower than was actually tested at which caused the seizure
and then rebounded.  His liver released some stored glycogen and
brought his BG up back up.  Unfortunately  the other symptoms you are
describing "getting head aches,tingling and  numbness" are also
symptoms of hypos. Low BGs.  In Oz I do not know what is available to
you as far as BG testing methods go.  But you should at this point
increase the child's BG testing frequency to find out when he is
experiencing these lows.  If you have to take a finger stick reading
once every hour for 3 days straight to get the patterns recorded then
do it.  But there is an alternative.  Minimed has what is called a
Continuous Blood Glucose Monitor System.  CBGMS, that you wear just
like an insulin pump for 3 days at a time.  It takes continuous
readings all day and night for up to 36 hours, then you return to your
doctor and download the readings to his computer and graph them and
you will see exactly how his BG levels are changing and when.  With
this information maybe with 2 or 3 studies like this spread out over a
few months you will be able to fine tune his insulin doses so as to
eliminate these hypos.  And yes you can use these studies to fine tune
insulin injections via syringes just as easily as you can use this to
fine tune someone using an insulin pump.  Of course you will also be
keeping a record of his exact meals, snacks and exercise patterns as
well.

Can you tell us exactly what type of insulin the child takes?  and how
you determine how much insulin he takes per dose?  Is it based on a
set dose every time? or dose it change based on both his premeal BG
reading and his total carbs eaten measured in grams of carbs?

If the doctor has the child taking a set amount of a fast acting
insulin every dose regardless of what the child's current BG and meal
is, you are running the risk of hypos every time.  Fast acting
insulins and set doses do not work.  If that is the type of medical
advice you are getting, you'll need to find a doctor that actually
knows what the hell they are doing.

I also do not see the child's age mentioned.  When the child hits
puberty you will have to pay close attention to changing BG levels.
Pumping makes puberty much easier for type 1s.  

I highly recommend http://www.childrenwithdiabetes.org and
http://www.diabeticmommy.org and http://www.insulin-pumpers.org if you
have not already read them.  There are a lot of parents and doctors
and nurses of type 1 children participating in the insulin-pumpers web
site discussion forums.  And they will help even if your child is not
pumping.

Hi Helen,

Sorry to here about your son's problems. As much as I'd like to offer
an opinion on what the problem is, it would be wrong for me to do so.
There are too many things I don't know about your son's conditions that
only a doctor who is treating him will be able to take into account.  I
do know that headaches are one symptom of a hypo but a headache could
also be a symptom of many other things.  Sounds like you are doing the
absolute best you can by making sure that professional doctors are on
his side and doing tests to determine what the exact cause of the
seizure is and was.

I'm sorry to hear your are going out of your mind, that is a normal
reaction no doubt but try to be as calm as possible especially around
him.  It's tough, I know that from persona experience but until all the
tests come in there is not much you can do.  All I can really do here
is to send out some good thoughts your way...and that's something I
will do right now.

Hang in there and my wishes are that you get some answers and they are
ones who put your mind at rest.

Best,
Kurt

Hi Helen,

As a sufferer of both diabetes and epilepsy, my sympathies are with you and
your son.

I'm no expert on epilepsy mainly because there are so many varieties and
levels of intensity to the condition. I've been diagnosed as having temporal
lobe seizures with no obvious lesions or causes that can be seen with an MRI
or EEG. My neurologist said, "I dunno why you have them."

There are two newsgroups dedicated to the problem:  alt.support.epilepsy
and uk.people.support.epilepsy

I haven't been on either group in awhile. I take Tegretol and I'm mostly
stable. I'm much more involved with my diabetes.

There are a number of surprising situations that will precipitate seizures
including too much television watching, so you might want to do a google
search or ask questions on those two newsgroups.

God bless and best wishes.