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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / December 2006Diabetes, testing, and depression
Someone else wrote, mocking a summary of diabetes testing: > I like this part - >> "Every time you test it's a reaffirmation that you have diabetes," >> McDougall said. "There's not many people other than folks with a >> chronic disease who, every day, have to think about their own >> mortality." My thoughts: This is a remarkably self-selecting newsgroup. Almost everyone (maybe everyone) here has decided to take control of their condition and do the testing they feel necessary. At the same time, the vast majority of people here have only had diabetes for a few months to a few years. I've been at this a quarter century (and am still a young'un compared to lots). I've slipped into what could probably be clinically described as depression a couple times over those 25 years, and a couple times ended up in the hospital as a result of depression making it difficult to do the 4-8 times daily things like testing and taking my shots and eating my food. The one sentence quoted above is a large part of this depression (although testing by no means is the only element that leads to it, there are enough other difficulties in anyone's life). Getting formal help for this depression is far from automatic. In some ways, this newsgroup is for support to prevent/help with this sort of thing, at least as I use it. So, while it's great to come here and see lots of self-motivated people as a way to keep me going, sometimes my personal condition and the statements in this newsgroup interact to make me either angry, sad, etc. It's probably better to get angry at a bunch of self-selecting self-righteous newbies who've never had any real difficulties than it is for me to get depressed, at least :-). Tim. > Someone else wrote, mocking a summary of diabetes testing: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Tim. If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed 2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was foolish. I tried to end my life, at the time life was not worth living and I could not see any hope of it ever getting any better. I had read about a diabetic that did it by over injection insulin. I injected my whole pen of Homolog all at once, it took 5-6 injections. I was saved because my mother heard me, I was shaking all over and knocking things over in my bathroom. I was in the hospital for 5 days then went to another hospital for mental evaluation. Now I have to go to therapy 3 times a week, that is the only time I am allowed out of the house. They put a survalance camera in my room and I am not allowed to keep my own insulin. I can not say if I will ever do it again, my health problems are severe and will be with me forever. Madison Hi Everyone, Want relief from dipression. Depression may be described as feeling sad, blue, unhappy, miserable, or down in the dumps. Most of us feel this way at one time or another for short periods. I read some solution for depression at http://medical-health-care-information.com/encyclopedia/D/Depression.asp It might be beneficial to you. > > Someone else wrote, mocking a summary of diabetes testing: > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Madison > Want relief from dipression. Depression may be described as feeling > sad, blue, unhappy, miserable, or down in the dumps. Most of us feel > this way at one time or another for short periods. Many folks when feeling down in the dumps (but not really into full clinical depression) will not eat for a day or put off some necessary actions for a day. Thing is, for a non-diabetic, not eating for a day or not taking medication for a day probably is not a big deal. For a Type 1, not eating or not taking medication will probably end up putting us into extreme hypo or into DKA possibly in much much less than a day. So it doesn't really take full-blown clinical depression to have major health impacts. Just being tired or sad or having a common cold or flu that makes us tired enough that we don't do all the things we're supposed to do, is enough to upset the delicate balance and send us down a slippery slope where we just don't want to do it anymore. I am certainly not into that mode now, but I have been in that mode a few times in the past 25 years. And that quote from the paper that others were mocking really should not be mocked: the stress of just knowing that I had to test multiple times a day, over and above all the other stresses, really has been the straw that broke the camel's back at least once in the past 25 years. Tim. > If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. Madison, At least once or twice over the past quarter century I've thought about dong what you did, not so much to end it all but instead as a plea for help. Of course it doesn't make much sense as a plea for help (which is part of why I didn't do it) but really it is hard to find help sometimes. One thing that has helped me over the years, and probably prevented me from going into depression/refusal to do it all at least a couple times, is helping others. When I was younger and in college, I happened to be going to the same school that was associated with the hospital that had taught me all I knew and was on good terms with the doctors/nurse-educators who worked with diabetics. They would sometimes call me in when they needed a "good example" to help others deal with their problems. Being a "good example" really did help me keep on top of everything at the time. alt.support.diabetes sometimes serves this purpose, even if people are here making complaints about minor things, it is better to talk about it than to let it all the pressure build up. I hope that we can help you here, and that by helping you and others that we all really do build up some of our own personal resources. Maybe I'm being over-optimistic but it's better than being pessimistic. Tm. : If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed : 2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was : foolish. I tried to end my life, at the time life was not worth living and I : could not see any hope of it ever getting any better. : I had read about a diabetic that did it by over injection insulin. I : injected my whole pen of Homolog all at once, it took 5-6 injections. I was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : that is the only time I am allowed out of the house. They put a survalance : camera in my room and I am not allowed to keep my own insulin. : I can not say if I will ever do it again, my health problems are severe and : will be with me forever. : Madison Madison, I suspected as much when we did not hear from you for such a long time. Glad you are back home and, hopefully , on the mend. Things should look up as your insides heal form the Celiac damage and you can enjoy more foods and things in life without getting sick to your stomach all the time. You are lucky your parents have made it possible for you to have a second chance at growing up and living a full life. Giving time, you may well be very happy to be here in the world and the grief over your health conditions will pass and just become part of you, like hair color or body shape or gender. I have known peope who have tried wh tyou did and lived to have happy, fullfilling lives, adjusting to their limitions. It is not easy, and I dont want to be glip about it, bu tdo hang in there and tings should get better. You are a very special person to all of us in this group and we are all pulling for you. Please keep in touch and let us know how you are doing, and let us be an ear for you. Wendy >If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed >2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Madison Madison I know that it took a huge amount of courage to share these experiences with us. Having gone through a terrible bout of depression myself about the time you were born, I know just how low a person can get when they "know" their whole world is collapsing on top of them. The important thing is that you mom did find you and took positive action to save you life. I don't know if you believe in karma or not, but you may have been saved so you will be around to reach out to someone else and share your experiences in order to save them. You have a large newsgroup family here that has come to love you since you first posted. We want the very best for you and you are in our prayers constantly. Take care and continue to post so we know how you are.  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of November 24, 2006 is 2872. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,137 as of November 04, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of November 24, 2006 it has been 1301 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis >>If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed >>2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Take care and continue to post so we know how you are. If you believe in karma, after suicide the soul will return to the exact evolutionary point that existed at the moment of suicide, at which time the still-existing karmic entanglements must again be faced and resolved. In short, for a Buddhist, suicide would solve nothing. In a time of extreme depression, I attempted suicide twice. I spent a long time in therapy and on Prozac. I finally come to realize that I must face life no matter what it brings. If I had succeeded in my attempts, I would have missed the joys of motherhood and the new life that is unfolding for me. Andrea2 > If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed > 2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was > foolish. I tried to end my life, at the time life was not worth living and I > could not see any hope of it ever getting any better. Reading this saddens me. > I had read about a diabetic that did it by over injection insulin. I > injected my whole pen of Homolog all at once, it took 5-6 injections. I was > saved because my mother heard me, I was shaking all over and knocking things > over in my bathroom. It was not by chance but by GOD that your mom heard you. This means HE has other plans for you than to leave this world just yet. > I was in the hospital for 5 days then went to another > hospital for mental evaluation. Now I have to go to therapy 3 times a week, > that is the only time I am allowed out of the house. They put a survalance > camera in my room and I am not allowed to keep my own insulin. Your parents love you. Others who know you also love you. LORD Jesus Christ knows you and loves you. Least of all, I love you. > I can not say if I will ever do it again, my health problems are severe and > will be with me forever. Actually, your health problems will not be with you forever. This GOD has promised. "Heaven and earth will pass away but MY words will not pass away." -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of of our anxiety, panic, and depression, dear Madison whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed > > 2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was > > foolish. I tried to end my life, at the time life was not worth living and I > > could not see any hope of it ever getting any better. > > Reading this saddens me. Andrew, you of all folks should know that there is a *biological* link between diabetes, Cushings, menopause and peri-menopause, heart disease, and Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, etc., and depression. The depression is *not* always reactive to the illness. You should now that the high output of cortisol makes 90% of Cushngs patients develop clinical depression. You should also know that diabetes and depression go hand in hand because of the blood sugar irregularities; you should also know that women nearing menopause develop hormonal imbalances or sensitivities to such imbalances that are linked to low production serotonin the brain, etc., etc. Depression is *not* always, and hardly ever, rooted in one's spirituality or one's "thinking patterns."Chritians of all denominations develop these disorders at the same rate as non-Christians. By the way, Bipolar illness and depression was identified as far back as the ancients scholars. You are making all diseases spiritual in origin. They are not. > > > If you get depressed and can not shake it, get some help. I was so depressed > > > 2 months ago that I did a foolish thing, at least others think it was [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > menopause and peri-menopause, heart disease, and Fibromyalgia, Chronic > Fatigue, etc., and depression. An association is not a biological link. > The depression is *not* always reactive to the illness. Did not write that it is. > You should now that the high output of cortisol makes 90% of Cushngs > patients develop clinical depression. You should also know that > diabetes and depression go hand in hand because of the blood sugar > irregularities; you should also know that women nearing menopause > develop hormonal imbalances or sensitivities to such imbalances that > are linked to low production serotonin the brain, etc., etc. Madison does not have Cushing's disease. Nor is Madison anywhere near being menopausal. As for blood sugar irregularities, she has been doing an awesome job thanks to the support from the regulars at ASD of regulating her blood glucose. > Depression is *not* always, and hardly ever, rooted in one's > spirituality or one's "thinking patterns."Chritians of all > denominations develop these disorders at the same rate as > non-Christians. Depression is being poor in spirit. "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:3) Amen. > By the way, Bipolar illness and depression was identified as far back > as the ancients scholars. > > You are making all diseases spiritual in origin. Mood disorders are spiritual problems and not physical problems althrough there may be real physical symptoms. > They are not. Truly, they are. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water curing us of anxiety, panic, and depression, dear sister Marie whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin Just as dopamine deficiency is not the cause of Parkinson's disease, serotonin deficiency is not the cause of either depression, anxiety, or panic. Being poor in spirit causes depression, anxiety, and panic. Truth is simple. May GOD continue to keep your heart beating (unless you unwisely choose to curse HIM as did psychologist Sigmund Freud who died in excruciating pain, overwhelming anxiety and teeth-gnashing panic) dear neighbor Kutchie whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > ..........serotonin deficiency....... Now, I know you are not a doctor at all. > > ..........serotonin deficiency....... > > Now, I know you are not a doctor at all. A friend of mine who objected to the latest nutriceutical fad, the one for a serotonin precursor, on the basis that the precursor would not cross the blood-brain barrier, was told that the brain was not the whole story, because "you have to consider the spirit". Apparently this precursor molecule can cross the blood-spirit barrier. Or something. You don't think that there are in fact some out there who, although holding medical degrees, will solemnly tell you similarly silly things? (considering that the GI tract has far more serotonin receptors than the brain, and there's no blood-gut barrier: one must wonder what effect such an influx of serotonin will have on the complex feedback system that is the digestive tract) -- cary > > > ..........serotonin deficiency....... > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > there who, although holding medical degrees, > will solemnly tell you similarly silly things? Not in the UK. Medicine here has to be practised strictly in accordance with evidence based best practice. Anybody making such an assertion would find themselves having to explain their conduct to the GMC, who would certainly bar them from practising in the mental health sector, and would consider striking them off. > (considering that the GI tract has far more serotonin > receptors than the brain, and there's no [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -- cary > Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Just as dopamine deficiency is not the cause of Parkinson's disease, So clearly dosing the Parkinson's patient with dopamine precursors or dopamine agonists capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier will have no effect on their symptoms, no more than a placebo at any rate. And yet these drugs famously do reduce the symptoms of Parkinson's. Why is that, do you suppose? -- cary > So clearly dosing the Parkinson's patient with dopamine precursors > or dopamine agonists capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier > will have no effect on their symptoms, no more than a placebo at > any rate. > And yet these drugs famously do reduce the symptoms of Parkinson's. > Why is that, do you suppose? Well, duh. Antidepressants also help the majority of depressed people. Others benefit from a combinations of medications. They *do* work. Andrew of all people who know that there are multitudes of drugs, food preservatives/hormones, etc., that can wreak havoc on the brain. This is the problem with my fellow Evangelicals--they separate the brain from the rest of the body, and call the brain a "spiritual organ." If there's anything wrong with brain function, be it depression, anxiety disorders, OCD, Parkinson's, dementia, then someone with such disorders has a "spiritual" problem, not a physical problem. Sadly, the people who opposed the development of aspirin for pain relief were Christians. Please do not think that all Christians think like Andrew. > > So clearly dosing the Parkinson's patient with dopamine precursors > > or dopamine agonists capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Please do not think that all Christians think like Andrew. Oh, hey, I no more suspect that all Christians think like Andrew than I suspect that all Quakers are like Richard Nixon. I was raised by Christians, surrounded by Christians, and several of the people I now admire most earned that admiration precisely because of lives guided by Christ's teachings -- the more dificult of Christ's teachings, those demanding self-sacrifice and care for others. I would also guess that the reaction of most of my Christian friends to Andrew's pronouncements would likely be exactly the same as yours. Thanks for the lovely response. -- cary > > > So clearly dosing the Parkinson's patient with dopamine precursors > > > or dopamine agonists capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Thanks for the lovely response. Many thanks, much praise, and all the glory to GOD for compelling you to reveal to sister Marie that she is traveling on the broad meandering way of the worldly instead of the straight narrow way of LORD Jesus Christ. Now she knows why she is suffering from anxiety and panic. Such is the awesome power of intercessory prayers by the brethren of LORD Jesus Christ made to our heavenly Father lifting up those who have been convicted by the Holy Spirit: http://HeartMDPhD.com/Convicts > > > > So clearly dosing the Parkinson's patient with dopamine precursors > > > > or dopamine agonists capable of crossing the blood-brain barrier [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > way of the worldly instead of the straight narrow way of LORD Jesus > Christ. Now she knows why she is suffering from anxiety and panic. And you gather this from her post and/or my response ... how, exactly? -- cary > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > And you gather this from her post and/or my response ... how, exactly? In the Holy Spirit, I know. http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit/discern.asp > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > In the Holy Spirit, I know. Okey-doke, if you're going to indulge in the petty tactic of evasion via disingenuous literal-mindedness, then I'll play along and refine my question: what in my post "...reveal[ed] to sister Marie that she is traveling on the broad meandering way of the worldly instead of the straight narrow way of LORD Jesus"? -- cary > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > will have no effect on their symptoms, no more than a placebo at > any rate. Just a morphine relieving pain does not indicate that the pain was from a morphine deficiency, dopamine precursors ameliorating signs and symptoms of Parkinson's does not indicate that this disease is from dopamine precursor deficiency. Truth is simple. May GOD continue to keep your heart beating (unless you unwisely choose to curse HIM) dear neighbor Cary whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > symptoms of Parkinson's does not indicate that this disease is from > dopamine precursor deficiency. In that case, what's your proposed mechanism for increased levels of serotonin slapping a patch on a "poor spirit"? -- cary >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > In that case, what's your proposed mechanism for increased > levels of serotonin slapping a patch on a "poor spirit"? Just as the stimulation of mu receptors in the brain blocks symptoms arising from an arm being cut off, increasing levels of serotonin stimulating its receptors blocks the symptoms arising from a spirit that is poor. May GOD continue to keep your heart beating (unless you unwisely choose to curse HIM) dear neighbor Cary whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > stimulating its receptors blocks the symptoms arising from a spirit > that is poor. Hey, I bet that not only are you right about that, it also works in the other direction! Clearly, the intense eupohria induced by heroin must be working via the morphine-receptor/spirit channel to bring transcendence to the impoverished soul, and MDMA acts through the dopamine-spirit and serotonin-spirit channels to instruct the shriveled spirit in empathy and nurturing. -- cary > >Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > stimulating its receptors blocks the symptoms arising from a spirit > that is poor. Oh, not at all, you've got it exactly backwards: it's the benefical spiritual effects of serotonin, working via the receptor-spirit interface, that work to enrich the impoverished soul. -- cary > > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > > > Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > symptoms of Parkinson's does not indicate that this disease is from > dopamine precursor deficiency. And so just about anything -- aspirin, isotonic saline, penicillin, coca-cola -- should palliate the symptoms of Parinsoniasm? -- cary a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her first and last name? Ide like to ask all of you that have added to this thread to show the young lady a little respect and have it removed from places like google. sad thing is i dont think you people will. there is a difference between saying you care and actually caring. I feel really bad for the young lady that is going throgh so much and now you have made it so she will never know just how many people in her school can read what she says and has said here. I feel sorry for your patients Andrew.B. Chung. but then again I cant see how you can actually have any. please remove her name from the archives. she has enough on her mind right now. how could you have been so stupid as to not have seen what you could possibly be doing. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com > Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her > first and last name? Actually, I have not posted Madison's personal information over the internet. Please know that your false witness is forgiven. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Tom whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love please at least ask her if she would like you to remove her name from the archives. she is young and going through alot. maybe you didnt post information in this thread but you sure did make it easy for others to find her other threads. Please at least ask her if having her name posted in the archives like this is something that she does not want and hurt her feelings. think back about when you were a kid, how would you feel knowing what you said in the past only under your first name can not be attached because someone poster your full name. Please ask her and have you and your friends remove these posts. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com >> a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her >> first and last name? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > please at least ask her if she would like you to remove her name from the > archives. I don't have the power to remove anyone's name from the archives. > she is young and going through alot. maybe you didnt post information in > this thread but you sure did make it easy for others to find her other > threads. Google makes it easy for folks to find Madison's other threads. > Please at least ask her if having her name posted in the archives like this > is something that she does not want and hurt her feelings. It has been her choice interact with folks here on unmoderated usenet. It is quite possible that the love that has been shown her by people here who have not ever met her in person has kept her from being successful at committing suicide. > think back about when you were a kid, how would you feel knowing what you > said in the past only under your first name can not be attached because > someone poster your full name. In truth, I have not posted her full name but her email name (Madison_Satonos...). Fwiw, this email name is not her real name. > Please ask her and have you and your friends remove these posts. Again, none of us have the power to remove these posts Your continuing to bear false witness has been forgiven. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Tom whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love >> please at least ask her if she would like you to remove her name from the >> archives. > > I don't have the power to remove anyone's name from the archives. yes you do but it would take 5 minutes and that is too much time to help someone feel better. >> Please at least ask her if having her name posted in the archives like >> this >> is something that she does not want and hurt her feelings. > > It has been her choice interact with folks here on unmoderated usenet. so basically what you just said was. its her fault for meeting someone like you, you did think that was her last name. or why not just use Madison? > In truth, I have not posted her full name but her email name > (Madison_Satonos...). in truth you only thought you did or you would have said this in your first reply.. >> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > neighbor Tom whom I love unconditionally. you love no one, the only thing you love is seeing your name in posts. pray for yourself, god knows what is truely in your hear. > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote: > >> please at least ask her if she would like you to remove her name from the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > yes you do but it would take 5 minutes and that is too much time to > help someone feel better. You are confused. You are welcome to demonstrate your ability to remove yourself from the archives over the next 5 minutes. > >> Please at least ask her if having her name posted in the archives like > >> this [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > so basically what you just said was. > its her fault for meeting someone like you No. In truth, she has not met me. She has not seen me. Nor have I seen her. The unconditional love that I have for her sight unseen has been possible via Christ Jesus' love in my heart. "...with GOD, all things are possible." -- LORD Jesus Christ Amen ! Laus Deo ! ! Marana tha ! ! ! > , you did think that was her last > name. I know that Satonos is not her last name. > or why not just use Madison? Using a full name (even if a pseudonym) is respectful. > > In truth, I have not posted her full name but her email name > > (Madison_Satonos...). > > in truth you only thought you did or you would have said > this in your first reply.. Madison now knows that you are untruthful because she has received email from me that has not been addressed to Madison Satonos. > >> May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear > > neighbor Tom whom I love unconditionally. > > you love no one If that were true, wouldn't be able to pray for either you or Madison. > , the only thing you love is seeing your name in posts. You are projecting. > pray for yourself, god knows what is truely in your hear. Indeed HE does. Many thanks and praises to GOD for compelling you to reveal what is in your heart. Laus Deo ! Marana tha ! ! Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love >> In truth, I have not posted her full name but her email name >> (xxxxxxxxxxx). > >in truth you only thought you did or you would have said >this in your first reply.. And, of course, you just repeated his post again. I presume you are also going to remove every post you've made where you've done that? While you're at it, as it is apparently easy for you, you could remove that vile post you made as copulator/cheeseburger some years ago. You know which one. Alan, T2, Australia. >>>In truth, I have not posted her full name but her email name >>>(xxxxxxxxxxx). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Alan, T2, Australia. Headers trimmed for obvious reasons. We've been inviting more kooks to join us, and irritating the piss out of anyone sane. Frankly, I don't think we need this back and forth stuff. The kid came here depressed about her own life. Let's not depress her about everyone else, too. It's done, she's safe, no harm done unless you guys keep pissing at each other over it. Susan > >>>In truth, I have not posted her full name but her email name > >>>(xxxxxxxxxxx). [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > here depressed about her own life. Let's not depress her about everyone > else, too. Madison being involved in the life that is around her should be both therapeutic and preventative. Remember, her suicide attempt occurred while she was not involved as indicated by her absence from usenet. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love others a little bit more, dear Susan whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love >Headers trimmed for obvious reasons. Oops, sorry. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari [Default] On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:18:55 GMT, "Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> Maniacally Screamed the following like a drunken "Gantlet" <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> into the madness of usenet: >please at least ask her if she would like you to remove her name from the >archives. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Please know that your false witness is forgiven. you posted her full name and discussed personal details without her parents permission. I hope they find out and take action against you chung. and look at the groups you cross posted this too? sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.anxiety-panic,alt.atheism,alt.usenet.kooks madison does not post to those groups. your true nature is to cause harm and you just proved it by doing this. chung the child stalker should be jailed. > [Default] On Fri, 01 Dec 2006 01:18:55 GMT, "Gantlet" > <Tom@TomsDiabeticDiary.com> Maniacally Screamed the following like a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>she is young and going through alot. maybe you didnt post >>information in this thread but you sure did make it easy for others >>to find her other threads. >>Please at least ask her if having her name posted in the archives >>like this is something that she does not want and hurt her feelings. >>think back about when you were a kid, how would you feel knowing what >>you said in the past only under your first name can not be attached >>because someone poster your full name. >>Please ask her and have you and your friends remove these posts. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > and look at the groups you cross posted this too? sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,alt.support.anxiety- panic,alt.atheism,alt.usenet.kooks > madison does not post to those groups. > > your true nature is to cause harm and you just proved it by doing > this. > > chung the child stalker should be jailed. I really don't think that Chung sees any harm treating a child on usenet the same way he does an adult. There is something missing in his makeup if he can't see the need to protect children. >I really don't think that Chung sees any harm treating a >child on usenet the same way he does an adult. >There is something missing in his makeup Understatement of the year. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Pompeii, Amalfi, Bari >>I really don't think that Chung sees any harm treating a >>child on usenet the same way he does an adult. > >>There is something missing in his makeup > > Understatement of the year. And hint: it's not his lippy ;) But seriously, all adults have a moral obligation to protect all minors, not just their own. In alt.support.diabetes Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote: : a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her : first and last name? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] : how could you have been so stupid as to not have seen what you could : possibly be doing. : www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com Good, thoughtful post, Tom. Wendy : > Convicted atheist neighbor Kutchie wrote: : > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] : > (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). : > http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > In alt.support.diabetes Gantlet <Tom@tomsdiabeticdiary.com> wrote: > : a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Good, thoughtful post, Tom. Bearing false witness is neither good nor thoughtful. May GOD continue to heal your heart by curing your diabetes, dear neighbor Wendy whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love >Good, thoughtful post, Tom. > >Wendy So thoughtful that he repeated the offending post so that all those sensible people who have Chung killfiled saw it as well. Yeah, right, very thoughtful. Alan, T2, Australia. >a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her >first and last name? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > how could you have been so stupid as to not have seen what you could > possibly be doing. Thanks for posting this. I was wondering the same thing about Chung. I guess it is my fault for responding to one of his posts. Lucky for me that he does not know my real last name. I do not know why he thinks it is Satonos, except my yahoo email address is madison_sato@yahoo.com. The sato part was added to make it unique, after just madison was already taken and sato is the name of family members in Hawaii. Yesterday was my big day, I go to therapy on M-W-F and the doctors on Wednesday. At the doctor yesterday they said I was improving, I am not too excited, it goes in cycles - I get a little better then a little worse. They credit my improvement my strict diet, I have been eating only brown rice, steamed chicken breast and specially prepared carrots. I can drink only water. I take a lot of supplements and get injections and sometimes IV's to correct my electrolytes. In the last year I have lost 20 pounds but it is stable for now. Madison I really don't think Dr. Chung thinks it's your last name, I think he just took it off the properties, and left the spam off. I really don't know how anybody could think it is your last name. :-) -- Cheri Madison wrote in message >Thanks for posting this. I was wondering the same thing about Chung. I guess >it is my fault for responding to one of his posts. Lucky for me that he does >not know my real last name. I do not know why he thinks it is Satonos, >except my yahoo email address is madison_sato@yahoo.com. The sato part was >added to make it unique, after just madison was already taken and sato is >the name of family members in Hawaii. In alt.support.diabetes on Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:29:14 -0800 in Msg.# <_8OdnYgkFcHDGPLYnZ2dnUVZ_uCdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Madison" <madison_satonospam@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks for posting this. I was wondering the same thing about Chung. I guess > it is my fault for responding to one of his posts. Lucky for me that he does [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > correct my electrolytes. In the last year I have lost 20 pounds but it is > stable for now. Hooray for some good news!!! And, somehow I don't find it odd that 'the poster who I shall not name' made an assumption! I have him filtered out & I still at times spend half my time here deleting posts where he shows up in people's replies. SignatureDonna B : ^> shallotpeel <*> Yahoo Messenger: shallotpeel "Every day when you do well, you put a brick in the wall. And on days you don't, you don't tear the whole wall down. You just don't put in a brick for that day." - Dr. Harding > >a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her > >first and last name? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thanks for posting this. I was wondering the same thing about Chung. I guess > it is my fault for responding to one of his posts. Actually, you asked a question about whether attempting to suicide was an unforgiveable sin rather than responding to one of my posts. Here is my most recent reply to you: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.diabetes/msg/65b6e7782fa2ad11? > Lucky for me that he does > not know my real last name. No such thing as luck (Proverbs 16:33). > I do not know why he thinks it is Satonos, > except my yahoo email address is madison_sato@yahoo.com. The sato part was > added to make it unique, after just madison was already taken and sato is > the name of family members in Hawaii. In truth, I know your last name is not Satonos. > Yesterday was my big day, I go to therapy on M-W-F and the doctors on > Wednesday. At the doctor yesterday they said I was improving, I am not too [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > correct my electrolytes. In the last year I have lost 20 pounds but it is > stable for now. Glad to read this. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love others a little bit more, dear sister Madison whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > Thanks for posting this. I was wondering the same thing about Chung. I > guess it is my fault for responding to one of his posts. he would have replied to you anyway. he is a Dr. with way to much free time on his hands. > Lucky for me that he does not know my real last name. Just be thankful he isnt your Dr. but do pray for anyone that might be. > Yesterday was my big day, I go to therapy on M-W-F and the doctors on > >Wednesday. it will be ok. just be honest. > At the doctor yesterday they said I was improving, I am not too excited, > it goes in cycles - I get a little better then a little worse. They credit > my improvement my strict diet, I have been eating only brown rice, steamed > chicken breast and specially prepared carrots. I can drink only water. I > take a lot of supplements and get injections and sometimes IV's to shhh dont say you eat rice here.. for now on we will use code name "lil brown things". :) is that was you mostly eat or only eat? do you mess around with seasoning? > correct my electrolytes. In the last year I have lost 20 pounds but it is > stable for now. > > Madison was the loss of 20lbs a good thing? From your picture it certainly didnt look like you needed to lose anything. best thing to take your mind off things is by talking to people that have similar interests. like music and movies lol i thought i would have more to add to that list. I watch a few movies on pay per view now and then. my wife and i have totally different tastes so we hardly ever go out to the movies. before i became diabetic we would eat out just about every meal. over time everything will become so much easier. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com > Thanks for posting this. I was wondering the same thing about Chung. > I guess it is my fault for responding to one of his posts. Lucky for > me that he does not know my real last name. I do not know why he > thinks it is Satonos, except my yahoo email address is > madison_sato@yahoo.com. The sato part was added to make it unique, > after just madison was already taken and sato is the name of family > members in Hawaii. > > Yesterday was my big day, I go to therapy on M-W-F and the doctors on > Wednesday. At the doctor yesterday they said I was improving, I am > not too excited, it goes in cycles - I get a little better then a > little worse. They credit my improvement my strict diet, I have been > eating only brown rice, steamed chicken breast and specially prepared > carrots. I can drink only water. I take a lot of supplements and get > injections and sometimes IV's to correct my electrolytes. In the last > year I have lost 20 pounds but it is stable for now. > > Madison Good to hear from you Madison and I am glad it's not your true name. It was an absolutely criminal act. Sadly many people have tried to have the doctor's accounts pulled from usenet and it doesn't happen, hopefully this time it will. > Good to hear from you Madison and I am glad it's not your > true name. It was an absolutely criminal act. Sadly many > people have tried to have the doctor's accounts pulled from > usenet and it doesn't happen, hopefully this time it will. You seriously think an ISP will pull his name because someone *mistakenly* thought he'd pinged someone's real name on usenet after having seen it on a public header? Jeez, if only it were that easy to remove offensive posters. There'd be NO ONE LEFT. :-) Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Susan I'm sure one of you would have had me kicked a long time ago if it were possible. LOL Is your last name anon, anon? Do you need to be kicked? I don't think so, you post good jokes. There is one that I especially enjoyed recently. :-) -- Cheri Anon wrote in message ... >I'm sure one of you would have had me kicked a long time ago if it were >possible. LOL > Is your last name anon, anon? Do you need to be kicked? I don't think > so, you post good jokes. There is one that I especially enjoyed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>I'm sure one of you would have had me kicked a long time ago if it were >>possible. LOL Thanks, but I don't think everyone has such a good sense of humor like you. I doubt seriously that he thought satonospam was her last name. My last name isn't gserviceat either. LOL -- Cheri >x-no-archive: yes >You seriously think an ISP will pull his name because someone >*mistakenly* thought he'd pinged someone's real name on usenet after [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Susan > I doubt seriously that he thought satonospam was her last name. My last > name isn't gserviceat either. LOL I was referring to Tom. :-) That's NOT your name??? Susan LOL, close. :-) -- Cheri >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Susan I am now realising that I am not getting all the posts with the switch to Supernews. I posted without knowing. It seemed to me by reading replies that Chung called her Madison Sato, as opposed to just Madison as he always does. So did he call her Satonospam? No, he called her Madison Satono which left the "spam" off. She also said that Sato means something in Hawaiian and that it's not her name. If it's in the properties of her post, I assume that it's not her real name, and that anyone can see it. -- Cheri >I am now realising that I am not getting all the posts with >the switch to Supernews. I posted without knowing. It seemed >to me by reading replies that Chung called her Madison Sato, >as opposed to just Madison as he always does. So did he call >her Satonospam? > No, he called her Madison Satono which left the "spam" off. She also > said that Sato means something in Hawaiian and that it's not her name. > If it's in the properties of her post, I assume that it's not her real > name, and that anyone can see it. Ok, so I gather he presumed it was her name, I can't see any reason for suddenly going from calling her Madison to calling her Madison Satono. Thank goodness it isn't her real name anyway. True, I'm glad it's not her real name either, though I have to say that I never for one second thought it was. At any rate, no harm... thankfully. -- Cheri >> No, he called her Madison Satono which left the "spam" >off. She also [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >calling her Madison Satono. Thank goodness it isn't her real >name anyway. What an odd last name Arewethereyet is...what nationality is that Jan? ;-) -- Cheri >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >as opposed to just Madison as he always does. So did he call >her Satonospam? > What an odd last name Arewethereyet is...what nationality is that Jan? > ;-) The "maccas" bit should give you a clue :) > What an odd last name Arewethereyet is...what nationality is that Jan? > ;-) Sounds Welsh to me. ;-) Priscilla, daring anyone to pronounce vze23t8n >>a Dr. that posts a minors personal information over the internet with her >>first and last name? [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Madison Madison, since you on such a restricted diet and eat a lot of brown rice, you might benefit from making GABA brown rice. It is made from medium grain brown rice that is germinated, before cooking, to activate it. See this site: http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s225249.htm I make it because we like the flavor and texture better than regular brown rice, the health benefits are a plus. I have a rice maker that has a GABA brown rice cycle but it only soaks the rice for 2 hours. I like to soak it for 12-16 hours to develop the best flavor and texture. This can easily be done by placing the rice pot in the oven at 100 degrees. After activation, I give the rice a final rice and cook it in the rice maker. You take care of yourself, I've been down the road to deep depression myself for a much different reason than yours. It took me a long time to recover but I did recover. Andrea2 > Madison, since you on such a restricted diet and eat a lot of brown > rice, you might benefit from making GABA brown rice. It is made from [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Andrea2 It was a new doctor that started me on this diet, he intends to add more different things if I improve enough. At first I could only eat white rice and water, then he changed it to brown rice, then added carrots. The carrots must be peeled sliced and soaked in water for 2 hours before cooking. I get a bad reaction to many things besides gluten. I have been researching GABA rice on the internet, there is some information but not much. At least it gave me something to do. One reference said that the rice could be germinated at room temperature but it takes longer. They didn't say how long that would be. That would be a lot easier, I don't think our oven can be set to 100 degrees. Before I can try it Mom will ask my doctor if it is ok. Madison >> Madison, since you on such a restricted diet and eat a lot of brown >> rice, you might benefit from making GABA brown rice. It is made from [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> I have a rice maker that has a GABA brown rice cycle but it only >> soaks the rice for 2 hours. I like to soak it for 12-16 hours to >> develop the best flavor and texture. This can easily be done by >> placing the rice pot in the oven at 100 degrees. After activation, I >> give the rice a final rice and cook it in the rice maker. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > It was a new doctor that started me on this diet, he intends to add > more different things if I improve enough. At first I could only eat > white rice and water, then he changed it to brown rice, then added > carrots. The carrots must be peeled sliced and soaked in water for 2 > hours before cooking. I get a bad reaction to many things besides > gluten. > > I have been researching GABA rice on the internet, there is some > information but not much. At least it gave me something to do. One > reference said that the rice could be germinated at room temperature > but it takes longer. They didn't say how long that would be. That > would be a lot easier, I don't think our oven can be set to 100 > degrees. Before I can try it Mom will ask my doctor if it is ok. Madison. When you came back from Hawaii this last time I asked you if you had had tummy problems when staying there. Did you? I only ask because child has a celiac-like problem. He lives on rice, freshly cooked meats (never reheated meats) and a few small choices of other foods. When he went to Portugal for a month he ate anything and everything and had not a single episode of violent cramps, bloody diarrhoea, headaches etc. As soon as he came back home he started with the problems again. Agriculture is different in Portugal and things like chickens etc are killed at home, home bred chickens. Just curious. SignatureTom www.TomsDiabeticDiary.com "Madison" <madison_satonospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message > It was a new doctor that started me on this diet, he intends to add more > different things if I improve enough. At first I could only eat white rice > and water, then he changed it to brown rice, then added carrots. The > carrots must be peeled sliced and soaked in water for 2 hours before > cooking. I get a bad reaction to many things besides gluten. im getting ready to steam some carrots for my dogs and remembered this. why do you soak the carrots? right now they are the only veggies i have and i think they have a bit too much sugar for my very inactive dogs. can soaking the carrots help my lil 5lb doggies out? thanks Tom I was told that it breaks down the fiber, and also that dogs can't digest and draw nutrients from raw vegetables. Dunno if it's true or not. I hope your dogs are doing well. -- Cheri Gantlet wrote in message ... >im getting ready to steam some carrots for my dogs and remembered this. >why do you soak the carrots? right now they are the only veggies i have and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Tom >I was told that it breaks down the fiber, and also that dogs can't >digest and draw nutrients from raw vegetables. Dunno if it's true or >not. I hope your dogs are doing well. The Greyhound that we had for several years loved raw carrots. Our beagle and basset kind of turn up their noses at them and decide to go ahead and eat them anyway. I keep a small ziplock bag of baby carrots in the drawer of my end table to munch on in order to stay away from the higher carb snacks. With less than one gram of carbs and all that fiber I figure they are about as close as I can get to a no cal/no carb snack as I can get other then celery sticks. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of November 30, 2006 is 2888. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,137 as of November 04, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 01, 2006 it has been 1308 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis Well, yeah Chuck...nobody is saying that dogs don't like them, it's just that they have no benefit from them, at least that is my understanding. Also, Madison has Celiac, which makes a difference in how she can eat carrots and things. Hope you are well. -- Cheri GrandpaChuck wrote in message ... >The Greyhound that we had for several years loved raw carrots. Our >beagle and basset kind of turn up their noses at them and decide to go [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Grandpa Chuck >Well, yeah Chuck...nobody is saying that dogs don't like them, it's just >that they have no benefit from them, at least that is my understanding. >Also, Madison has Celiac, which makes a difference in how she can eat >carrots and things. Hope you are well. Indeed. Looking forward to a fun weekend with my sweetie. She just got home from work. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of November 30, 2006 is 2888. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,137 as of November 04, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 01, 2006 it has been 1308 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis > Well, yeah Chuck...nobody is saying that dogs don't like them, it's just > that they have no benefit from them, at least that is my understanding. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >>Grandpa Chuck My granddaughter and great-granddaughter has been living with me for over a year since she dumped her husband. She brought her beastly little Pekingese with her. She feeds him Natural Balance ultra premium dog food. According to the label, it is made with "fresh chicken, fresh duck, fresh carrots, fresh potatoes, lamb meal, oatmeal, brown rice, flax seed, pearled barley, grapeseed oil." He eats it down as in about 30 seconds and judging from his frisky nature seems to thrive on it. With this diet, that dog is probably healthier than 90% of the people in the US. Anon >> Well, yeah Chuck...nobody is saying that dogs don't like them, it's just >> that they have no benefit from them, at least that is my understanding. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Anon That sounds so darned good that I am surprised you haven't bought some to try yourself. I have mentioned before that our dogs only eat once a day and then just the amount of IAMs recommended for their ideal weight. If only I get to like dry dog food I could be at my ideal weight and have good numbers in the bargain. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of December 01, 2006 is 2890. United Kingdom = 126 Other = 121. Non-Mortal American casualties 46,137 as of November 04, 2006. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of December 02, 2006 it has been 1309 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, and carrying a cross." --Sinclair Lewis >> Madison, since you on such a restricted diet and eat a lot of brown >> rice, you might benefit from making GABA brown rice. It is made from [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Madison After I read this I realized I had made a mistake, I can also eat steamed chicken breast. Mom gets organic chicken breasts and steams it without the skin in a steamer. I am allowed only a little salt, no pepper or other seasonings. Mom said the reason for peeling and soaking the carrots is to remove as much as possible pesticides and chemicals because I might be sensitive to them. Madison Really? I hadn't heard that before. Learn something new everyday. Take care Madison. -- Cheri Madison wrote in message ... >Mom said the reason for peeling and soaking the carrots is to remove as much >as possible pesticides and chemicals because I might be sensitive to them. > >Madison > >> Madison, since you on such a restricted diet and eat a lot of brown > >> rice, you might benefit from making GABA brown rice. It is made from [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Mom said the reason for peeling and soaking the carrots is to remove as much > as possible pesticides and chemicals because I might be sensitive to them. If you are sensitive to pesticides and fertilizers, it would be wiser for your mom to get organically grown vegetables because no amount of soaking will get rid of such chemicals. May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water so that we can love others a little bit more, dear sister Madison whom I love unconditionally. Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< -- Andrew B. Chung Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies (Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17). http://HeartMDPhD.com/Love > Mom said the reason for peeling and soaking the carrots is to remove as > much as possible pesticides and chemicals because I might be sensitive to > them. Do I detect gardening as a future hobby for you? Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg |
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