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guy - 06 Oct 2006 00:41 GMT
I had a conversation with a policeman's wife today.

She said they do have training in most common
problems like diabetic hypos.   She did day that
her husband has stopped the improper treatment
of several a hypo persons.   In some cases they are irrational
and combative.

If you have a wreck, you may die because you are not recognized
as a diabetic.

There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the highways.
Just like the seat belt laws.

Selfish people expect others to make up for their faults.

I do not have good practices but I do fasten my seat
belt.

Such ID should be very obvious.

The commercial item are sold for a fast easy buck.

The item should come from a government agency
and be standardized.,  Misuse of it should have
a severe penalty.  Where ieee the ADA at on this.

Most are not interested unless there is an easy buck
LIke most sickness today..
                                                     Guy
Alexander Arnakis - 06 Oct 2006 01:05 GMT
>There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the highways.
>Just like the seat belt laws.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>The item should come from a government agency
>and be standardized.

Here we go again -- the "nanny state."

This is a privacy issue. There are many people who for a variety of
reasons -- job discrimination being one of them -- do not want it to
be put on official record that they are diabetic. Especially not an
open official record like the one you are talking about.

I think we have to trust people to carry their own form of diabetic
identification, and to refrain from driving if they are impaired.
guy - 06 Oct 2006 02:02 GMT
>>There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the highways.
>>Just like the seat belt laws.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>I think we have to trust people to carry their own form of diabetic
>identification, and to refrain from driving if they are impaired.

Privacy demands are touted by those that have something to hide.

diabetes is an unfortunate event.  BUT we have no right to
hide to steal from others.. The  higher insurance
fees that others have to pay.

People are kill every year by hidden diabetics, When I flew I
became aware of several that would not passed the medical.

One fellow had very thick glasses.   One day he flew into a very high
tension line that had markers.  He regularly took passengers on trips.
I was told he was diabetic and almost blind.

I quit driving years ago when I had minor events.  I could see this
causing a  head on collision.   I had dropped flying long before that.
It was a hell of a situation for me. I survive.

I am a bit tired of this rights thing,  It grossly abused.. You must
live in utopia where will act properly.  One of the most harmful
thing for diabetic is th e demanding person that use diabetes  as a
weapon to demand  their self imagined rights, Any sensible
employer will manage   to not hire demanding problem kids.
I
So all get excluded.

Any carried marker put in a location where the proper personnel
will look  is the proper way. The idiots will scream   Sign of the
times.


sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 02:42 GMT
> People are kill every year by hidden diabetics, When I flew I
> became aware of several that would not passed the medical.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> I am a bit tired of this rights thing,  It grossly abused.

You're doing a pretty good job of grossly abusing the English language,
and in addition I think your (pardon me, you're) idea of compelling
people to carry a specific kind of diabetic ID is both unlikely to
happen and inadvisable.
guy - 06 Oct 2006 03:24 GMT
>> People are kill every year by hidden diabetics, When I flew I
>> became aware of several that would not passed the medical.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>people to carry a specific kind of diabetic ID is both unlikely to
>happen and inadvisable.

you seem to know a lot. You are so great.  This
country was built be poor people that worked very hard.

Beyond that they had morals and they could be depended
on t be honest. Thieves and liars were a subculture.   It
has changed n my lifetime.

Rights has become the tools of the chislers.

Maybe some diabetic will kill someone close to you.

Or fly a plane you have chartered into a hill side.

Grow up and get a real education as to your place in this world.

It is not a plum to be picked.

If we do not generate a fair society    Someone may
be tattooing our arms.
guy - 06 Oct 2006 03:54 GMT
The plain truth is our civil rights are trampled on every day.

The data gathered cannot be used in court.   But
it can be used to gather other data that is very
legal.

Rights are so much show and fluff. They
are misused constantly by opportunists..

And some agencies.
sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 13:43 GMT
> Grow up

Well, I AM 71 years old.

> and get a real education

and I have a Ph.D. in chemistry and a law degree.

> as to your place in this world.

and I DID manage to make a good living for my family by working 38
years as a chemical patent attorney, before retiring.

> It is not a plum to be picked.

What isn't? The world? My place?

Say something sensible for once.
Cheri - 06 Oct 2006 03:14 GMT
Absolutely untrue. The right to privacy is a basic right, and I have
nothing to hide. I'm a very boring person, but I have the right to be a
"private" boring person.

--
Cheri

guy wrote in message\

<4525a131.15602734@news.consolidated.net>...
>Privacy demands are touted by those that have something to hide.
Will, T2 - 06 Oct 2006 03:15 GMT
>Absolutely untrue. The right to privacy is a basic right, and I have
>nothing to hide. I'm a very boring person, but I have the right to be a
>"private" boring person.

Hi Cheri,

I like private boring people... They are the ones who transmit the
flame....

Will, T2
Chris Malcolm - 06 Oct 2006 10:18 GMT
> Privacy demands are touted by those that have something to hide.

I *strongly* disagree with this. Democracy is not an ideal regime. As
Winston Churchill observed, it's a terrible system, it just happens to
be better than any of the alternatives. The problem is the huge
temptations to abuse power for people in positions of authority. In
even the most perfect government of the most perfect state there will
be some people abusing their positions for reasons of personal gain or
agendas. And there will be conspirators. And there will be
high-functioning madmen. Etc..

The state has a natural tendency to want to remove troublesome
opposition and embarrassing questioners. For the safety of democracy
these people must be protected. That means strongly supporting privacy
laws, even if *you* have nothing to hide. Whereas the state wants to
have enough strict laws that when they want to get someone it won't be
hard to find them guilty of something, and they want enough enforced
snooping powers that they can easily dig up the dirt until they find
something they can use against you.

They say they want these laws and powers to protect us against
criminals and terrorists. Of course they'd say that! But what do they
*do* when they get thse powers?

One of the first people to be severely manhandled and arrested under
the UK's new anti-terrorism laws was an old pensioner and life-long
Labour party member who shouted some criticism at the Prime Minister
from the back seats of an auditorium.

Powerful privacy laws are one of the important safeguards of
democracy.

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guy - 06 Oct 2006 11:14 GMT
>> Privacy demands are touted by those that have something to hide.
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>Powerful privacy laws are one of the important safeguards of
>democracy.

I agree with this 100%..    For the normal honest person there
is no problem. We could spend weeks on this issue.  There
is a fine line.

Criminals do exploit these laws.  The authorities do have ways around
the limits.  If I had the answers I would not be living n a shack in
South Texas.  What answers we do derive come from the collective
knowledge.  And a honest and fair population. that vote.wth wisdom.
Hi_Therre - 06 Oct 2006 14:53 GMT
>>> Privacy demands are touted by those that have something to hide.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>South Texas.  What answers we do derive come from the collective
>knowledge.  And a honest and fair population. that vote.wth wisdom.

What is a criminal?  Ken Lay of Enron, Patricia Dunn of HP, or Al
Capone?
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sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 13:45 GMT
>> Privacy demands are touted by those that have something to hide.
>
> I *strongly* disagree with this.

With good reason. "guy" shows every indication of being an intolerant,
ignorant shoot-off-his-mouth person whose opinions are really not worth
hearing or reading.
Food For Thought - 06 Oct 2006 03:42 GMT
>>There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the highways.
>>Just like the seat belt laws.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> I think we have to trust people to carry their own form of diabetic
> identification, and to refrain from driving if they are impaired.

I agree completely. Someone on this newsgroup suggested something for
diabetics like they used to have years ago for "Baby On Board" to be placed
in a conspicuous part of a window to be seen by any would be rescuers in
case there was an accident.

Perhaps someone on here who has a website could design such a window sticker
and have it on their website for anyone needing and wanting one to print out
on their own printers. There could even be an all black and white design for
those without color printers could print out and color with felt markers.
Maybe Julie would volunteer for such a project. If my website was still up
and working I would give it a go.
Alexander Arnakis - 06 Oct 2006 07:24 GMT
>I agree completely. Someone on this newsgroup suggested something for
>diabetics like they used to have years ago for "Baby On Board" to be placed
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Maybe Julie would volunteer for such a project. If my website was still up
>and working I would give it a go.

That might be OK if it was completely voluntary. But I venture to say
that very few diabetics would choose to display such a "mark of Cain"
in front of the idle curiosity of the world.

Let's face it -- there's a certain stigma to being handicapped. At
least with diabetes, the handicap can be hidden to some extent.

I've had Type 1 diabetes for 41 years, and for most of that time I've
kept that information on a "need to know" basis. Only recently, since
I've retired, have I been able to open up a bit. I'll tell you,
there's a lot of discrimination out there, and most of it is the
informal, under-the-table variety. Anyway, I wanted to be judged
strictly on the merits of what I did, rather than to be advantaged or
disadvantaged based on health status.

Regarding carrying identification -- in the early years of my
diabetes, I used to carry a wallet card. With experience, this turned
out to be superfluous. In 41 years, I've *never* had an incident in
which a diabetic I.D. would have been helpful. No one's even looked at
it.  I suppose that if you're prone to passing out, an I.D. might be
useful (under certain limited circumstances). But if you're passing
out on a consistent basis, something in your treatment regimen is
amiss. Maybe you should loosen up a bit on the tight control, because
passing out from a hypo is a far greater danger to your life --
immediately -- than letting your sugars run a little high.
sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 13:46 GMT
> I venture to say
> that very few diabetics would choose to display such a "mark of Cain"
> in front of the idle curiosity of the world.

A lot like the yellow stars the Nazis required Jews to wear, right?
Alan S - 06 Oct 2006 14:59 GMT
>> I venture to say
>> that very few diabetics would choose to display such a "mark of Cain"
>> in front of the idle curiosity of the world.
>
>A lot like the yellow stars the Nazis required Jews to wear, right?

Drivel. Comparing mountains and molehills.

Invoking Godwins.

Alan, T2, Australia.
bj - 06 Oct 2006 17:28 GMT
> I suppose that if you're prone to passing out, an I.D. might be
> useful (under certain limited circumstances). But if you're passing
> out on a consistent basis, something in your treatment regimen is
> amiss. Maybe you should loosen up a bit on the tight control, because
> passing out from a hypo is a far greater danger to your life --
> immediately -- than letting your sugars run a little high.

You must live in a place where nobody ever gets in a traffic accident --  
from red-light-runners & other scofflaws -- or gets mugged, or anything like
that.
Don't I wish.
bj
Alexander Arnakis - 06 Oct 2006 23:08 GMT
>You must live in a place where nobody ever gets in a traffic accident --  
>from red-light-runners & other scofflaws -- or gets mugged, or anything like
>that.
>Don't I wish.
>bj

How many times have you been injured in a traffic accident, or mugged,
*to the point of unconsciousness*? Statistically, this is rare, even
in so-called "high crime" areas.

If you feel safer carrying a diabetic I.D., by all means do so.
Emergency responders are trained -- or should be -- to look for such
I.D.'s.

Carrying a discreet I.D. is an entirely different issue from what Guy
proposed, which was an open and glaringly visible sign. Actually, such
a sign would make you *more* vulnerable to muggings, since there are
those malfeasors out there who prefer to prey on the handicapped -- or
those perceived to be handicapped -- thinking they make easier
targets.
Roger Zoul - 06 Oct 2006 17:37 GMT
:: On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 21:42:56 -0500, "Food For Thought" <Food For
:: Thought@comcast.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
:: that very few diabetics would choose to display such a "mark of Cain"
:: in front of the idle curiosity of the world.

Absolutely.

:: Let's face it -- there's a certain stigma to being handicapped. At
:: least with diabetes, the handicap can be hidden to some extent.

Absolutely.

:: I've had Type 1 diabetes for 41 years, and for most of that time I've
:: kept that information on a "need to know" basis. Only recently, since
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
:: strictly on the merits of what I did, rather than to be advantaged or
:: disadvantaged based on health status.

I'm just like you on this point. I'm definitely on a "need to know" basis
with people in terms of my diabetes.  As a practical matter, in 25 years,
few have ever needed to know, including girlfriends.

:: Regarding carrying identification -- in the early years of my
:: diabetes, I used to carry a wallet card. With experience, this turned
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
:: your life -- immediately -- than letting your sugars run a little
:: high.

Seems like reasonable advice for a T1.
Michelle - 08 Oct 2006 02:12 GMT
There have been two recent media reports posted where this has not been the
case--the police mistook the person having a hypo as being drunk because
there was nothing to alert them to the fact the person was diabetic.
Signature

Michelle, T2
diet & exercise

>>There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the highways.
>>Just like the seat belt laws.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> I think we have to trust people to carry their own form of diabetic
> identification, and to refrain from driving if they are impaired.
shoppa@trailing-edge.com - 06 Oct 2006 01:46 GMT
> Such ID should be very obvious.
>
> The commercial item are sold for a fast easy buck.

But the Medic-Alert ones are really, really solid. I've had three over
the past 25 years, and none wore out.

Also over the past 25 years each one I've chosen was chosen to be
bigger and more blatantly obvious than the last one. Getting something
that's hidden or looks too much like some form of jewelry was probably
the right thing when I didn't want anyone to know, but after a quarter
century I don't have a problem anymore.

The three emblems over 25 years works out to like a fraction of a cent
per day.

> The item should come from a government agency
> and be standardized.

Ack. Gack. Remember when they computerized the old paper passports? The
old ones you could run through a washing machine and they were fine.
The new ones, you look at funny and they fall apart. The government is
NOT the place to do this!

Tim.
sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 02:44 GMT
> Also over the past 25 years each one I've chosen was chosen to be
> bigger and more blatantly obvious than the last one. Getting something
> that's hidden or looks too much like some form of jewelry was probably
> the right thing when I didn't want anyone to know, but after a quarter
> century I don't have a problem anymore.

Question: do you consider the "dog tag" type necklaces to be "hidden"?
I've been wearing one of them for years, and it has virtually never
been looked for or at.

The only time I specifically remember it being of help, and only sort
of, was in 1964 when I had a severe hypo on a plane (traveling alone)
and pulled it out of my shirt so the airline people could see it. Good
thing I recovered long enough to do that!
Alexander Arnakis - 06 Oct 2006 07:40 GMT
>Question: do you consider the "dog tag" type necklaces to be "hidden"?
>I've been wearing one of them for years, and it has virtually never
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>and pulled it out of my shirt so the airline people could see it. Good
>thing I recovered long enough to do that!

Nowadays, all EMT's are supposed to be trained to look for Medic-Alert
bracelets and other standard forms of identification. They're supposed
to check around your neck, and at your wrists and ankles.

If a government mandate is required, it should be at the level of
enforcing this kind of training among EMT's and police personnel,
rather than at the level of the individual diabetics.

I've had Type 1 diabetes -- and I've been driving -- for 41 years, and
during that whole time I haven't had a single incident where a
diabetic I.D. would have been useful. (I used to carry a wallet card,
but I stopped doing so when I realized it was superfluous.)

I refuse to be branded publically with a diabetic "mark of Cain" just
because a few other diabetics behave irresponsibly.
sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 13:48 GMT
> Nowadays, all EMT's are supposed to be trained to look for Medic-Alert
> bracelets and other standard forms of identification. They're supposed
> to check around your neck, and at your wrists and ankles.

Sure, that's EMT's. But how about cops? How about other emergency
personnel, or any other person that might encounter an emergency?
shoppa@trailing-edge.com - 06 Oct 2006 21:45 GMT
> >Question: do you consider the "dog tag" type necklaces to be "hidden"?
> >I've been wearing one of them for years, and it has virtually never
> >been looked for or at.

> I refuse to be branded publically with a diabetic "mark of Cain" just
> because a few other diabetics behave irresponsibly.

I'm opposed to some government-mandated mark in the way you're phrasing
it, too...

BUT that's not what exists.

When I was younger I think I spent too much time rebelling against what
didn't exist. I spent way too much energy at it.

Some folks (like you) have gone decades without any need for emergency
medical assistance, but statistically as a group we either aren't as
responsible or as lucky as you.

Tim.
Alexander Arnakis - 07 Oct 2006 01:17 GMT
>I'm opposed to some government-mandated mark in the way you're phrasing
>it, too...
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>medical assistance, but statistically as a group we either aren't as
>responsible or as lucky as you.

I'm sorry if I implied that the bulk of diabetics are being
irresponsible. I was specifically thinking about the case that Guy
mentioned, where someone flew a plane into a tree, when they shouldn't
have been flying in the first place.

It's a very realistic fear that government mandates will intrude upon
our privacy. The New York City health department made headlines
recently with its proposed requirement that all health care
professionals in the city forward the results of A1C tests on
diabetics to the department, so that it could make followup contacts
with the patients if it deemed their control to be "unsatisfactory." I
don't need a government nanny looking over my shoulder and telling me
if I'm treating my diabetes adequately.
W. Baker - 07 Oct 2006 17:58 GMT
: >I'm opposed to some government-mandated mark in the way you're phrasing
: >it, too...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
: mentioned, where someone flew a plane into a tree, when they shouldn't
: have been flying in the first place.

: It's a very realistic fear that government mandates will intrude upon
: our privacy. The New York City health department made headlines
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: don't need a government nanny looking over my shoulder and telling me
: if I'm treating my diabetes adequately.

That may well be, but to wt extent do any of us have the right to not
folllow wise proceedures and then expect the taxpayer to pay the bill.  
Fro example, driving without proper insurance, or without a seatbelt, or
without having the brakes checked periodically, failure to wear motorcycle
helmuts, etc.  When diabetics diabetics fail to maintain decent bg control
they increse the medical costs for all people who pay for insurance or
taxpayers who pay for the uninsured.  It is a dilemma between total
freedon and total control and we all have to recognize the issues on both
sides.

Wendy
guy - 07 Oct 2006 21:58 GMT
>: >I'm opposed to some government-mandated mark in the way you're phrasing
>: >it, too...
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
>Wendy

Thanks Wendy for sensible answer.  We have  number of people thinking
the rules only apply to others.  BUT when someone abuses them they
scream like a stuck pig.    I might like that system where I could
walk over others with impunity.

Only stupid selfish people really expect to get by with that system
for long.  The slaves will rebel.

Any diabetic without proper identification should have no recourse
against any  medical or good samaritan . n any medical mishap.

                                               Guy
Michael - 07 Oct 2006 22:02 GMT
> That may well be, but to wt extent do any of us have the right to not
> folllow wise proceedures and then expect the taxpayer to pay the bill.  
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Wendy
>  
Your argument has merit.

However, that being the case, the responsible method then would be for
the agency responsible for administering health care to do that
"policing."  New York City Health Department should only be allowed to
see lab results for those they /personally/ administer.

I suspect that the New York City Health Department is responsible for
nobody's insurance or medicare or any other programs.  If that's the
case, then they should get /nobody's/ info.

mt

Signature

T2 dx May 2005 with A1c 10.1
1000 mg Metformin 2x day
1000 mg Fish Oil (Omega 3) 2x day
500 mg Niacin 1x day
last A1c:  5.7

W. Baker - 07 Oct 2006 23:25 GMT
: > That may well be, but to wt extent do any of us have the right to not
: > folllow wise proceedures and then expect the taxpayer to pay the bill.  
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
: >  
: Your argument has merit.

: However, that being the case, the responsible method then would be for
: the agency responsible for administering health care to do that
: "policing."  New York City Health Department should only be allowed to
: see lab results for those they /personally/ administer.

: I suspect that the New York City Health Department is responsible for
: nobody's insurance or medicare or any other programs.  If that's the
: case, then they should get /nobody's/ info.

: mt

But the NYC health Dept is responsible for many aspects of health in the
city.  They handel quanantines,, including the forcible isolation of
people with TB who fail to manage their disease, even when people are sent
out every day to supervise their taking of meds.  this is to prevent
widespread spreading of TB in a crowded city.  

While diabetes is not contagious like the TB, but if it is causign
hospitals to be unalbe to serve the community because of crowding with
complications(a bit of a stretch, is admit) they might be responsible to
see this doesn't happen.  From what I understand of the law, they are
expecting to obtains the A1c levels of diabetic over a certain level, much
higher than what we advise here, to follow them up to get o follow
treatment to prevent the complications.  

Wendy
Roger Zoul - 08 Oct 2006 07:01 GMT
:: Alexander Arnakis <invalid@address.none> wrote:
::::
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
:: seatbelt, or without having the brakes checked periodically, failure
:: to wear motorcycle helmuts, etc.

This always gets sticky.  One can put forth strong arguments agaisnt the
usefulness of seatbelts & helmuts for increasing ones changes of surviving
an accident.

:: When diabetics diabetics fail to
:: maintain decent bg control they increse the medical costs for all
:: people who pay for insurance or taxpayers who pay for the uninsured.
:: It is a dilemma between total freedon and total control and we all
:: have to recognize the issues on both sides.

It's an innate drawback in the system we have developed. We benefit
together, we suffer together.
sechumlib - 08 Oct 2006 14:27 GMT
> It's an innate drawback in the system we have developed. We benefit
> together, we suffer together.

Not nearly enough, since we have no workable national health insurance.
That's the whole idea of insurance.
guy - 08 Oct 2006 17:05 GMT
>> It's an innate drawback in the system we have developed. We benefit
>> together, we suffer together.
>
>Not nearly enough, since we have no workable national health insurance.
>That's the whole idea of insurance.

Thank you for this statement.  We can write books on this issue.
Insurance is not available to so many.   It is the biggest thing in
the
excess cost of medical care. It locks a lot of people into a "job"
which can be a big problem.

It will be almost impossible to setup a good system,  The many
special interests will try to grab more than their fair share.

But if people do not act like sheep and will vote for anyone
supporting a fair program we will get nothing but big and bigger
bills.[

It has nothing to with political party.  Vote for your interests,
especially  in the future if you are diabetic.
                                              Guy  
shoppa@trailing-edge.com - 06 Oct 2006 21:40 GMT
> > Also over the past 25 years each one I've chosen was chosen to be
> > bigger and more blatantly obvious than the last one. Getting something
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Question: do you consider the "dog tag" type necklaces to be "hidden"?

Pretty much, yeah. I had the necklace type medic-alert for the first 8
or 9 years. When I spent all my time trying to convince the world I
wasn't diabetic I ended up convincing them I was a weird boy who wore a
stainless steel necklace :-).

Tim.
John Inzer - 06 Oct 2006 04:27 GMT
> There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the
> highways.
> Just like the seat belt laws.
=========================================
I think we all should wear a hat made of aluminum foil.

--

John Inzer
guy - 06 Oct 2006 05:35 GMT
>> There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the
>> highways.
>> Just like the seat belt laws.
>=========================================
>I think we all should wear a hat made of aluminum foil.

John you are an intelligent man and you know what I was
exploring.   I do have a real story of a diabetic  that
died because he was not IDed as a diabetic,  Most
cases are covered up due to the legal issues

When some diabetic kills the wrong kid and the press
picks on it , We will see what happens.

It is interesting to watch the responses.

It is interesting to read your intellectual response.

I do not drive so I have no vested interest in this issue

I added the "rights" thing to stir a few  people.
John Inzer - 06 Oct 2006 09:22 GMT
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:27:10 -0400, "John Inzer"
> <oobie@doobie.xyz>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> I added the "rights" thing to stir a few  people.
=================================
What's wrong with a tinfoil hat? You wanted
a cheap way to identify diabetics.

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guy - 06 Oct 2006 10:54 GMT
>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 23:27:10 -0

I am up at 4AM and there is some good posts on this subject.

According to the policeman's wife  he is frequently called
on the carpe  When a diabetic has to be handled. in
an accident or irrational behavior. , they are supposed to be
miracle people.

He is supposed to automatically know a diabetic.  I wanted
to see the attitudes.  

I am marked by the lost leg.

For a few peoples info,  the hypo thing is not so simple
for some people.  A simple T1 with insulin loss  has to screw up
royally to get a hypo.  Some of us have lost the glucose
release mechanism and are on a very narrow path.

There is wide range of diabetics.

I still say hiding diabetes to get insurance is fraud.
unless  the program is designed to accept diabetes.
LIke a universal program.  Ha,I got that in.

Comparing the policeman's wife story and some
responses here shows a lot. People want so much
from others but  ***********..
                                              Guy
                                             .
sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 13:50 GMT
> I am marked by the lost leg.

And brain.
guy - 06 Oct 2006 18:36 GMT
>> I am marked by the lost leg.
>
>And brain.

I am enjoying your posts.  It seems
mine disturb you.

I do have a problem with diabetes and the
gross cost of medical care.  You  and
a few others  are a big joke.  Do you
realize most of my posts are to
provoke people like you.

The world does not revolver around you.
or me.
You lost from the first reply.

There are people here that I do respect.
They earned my respect by being
knowledgable about diabetes and
not hung up on trivia

I was last in the seventh grade in 1941..
Alexander Arnakis - 07 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT
>A simple T1 with insulin loss  has to screw up
>royally to get a hypo.  

Not really. I get hypos all the time, but I treat them before I get
anywhere close to passing out. You get almost a sixth sense about
these things.
sechumlib - 06 Oct 2006 13:49 GMT
> I think we all should wear a hat made of aluminum foil.

Guy should, for sure. Maybe it would keep his head warm and his brain
functioning.
Terri - 06 Oct 2006 21:16 GMT
> > I think we all should wear a hat made of aluminum foil.
>
> Guy should, for sure. Maybe it would keep his head warm and his brain
> functioning.

How about you? What do you wear to keep your head warm and your brain
functioning?

A Peter Heater perhaps?

Terri
Gene Goldman - 07 Oct 2006 13:23 GMT
>There is a need for some  universal ID to ride on the highways.
>Just like the seat belt laws.

[snip]

>Such ID should be very obvious.

[snip]

>The item should come from a government agency
>and be standardized.,  Misuse of it should have
>a severe penalty.  

How about a big yellow star, sewn onto the left breast of the
clothing?  

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