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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / September 2006my blood sugar levels from Ravioli, Italian Bread, Broccoli
Last night i have myself a bit of a treat. 7:30 PM Started eating Raviolis = about 12 - about 105gms carbs - that is much more than i thought it would be. Italian Bread about 5 inch = not sure carb count. Sauce = not sure Lamb Shank = not sure :). the pagage says about 35gms carb for 4 raviolis. ok the numbers are in 9:30 pm - 2 hour mark - 142 <-- i also ate 3 more ravioli and 2 inch of italin bread 10:30 pm 3 hour mark - 144 11:30pm 4 hour mark - 143 12:30am 5 hour mark - 146 1:15AM = 137 not great numbers but when you look at the meal :). sure makes me happy i can do that once and a while. Tom The key word is once in a while. I had holiday dinner and at two hours I was about the same as you were, and I could live that way considering I had a half of a ice cream filled crepe for dessert. Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. >>Tom said: >>not great numbers but when you look at the meal :). >>sure makes me happy i can do that once and a while. > The key word is once in a while. Absolutely. >I had holiday dinner and at two hours > I was about the same as you were, and I could live that way considering > I had a half of a ice cream filled crepe for dessert. Thank good our taste buds have memories of their own...that dessert will hold you for quite some time. It reminds me of the line from the movies Risky Business "Sometimes in life you gotta say , "What the f***" Best, Kurt Boy that's the truth. I use really terrible language when I'm home by myself, so I say that quite often actually, especially getting close to the elections and some of the nonsense that is on the news channels right now. :-) Hope you're having a good day Kurt. -- Cheri Kurt wrote in message <1159208951.837115.231750@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>... >It reminds me of the line from the movies Risky Business "Sometimes in >life you gotta say , "What the f***" > >Best, >Kurt Sounds good to me Tom. Glad you enjoyed it, and once in awhile is fine IMO. I had a few pizza toppings, green beans with almonds, and Diet Pepsi. I didn't test, because I didn't feel like testing. :-) Cheri Gantlet wrote in message ... >Last night i have myself a bit of a treat. > 7:30 PM Started eating [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Tom :: Gantlet wrote in message ... ::: Last night i have myself a bit of a treat. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] ::: not great numbers but when you look at the meal :). ::: sure makes me happy i can do that once and a while. Considering that damage occurs at those numbers, you're not doing yourself any favors. > :: Gantlet wrote in message ... > ::: Last night i have myself a bit of a treat. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Considering that damage occurs at those numbers, you're not doing yourself > any favors. I've read that damage occurs over 160, but I think I only read that in here. Do you have any cites that say damage is going to occur after 140? Kurt <snipped some> > I've read that damage occurs over 160, but I think I only read that in > here. Do you have any cites that say damage is going to occur after > 140? Hi Kurt, Hier is the official consensus statement of The American College of Endocrinology with 50+ literature references : http://www.aace.com/meetings/consensus/dcc/pdf/dccwhitepaper.pdf#search=%22%22EN DOCRINE%20PRACTICE%20%22%20%2Bconsensus%20%2BGlycemic%22 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + The American College of Endocrinology Consensus + + The consensus panel recommends 2-hour postprandial blood glucose level of <140 mg/dL.+ + The consensus panel recommends HbA1c values of < 6.5% + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Indeed, investigators have suggested that postprandial glycemia may better correlate with HbA1c levels than fasting glycemia (28). In subjects without diabetes, blood glucose levels typically peak approximately 1 hour after the start of a meal and return to preprandial levels within 2 to 3 hours; 2-hour postprandial blood glucose levels rarely exceed 140 mg/dL (39,40). Therefore, the consensus panel recommends a treatment-targeted 2-hour postprandial blood glucose level of <140 mg/dL. Hemoglobin A1c Target In the epidemiologic analysis of the UKPDS data, the risk for occurrence of microvascular and macrovascular complications was shown to increase at HbA1c values of 6.5% or more (6). ENDOCRINE PRACTICE Vol 8 (Suppl 1) January/February 2002 American College of Endocrinology Consensus Statement on Guidelines for Glycemic Control Question 1. What is the goal of diabetes management? The goal of diabetes management is the prevention of acute and chronic complications of diabetes mellitus. Traditional chronic complications of diabetes are viewed as the microvascular complications of diabetes, including retinopathy, nephropathy, and neuropathy. Nevertheless, the macrovascular complications of diabetes are more prevalent and are the major cause of disability and death in patients with diabetes. Question 2. To what extent does glycemic control attain that goal? Large-scale, randomized, prospective trials of various interventional therapies in patients with both type 1 and type 2 diabetes have clearly shown that reductions in hyperglycemia significantly decrease the microvascular complications of diabetes. Attempts at primary prevention of both eye and kidney disease by intensive diabetes management in the Diabetes Control and Complications Trial (DCCT) (8) and in the Kumamoto Study (9) reduced the incidence of these complications by 50 to 70%. In the intensive treatment cohort of the UKPDS, the incidence of microvascular complications was reduced by 25% (10). In general, all trials demonstrated a 30 to 35% reduction in microvascular complications per 1% absolute reduction of glycated hemoglobin (HbA1c).An epidemiologic analysis of the data from the UKPDS failed to demonstrate a threshold above which microvascular complications occur (6). In both the UKPDS and the DCCT, any reduction in high HbA1c levels was associated with a decrease in the risk of microvascular complications of diabetes. In both the UKPDS and the DCCT, a trend toward a significant reduction in macrovascular complications was noted. In the overweight cohort of the UKPDS, a significant reduction in the incidence of macrovascular complications was achieved with metformin therapy only (11). An epidemiologic analysis of the entire patient population receiving intensive treatment, however, revealed a significant 14% reduction in macrovascular complications for every 1% reduction in HbA1c (6). Fasting plasma glucose, postchallenge glucose, and postprandial glucose levels have been significantly associated with microvascular and macrovascular complications in several cross-sectional and prospectively followed epidemiologic studies. The associations have been most significant with regard to the classic microvascular complication of retinopathy and, to a lesser extent, nephropathy (12,13). The relationships between glycemia and macrovascular complications are more controversial. In general, many studies have noted significant associations of postchallenge and postprandial glycemia with hth Gys > <snipped some> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > http://www.aace.com/meetings/consensus/dcc/pdf/dccwhitepaper.pdf#search=%22%22EN DOCRINE%20PRACTICE%20%22%20%2Bconsensus%20%2BGlycemic%22 Thanks Gys, They mainly talk about a1c levels which represents an average and perhaps a consistant 6.5% bg. I'd like to see a qualified scientific report that definitively states that if our blood sugar goes over 140 even for a brief period of time, that damage occurs. But I really appreciate you taking the time to posting this link and I thought it was very much worth reading. Thanks. Best, Kurt >> <snipped some> >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Best, >Kurt Hi All There is a lot in that paper and the links. Gys highlighted a section but you may have missed it's significance. I'll give a slightly expanded version of the quote from the bottom of page 8: "Independent of complications per se, diabetes control targeting postprandial hyperglycemia proved more effective than use of fasting hyperglycemia in reducing HbA1c levels in pregnant and nonpregnant patients with type 2 diabetes (27,28). Indeed, investigators have suggested that postprandial glycemia may better correlate with HbA1c levels than fasting glycemia (28). In subjects without diabetes, blood glucose levels typically peak approximately 1 hour after the start of a meal and return to preprandial levels within 2 to 3 hours; 2-hour postprandial blood glucose levels rarely exceed 140 mg/dL (39,40). Therefore, the consensus panel recommends a treatment-targeted 2-hour postprandial blood glucose level of <140 mg/dL." Add that comment to this one from the ADA's "GOALS OF MEDICAL NUTRITION THERAPY FOR DIABETES" http://care.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/25/suppl_1/s50 "Goals of medical nutrition therapy that apply to all persons with diabetes are as follows: 1. Attain and maintain optimal metabolic outcomes including * Blood glucose levels in the normal range or as close to normal as is safely possible to prevent or reduce the risk for complications of diabetes." Let's put that together. The American College of Endocrinology makes it clear that "In subjects without diabetes, <snip> 2-hour postprandial blood glucose levels rarely exceed 140 mg/dL" and the ADA says we should maintain "Blood glucose levels in the normal range or as close to normal as is safely possible". Seems pretty clear to me, even without all the other studies. Of course, the patients may have exceeded 140 before the 2-hour test. That's why it helps to read other papers including those noted on Jenny's excellent page. Additionally, the personal experiments by Derek Paice are worth reading in parallel with those studies looking at post-prandial excursions in type 2. You can find his report here http://dapaice.com/DiabetesAndDiet.pdf Another aspect that should be a concern for the OP is that, while his numbers only marginally rose over 140 - they stayed elevated for over six hours after eating. There has not been a lot of study of the "area under the curve" - but Derek Paice and others I've read suggest that a long sustained moderate BG excursion over 140 may be even more dangerous than a short sharp spike. Personally, I attempt to avoid both situations. It's the Irish in me, belt and braces, to be sure, to be sure... Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Hi All > [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Thanks, Alan... This is exactly the same sort of thing many of us have been talking about for months. Let those who can read..... read. This sorta begs the question, how many carbs does it take to choke a gantlet? Will, T2 :: Thanks, Alan... This is exactly the same sort of thing many of us :: have been talking about for months. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: This sorta begs the question, how many carbs does it take to choke a :: gantlet? I honestly worry about him. It hasn't been that long since his "cannoli" event and it seems as if "ravioli" night may be a frequent event at his house. Given that it seems that he regularly eats 200-300g of carbs a day, the workload on his beta cells may be considerable. I wonder if this is the reason some doctors think that all T2s ought to be on some kind of meds. >:: Thanks, Alan... This is exactly the same sort of thing many of us >:: have been talking about for months. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >the workload on his beta cells may be considerable. I wonder if this is the >reason some doctors think that all T2s ought to be on some kind of meds. I know what you mean, Roger, but given the malice he exudes, and the gross insensitivity he displays..... maybe it would be a good thing for him, for his more complete development as a human being, to feel the gripping and crippling pain of unrelenting diabetes, if indeed he is a diabetic at all. We cannot save people from themselves. Anyway, time will tell.... tick, tick, tick goes the clock. Will, T2 >>:: Thanks, Alan... This is exactly the same sort of thing many of us >>:: have been talking about for months. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > for him, for his more complete development as a human being, to feel > the gripping and crippling pain of unrelenting diabetes, you really are a sick son of a bitch william mckee. and i mean son of a bitch in every meaning of the word. may your son and family feel what you just wished on me. if indeed he > is a diabetic at all. We cannot save people from themselves. > > Anyway, time will tell.... tick, tick, tick goes the clock. > > Will, T2 : >:: Thanks, Alan... This is exactly the same sort of thing many of us : >:: have been talking about for months. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] : : Will, T2 That's really a SICK statement, obviously from a SICK SICK MAN! So, if anyone goes against what you say, you wish them ill and harm? I feel sorry for anyone associated with you with that ATTITUDE! You need to seek help! I've lost ALL respect for you! Sadly, things you wish on others usually come back three fold. >: I know what you mean, Roger, but given the malice he exudes, and the >: gross insensitivity he displays..... maybe it would be a good thing [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Sadly, things you wish on others usually come back three fold. Thanks, RK... Just checking the weather. ;-) Not too stormy tonight... a few gusts out of the nether regions, but not bad at all, really. Maybe some gales tomorrow, with choppy seas, followed by a cold front moving in on Wednesday. Gotta watch out for the Skeksis, you know.... Hope you are doing OK. Will, t2 >Gotta watch out for the Skeksis, you know.... The Skeksis- The Skeksis culture favors repetitive flamboyance, emotional pettiness, and a carnivorous attitude toward life. Will, T2 >>Gotta watch out for the Skeksis, you know.... > >The Skeksis- The Skeksis culture favors repetitive flamboyance, >emotional pettiness, and a carnivorous attitude toward life. > >Will, T2 Sigh. Will, I was wondering who hijacked your screen name. Now this. Are you claiming to be above as you say, repetative flamboyance, emotional pettiness etc etc? I'm very sorry to see this side of you. I have no particular affection for Tom. But, truly. That wish was beneath you. Hope all is well with you. And I hope you return to the civil man you generally show yourself to be. >I'm very sorry to see this side of you. I have no particular >affection for Tom. But, truly. That wish was beneath you. > >Hope all is well with you. And I hope you return to the civil man you >generally show yourself to be. Hi Laura, I do not *wish* anything for Tom... It is a waste of time to wish anything for a person like Tom. You miss the point of my post... Seriously, I expect some of us will be reading about his agony in a few years, that is, unless he changes his posting moniker again, but that is OK... Maybe someone else will ridicule him.... Rather like those in Dante's Inferno, in the Seventh Ring of Hell... In the meantime, I sincerely hope he enjoys what quality of life he has left... Want some more carbs, Tom... How about another helping of ravioli? Maybe Kurt will be around to give him some shots. Tick, tick, tick goes the clock.... Will, T2 I think that's a really ugly thing to say Will. Tom posted his experience with ravioli, nothing more. I don't see the point of that kind of reply at all. -- Cheri W.M.McKee wrote in message ... > I know what you mean, Roger, but given the malice he exudes, and the >gross insensitivity he displays..... maybe it would be a good thing [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Will, T2 > I don't see the point of that >kind of reply at all. I guess it goes back to the whole history of the gantlet, Cheri, and the "good will" he has worked so hard to earn. Let the chips fall.... they always do, in the end. The clock is ticking for all of us, I submit... Remember, John Donne enjoins us not to ask for whom the bell tolls... Sorry I could not have been more sublime tonight, but I was not in the mood. Will, T2 >I think that's a really ugly thing to say Will. Tom posted his > experience with ravioli, nothing more. I don't see the point of that > kind of reply at all. > > -- > Cheri i think it is time to find out what. John James Cyril and susan have to say about this wacko. i am going by memory and i do have the last names. i think he is still upset I asked him to post a picture showing how low carb has improved him. he had the nerve to post a picture that clearly shows 1 big a.s chin removed. he can wish all he wants on me. for a $1000 i can make it happen to him. Tom > W.M.McKee wrote in message ... >> I know what you mean, Roger, but given the malice he exudes, and the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >>Will, T2 >>I think that's a really ugly thing to say Will. Tom posted his >> experience with ravioli, nothing more. I don't see the point of that [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Tom Tom, Folks have come to your defense. Please don't lower yourself to making threats. It's unnecessary, and very unbecoming. You really don't have to let one hurt become another. You can rise above this. Please, be the bigger man this time. Don't allow your hurt feelings to evolve into another round where you say things that make you look worse than the one who initially insulted you. You don't have to rise to the bait. You truly don't. You CAN be stronger than that. > for a $1000 i can make it happen to him. Interesting, sounds like Tom has just committed a felony... Hmmm Will, T2 I have no idea what you're talking about, and that's probably a good thing, but I know for a fact that Laura did not say what you attributed to her. That's pretty irresponsible of you not to check your posts before you hit the send button Will. I'm killfiling this thread because I can see that it's just going to get uglier. Have a good evening. W.M.McKee wrote in message ... >> for a $1000 i can make it happen to him. > >Interesting, sounds like Tom has just committed a felony... Hmmm > >Will, T2 >I have no idea what you're talking about, and that's probably a good >thing, but I know for a fact that Laura did not say what you attributed [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >>Will, T2 Sorry, cheri The only reason I was seeing Tom is because others were copying his posts... just the way they do for the Chung posts...Tom has been in my KF for over a month. Don't worry it is all perfectly preserved with accurate attribution for law enforcement. Nobody, except a total bozo, would think anyone but Tom made the threat to have me killed for $1,000.00. The lucky thing for me is that the Feds monitor this group, along with many others, or I might be worried. Maybe I can take some small comfort in that we have flushed out a potential criminal tonight. Will, T2 >>I have no idea what you're talking about, and that's probably a good >>thing, but I know for a fact that Laura did not say what you attributed [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Will, T2 Apparently, though, you did overlook that I kept the appropriate headers, which you snipped in the wrong place. Good night folks. >Apparently, though, you did overlook that I kept the appropriate >headers, which you snipped in the wrong place. > >Good night folks. Sorry, Laura That is how it came through my KF... all I got was your headers, not Tom's. I tried to copy only what Tom posted, not you.... Anyway, if there is to be a prosecution coming out of this little comedy, you will not be implicated, except as a bystander. I have already checked and verified the info. It is preserved electronically correctly where it counts.... He has been headed for it for a long time, and now he is really exposed. Will, T2 :: He has been headed for it for a long time, and now he is really :: exposed. :: :: Will, T2 Still, we all know it was just an idle comment made on usenet. Nothing to sweat over. >:: He has been headed for it for a long time, and now he is really >:: exposed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Still, we all know it was just an idle comment made on usenet. Nothing to >sweat over. That's right, Roger... Actually, it was all a bit foolish, I think. But if anything happens, he is on record as having solicited for capital murder. Will, T2 you're NO better! SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u : : >:: He has been headed for it for a long time, and now he is really [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : : Will, T2 i kinda get the feeling Will is walking around in circles saying "RedRum RedRum" > you're NO better! > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > : > : Will, T2 [Default] On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:29:16 GMT, "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> Maniacally Screamed the following like a drunken "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> into the madness of usenet: >you're NO better! will never claimed he could pay someone to harm another. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . doesn't matter, harm wished on another by whatever words is ALL the same. and Will wished DEATH to Tom. so he's NO better. SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u : [Default] On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 12:29:16 GMT, "rk" : <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> Maniacally Screamed the following like a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : will never claimed he could pay someone to harm another. [Default] On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:55:00 GMT, "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> Maniacally Screamed the following like a drunken "rk" <p_haha_medium@gmail.com> into the madness of usenet: >doesn't matter, harm wished on another by whatever >words is ALL the same. and Will wished DEATH to Tom. > >so he's NO better. he's certainly no worse, than Tom, you, me or anyone else who posts here. And Tom is no victim here, he has posted far worse to many other posters here. Although Tom is enjoying his role as professional victim. Tom's karma may come back to bite him. Warning him of this is not the same as wishing it on him. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >doesn't matter, harm wished on another by whatever >words is ALL the same. and Will wished DEATH to Tom. > >so he's NO better. I'm staying out of the argument - but please, let's be accurate. Neither was particularly pleasant. These are the relevant sections from them both: Will: " I know what you mean, Roger, but given the malice he exudes, and the gross insensitivity he displays..... maybe it would be a good thing for him, for his more complete development as a human being, to feel the gripping and crippling pain of unrelenting diabetes, if indeed he is a diabetic at all. We cannot save people from themselves." and later: Hi Laura, I do not *wish* anything for Tom... It is a waste of time to wish anything for a person like Tom. You miss the point of my post... Seriously, I expect some of us will be reading about his agony in a few years, that is, unless he changes his posting moniker again, but that is OK... Maybe someone else will ridicule him.... Rather like those in Dante's Inferno, in the Seventh Ring of Hell... In the meantime, I sincerely hope he enjoys what quality of life he has left... Want some more carbs, Tom... How about another helping of ravioli? Maybe Kurt will be around to give him some shots" Not pleasant, but while he implied a self-inflicted shorter and more painful life he did not "wish DEATH". Tom was less wordy - but more disquieting: "he can wish all he wants on me. for a $1000 i can make it happen to him." Both should regret those offensive posts, and both should unreservedly apologise. If saying that means I'm acting like a "hall monitor" so be it. Of course, none of us can force either to do anything. Alan, T2, Australia. : Both should regret those offensive posts, and both should : unreservedly apologise. I agree with you 100% : Of course, none of us can force either to do anything. sad but true. : Alan, T2, Australia. >I'm staying out of the argument - but please, let's be >accurate. Neither was particularly pleasant. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >If saying that means I'm acting like a "hall monitor" so be >it. Of course, none of us can force either to do anything. Thanks, Alan, for the reminder of what was actually said. First, I never wished anything for Tom, good or ill... What he does with his own life via his lifestyle choices is his own business. So, there, Tom, I am willing to let it all pass as a meaningless episode... I hope for only good health and a long life for you. You should be aware, however, that you did commit what may be regarded as prosecutable crimes, both State and Federal, last night, and if you are prosecuted, it will have nothing to do with me. I will not be the one to turn you in. If you want to know if I am serious, yes I am... serious as a heart attack. Second, in my opinion, from what I have read in his posts, I suspect Tom may have gloomy prospects, but I am not his doctor. Maybe Tom is not really telling the whole business of what is going on with him. I do not know, and I do not care...As I suggested, maybe he is not even a diabetic... It does not matter. Because I expect Tom to undergo a character building process as a result of his own behaviours and choices in no way implies ill "wishes" on my part... Indeed, whatever shall befall the gantlet will be of his own making, quite independently of what I or anyone else may think... If some take exception to my observations regarding Tom's history of exuding malice and gross insensitivity... people can read for themselves, and I make absolutely no apology. As he said one time himself, his posts "speak for themselves." Will, T2 >>Both should regret those offensive posts, and both should >>unreservedly apologise. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Thanks, Alan, for the reminder of what was actually said. Hi Will That's OK. We seem to use different dictionaries when understanding "unreserved". Wishing you both well. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>>Both should regret those offensive posts, and both should >>>unreservedly apologise. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg Thanks, Alan... I make no reservations.. It is all first come, first served. I never had any specific ill wishes for Tom, at all.... Really, I did not, and I do not now. Seriously, I have nothing to apologize for... If some take offense at what I have posted, perhaps they are confusing emotion and fact. As David Hume noted, in the 18th century, emotion and reason are independent of each other. Tom is what he is and that is that... I am what and who I am... and the irrational and shrill crazies and their sock puppets are who and what they are... It really does not matter. Solicitation of murder for hire is a very serious offense in the U.S., though, especially when amounts and sums of cash are mentioned... We may quit hearing from Tom. Maybe he'll come back this time as "wolverine", or perhaps "canem", or perhaps "komoto dragon"... He has already used up "copulator". I do think Tom would be well advised to consult a lawyer, however, but that is his call. Hope you are having a very nice day in Australia. Will, T2 >>>>Both should regret those offensive posts, and both should >>>>unreservedly apologise. [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I do think Tom would be well advised to consult a lawyer, however, but > that is his call. this guy is a wacko and is well liked amoung the other wanna be doctors here and is probably just as smart. so please if you trust him and his friends more than your doctor i think you would be better off finding a new doctor. >>I'm staying out of the argument - but please, let's be >>accurate. Neither was particularly pleasant. [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >themselves, and I make absolutely no apology. As he said one time >himself, his posts "speak for themselves." So why do you continuously engage the ASD idiot called Tom Gantlet? Just KFile the boob and be done with it. He appears to have little trouble in pressing your buttons to where you explode like a land mine. For a claimed big time attorney, displaying such a short fuse is disquieting. I would hate to see what a capable attorney could do with your short fuse in a civil case. Ignore the boob. _____________________________________ http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free > I would hate to see what a capable attorney could do >with your short fuse in a civil case. Hi Bruce, Thanks for your concern. Actually, I am somewhat detached from the whole thing, right now, and Tom has been in my KF for over a month. I only see what he writes as they are copied and reposted by others, somewhat as bird droppings across a footpath. By the way, all of my trials are public... You are welcome to come anytime. I would be honored if you want to attend someday. If you would like, I can send you an email telling when one is coming up that you might find interesting. Will, T2 "Hi_Therre" <KnotHead@Rosebud.com> wrote in message > So why do you continuously engage the ASD idiot called Tom Gantlet? > Just KFile the boob and be done with it. He appears to have little > trouble in pressing your buttons to where you explode like a land > mine. For a claimed big time attorney, displaying such a short fuse > is disquieting. I would hate to see what a capable attorney could do > with your short fuse in a civil case. Ignore the boob. ok, ok first i must ad a buffer and then get to the point. isnt that PC? here is my buffer. From reading your posts about what you do with your diabetes. i think you are living proof that most newbies are better off working with doctors. Sorry to say tho like most other self-proclaimed diabetic experts you are stubburn and stupid and that is the cause for most of the problems you have posted about. i dont really know if you would call them problems more like things that confuse you but still you come out thinking you actually understand. Not the same as Alan, he seems to make more errors in his posts you just make stupid mistakes in the way you think. anyway the reason for this post. I just wanted to say.. good post. could you imagine this looney with the short fuze in a trial lol. yelling at the Judge " I will server you up some to if you want" lol or one of the other many wacko things he has said in the past. Tom :: On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:43:36 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] :: But if anything happens, he is on record as having solicited for :: capital murder. Tom was just letting off steam. He doesn't mean any real harm. IMO. I do understand your dislike of a threat, however. >Tom was just letting off steam. He doesn't mean any real harm. IMO I expect you are right, Roger, and I am content to let it go.... Will, T2 >>Tom was just letting off steam. He doesn't mean any real harm. IMO > >I expect you are right, Roger, and I am content to let it go.... > >Will, T2 One thing some may not realize, however, is that the mere communication of that type of threat as a solicitation to commit murder for hire over the internet or telephone, itself, is a serious felony, and is subject to Federal prosecution, and substantial incarceration is prescribed as the punishment therefor. The contemplated act does not have to be carried out to complete all of the elements of the offense and render one subject to prosecution and imprisonment. Will, T2 > One thing some may not realize, however, is that the mere > communication of that type of threat as a solicitation to commit [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the elements of the offense and render one subject to prosecution and > imprisonment. Will, it was a pissing match in which unwise things were said on both sides. ENOUGH. Susan : The lucky thing for me is that : the Feds monitor this group, along with many others, or I might be : worried. LMFAO!! BOY are YOU stuck on yourself. I hightly doubt the "Feds" or any other law enforcement are monitoring this newsgroup. There is NO reason at all for them to waste their time here, unless if you really are a Lawyer, you've been trying to plant something on Tom, and have a few buddies that might owe you something, to read what you pass onto them. You really are pond scum Will! You really bring a new low here sadly to say. > : The lucky thing for me is that > : the Feds monitor this group, along with many others, or I might be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is NO reason at all for them to waste their time here, unless if you > really are a Lawyer, one does have to wonder. >you've been trying to plant something on Tom, > and have a few buddies that might owe you something, to read what > you pass onto them. there is nothing that fool can do. > You really are pond scum Will! You really bring a new low here sadly > to say. true > : The lucky thing for me is that > : the Feds monitor this group, along with many others, or I might be [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You really are pond scum Will! You really bring a new low here sadly > to say. will must have forgotten what he said on august 17....... >On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 03:36:29 GMT, "rk" <p_haha_med...@gmail.com> wrote: >Hello RK, >Some people deserve no support... and I shall give them none. >Purveyors of falsehood deserve no support. >Bang, bang, shoot, shoot, they're dead.... tom's comment was dumb but wills was dumber they both need to grow up and stop acting like school yard bullys Nancy >>Some people deserve no support... and I shall give them none. >>Purveyors of falsehood deserve no support. Yep, Nancy... some people deserve absolutely no support... Actually the other part was from a Pink Floyd song... "The Fianl Cut", perhaps you know it? Don't let your a.s fall off from all that hilarity.... It could get messy. Will, T2 Isnt' t that just peachy?... A cute little sock puppet! Will, T2 ::: rk wrote: ::::: On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:34:23 -0700, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :: :: Will, T2 I'm kind of curious about what you mean here, Will. >::: rk wrote: >::::: On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 20:34:23 -0700, "Cheri" [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I'm kind of curious about what you mean here, Will. Well, Roger, after doing a little analysis and checking, I concluded that this "nancy" person is likely someone else who is also a party to this thread under another name... This is the first time he/she has ever posted anywhere with this particular identity... No history ever. I have my suspicions of who the person is, but I shall let it drop there.... Generally, the appearance of sock puppets is often associated with dishonest behaviour and is characteristic of trolls. Sock puppets appear here and there as artificial, and sometimes multiple personalities, behind which there is a single individual presenting the appearance of a dialogue which is wholly contrived. Often times in flame wars, they display a "piling on" behaviour to make a point appear that it has broad support, when really it is the only same person or two posting the same stuff under different identies. For example, it appears that "Kumar" may be a sock puppet of "Chung". Those two identities keep the same conversation going with themselves forever, over and over, if you check the archives. You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. My take on things is that if a person does not have the fortitude to own and be responsible for the content of his/her own posts, they do not deserve to be taken seiously, or even necessarily be treated as real people. Will, T2 >>:: Isnt' t that just peachy?... A cute little sock puppet! >>:: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Will, T2 Here is a link to an interesting "down and dirty" about sock puppets. http://tinyurl.com/7azcq Will, T2 :: On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 07:35:04 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] :: Those two identities keep the same conversation going with themselves :: forever, over and over, if you check the archives. Thanks for the info, Will. :: You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. My :: take on things is that if a person does not have the fortitude to own :: and be responsible for the content of his/her own posts, they do not :: deserve to be taken seiously, or even necessarily be treated as real :: people. Oh...I'm sorry, but I can't take credit here. RZ is not my real name. I created an online name that sounds real because I think it is a cool idea in the internet age. I've been posting under this nic since 2001, IIRC. It's funny, though. I met some people from the LC newsgroup in person on two occasions, once in Los Vegas (we had a low carb retreat) and another time in Altanta (another LC retreat). I think the Vegas trip was in March of 2003 and the Altanta deal was later in October of that year. Interestingly, some of those folks there would call me Roger in person (and some still do!). I don't really like "Roger" as a name, and "Zoul" was supposed to be a ripoff of Ghostbusters, but I got the spelling wrong. But I still stick with it and will continue to do so. So, I guess you won't take me seriously anymore. :( Oh well, honestly counts for something. >Thanks for the info, Will. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >So, I guess you won't take me seriously anymore. :( Oh well, honestly >counts for something. Roger, please do not be offended. I have known for quite some time that you are a real person. You are very genuine, as demonstrated by the content of your posts, and I always take you seriously. Also, I well understand how and why some people adopt fictitious screen names... I just choose not to do it, because I want to be perceived as a serious and genuine person from the start. Personally, I prefer to take an unflinching and unyielding approach to certain things, so I try to be willing to "step up to the plate", so to speak. If we ever do meet, though, it will take some adjustment to think of you as someone other than Roger ;-) Thank you for your honesty. Will, T2 :: On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:42:47 -0400, "Roger Zoul" :: <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] :: :: Will, T2 Oh, never worry. I don't offend easily, even on here! :) We all make choices for many reasons. Thanks for the kind words, too. Usenet seems like the wild, wild west to me. Being too open serves to expose a person to netnuts....as you've seen in this thread....having your personal info out there can result in your potentially becoming an easy target. Personally, I don't want to be bothered with such. Sometimes I think of myself as Roger Zoul. It's weird! :) I have a certain way of saying that nic, too. The "Zoul" get the emphasis and also gets stretched out in duration. Like a madman! I've never been bothered by a "netnut." Must be too uninteresting, since I don't even get much Spam. In fact, I only ever once got a CC from Ted, and it was nice. :-) LOL -- Cheri >Oh, never worry. I don't offend easily, even on here! :) We all make >choices for many reasons. Thanks for the kind words, too. Usenet seems [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >way of saying that nic, too. The "Zoul" get the emphasis and also gets >stretched out in duration. Like a madman! Cheri, Since you're always so nice, you only get nice! :) Try being mean and see what you get! :( :: I've never been bothered by a "netnut." Must be too uninteresting, :: since I don't even get much Spam. In fact, I only ever once got a CC [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] ::: a certain way of saying that nic, too. The "Zoul" get the emphasis ::: and also gets stretched out in duration. Like a madman! I am LMAO. I always thought your name was Roger Zoul IRL too, and if I saw you in person I know I would be one of those people calling you Roger. :-) I use my real name and real email addy, but I don't think it takes a thing away from a poster when they don't use their real name, or don't want things archived. It's called choices. :-) -- Cheri >Oh...I'm sorry, but I can't take credit here. RZ is not my real name. I >created an online name that sounds real because I think it is a cool idea in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >So, I guess you won't take me seriously anymore. :( Oh well, honestly >counts for something. : You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. My : take on things is that if a person does not have the fortitude to own [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : : Will, T2 LOL guess shows just how LITTLE you know. my "nick" are my REAL initials as do I sign my REAL name in my sigline. I think your village is calling you home Will. > : You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. My > : take on things is that if a person does not have the fortitude to own [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I think your village is calling you home Will. im not sure if you are calling Will the Village idiot or if you are saying that the village is a bunch of idiots perhaps both. tom : > : You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. My : > : take on things is that if a person does not have the fortitude to own [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : : tom whichever fits. :) after the BS comment from "bluebrooke" and the phuckin shitty morning email I got and now having to leave in a hour to physical therapy after the crappy night I had after going to bed at 10pm, waking at 12:14am again at 2:19am again at 3:32am again at 4:42am again at 5:33am and again at 8:13am and then staying up! Yes, that is my "normal" nights sleep because of the pain when I'm sleeping. hope your day is much better then mine is.. I'm sure I'll be worse when I get home. lol think i'm going to stop off and get a ice cream cone for comfort support much better tasting then booze! Reisa > : > : You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. > My [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Reisa i dont know the people in the village but if they are Calling Wacko Willy to come home lol well. i was suprised at bluebrookes reply to laura as well. i hope she says she seems to be a very honest person. and has proved that she will say what she thinks is right and will defend someone even if she isnt crazy about them. sorry about all the pain. i found that if i sleep on the couch my frozen shoulder does not hurt as much. i have regained most of the movement but still need more work. back in my teens and early 20's i was a big time boozer. my best friend Ed and myself would drink a quart of vodca before we left his house. i was able to drink all the booze i had and then beer. but if i started drinking beer booze was out of the question for that nigth. yes i think it is a good idea to stay away from the booze as comfort for pain. i would hate to see you end up like Bob. I am also sorry about the loss of your friend Alan H. Tom > i dont know the people in the village but if they are Calling > Wacko Willy to come home lol well. > > i was suprised at bluebrookes reply to laura as well. > i hope she says this was suposed to read " i hope she stays" : > : > : You and I are among the minority here who even use our real names. : > My [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] : : Tom Thanks Tom, We have a huge sectional couch that has a sleeper sofa and two recliners. I sleep on the end seat which is a recliner and have done so for about 3-4 yrs now because I simply cannot lay flat on a bed. Before we had a waterbed and that I could sleep on! LOL but when we moved out here it froze in the move so Mike wont let me get another waterbed until we get a house here to buy or we move back home to CA... so I refuse to buy a bed. So our room lol is the spare room that holds all the boxes I've yet to unpack and probably never will until we buy another house. As far as the booze, I'm really not a drinker by nature but if I find something I like then sadly I'll end up binging on it and therefore I'll keep away all together then I dont have to be tempted. I know too many like Boob and certainly don't wanna be like him. Just be careful, you don't need to get back in that state either.. :) I'm seeing more and more of the ones that I thought once were upstanding that will say anything, even if it's extremely hurtfull just to support those in the same clique. I'm starting to think their leader is much like that of Jim Jones. Thanks for the words about Alan, I certainly will miss him. He was like a brother I have that is always MIA instead. Take care. Reisa Hello RK your waterbed froze - impossible, unless of course you had it in that cooler of yours :). just kidding. the problem with my bed is that when i bought it i thought the harder the better. i dont know if not getting the right bed for you now is the right thing to do Reisa. just make sure the way you are sleeping now will not give you more problems later on. made me smile to read that you will not unpack until you buy your home. must make you feel good inside thinking about it. i have out grown booze a long time ago. i think the taste sucks and I will only drink a beer or 3 if i am alone. i will not and can not go back to the way i used to be :) and :( it was fun. i know what you mean about Jim Jones to. pretty sad but when you look at how things are the only ones that will delurk are the ones that think fighting like that is fun. im going out to take a few pictures and videos. i will be getting back into my database anyday now. to tell you the truth i am a bit afraid of it. i can create the tables i need but am not sure of the relations. i do have a pretty good data model all ready. Joining the tables in mysql is the hard part. I have the joins done in Access and can easily do it in Visual Studio. Well off to film my 2 Bedroom apartment that is going for $3500 a month lol. Tom >hope your day is much better then mine is.. I'm sure I'll be worse when I >get home. lol > >think i'm going to stop off and get a ice cream cone for comfort support >much >better tasting then booze! I hope your day improved by now. I agree about the ice cream. Not much more can be said with news like you've had. Some days are best forgotten. Be well. Alan, T2, Australia. : >hope your day is much better then mine is.. I'm sure I'll be worse when I : >get home. lol [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] : : Alan, T2, Australia. Thank you Alan, Well.. to let you know, yes, my day was quite a bit worse by the time I got home. Physical Therapy went "Ok" -- I found out when I arrived that they weren't in my Insurance "network" therefore, my co-pay was 50%, which left me with another nice bill of $1155.00 and this was after the $50 referal discount. pfft! So, I told them forget it and I'd find a PT that was IN network... well guess they wanted my business, so they dropped my bill by half.. Oh yeah! (rolls eyes) Then instead of getting ice cream, I'd not had lunch yet so Danni and I stopped at the mall for Chinese instead... What a mistake that was.. Don't know if it was food poisoning or what.. But we only went in to eat.. Went across town a 15min trip at best to get Danni's hair trimmed and while I was sitting in there waiting on her, the sweat started pouring down my neck and I mean pouring, just like someone poured water over my head.. I felt myself getting "pale", my nose was like an ice cube.. my hands were shaking, then my whole body became cold and clammy as I was sweating like a stuck pig.. I went out to the truck and thankfully there was a grocery bag in there, because I lost my lunch... This was about 1.5/2hrs after eating.. Danni and I had different things to eat, so who knows.. So, we get home and she's trying to call the doctor, and our wonderful TMobile wireless service is I swear to GOD! trying to become the provider with the MOST amount of dropped calls... 9 dropped calls she had trying to get ahold of my doctor.. The doctor says to watch for the runs and if so, call him back and go right to the ER, otherwise stay hydrated with 7up or Gaterade.. So, Danni then tries to call TMobile, LOL and another 12 dropped calls, she gets ticked and chews them out and then tells them to stuff their free minutes, leaves and goes to walmart to get me some 7up and Gaterade since they're drinks I normally don't have here. And well that's been my evening.. I'm going to take a morphine and wet rag for my forehead grab my blanky and curl up in the recliner and go to sleep for the night.. Hopefully tomorrow will be much better.. Have a good one. SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u <<snippage>> >And well that's been my evening.. I'm going to take a morphine and wet rag >for my forehead [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Have a good one. Gahhh.....I hope you are feeling better really really soon. >And well that's been my evening.. I'm going to take a morphine and wet rag >for my forehead [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Have a good one. Bloody hell. Buy a lottery ticket - your luck can only get better tomorrow. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 1000mg, ezetrol 10mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>And well that's been my evening.. I'm going to take a morphine and wet rag >>for my forehead >>grab my blanky and curl up in the recliner and go to sleep for the night.. >>Hopefully tomorrow >>will be much better.. i read a bit of this earlier but couldnt find the OP. I will reply to what was left after A.S's snipping. if tomorrow is much better enjoy it. soak in the good days and dont take them for granted. i really dont know what to say but i do hope that you are feeling better by the time you read this tomorrow. Tom > And well that's been my evening.. I'm going to take a morphine and wet rag > for my forehead > grab my blanky and curl up in the recliner and go to sleep for the night.. > Hopefully tomorrow > will be much better.. Good grief! I hope so too... <sympathy> Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.3/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 No Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/72/72Kg Thanks guys, Well, it's a TAD bit better, I do know that yes, I do have food poisoning, I'm in the bathroom and yep, I got the runs. I'm keeping a close eye on it.. about the only thing I've been able to keep down today is a bit of SF 7-up and toasted italian bread. I'm running a lowgrade fever too 100.4 right now.. So if I don't get better in a day or so, I'll be headinig to the doctor but figure by then it will have passed. SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u : : > And well that's been my evening.. I'm going to take a morphine and wet rag [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : : Nicky. : Thanks guys, : Well, it's a TAD bit better, I do know that yes, I do have : food poisoning, I'm in the bathroom and yep, I got the runs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : if I don't get better in a day or so, I'll be headinig to the doctor : but figure by then it will have passed. Sheesh! This is the pits! Lately for you it has just been one thing after another! Take care adn I ope it is one of the 24 hors kinds of stomach things. Like the old story, I wa s feelign sown and a little voice told me to cheer up, things could be worse, so I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse. You moght try embroidering this on a sampler to hang on the wall:-) I do hope, though, that things do begin to look up soon. Wendy > Thanks guys, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > if I don't get better in a day or so, I'll be headinig to the doctor > but figure by then it will have passed. Good God, Reisa, what's next for you, locust? You really have been hit with more than your share of grief. But if the old adage of "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" holds true then you are in for a whole world of great things. You deserve some good news...and soon! Best, Kurt LOL I know... but like I said, if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all often. Again, I had a crappy night of sleep, awake every 2-2.5hrs again.. and I have PT again today. I also need to finish up a job and get a quote out this morning.. this should be wonderful work. LOL I'm on my second cup of coffee, I might try to lay back down and take a short nap then get back up and start my day again. I am feeling better, stomach wise.. Unfortunately, seems I've lost yet another 4lbs in 2 days. I called Danni in to double check the scale, thought my eyes were really going out on me. If I'm back in the bathroom today I'll definately be calling the doctor.. Only made a few visits last night during the times I woke up. Thanks everyone. :) SignatureReisa, T1, Animas IR1250 Pumper DX-5/00 ASD-7/00 A1C: 6.2% (8/24/06) Daily CHO: 150-200gm TDD: 34-38u : : > Thanks guys, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] : Best, : Kurt > they both need to grow up and stop acting like school yard bullys > > Nancy I know what it's like to have someone threaten my life on a newsgroup. It would probably be better to say nothing, but simply take the appropriate action against the threatener. <shrug> >I have no idea what you're talking about, and that's probably a good > thing, but I know for a fact that Laura did not say what you attributed > to her. That's pretty irresponsible of you not to check your posts > before you hit the send button Will. cant really blame him. it is complicated stuff. >I'm killfiling this thread because > I can see that it's just going to get uglier. Have a good evening. Hope you are feeling better tomorrow Cheri. dont let Will bother you. i submit lol Tom i read some commenting on why i posted my blood sugar levels for a meal that isnt healthy no matter what kind of diet you are on. i am pretty proud as to how my body has turned around and how it now handles carbs. dont forget when i was first diagnosed i needed meds for even a small healthy meal of only 45 carbs. i am tired of people talking about how bad i am doing and i cant help but feel the path i have choosen to take has lead me to a place that if i go to a party or something i can basically be there and no one can tell that I am diabetic. it wasnt meant for newbies to say.. he eats like that so can i. if anything i would like newbies to come away with this thinking that in doing the right thing most of the time meals like this will not cause blood sugar levels in the 200's i am pretty proud of how my body has turned around and still no medications :) Tom I feel good today Tom. Just not going to respond to negative posts in this thread. I'm interested in how you cooked your lamb shanks. I haven't had lamb shanks for awhile and it sounds good. Take care and have a good day. -- Cheri Gantlet wrote in message ... >Hope you are feeling better tomorrow Cheri. >Tom oooooo man them lamb shanks were good. first i trimmed the fat and grilled them to get rid of some more the fat. Then i sauted some onion in conola oil. placed onion, lamb shanks, and 3 cans of crushed tomato and some tomato paste along with some seasonings including cayenne pepper. set the slow cooker on low for 8 hours. i think next time i will set it for 6 hours. I have to tell you... that meal tasted fantastic. i also have to be honest in that i didnt look at the carb count of the ravioli until i made the post with the details of the meal. its nice to have a meal like that once and a while. i think the eating in the amounts that i did was a result of not having them in soooooo long. next dish in the slow cooker will be Rosmary and Sundried Tomato Lamb Shanks :). cooked with white navy beans. mouth is starting to water :). the only canned beans i buy these days are pork & beans. Back to finishing up on my wifes PDA and then its on to my web site. last night it hit me that i dont really need a database with all the tables i thought i needed. the web site should be up and running in about a week. also about an hour after lunch i will be doing my daily work out :). Tom >I feel good today Tom. Just not going to respond to negative posts in > this thread. I'm interested in how you cooked your lamb shanks. I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >>Tom That sounds good Tom. I think I will try that this Saturday. I usually BBQ, but I think I'll try the lamb shanks slow cooked with the tomato, and skip the tomato beers. :-) -- Cheri Gantlet wrote in message ... >oooooo man them lamb shanks were good. >first i trimmed the fat and grilled them to get rid of some more the fat. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >set the slow cooker on low for 8 hours. i think next time i will set >it for 6 hours. > That sounds good Tom. I think I will try that this Saturday. I usually > BBQ, but I think I'll try the lamb shanks slow cooked with the tomato, > and skip the tomato beers. :-) > > -- > Cheri let me know how it comes out. the bones fall apart after 8 hours. i kinda like ripping the bones apart to get to what is on the inside. lol i guess it slows me up. Tom >> for a $1000 i can make it happen to him. > >Interesting, sounds like Tom has just committed a felony... Hmmm It is too late to change the electronic identifications now, Tom... You are in it now.... Have another piece of pie? Tick, tick, tick goes the clock.... Knock, knock, knock on the door... Will, T2 > Tom, > Folks have come to your defense. i am not suprised that people like RK and Cheri were human enough to see just how crazy it was to say those things to another diabetic. even tho its about the 3rd time such a post was made. and after 3 1/2 years of having no one like Kurt and RK or Cheri to point certain things it means a lot to me when someone new does. Thank you >Please don't lower yourself to > making threats. It's unnecessary, and very unbecoming. You really > don't have to let one hurt become another. reading those things about diabetic complications did spook me and to be honest i wouldnt want the day to come that i do suffer any of them and think someone might be glad about it. > You can rise above this. > Please, be the bigger man this time. done :) > Don't allow your hurt feelings > to evolve into another round where you say things that make you look > worse than the one who initially insulted you. that feels good to read. I cant help but also be thankful for Kurt. hes the first one to ever let what you are talking about be known. there was also this girl Dana a few years back that was told that she was warned about talking to me and was attacked when she said she would pick her own friends. > You don't have to rise > to the bait. You truly don't. You CAN be stronger than that. Bigger, Stronger, Faster :). anyway.. i have some really good news. no i didnt save a fortune on health insurance but just a few mintues ago. I connected my PDA (Dell X51V) wirelessly to my cell phone to use the cell phone as a modem. my wife had wanted a blackberry but i talked her out of it and got her the PDA. was a pain in the Butt but now her screen is huge and its beefed up as much as dell would let me. works great.. i have been trying to do this for a few weeks now and tonight was the night :). up until now i have just been connecting WiFi. Good night and thank you Laura Tom |
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