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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2003Diet for a person with both diabetes and IBS?
Other than http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/ is there any general or specific dietary advice out there for a person (59yr old female) with both type two diabetes and IBS? Thanks in advance. Stan (South Africa) > Other than xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is there any general or > specific dietary advice out there for a person (59yr old female) with > both type two diabetes and IBS? > Thanks in advance. > Stan (South Africa) ============================================== So...tell me Stan, is this just a sneaky way to spam the group?  SignatureJohn Inzer return e-mail disabled No John, my wife has cancer (breast, liver, bone), IBS and has now developed diabetes... I am really looking for serious advice. > > Other than xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is there any general or > > specific dietary advice out there for a person (59yr old female) with [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ============================================== > So...tell me Stan, is this just a sneaky way to spam the group? > No John, my wife has cancer (breast, liver, bone), IBS and has now > developed diabetes... > I am really looking for serious advice. I have found that eating a low carb diet has helped my IBS and controlled my type 2 diabetes both. I highly recommend it. SignatureEvelyn (To reply to me personally, remove sox) > > > Other than xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is there any general or > > > specific dietary advice out there for a person (59yr old female) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ============================================== > > So...tell me Stan, is this just a sneaky way to spam the group? > No John, my wife has cancer (breast, liver, bone), IBS and has now > developed diabetes... > I am really looking for serious advice. That's quite a combination, Stan. A most serious situation. This is definitely when a good dietician can earn their keep. The therapies for the cancer alone seriously affect what a person can eat, and some foods are banned or restricted, particularly when the liver is involved. About the only thing I can offer is that a friend of mine who has T2 diabetes and IBS, is on a portion controlled, Low fibre diet, and uses insulin to control the blood glucose levels. She is not overweight. So my only thought is that perhaps insulin therapy would be the best solution for managing the diabetes. You really need to discuss all these issues with her doctors. Annette Stan I am so sorry to hear about your wifes illness. This is indeed very serious. I, too, have IBS and Type II and I would love to know the answer to this question. I am low carb, not very low, but lower to be in good control, so there must be more to this, Please stay away from Mu or Chung Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Stan I am so sorry to hear about your wifes illness. This is indeed > very serious. I, too, have IBS and Type II and I would love to know the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Loretta Yes, Stan after this last post for such a serious life threatening health risk, he (Mu or Chung) should be renamed Dr Death. He doesn't care how many people he might kill with his whacko theories. Please ignore him. Annette >Yes, Stan after this last post for such a serious life threatening >health risk, he (Mu or Chung) should be renamed Dr Death. My last post was to introduce Stan to the 2PDiet. Exactly what is it that is so onerous about the 2PDiet that would make you, Annette, lie and spew such hatred? http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp >He doesn't care how many people he might kill with his whacko >theories. Please ignore him. No one has died on the 2PDiet and many who have taken it up, with great success, live normal and healthy lives. Chung, I haven't killed anyone. Have you with the 2PDiet? Annette, I know you mean well but libel, lies and misinformation hurt your credibility one whole hell of a lot more than either mine or Chung's. You come off as miscreant and counterproductive to the charter you so revere of alt.support.diabetes. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. >> Yes, Stan after this last post for such a serious life threatening >> health risk, he (Mu or Chung) should be renamed Dr Death. > > My last post was to introduce Stan to the 2PDiet. Excellent, Mu! Now let's introduce Stan to the easier to follow 2FDiet! See below, Stan. > Exactly what is it that is so onerous about the 2PDiet that would make > you, Annette, lie and spew such hatred? > > http://www.heartmdphd.com/wtloss.asp Probably that she has to carry a scale around. See, that's where the Two Foot Diet comes in. Just substitute "Two Feet" for "Two Pounds" in the above link and you're on you way! >> He doesn't care how many people he might kill with his whacko >> theories. Please ignore him. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Chung, I haven't killed anyone. Have you with the 2PDiet? Nor has the 2FDiet killed anyone. > Annette, I know you mean well but libel, lies and misinformation hurt > your credibility one whole hell of a lot more than either mine or > Chung's. You come off as miscreant and counterproductive to the > charter you so revere of alt.support.diabetes. Whoa... harsh, Mu. Miscreant?... did you borrow Pastorio's Thesaurus? --- Because this discussion concerns the Two Pound Diet (2PD), I am providing the following as a Public Service: I have developed the Two Foot Diet approach (2FD) as a replacement for Dr. Chung's Amazing Logic Defying Two Pound Diet to avoid having to carry a scale around. In 2003, my wife and I watched an IMAX film about climbing the Bavarian Alps and learned that despite their exhausting regimen, the climbers consumed only 10 packages of wieners per week. That's less than 2 feet of wieners per day! Since none of the climbers died from starvation, I think it is safe to assume that 2 feet of food per day should be more than adequate for us non-climbing folks. So I started a little experiment with the agreeable obese friends in my neighborhood. I gave them ordinary 6 inch rulers with instructions to measure the length of everything substantial that passed into their mouths. The only things exempted were water and sugar-free drinks. What I learned was that my obese friends were consuming between 8 to 12 feet of food per day! At the time, I was about 10 lbs. over my ideal body weight so I decided to find out how much I was eating per day... 3 feet. I cut back to less than 2 feet and was at my proper weight in one month. My friends have responded similarly except they have taken longer because of having to lose more weight. Admittedly, some of my obese friends were especially slow to respond. They also happen to be the ones with an unfortunate propensity for accidentally loosing their 6 inch rulers and taking weeks to buy replacements. So here's the deal: measure all the food you eat, using it's longest dimension, and keep the total length to less than two feet per day. That's all there is. No scales, no counting calories or carbohydrates. Heck, if you loose your ruler, you can even use the first joint of your thumb to measure. I am making this diet available as a public service and without compensation. If you have any questions, just see Dr. Chung's helpful FAQ and substitute "Two Feet" for "Two Pounds" everywhere... what could be simpler? Sincerely, God's Other Humble Servant Steve > >> Yes, Stan after this last post for such a serious life threatening > >> health risk, he (Mu or Chung) should be renamed Dr Death. [quoted text clipped - 80 lines] > > Steve While I do admire your efforts to be of service to the community, Steve, I do have one complaint - please don't include quotes from THAT PERSON in your posts. I really, really don't want to see them. It's bad for my blood pressure. I did see the one under his everchanging nick, before I got rid of it, and was incensed that he had the temerity to offer his so called solution for a lady suffering from extensive cancer. I have yet to see his degree in oncology. This was so outrageous I *did* lose my cool. What if she took him seriously? Sillier things have happened. Desperate people will clutch at straws.The man has no concience, IMO. But that's trolls for you - anything to get a "bite". As for the 2 foot diet, I think I'll pass for now........... I thought it was going to be a diet that recommended one only eat something you could pick up with your toes and still put it in your mouth. No hands allowed. :-) With rings on my fingers and bells on my toes....... Annette > >Yes, Stan after this last post for such a serious life threatening > >health risk, he (Mu or Chung) should be renamed Dr Death. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Chung, I haven't killed anyone. Have you with the 2PDiet? No. Perhaps someone is confusing the 2PD approach with the 2 ounce diet, Mu. -- Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD Board-Certified Cardiologist http://www.heartmdphd.com/ only someone who is suicidal would take medical advice from the mu/chung troll >Annette, I know you mean well but libel, lies and misinformation hurt >your credibility one whole hell of a lot more than either mine or >Chung's. You come off as miscreant and counterproductive to the >charter you so revere of alt.support.diabetes. OH Damn, now I have to add another filter.. Sigh..They just keep coming and coming. YUCK As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/154/120 >Please stay away from Mu or Chung Loretta, now I know you are mentally handicapped but libeling is not a smart thing to do. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > No John, my wife has cancer (breast, liver, bone), > IBS and has now developed diabetes... > I am really looking for serious advice. =================================== Ok...sorry for the accusation. When I see a message from new contributor that includes a link to a commercial site I can't help being suspicious. My wife has also had breast cancer and I certainly sympathize with your situation. I hope you find the information you need. SignatureJohn Inzer return e-mail disabled >So...tell me Stan, is this just a sneaky way to spam the group? Is EVERYONE who comes here new automatically a troll? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. > Is EVERYONE who comes here new automatically a troll? =================================== Any time I see a commercial link in a message from an unknown poster I am very suspicious. SignatureJohn Inzer return e-mail disabled >Other than http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/ is there any general or >specific dietary advice out there for a person (59yr old female) with >both type two diabetes and IBS? Try the best one money can't buy and a free cardiologist to email, chat or call. http://www.heartmdphd.com/lowtdm.asp http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap030724.html Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long. A low carb diet with no wheat in it completely cured all my gastrointestinal issues and keeps my blood sugar normal. The symptoms come right back when I reintroduce wheat for any significant amount of time. -- Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? > Other than http://www.helpforibs.com/diet/ is there any general or > specific dietary advice out there for a person (59yr old female) with > both type two diabetes and IBS? > Thanks in advance. > Stan (South Africa) Jenny are you saying that you eliminate all wheat products, like bread, pasta, cereal , Does anyone know a list of wheat foods. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. Loretta, I'm saying that when I have eliminated wheat from my diet (as I have done when I'm low carbing seriously) I am completely free of heartburn and gas. When I add them back into my diet for more than a few days both problems come back with a vengeance. In fact, this is the main thing that keeps me low carbing. After a week of eating bread, even if I keep my blood sugar normalized, I feel so rotten it's a relief to go back to a wheat free low carb regimen. I developed the gastric problems with wheat in my mid 40s. Before that I had no problems eating anything and was the original "Cast iron stomach" kid. -- Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? > Jenny are you saying that you eliminate all wheat products, like bread, > pasta, cereal , Does anyone know a list of wheat foods. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Jenny thanks for the information, I am going to look into it. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Loretta, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I developed the gastric problems with wheat in my mid 40s. Before that I had > no problems eating anything and was the original "Cast iron stomach" kid. When I had IBS and all drug treatment failed I took drastic measures and cut out all dairy, all wheat products, all heavier meats. For a few weeks I ate nothing but fish, occasional small amounts of chicken, low starch veges and non citrus fruits. Within 48 hours I was totally symptom free - after 3 years of hell, pain and extreme bloating (like I was 9 months preggers). Apart from the fruit, that diet is now pretty close to what I eat now to keep bg's in line. > A low carb diet with no wheat in it completely cured all my > gastrointestinal issues and keeps my blood sugar normal. > > The symptoms come right back when I reintroduce wheat for any > significant amount of time. Have you ever been checked to see if you're a Celiac? See: http://www.celiaccenter.org/ and http://www.celiac.com/ Regards, James the Elder James, I did read up about celiac disease, but I don't have a problem with wheat gluten, only wheat flour. I have used wheat gluten in my low carb cooking without problems. -- Jenny Weight: 168.5/137 Diabetes Type II diagnosed 8/1998 Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats * Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work? > > A low carb diet with no wheat in it completely cured all my > > gastrointestinal issues and keeps my blood sugar normal. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > James the Elder |
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