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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2003This just gets more confusing by the day.
Before Breakfast 0700 BG 7.6 [129] Breakfast - 2 x scrambled eggs with a bit of butter and milk + 2 x slices of wholemeal bread as toast one with marmite spread on. Coffee. Activity - nothing much realy - drove 30 miles walked about 1 mile [overall] sat about doing paperwork. filled the car with fuel. 1200 BG 7.8 [134.3] Lunch three slices of wholemeal bread with butter on and two slices [large] of ham with marmite spread on top of both. Coffee + Chocolate Caramel buiscuit bar [cause I wanted to see how high I would go] Activity - sitting here playing this thing. 1400 2hr PP 10.2 [173.4] No surprise there then <VBG> Activity - nothing, just sitting about contemplating the universe. + 3 Mugs of Black Coffee. 1600 4 hr BG 5.0 [85] Meds taken at 1800 just before evening meal [will be late tonight cause of visit to docs] At first glance I thought that during the night I went realy low and had a major liver dump early am. My BG at 2300 last night was 5.2 [88.4] so i had.......3 peanut cookies <yum yum> didn't bother measuring after that and went to bed oh...0015. Breakfast had quite a bit of carb in it but little activity and a slight rise 5 hrs later. now was this another LD? Perhaps eh? Lunch....well I was just a pig and the yummy bar was me just playing a hunch. Nice spike at 1400 but what the hell is going on now?? That is a large drop from 173 < 85 in just two hours and with no activity. In fact no activity all day. So could my Liver be topped up about 1600 ish? soaking all the nasties up? Well I shall not eat until 1800 and if my BG is higher then its a clear case of LD. Now I wonder at what level [BG] my liver kicks in? Must be low cause I have been down to 3.2 [54.4] with no increase before now. But i s'pose that depends on how depleted my liver becomes eh? Tomorrow I change regimes [3 hourly snacks throughout] to see what hapens. [well it stops the boredom] Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to 170 lbs 02/08/03 target 161. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com > Before Breakfast > 0700 BG 7.6 [129] Breakfast - 2 x scrambled eggs with a bit [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > spread on top of both. Coffee + Chocolate Caramel buiscuit > bar [cause I wanted to see how high I would go] Why in the world would you want to see how high you would go? You do realize you are causing damage to your body with experiments like this! At least I hope you do. I'm not saying I don't eat candy, or cookies, or whatever a biscuit bar is. But if I were going to eat something like that (and I wasn't having a hypo at the time), I would cut back on carbs elsewhere in the meal. I might even eliminate all other carbs depending on how many carbs were in the bar. > Activity - sitting here playing this thing. > > 1400 2hr PP 10.2 [173.4] No surprise there then <VBG> And you are grinning about this? > Activity - nothing, just sitting about contemplating the > universe. + 3 Mugs of Black Coffee. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > little activity and a slight rise 5 hrs later. now was this > another LD? Perhaps eh? 88.4 is not really now. Lower than I'd personally want to be if I were going to be active. And probably lower than I'd want to be before bed. But it would not warrant eating peanut cookies unless I were planning to be active. Eating refined carbs like that before bed is just asking for trouble! You are talking about liver dumps. When this happens, you have high BG. I don't see that, except for high numbers from eating too many carbs. > Lunch....well I was just a pig and the yummy bar was me just > playing a hunch. Nice spike at 1400 but what the hell is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > down to 3.2 [54.4] with no increase before now. But i s'pose > that depends on how depleted my liver becomes eh? What's happening is you are eating refined carbs. This is causing a spike followed by a crash. Just one more reason to eat whole foods. As far as the liver kicking in, this is very much an individual thing. And from what I've read, it is often based on time of day more than anytyhing else. > Tomorrow I change regimes [3 hourly snacks throughout] to > see what hapens. [well it stops the boredom] Why do you need the snacks? You are not having hypos.  SignatureType 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ >> Before Breakfast >> 0700 BG 7.6 [129] Breakfast - 2 x scrambled eggs with a bit >> of butter and milk + 2 x slices of wholemeal bread as toast >> one with marmite spread on. Coffee. >> Activity - nothing much realy - drove 30 miles walked about >> 1 mile [overall] sat about doing paperwork. filled the car >> with fuel. >> 1200 BG 7.8 [134.3] Lunch three slices of wholemeal bread >> with butter on and two slices [large] of ham with marmite >> spread on top of both. Coffee + Chocolate Caramel buiscuit >> bar [cause I wanted to see how high I would go] >Why in the world would you want to see how high you would go? I wanted to see what was going on. As it happens [see the result] I was part of the way there. That is half right. >You do >realize you are causing damage to your body with experiments like this! At >least I hope you do. Yes mum....i do <G> seriously it was only a little one. >I'm not saying I don't eat candy, or cookies, or >whatever a biscuit bar is. But if I were going to eat something like that >(and I wasn't having a hypo at the time), I would cut back on carbs >elsewhere in the meal. I might even eliminate all other carbs depending on >how many carbs were in the bar. I needed a quick reaction to see how I coped with it. I was right in that the spike was nowhere near what it should have been. So something helped reduce its severity. Or so I thought earlier. >> Activity - sitting here playing this thing. >> 1400 2hr PP 10.2 [173.4] No surprise there then <VBG> >And you are grinning about this? Read above - light hearted humour implied, like a naughty schoolboy. >> Activity - nothing, just sitting about contemplating the >> universe. + 3 Mugs of Black Coffee. >> 1600 4 hr BG 5.0 [85] >> Meds taken at 1800 just before evening meal [will be late >> tonight cause of visit to docs] >> At first glance I thought that during the night I went realy >> low and had a major liver dump early am. My BG at 2300 last [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> little activity and a slight rise 5 hrs later. now was this >> another LD? Perhaps eh? >88.4 is not really now. Lower than I'd personally want to be if I were >going to be active. And probably lower than I'd want to be before bed. But >it would not warrant eating peanut cookies unless I were planning to be >active. Eating refined carbs like that before bed is just asking for >trouble! >You are talking about liver dumps. Yes > When this happens, you have high BG. After the dump - yes. That was why the cookies - too prevent a reduction in BG overnight triggering a liver dump. It didn't work but not for the reasons I thought. [see below] >Idon't see that, except for high numbers from eating too many carbs. >> Lunch....well I was just a pig and the yummy bar was me just >> playing a hunch. Nice spike at 1400 but what the hell is [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> down to 3.2 [54.4] with no increase before now. But i s'pose >> that depends on how depleted my liver becomes eh? >What's happening is you are eating refined carbs. This is causing a spike >followed by a crash. Just one more reason to eat whole foods. As far as >the liver kicking in, this is very much an individual thing. And from what >I've read, it is often based on time of day more than anytyhing else. Yes and no. The liver only dumps when told to do so. Usualy as a result of a low BG level. Time? Well anytime the BG gets too low. That is the trigger. >> Tomorrow I change regimes [3 hourly snacks throughout] to >> see what hapens. [well it stops the boredom] >Why do you need the snacks? You are not having hypos. The idea was to make my meals smaller and spread the total over the waking day. But that idea has been scrapped. I was taking Glicklazide with Metformin at 1800. The metformin does not last as long as the MR Glicklazide so durring the night the Glick was still causing insulin to be released into my system. however, there was a lack of BG due to the effect of the Metformin. So my auto response is to pump glucose into the bloodstream to counter the excess insulin. Result - high fastin BG in the morning. I have just checked my records and they show that my morning BG are all within a few points of each other irrespective of the BG reading I take before bed time. Obvious now I see it. Duh!!!!! So I am going to take the Glick at lunch times to see what happens then. I may take it at breakfast if no difference is seen. The Doc thinks I may be able to stop taking it but not until we see the result of the changes and the various tests I am going to have later. A sepperate issue is that he seem to think I might have a Thyroid problem. I have inflamed muscles in my thighs. Other than that - he was pleased with my control. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to 170 lbs 02/08/03 target 161. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >Tomorrow I change regimes [3 hourly snacks throughout] to >see what hapens. [well it stops the boredom] > >Pete Hi Pete. You're a masochist mate. I understand the need to experiment scientifically, but deliberately eating to get over 10 is like cutting off your fingertip to see if it bleeds. Well, it did, so no need for a confirming experiment. On the assumption that you still aren't close to control, I don't find your results confusing. You had more carbs than I'd recommend for breakfast, lots more for lunch, and too long between. Then you also had too long a gap without a snack until dinner. Except for the higher FBG and pre lunch readings, I would have had almost the same result if I had done the same. Whatever the cause, if I eat sufficient to go over ten at one hour, I will have a low less than 5 at two hours. Incidentally, I use times 18 for US, you seem to use something lower. Whatever the results of your 3 to 4 hourly snacks day; please persist with it experimentally for sufficient time to see true results. Try to drop carbs completely before the afternoon snack (no toast, muffins, oats, cereal etc). The meds skew it a little, but apart from the FBG you sound very close to me at diagnosis. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Tomorrow I change regimes [3 hourly snacks throughout] to >>see what hapens. [well it stops the boredom] >>Pete >Hi Pete. >You're a masochist mate. <G> >I understand the need to experiment >scientifically, but deliberately eating to get over 10 is like cutting >off your fingertip to see if it bleeds. Well, it did, so no need for a >confirming experiment. I see the point <G> but the point was proven when i later sought the docs opinion. The spike was way less than it ought to be and the following drop over time with no activity on the Metformin down slope indicated excess insulin present before the nosh.......I think that's how he put it. >On the assumption that you still aren't close to control, On the contrary, my control is pretty good but it is my persistent highs [not desperate ones] pre breakfast which concerned me. > don't find >your results confusing. You had more carbs than I'd recommend for >breakfast, lots more for lunch, and too long between. Precisely that was the point - note the BG levels. My reckoning told me they ought to have been way higher. But they were not. Then suddenly a plumet with no exercise and at the mets weakest time of effectiveness. Only one answer. The highs were controled by present insulin and what my system produced to cope. did it rather well which I think proved that I am capable of enough insulin production. The low at 1600 stayed pretty much the same till i next tested at 1830 just before dinner. So no liver dump at that time. >hen you also >had too long a gap without a snack until dinner. No not in the equasion. >Except for the higher FBG and pre lunch readings, I would have had >almost the same result if I had done the same. Whatever the cause, if >I eat sufficient to go over ten at one hour, I will have a low less >than 5 at two hours. Incidentally, I use times 18 for US, you seem to >use something lower. Oh.....I am using 17. Wonder why?? >Whatever the results of your 3 to 4 hourly snacks day; please persist >with it experimentally for sufficient time to see true results. Try to >drop carbs completely before the afternoon snack (no toast, muffins, >oats, cereal etc). >The meds skew it a little, but apart from the FBG you sound very close >to me at diagnosis. >Cheers Alan, T2, Oz >dx May 2002, diet and exercise. We - the doc and I [well I agree - so far] that the problem i have been having is due to the Glicklazide. I am taking it with the Metformin at dinner. The Glick is MR and is persistent long after the Met has peaked. Consequently i am still producing insulin after going to bed even though my BG is in control range. Therefore excess insulin = liver dump = high morning reading. So I eat brekkie on top of the liver dump and its lunch before I manage to sort it out. Having said that, my readings are all still pretty good. Spikes are rare. [Intentional and otherwise.] I am now shifting the Click application to lunch time. If that improves the sittuation great. If not then I will try shifting it to Brekkie. we shall see. But to make matters worse, It now seems i might have a Thyroid irregularity. bummer.......I will have to wait the tests to know more. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >Having >said that, my readings are all still pretty good. Spikes are >rare. [Intentional and otherwise.] I am now shifting the >Click application to lunch time. If that improves the >sittuation great. If not then I will try shifting it to >Brekkie. we shall see. I suspect that the only major difference of opinion here is that what you consider "pretty good" I shudder at. If I see 8 (145) or above it's review time. I aim for under 6.5 (125), preferrably under 6 (110) at one hour, which is my worst time; for me the two hour is always lower, hopefully between 5 (90) and 5.5 (100). I may see 6 at two-hour if the meal had a significant fat component. Would you mind if I sent a menu for a test day direct? Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Having >>said that, my readings are all still pretty good. Spikes are >>rare. [Intentional and otherwise.] I am now shifting the >>Click application to lunch time. If that improves the >>sittuation great. If not then I will try shifting it to >>Brekkie. we shall see. >I suspect that the only major difference of opinion here is that what >you consider "pretty good" I shudder at. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I may see 6 at two-hour if the meal had a significant fat component. >Would you mind if I sent a menu for a test day direct? Not at all. Yourpost set me off on a quest........I have just reviewed all my data from Dx to the first A1c and again for the last period to A1c [All on PC Db etc] There was something nagging away as I read your post and needed to dig it out. I was instructed at the very begining, not to get stressed about individual day readings. Doing so would impart stress. The value is in the overal average for the period. I may have a day or two where my readings are not as I wish them to be and then later, they are damn near perfect! If I knew how to control all the little vagaries, then I'd be worth a million. With this in mind I checked the average highs for three months and the average lows. [There were about half a dozen spikes in excess of 9 but don't forget this is the first three months] The result showed I bounced all over the place from 3.2 to 11.5 but predominantly I was in the 4.9 - 9.0 range. This produced an A1c of 7.5 which is not bad when you consider it was in excess of 22 at Dx and during that period I started D&E and halfway through started meds and changed them twice. The next period was more stable and I got an A1c of 6.4. If you look at the average trend over the period from month to month I spent most of the time below 5.6 but there were highs and lows of course, and the odd spike. According to my Lab I am looking for 5.5 ideal and under 6 [Fasting Values] good. By my assessment of the figures in front of me, i am on track for an A1c of 6 to 6.5. Now I know that this is not the way to do it but it gives me a clue and that provides motivation. So far I am not far off the mark either. When you bear in mind the fluctuations experienced by a normal, I think that provided that my responses in similar circumstances follow, though at higher levels, all is ok. All I need to do is lower the base line to get as close as i can. I am not convinced it is a good idea for me to be quite as obsessive about achieving set levels per day as I might have been earlier on. My main concern for the moment, is to determine th cause of the high fasting levels and to rectify that problem. If i manage that, I will be onto a winner. >Cheers Alan, T2, Oz >dx May 2002, diet and exercise. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >Not at all. Pete, I tried to send this via the previous address, but it was returned. Hope you don't mind me posting it here. Just some additional thoughts for the 3-4 hour attempts. There are more meals, but adjust serve sizes so your daily total comes out correct for your needs. Breakfast. Sevenish. Protein only, no carbs that can be avoided. I'll give some more breakfast thoughts at the bottom of this. Morning tea, 10:30-11. If at home, similar to brekky, but vary it a bit. Still no carbs. If at work, a small hunk of cheese, or a small protein snack that can be surreptitiously eaten without causing employer problems. Late lunch. 13:00 - 14:00 First carbs of the day. Choice of: Sandwich made with full-size filling but only one slice of bread (multigrain if possible.) Vege soup, pumpkin soup or similar. If home made, no potatoes. If bought, not tomato and check the label for carbs. Limit serve to no more than 10g carbs if possible. Dinner. 17:30 - 19:00 Whatever you'd normally have, limit carbs to 30g. Supper. 21:00 - late Dessert time. Single scoop of ice cream, or crackers and cheese, or a two-slice sandwich (compared to lunch which was one slice), or a small bowl of high-fibre breakfast cereal. Testing. Test fasting and one hour after commencing the meal (if possible). Don't bother with the two-hour unless the one-hour is over 7. Some lo- or no- carb breakfast and elevenses choices: One of the following, or two depending on portion size: Grilled tomato. One rasher of bacon, or equivalent ham, steak, chicken etc, grilled and drained on kitchen paper. one egg, in any form. If fried, use spray oil (canola, peanut or olive) lightly. Omelettes can give variety using herbs, a little cheese, tomato, celery, mushrooms etc. Mushrooms, either chopped and fried (light spray oil) with onions and a little flour and water to make a gravy, or large ones filled with napoli sauce or bolognaise sauce and a cheese top, roasted in the oven. Effectively, mushrooms parmagiana. Grilled, poached or pan-fried fish. Garden Salad - careful of the dressing. A small serve of most low-carb left-overs (meat stews, casseroles, roasts, etc) in small portions. Good Luck And also best wishes for your good lady and her father. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>Not at all. >Pete, I tried to send this via the previous address, but it was >returned. Hope you don't mind me posting it here. Errr. No not at all. the address to use is below [see sig]. apparently my server has a problem with the other address due to the sheer volume of spam and virus mail that has originated from the US [1000 + per day] It is definately my activity in here that is responsible. I have alternate addies used elsewhere [like below] and they get nothing. My filters work just great so i don't see much of it only the log file telling me th basic detail but that has not stopped the flow to the account. I am waiting to see if it drops off. Sorry bout that, thought the sig below would have alerted you when I responded to your post. >Just some additional thoughts for the 3-4 hour attempts. >There are more meals, but adjust serve sizes so your daily total comes >out correct for your needs. >Breakfast. Sevenish. >Protein only, no carbs that can be avoided. I'll give some more >breakfast thoughts at the bottom of this. Itry to do this every other day. >Morning tea, 10:30-11. >If at home, similar to brekky, but vary it a bit. Still no carbs. >If at work, a small hunk of cheese, or a small protein snack that can >be surreptitiously eaten without causing employer problems. >Late lunch. 13:00 - 14:00 >First carbs of the day. Choice of: >Sandwich made with full-size filling but only one slice of bread >(multigrain if possible.) >Vege soup, pumpkin soup or similar. If home made, no potatoes. If >bought, >not tomato Why not tomato ? I smell a mistake I have made eeeek. [snip] All following saved. Thanks Al. I am believe it or not, pretty much in line with most of that but there are some differences which i will have a go at. Thanks for the BW for my kin, things are not desperate and the stress level has reduced so a level keel is the norm at the moment. However, following the visit to my doc, with severe pains in my left thigh muscles - the bit under your thigh that you sit on all the time - I have been having a lot of dificulty maintaining my BG with no changes to diet or routine other than changing the time I take the Glick. I was taking it at 1800 with the met at dinner. I now take it at breakfast. I suppose the change has altered things so I hope I see a return to normal at least, in a day or two. Hopefully an improvement. This BTW is an effort to reduce my FBG in the morning. I am now taking 500 mg naproxin for the pain [severe after fifteen mins sitting] - I am now standing lol. On the advice of the doc BTW. Cheers - later Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >>Pete, I tried to send this via the previous address, but it was >>returned. Hope you don't mind me posting it here. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >off. Sorry bout that, thought the sig below would have >alerted you when I responded to your post. Sorry - missed the sig. Just lazy, replied to an earlier message. I think someone else already commented "never rains but it pours". I'm not a gambler, but I think I'd buy a lottery or pools ticket - something's got to go right eventually. Good luck, hope you can read this sitting down by now. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>Pete, I tried to send this via the previous address, but it was >>>returned. Hope you don't mind me posting it here. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Cheers Alan, T2, Oz >dx May 2002, diet and exercise. Much better now......see next post Cheers mate. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com Hi Again Pete. Just a follow-up with an example. Last night's dinner was a small lightly fried mackerel steak, crusted with a spice/flour mix, with coleslaw (sliced cabbage and carrot, dressing of equal parts mayo, vinegar and lite yogurt) and garden salad. Pre dinner 5.5 (100), one-hour 6 (108). After cooking I reserved half the fish steak for breakfast. This morning I crumbled the cooked fish into a single whipped egg. While that started cooking in the frying pan on low heat I grated a little cheese over it. I lightly sprayed the pan with canola oil first. Before starting I had switched the grill/broiler on to warm up. As soon as the base was set, with the top still runny, I put the egg/fish mix (sort of frittata) under the grill until the cheese melted. Total preparation time three minutes; cooking time four to five minutes. Someone else can work out the carbs/protein/fat ratio. FBG was 5.5 (100). I don't think I'm going to have much of a spike in an hour from now. PS; I had a scoop of ice-cream (I spend ages reading labels, this was 9% total fat, 5% sat, 10% carb incl 9% sugar, normal, not lite) at 8 pm and two spoons of muesli with a little milk at bed-time 10pm. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Hi Again Pete. >Just a follow-up with an example. >Last night's dinner was a small lightly fried mackerel steak, crusted >with a spice/flour mix, with coleslaw (sliced cabbage and carrot, >dressing of equal parts mayo, vinegar and lite yogurt) and garden >salad. Pre dinner 5.5 (100), one-hour 6 (108). >After cooking I reserved half the fish steak for breakfast. >This morning I crumbled the cooked fish into a single whipped egg. >While that started cooking in the frying pan on low heat I grated a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >egg/fish mix (sort of frittata) under the grill until the cheese >melted. >Total preparation time three minutes; cooking time four to five >minutes. Someone else can work out the carbs/protein/fat ratio. FBG >was 5.5 (100). I don't think I'm going to have much of a spike in an >hour from now. >PS; I had a scoop of ice-cream (I spend ages reading labels, this was >9% total fat, 5% sat, 10% carb incl 9% sugar, normal, not lite) at 8 >pm and two spoons of muesli with a little milk at bed-time 10pm. >Cheers Alan, T2, Oz >dx May 2002, diet and exercise. now that sounds realy very good to me but I have to ask this, who is doing all the prep and cooking? I get the impression its you. Is that right? If so then I can offer you a job over here ifn' you want it............feeding me <VBG> Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >now that sounds realy very good to me but I have to ask >this, who is doing all the prep and cooking? I get the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Pete Sounds a lot, but when you do it, it's very simple, particularly with eggs. Elsewhere I mentioned that "she-who-must-be-obeyed" has very plain tastes - meat and three veg, no eggs, no fish. Very early in our married life it became clear if I wanted anything fancier, I had to learn to cook it. I'm self taught and I found I enjoyed it. I certainly enjoyed the results which is why I ended up weighing 117 Kg (about 18 1/2 stone). As a diabetic, I've found it very useful. On our trip 'round Europe, after lots of frustration with "continental" breakfasts, I bought a little hot-plate and a frying pan and cooked my own in my room, in everything from Zimmers to the Marriotts. I bought a little jug in the US that let me boil eggs - and also let me make decent coffee. Incidentally, the one-hour this morning was 5.9. Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >One rasher of bacon, or equivalent ham, steak, chicken etc, grilled >and drained on kitchen pape Quick Question.. How much is a Rasher of Bacon? Just a side thought, try baking the bacon.. Comes out great. 4 slices on a broiler pan( pan with rack) at 350 degrees for 15 minutes Turn bacon over and cook for 5 min longer. Thicker bacon or more slices-cook longer than the 5 minutes Okay next put bacon on paper towels to drain or a paper bag.. Take remaining bacon grease from bottom of pan and pour thru a tea strainer into a container.. keep said container in refrigerator and use bacon grease for frying your eggs.. It works for me.. Also I learned this over on Alt.diet.low.carb... Works great. Crispy bacon and it doesnt shrink half as much as it does in a frying pan and Half the cleanup time.. As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/154/120 >>One rasher of bacon, or equivalent ham, steak, chicken etc, grilled >>and drained on kitchen pape [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 >189/154/120 Breast of chicken stuffed with sage and onion wrapped with bacon in the oven for half hour, remove and cover with a honey and mustard mix replace to complete. Yum............. Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >Breast of chicken stuffed with sage and onion wrapped with >bacon in the oven for half hour, remove and cover with a >honey and mustard mix replace to complete. Yum............. > >Pete sounds good.. I do the bacon wrapped scallops and broil them with butter and or sometimes lowcarb barb sauce.. A little not a lot. .You want to taste the scallops.. As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/154/120 >>Breast of chicken stuffed with sage and onion wrapped with >>bacon in the oven for half hour, remove and cover with a >>honey and mustard mix replace to complete. Yum............. >>Pete >sounds good.. I do the bacon wrapped scallops and broil them with butter and or >sometimes lowcarb barb sauce.. A little not a lot. .You want to taste the >scallops.. >As always YMMV and this is JMO >Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 >189/154/120 I hate discussing food cause it always makes me hungry. I feel like a kid with loads of cash in my pocket in a sweet [candy] store and nobody to serve me. Stoppit.............no go on..........:-)) Pete Diagnosed 20/03/03 Type II D&E + Metformin + Gliclazide + Asprin 210lbs at Dx to target 174lbs achieved. To mail: aspen3 at freeuk.com >I hate discussing food cause it always makes me hungry. I >feel like a kid with loads of cash in my pocket in a sweet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Pete LOL .. I know what you mean.. I love the recipes though.. As always YMMV and this is JMO Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 189/154/120 >>One rasher of bacon, or equivalent ham, steak, chicken etc, grilled >>and drained on kitchen pape > >Quick Question.. How much is a Rasher of Bacon? One complete slice, thickness depends on who (or what) sliced it. Roughly 30gm before cooking but can vary a lot. >Just a side thought, try baking the bacon.. Comes out great. >4 slices on a broiler pan( pan with rack) at 350 degrees for 15 minutes >Turn bacon over and cook for 5 min longer. >Thicker bacon or more slices-cook longer than the 5 minutes >Okay next put bacon on paper towels to drain or a paper bag.. I do it myself sometimes, particularly when I'm also having stuffed mushrooms, But Pete has a time problem in the morning and ovens take a while to warm up. Also, unless your slices are much smaller than my "rashers" that's way too much for my breakfast. >Take remaining bacon grease from bottom of pan and pour thru a tea strainer >into a container.. >keep said container in refrigerator and use bacon grease for frying your eggs.. Too much saturated fat for me. I've commented elsewhere on that. >It works for me.. ll. >Also I learned this over on Alt.diet.low.carb... Works great. Crispy bacon and >it doesnt shrink half as much as it does in a frying pan and Half the cleanup >time.. >As always YMMV and this is JMO >Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02 >189/154/120 Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Shudder? What should I do? At half-past noon I was at 308 mg/dL. Tonight, after a late dinner plus two hours, I was 269, (Sorry, I don't know the conversion :-( and 95 at 9 p.m. just two days ago. Guess I'll "shudder-up" and check my diet... <g> SignatureSteve Type II since September 30, 2003 Amaryl, Metformin, & Choke Chain "Diabetes Doesn't Have To Be Scary Stuff" "Bipolars Are Real Swingers!" "Ham Radio Doesn't Oink... (KA4TMB) > >Having > >said that, my readings are all still pretty good. Spikes are [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > -- > Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Shudder? >What should I do? >At half-past noon I was at 308 mg/dL. Tonight, after a late dinner plus two hours, I was 269, >(Sorry, I don't know the conversion :-( and 95 at 9 p.m. just two days ago. >Guess I'll "shudder-up" and check my diet... <g> No mate, horses for courses. We're all at different points on this journey. I was trying to help Pete because we've discussed it a bit and I feel I know where he's at. What I said to him, or about me, obviously appears wrong for you at this early stage. And it's up to him whether he wants to act on it. Also, I've had a few months longer at trying. I sincerely hope your medical advisors can help you too. Listen to them first. I think I, and others, have already suggested you follow Jennifer's testing advice. What have you got to lose by trying it? If you are already, good luck and give things time to settle. Just for info, if my conversions are right.: 308 = 17 mmol 269 = 15 mmol 95 = 5.3 mmol And sorry, but I still shudder at the first two. You will get them down with time. Just a thought, what did you eat before those readings? Cheers Alan, T2, Oz dx May 2002, diet and exercise. -- Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. |
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