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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2006Flu shot's effect on cold
I've had a cold for the past 10 days, and it wasn't TOO horrifically bad, although I did take a couple of days off work when the sofa looked just too enticing. Friday I was scheduled for my flu shot at work, and they said that as long as I wasn't running a fever it was fine to get it. I was rock steady at 98.6F, so I got the shot. The next morning, my cold had gotten MUCH worse -- sore throat back in force, massive amounts of gunk in my sinuses, achy face and neck, powerful sneezes. Oh, yeah, and a very sore arm where I got the shot. I finally gave in and medicated (decongestant and aspirin) myself and started steaming my face in addition to all the fluids I've been forcing through myself for a while now, but I was curious about the sudden increase in strength of symptoms right on the heels of that flu shot. I know it didn't give me the flu, because my symptoms are not flu symptoms. (I'm still showing no fever, too.) Is one of its effects that it kick my immune system in the butt and get it to work harder, thus resulting in my feeling worse? Or have I fallen into the land of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy? I'm just curious. Thanks! Priscilla Sorry but the same thing happened to my wife, she was also told that it was no problem and we both got the shots. On the same day I got bad nausea which took about 24 hours to get over but my wife now has a bad cold with all the symptoms that you are having - we are both on our 70's, all I can say: now what else???? Jim > I've had a cold for the past 10 days, and it wasn't TOO horrifically > bad, although I did take a couple of days off work when the sofa looked [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Priscilla : Sorry but the same thing happened to my wife, she was also told that it was : no problem and we both got the shots. On the same day I got bad nausea : which took about 24 hours to get over but my wife now has a bad cold with : all the symptoms that you are having - we are both on our 70's, all I can : say: now what else???? : Jim : > I've had a cold for the past 10 days, and it wasn't TOO horrifically : > bad, although I did take a couple of days off work when the sofa looked [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] : > : > Priscilla I have had a cough thing for several weeks tht has been graduall going way. I had my flu shot on Friday adn the cough, etc, is continuing to imrove and no sore arm. You may have been very flu-suseptible, judging from your sore arm adn have a reastion on to of the cold symptoms. Just my guess here. Wendy > Sorry but the same thing happened to my wife, she was also told that it was > no problem and we both got the shots. On the same day I got bad nausea > which took about 24 hours to get over but my wife now has a bad cold with > all the symptoms that you are having - we are both on our 70's, all I can > say: now what else???? Yeah, I talked to my brother-in-law (who's a scientist) today, and he confirmed that the flu shot will rev up the immune system for a while and it will go postal over any invader. They warn about not getting the shot if one has a fever, but don't say anything about all the other symptoms of an immune system fighting off invasion! Idjits. I'm feeling a little better today than yesterday, so maybe my immune system is starting to be convinced that stomping on the rhinovirus, stabbing it, setting it on fire, and putting it through a shredder might have taken care of it. Maybe. Really, I don't need several gallons more phegm! Priscilla *snork* Priscilla, I was always told by my doctor not to have a flu shot if I had a cold. Maybe this is the reason why Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Priscilla, I was always told by my doctor not to have a flu shot if I > had a cold. Maybe this is the reason why I'll bet it was. Too bad that advice wasn't more widely offered. Priscilla, feeling pretty miserable still >> Priscilla, I was always told by my doctor not to have a flu shot if I >> had a cold. Maybe this is the reason why > >I'll bet it was. Too bad that advice wasn't more widely offered. > >Priscilla, feeling pretty miserable still How could it be when the vaccine contains only dead virus?  SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of October 22, 2006 is 2792. United Kingdom = 119 Other = 119. Non-Mortal American casualties 44,779. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of October 22, 2006 it has been 1268 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." Chuck, I dont care about dead viruses. I know I no longer take flu shots because I have each time gotten sick from them. Doctor wont give them to me anymore -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Chuck, I dont care about dead viruses. I know I no longer take flu > shots because I have each time gotten sick from them. Doctor wont give [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and > terrorism. Loretta, I went through a period years ago when the flu shot would make me sick. My doctor then had me get a half-dose in the fall and another half-dose in the spring. That seemed to solve the problem. Oddly, we went back to one regular dose in the fall several years later, and I have never had a reaction since that time. Incidentally, I suffered from a continuous round of flu or flu-like illnesses every year until I started to get flu shots, but I have not had the problem since getting flu vaccine. Even the years when the flu shot made me sick (fever, aches) were much better than what I had in previous years. MaryL >Chuck, I dont care about dead viruses. I know I no longer take flu >shots because I have each time gotten sick from them. Doctor wont give >them to me anymore Have you asked him what is in them that makes you sick? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of October 22, 2006 is 2792. United Kingdom = 119 Other = 119. Non-Mortal American casualties 44,779. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of October 22, 2006 it has been 1268 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." Chuck, the eggs -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > I've had a cold for the past 10 days, and it wasn't TOO horrifically > bad, although I did take a couple of days off work when the sofa looked [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > I'm just curious. Your body fights off thousands of germs every day. Your colon is full of germs, and there are germs all over your skin. Plus your mouth is really dirty. The food you eat is also food for the germs in your mouth. The injected flu vaccine is made of dead viruses. So while the body mounts a response, there can't be an infection. So I doubt that the flu vaccine caused you to get sicker. I think it is more likely that either all the activity of getting back to work caused you to get sicker or you got another cold (back to back colds). Jeff > Thanks! > > Priscilla > I've had a cold for the past 10 days, and it wasn't TOO horrifically > bad, although I did take a couple of days off work when the sofa looked [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Priscilla I had a flu shot last week (no reaction), and I was asked first if I had been ill. I just scanned the information that was attached to the form I signed before I received the shot. Here is one item from the list: "People who are moderately or severely ill should usually wait until they recover before getting flu vaccine. If you are ill, talk to your doctor or nurse about whether to reschedule the vaccinatio. People with a *mild illness* [their emphasis] can usually get the vaccine." [[Of course, it seems to me that the first and last sentences are contradictory.]] MaryL > I had a flu shot last week (no reaction), and I was asked first if I had > been ill. I just scanned the information that was attached to the form I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > [[Of course, it seems to me that the first and last sentences are > contradictory.]] Unfortunately our sheet said no allergies to eggs and some other stuff and no "acute febrile illness." I even asked them, and they said it was OK with a cold. Bah humbug. Priscilla sigh....... here they won't give you the flu shot until you are totally OVER all symptoms of your cold so this very thing doesn't happen note for next year :-( kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > I've had a cold for the past 10 days, and it wasn't TOO horrifically > bad, although I did take a couple of days off work when the sofa looked [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Priscilla > sigh....... here they won't give you the flu shot > until you are totally OVER all symptoms of your > cold so this very thing doesn't happen > > note for next year :-( Yeah, no kidding. I'm steaming my face to get my sinuses clear, but I don't think I have a bacterial infection since I have no fever. For a few years there I was having colds turn into infected sinuses with some regularity. It hasn't happened for a while, though. Priscilla >> sigh....... here they won't give you the flu shot >> until you are totally OVER all symptoms of your [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >having colds turn into infected sinuses with some regularity. It hasn't >happened for a while, though. Sympathies! Used to happen to me until I got my BG under control. <crosses fingers> As well as the possibility of the shot hitting your immune system there's also the possibility that you picked up a different virus while at the doctor's. They give them away in the waiting room you know. > >> sigh....... here they won't give you the flu shot > >> until you are totally OVER all symptoms of your [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > while at the doctor's. They give them away in the waiting room you > know. Well, I went in to see my new PCP today, and she confirmed that this is likely a case of infected sinuses. She gave me a prescription for amoxicillin, which I've started. I know it'll take a couple of days to kick in, which is a bummer, because I do feel LOUSY! When the tech had taken my BP, temp, etc., she asked me if I was experiencing any pain. "Everything above my collarbone hurts," I replied. "I think even my hair hurts!" And I'm not (just?) being funny when I say the noises I'm making are scaring my cats. :-( *hack* *crack* *HACK* I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears I am Priscilla.((((((((( Hugs))))))))) and best wishes that you feel better soon. -- Cheri Priscilla Ballou wrote in message ... >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. > >Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears > I am Priscilla.((((((((( Hugs))))))))) and best wishes that you feel > better soon. Ooooh! Thanks for the hug, Cheri. Though maybe I should have waited until after my shower to accept it. ;-) Priscilla >> I am Priscilla.((((((((( Hugs))))))))) and best wishes that you feel >> better soon. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Priscilla Or Cheri could have joined you in the shower and given you the hug there - maybe? (dirty old man grins from ear-to-ear) SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of October 23, 2006 is 2801. United Kingdom = 119 Other = 119. Non-Mortal American casualties 44,779. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of October 24, 2006 it has been 1270 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." LOL -- Cheri GrandpaChuck wrote in message ... >>> I am Priscilla.((((((((( Hugs))))))))) and best wishes that you feel >>> better soon. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >As of October 24, 2006 it has been 1270 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. > >Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears We are:-) I hate the misery of a cold. Get well soon. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Tarascon - Chateau du Roi Rene > >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly > >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I hate the misery of a cold. Get well soon. Thanks, but it's not a cold at this point. It's a raging sinus infection, which is sort of like a cold on steroids. Think Incredible Hulk. Think having one's head full of seawater and practically hearing sloshing when one moves around. Think a stiff sore neck, constant pain in the face, and hacking cough that doesn't want to let you sleep. This morning I got up (off the sofa where it's easier to sleep in a non-totally-horizontal position) after a whole 6 hours uninterrupted sleep (woo-hoo! except I usually function on 8-9). Yesterday evening the infection had advanced into my left tear duct, leaving me with a sore pink watery eye with swelling around the eye itself and gunk obscuring my vision. Right now I feel just a teensy bit better except for the fact that, despite the fact that I'm coughing less, it hurts more because I seem to have pulled some muscles coughing over the past few days. So, now instead of going "hack hack hack *groan*" I go "hack hack *ouch*!" I'm starting to think I'll be lucky to get in to work at *all* this week. I have Friday off to participate in my diocese's annual convention. I'm a non-voting delegate, so I can be a little out of it, but I'm going to need to feel a whole lot better by then. Oh, plus I'm behind in some assignments at work. Poor ickle me. ;-) Priscilla, actually grateful for good medical care >I'm starting to think I'll be lucky to get in to work at *all* this >week. I'm starting to think - no, I do think - you'd be mad to even consider going to work in this condition. If you feel you must - then think of those others who may not appreciate your presence as a modern Typhoid Mary. Stay home, get well, and remember the bucket of water theory of indispensability. And remember that there are people half a world away who care. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Menton Memories > >I'm starting to think I'll be lucky to get in to work at *all* this > >week. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you must - then think of those others who may not appreciate > your presence as a modern Typhoid Mary. Oh, if I feel like this I won't get in. Getting in to work presupposes I'm feeling a LOT better. I doubt very much I'm contagious, though. The cold that started this could have been passed on, but the sinus infection? Unlikely. That's an idiosyncratic response to the effects of a cold. > Stay home, get well, and remember the bucket of water theory > of indispensability. When my brain wakes up I'll know what you're talking about. > And remember that there are people half a world away who > care. You're sweet. Thanks, Alan. Priscilla >> Stay home, get well, and remember the bucket of water theory >> of indispensability. > >When my brain wakes up I'll know what you're talking about. It was explained to me when I was in the RAAF, in the middle of a complex engineering project (civil and military Air Traffic Control radio communications for Townsville)- and "the powers that be" posted me to a totally different job a thousand km away. My boss said "if you think you're indispensable, put your hand in a bucket of water. Leave it there as long as you like. Then take it out and see how long it takes for the ripples to die away and all trace of your previous presence to disappear". Harsh, maybe. But after I left, the project was still completed and everything worked properly - and no planes crashed. Of course, I like to think it would have happened better if I had been there, but that's just ego. Maybe my departure was the reason it succeeded:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Menton Memories >> >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly >> >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. >> > >> >Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears >> We are:-) >> >> I hate the misery of a cold. Get well soon. > Thanks, but it's not a cold at this point. It's a raging sinus > infection, which is sort of like a cold on steroids. Think Incredible > Hulk. Think having one's head full of seawater and practically hearing > sloshing when one moves around. Think a stiff sore neck, constant pain > in the face, and hacking cough that doesn't want to let you sleep. > This morning I got up (off the sofa where it's easier to sleep in a > non-totally-horizontal position) after a whole 6 hours uninterrupted [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > few days. So, now instead of going "hack hack hack *groan*" I go "hack > hack *ouch*!" > I'm starting to think I'll be lucky to get in to work at *all* this > week. Dear me, what an attitude! You're ill and you need to recover properly. I assume your employer is aware that they employed a human being with all the consequent frailties? Sounds to me that *they*'ll be lucky if you're fully enough recovered to risk exposure to their germs and harassment for another two weeks! While you're recovering the problems of your absence are *their* problems, not yours. > I have Friday off to participate in my diocese's annual > convention. I'm a non-voting delegate, so I can be a little out of it, > but I'm going to need to feel a whole lot better by then. It's an important part of recovery to be able to treat yourself to outings and activities that you will enjoy :-) > Oh, plus I'm > behind in some assignments at work. My heart bleeds for your employers. Isn't there some sort of humorous "Hope you're managing without me!" card you could send to cheer them up? Ehugs, SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] > > I'm starting to think I'll be lucky to get in to work at *all* this > > week. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > germs and harassment for another two weeks! While you're recovering > the problems of your absence are *their* problems, not yours. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. My therapist would have reminded me, too, except that I had to cancel *that* appointment because I'm sick! > > I have Friday off to participate in my diocese's annual > > convention. I'm a non-voting delegate, so I can be a little out of it, > > but I'm going to need to feel a whole lot better by then. > > It's an important part of recovery to be able to treat yourself to > outings and activities that you will enjoy :-) The problem is, I'm not convinced that convention will be something that I enjoy. It depends. It is, however, something that I am rather interested in, and anything that can wake my mind out of its oatmeal bath will be welcome. Well, almost anything. Priscilla, almost due for her next session with her novel (aka nap) Priscilla, dahling I was inundated at work yesterday with sick people so I didn't check asd. I'm sorry, you poor baby!! {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Priscilla}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Big Barbara hugs and some cyber Jewish penicillin are on their way to you. I *HATE* sinus infections, they can really lay you low. Here's hoping that you are feeling much better today. Can you get some sunshine on your face today? This nursie is convinced of the healing powers of fresh air and sunshine in addition to chicken soup. May you be rapidly better. And remember this long time pediatric nurse's advice: You can't get over your illness until you give it to someone else (hee hee hee!!!) so go snorkle, cough, sneeze and shake some hands someplace where you don't care for the people :-) Barbara the silly > > >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly > > >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Priscilla, actually grateful for good medical care Priscilla, I understand that sinus infections are very very painful. Did you or will you have them drained. big hug for a quick recovery. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. > Priscilla, I understand that sinus infections are very very painful. > Did you or will you have them drained. They seem to be emptying now that the bacteria are being bomped on the head by the antibiotic. > big hug for a quick recovery. Thanks, Loretta! Priscilla > Priscilla, dahling > I was inundated at work yesterday with sick people so I didn't check > asd. I'm sorry, you poor baby!! > {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Priscilla}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Big > Barbara hugs and some cyber Jewish penicillin are on their way to you. Oh, that felt nice! :-) I actually made chicken soup on Saturday. Pretty dull chicken soup, because I ran out of energy when it came time to chop vegies to put in the stock. I also need to know what ingredient I need to put in so it's Episcopalian penicillin. Maybe if I serve it with a silver spoon? ;-) > I *HATE* sinus infections, they can really lay you low. Here's hoping > that you are feeling much better today. I've definitely turned the corner. No more sore throat, and the neck glands and sinuses hurt only occasionally. My hair doesn't hurt at all anymore! Unfortunately I've got a new pain -- at some point when I was coughing out of control I must have pulled a muscle because now when I cough (much more occasionally than before) it hurts like heck all through my back. At first I thought I might have separated a couple of ribs. When the improvements started I thought, "Oh, goodie! This will be over soon!" Ha! As if. I may need to write off the rest of the week. > Can you get some sunshine on > your face today? This nursie is convinced of the healing powers of > fresh air and sunshine in addition to chicken soup. I opened some windows a bit. I like to bundle up with fresh air coming in. The cats like it, too. They're started to come around again. For a few days there they were pretty standoffish. I think I scared them with the hacking honking sounds I was making, plus I think they could smell the infection. (Don't laugh!) Francis, my baby, who greets me by sniffing my mouth spent a lot of time sniffing around my nose, gathering data. Then no cuddles from him. :-( But today he was making nicey-nice again. > May you be rapidly better. And remember this long time pediatric > nurse's advice: You can't get over your illness until you give it to > someone else (hee hee hee!!!) so go snorkle, cough, sneeze and shake > some hands someplace where you don't care for the people :-) I'm not sure I can do that with a bacterial infection inside the sinuses. What I would have to do to pass it on would be too gross for me to discuss here! And I just want this dead. Not gone, just dead. > Barbara the silly Thanks, Barbara the silly! Priscilla, aka Aunt Scilly >> >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly >> >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Priscilla, actually grateful for good medical care I really feel for you. I get one of those about three to four times a year. My doctor has told me to stop with decongestants and use nasal spray, an NSAID for the inflammation and keep a steam vaporizer going all the time. At least when there is no sign of bacterial infection. He and I don't believe in using antibiotics when not needed. If I have a cough from the PND I use a cough syrup recommended by my pharmacist for a diabetic like me he doesn't want alcohol in it. I sent a prayer your way that She will give you quick relief. Take care and be well. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Americans killed in Iraq as of October 23, 2006 is 2801. United Kingdom = 119 Other = 119. Non-Mortal American casualties 44,779. Over 100 Iraqi civilians are killed every day. Most by so-called insurgents. As of October 24, 2006 it has been 1270 days since Bush declared, "Mission Accomplished." im not sure but i do believe this year was the first time i ever got a flu shot. since then i have had a stuffy nose. not sure if its related. Tom : > >> sigh....... here they won't give you the flu shot : > >> until you are totally OVER all symptoms of your [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] : > while at the doctor's. They give them away in the waiting room you : > know. : Well, I went in to see my new PCP today, and she confirmed that this is : likely a case of infected sinuses. She gave me a prescription for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : "Everything above my collarbone hurts," I replied. "I think even my : hair hurts!" : And I'm not (just?) being funny when I say the noises I'm making are : scaring my cats. :-( *hack* *crack* *HACK* : I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly : appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. : Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears Oh, poor, poor Priscilla. this is awful! I do feel sorry for you. I was lucky, I kust kept n cauching and blowing less and less until now, some weeks later, it has practically stopped. thee is hpe fo rou yet. Wendy > : I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly > : appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lucky, I kust kept n cauching and blowing less and less until now, some > weeks later, it has practically stopped. thee is hpe fo rou yet. Oh, that felt so good! Thank you, Wendy. :-) I felt so elated once the antibiotics started kicking in and I stopped getting worse. The trouble is, I'm getting better very slowly. I'm still sick. I have about enough energy to heat up a mug of soup, then it's time for a nap again. And, while I'm not constantly hacking, that's still an issue, as is the contents of my sinuses (sini?). In a moment of madness I'd thought I'd get back to work tomorrow. Now I'm thinking this whole week may be a write off. But I don't have enough mental energy to think about that much. I think I'll go take another nap. Priscilla > Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears POOOOOOOOR Priscilla! You can have a major dose of sympathy from me! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.5/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg > > Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears > > POOOOOOOOR Priscilla! You can have a major dose of sympathy from me! Wow, that felt good! I just emailed work to say I needed one more day. I need to get some fluff back into my fur. Priscilla >> >> sigh....... here they won't give you the flu shot >> >> until you are totally OVER all symptoms of your [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >"Everything above my collarbone hurts," I replied. "I think even my >hair hurts!" My teeth are jumping at the moment, Istrongly suspect I'm getting the same thing. Mother got the amoxicillin and more damn steroids as it's gotten down into her lungs, I predict I'll get the same antibiotic on monday. There's been a lot of it about this early in the season though it sound like yours is particularly bad {{{armslength hugs}}} >And I'm not (just?) being funny when I say the noises I'm making are >scaring my cats. :-( *hack* *crack* *HACK* They're terrified at the potential size of the hairball which they expect to emerge >I hope people are feeling sorry for me. It would be terribly >appropriate and, oh, so appreciated. Well that's what we're here for surely? Although I just bet you haven't had a giant boil burst out of your groin yet like I just did (choruses of "That was nothing!" and "You were lucky!") >Priscilla, poor miserable sick bunny with droopy ears <hunts for casserole> |
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