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> Old Al
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>>>http://www.newstarget.com/z020865.html
>>>NewsTarget.com printable article
>>>Originally published October 24 2006
>>>Popular diabetes drug useless, even harmful, for diabetics, study suggests
>>>(NewsTarget) A recent study notes the diabetes drug pioglitazone (Actos) .
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>> Jan Drew is a recognized net kook who posts dangerous, self-serving rants
>> in many health-related newsgroups.
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>> Old Al
>That's all true, but if an actual citation is supplied and turns out to
>be true, it doesn't negate the information contained within.
>Susan
You can get a citation about non-effectiveness about
anything which does not do something like cure a major
illness. There are no cures at this time.
The glitazones, of which Rezulin was the first, also help
in reducing insulin resistance. Rezulin did have some bad
effects in some, causing liver problems which I believe
killed one in 50,000 or so. The FDA would not have pulled
it if Avandia and Actos were not on the way to approval;
there are no safe, effective drugs. It seems that the
newer drugs cause death in a far less dramatic manner.
The other quoted material went contrary to Jan's denunciation,
and it is even the case, if one understands what is involved
in research, in pursuing drugs which seem only bad.

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>> Old Al
I see you have met Jan, Al.
>That's all true, but if an actual citation is supplied and turns out to
>be true, it doesn't negate the information contained within.
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>Susan
Newstarget is an exclusively anti-real-medicine publication, and the
only time any real research is reported there it is used to bash
medicine. You will note that the article in question does not give any
reference to the research that is supposed to have uncovered the
dangers of pioglitazone.
If you click on the "diabetes" link in the article you will be taken
to a collection of scare stories, all designed to make medicine look
bad. Apparently, if it can be shown that there are problems with real
medicine and real doctors then this somehow validates quackery and
snake oil.
By the way, according to PubMed, Buse hasn't published anything on
diabetes and pioglitazone since 2005 and none of the 3 papers returned
was a metastudy of 22 trials, so it could just maybe be a lie that is
being spread by Newstarget and Mike Adams. Whoda thunk it?

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Susan - 26 Oct 2006 13:14 GMT
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> was a metastudy of 22 trials, so it could just maybe be a lie that is
> being spread by Newstarget and Mike Adams. Whoda thunk it?
Yes, I saw that newstarget cite provided no journal citation.
I agree that Jan is nutty.
My only point is that when citations are provided by nuts, even, they
may be worth evaluating on their own. We weren't given one this time.
Susan
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>Susan
I have been observing Jan for several years. In that time she has
posted zero links with useful content unless it was done by accident
because she didn't understand the title. Within the last week she was
posting stories about how dreadful it was that children who had been
cured of cancer caught diseases later in life. She would not accept
that a live child was much more likely to become a sick adult than a
dead child would be, but she saw the story only as one about how
cancer treatment caused problems later in life. Do not ever try to
have any sort of discussion with her about ADHD or amalgam.
Newstarget is never a useful reference. If a truth got in there it
would be by accident.

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