Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / October 2006
RIFE THERAPY
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franna - 21 Oct 2006 21:36 GMT I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated.
Thanks
sharppointy1 - 22 Oct 2006 02:18 GMT I just Googled it. Looks like a great way to lose money. My opinion? Rife therapy = snake oil. It's a bunch of hoo ha designed to bilk money out of unsuspecting people eager to get rid of what ever medical problem is plaguing them.
> I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal > experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. > > Thanks franna - 22 Oct 2006 16:17 GMT >I just Googled it. Looks like a great way to lose money. >My opinion? Rife therapy = snake oil. It's a bunch of hoo ha designed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Thanks thanks for your opinion. What i'm looking for is more first hand experience. There are many truths out there and I have an open mind. Conventional medical science unfortunately is also not innocent when it comes to 'snake oil'. One must keep an open mind whether dealing with conventional medicine or alternative medicine.
guy - 22 Oct 2006 16:47 GMT >>I just Googled it. Looks like a great way to lose money. >>My opinion? Rife therapy = snake oil. It's a bunch of hoo ha designed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >must keep an open mind whether dealing with conventional medicine or >alternative medicine. I think we should send all medical frauds or medical extortionist's to jail. They are committing a crime much worse than a stupid kid that grabs a car.
The FDA needs to look at this spam and this device.
I worked in the 1950's with a fellow touting magic cure devices with star war jargon. Later I heard he had to be committed.
Robert Miles - 22 Oct 2006 16:53 GMT > >I just Googled it. Looks like a great way to lose money. > >My opinion? Rife therapy = snake oil. It's a bunch of hoo ha designed [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > must keep an open mind whether dealing with conventional medicine or > alternative medicine. What makes you think anyone will admit trying it?
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Cheri - 22 Oct 2006 17:06 GMT One must keep an "open wallet" when dealing with most of them. I choose not to.
-- Cheri
franna via MedKB.com wrote in message <682676923d39d@uwe>...
>science unfortunately is also not innocent when it comes to 'snake oil'. One >must keep an open mind whether dealing with conventional medicine or >alternative medicine. Alan S - 22 Oct 2006 02:59 GMT >I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. > >Thanks The polite answer is that it's a total waste of money. Worse than that, if you put your faith in this sort of nonsense at the expense of seeing qualified medical practitioners and making appropriate lifestyle adjustments to better manage your type 2 - then these quack treatments are positively dangerous.
Start by doing a search on "rife" on www.quackwatch.com , but also do just a little more searching on the web. Several lawsuits appear to be happening for "Rife" practitioners.
That comment applies to any of the quack cures out there.
Ultrasound curing diabetes and cancer? If you believe that, please contact me directly for some great ideas I have about investing YOUR money in MY retirement plan.
Seriously, for your diabetes, try investing some effort in this plan instead: http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Tarascon - Chateau du Roi Rene
franna - 22 Oct 2006 16:27 GMT >>I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >>experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ >latest: Tarascon - Chateau du Roi Rene Thanks for taking the effort to reply in so much detail. As per my previous posting I'm looking for 1st hand experience. I also believe in keeping an open mind. "Science" is often abused to keep certain scientific paradigms in place for the sole benefit of the dignity of the 'scientific community". I'm definately not against allopathy or conventional medicine nor am I against alternative medicine. In the end it is about keeping an open mind, investigating the facts and the 'facts' and forming an informed opinion. Unfortunately the internet is also not that reliable when it comes to the facts....even quackwatch is extremely biased.
Hopefully someone with 1st hand experience will respond.
Regards
Peter Bowditch - 22 Oct 2006 22:37 GMT >>>I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >>>experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Regards People with first-hand experience of Rife machine treatment tend to be dead, so getting a reply might be a problem.
It is fraud. It is as simple as that. Look outside your window and see if the sky is blue. If it is, then Rife was wrong about the way the universe works.
I notice that you talk about open minds and allopathy. An open mind is a good thing provided that it is not so open that your brain falls out. And the Rife machine is definitely allopathy, according to the person who invented the word. So, if you want to avoid allopathic treatments, stay away from the Rife fraud.
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Alan S - 22 Oct 2006 22:55 GMT >Thanks for taking the effort to reply in so much detail. As per my previous >posting I'm looking for 1st hand experience. I also believe in keeping an [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Regards There is a marked difference between an open mind and a vacant one.
You're looking for 1st hand experience of a quack cure. Has it occurred to you that you will get a similar response if you request 1st hand experience of base-diving without a parachute, or overdosing on arsenic?
Did you not read the link that Peter provided?
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832)
franna - 23 Oct 2006 05:38 GMT I'm afraid I differ completely with regards to your differentiation between a vacant mind and an open mind. Many people can testify about being victims of conventional medicine - Thalodimide, lobotomies,Vioxx etc. But if you consider yourself to have an open mind - that's fine with me.
Just read package insert of the medication you use to see how dangerous conventional medicine is - at least as dangerous as some alternative medicines. And yet - I fully support conventional medicine with an open mind towards any other possible treatment/remedy/cure.
Regards
>>Thanks for taking the effort to reply in so much detail. As per my previous >>posting I'm looking for 1st hand experience. I also believe in keeping an [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >There is nothing worse than aggressive stupidity. > Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749 - 1832) Alan S - 23 Oct 2006 06:47 GMT >I'm afraid I differ completely with regards to your differentiation between a >vacant mind and an open mind. Many people can testify about being victims of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Regards You asked about a form of quack medicine that is so patently ludicrous that it hardly bears intelligent discussion.
Now you want to argue the point over clarity of thought?
You didn't come here for opinions, you came for confirmations, now you're piqued that you didn't get them.
The fact that conventional medicine has made some horrendous mistakes in the past - and no doubt will continue to do so in the future - in no way legitimizes all "alternative medicines". Nor does the non-mainstream nature of "alternative medicine" make it automatically bad or dangerous. We each must use our intelligence and the filter of our own common sense to make decisions on validity.
If you read here for a while you will find that many of us, including myself, are not enamoured of some of the traditional medical authorities when it comes to the dietary recommendations for type 2 diabetes treatment. But that doesn't mean that we consult shamans or that we don't see our doctors. You will also find many of us are reluctant to use medication until diet and lifestyle alternatives have failed, but in that event the medications are re-considered and the risks of their consequent dangers are weighed against the dangers of non-use; thus I ended up using metformin.
I, like you, am entitled to form my own opinions. In my opinion any person who could seriously consider Rife therapy to be anything other than quackery should seek psychiatric care.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. -- http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ latest: Tarascon - Chateau du Roi Rene
franna - 23 Oct 2006 13:33 GMT Hi Allan
I respect your opinion. What I do not respect is the fact that you think that people that differ from you are lunatics and need psychiatric help. Perhaps you too must learn to respect other opinions - even those opinions that are " ridiculous". There are many truths out there...
>>I'm afraid I differ completely with regards to your differentiation between a >>vacant mind and an open mind. Many people can testify about being victims of [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ >latest: Tarascon - Chateau du Roi Rene Peter Bowditch - 23 Oct 2006 14:08 GMT >Hi Allan > >I respect your opinion. What I do not respect is the fact that you think that >people that differ from you are lunatics and need psychiatric help. Perhaps >you too must learn to respect other opinions - even those opinions that are " >ridiculous". There are many truths out there... And the Rife nonsense is not one of them.
>>>I'm afraid I differ completely with regards to your differentiation between a >>>vacant mind and an open mind. Many people can testify about being victims of [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>http://loraltravel.blogspot.com/ >>latest: Tarascon - Chateau du Roi Rene  Signature Peter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Donna B - 23 Oct 2006 18:40 GMT In alt.support.diabetes on Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:33:19 GMT in Msg.#
> I respect your opinion. What I do not respect is the fact that you think that > people that differ from you are lunatics and need psychiatric help. Perhaps > you too must learn to respect other opinions - even those opinions that are " > ridiculous". There are many truths out there... It's not based on differing from you, or disagreeing with you!
But, really, this is going in a circle, so, I've been waiting to see this come up & it has not. What about diet? Exercise? Diet plays a huge place in healthy control for T2 diabetics. Exercise plays just as essential, if somewhat smaller, place. Surely you don't lump Diet & Exercise, vitamins, minerals, supplements, etc. to be a part of 'Western medicine', do you?
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Peter Bowditch - 22 Oct 2006 12:59 GMT >I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. > >Thanks It's one of the more ridiculous forms of quackery. Running away from it will provide exercise.
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Peter Bowditch - 22 Oct 2006 12:59 GMT >>I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >>experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >It's one of the more ridiculous forms of quackery. Running away from >it will provide exercise. I forgot -
http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/rifeslammer.htm
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bj - 22 Oct 2006 15:50 GMT >>I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >>experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's one of the more ridiculous forms of quackery. Running away from > it will provide exercise. And the laughter that's also an appropriate response is good for stress relief -- & good for your bg! bj
oldal4865 - 23 Oct 2006 20:19 GMT >I'm type 2 and I'm considering Rife Therapy. Any advise or personal >experience with Rife Therapy will be appreciated. > >Thanks Diabetes is a genetic disease which manifests itself in the death of beta cells in the pancreas.
From the Rife Site:
http://www.rifeenergymedicine.com/
". . .We will present articles that describe and explain the basic principles of "vibrational medicine" based on Dr. Royal Rife's work and our ultra-sound technology. This is applicable to all microbial-based illnesses, i.e. bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, protozoa, and other pathogens. . . "
Diabetes has nothing to do with bacteria, viruses, fungi, parasites, protozoa, and other pathogens. If you wish to be cured, you must grow another pancreas.
Therefore, according to the Rife site, Rife therapy is useless.
Regards Old Al
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