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Random Blood Glucose Test >200 mg/dl

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Uncle Enrico - 26 Aug 2006 14:48 GMT
Here's an interesting nugget of info:

Diabetes is not diagnosed on a Random Blood Glucose test until two
successive readings over 200 mg/dl.

An RBG is taken randomly without regard to when the subject last ate.

The RBG is not the preferred test for diabetes, but it is interesting to
note just how high the diabetes bar is for this test.
Jenny - 26 Aug 2006 17:17 GMT
> Diabetes is not diagnosed on a Random Blood Glucose test until two
> successive readings over 200 mg/dl.
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> The RBG is not the preferred test for diabetes, but it is interesting to
> note just how high the diabetes bar is for this test.

Nothing surprising about this. It was done on purpose.  The whole point
of the ADA diagnostic criteria was to put off diagnosing people as long
as possible. By the time they diagnose you, their intention was that
you'd be just south of the blood sugar level at which retinopathy
begins.  The justification for this was that a diabetes diagnosis
carries a "stigma".  (A diagnosis of AIDS also carries a stigma, but
I've never heard of anyone suggesting we shouldn't diagnose it until the
T cells were almost gone.)

All documented at http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046782.php

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--Jenny

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes  Diabetes Info

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control

W.M.McKee - 26 Aug 2006 17:58 GMT
>Nothing surprising about this. It was done on purpose.  The whole point
>of the ADA diagnostic criteria was to put off diagnosing people as long
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>
>All documented at http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046782.php

I'd rather be stigmatized as diabetic, than blind, crippled, or dead.

Will, T2
Just - 26 Aug 2006 18:10 GMT
>> Nothing surprising about this. It was done on purpose.  The whole
>> point of the ADA diagnostic criteria was to put off diagnosing
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>
> Will, T2

Doctors have low thresholds for treating LDL.
But they have high thresholds for BG values.

Why?

Supposedly the drug companies are responsible
for the low LDL threshold values. So why are
those same drug companies not making doctors
treat FBG values of 100 & RBG values of 150
- i.e. they can sell more Amaryl, they can sell more
Actos, Avandia etc, right?
Susan - 26 Aug 2006 18:19 GMT
> Doctors have low thresholds for treating LDL.
> But they have high thresholds for BG values.
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> - i.e. they can sell more Amaryl, they can sell more
> Actos, Avandia etc, right?

Actually, recent publications have started discussion of rx'ing insulin
sensitizers for IGT to prevent DM.

Susan
Susan - 26 Aug 2006 18:13 GMT
> I'd rather be stigmatized as diabetic, than blind, crippled, or dead.

Agreed, but at the time those standards were set, there was little to
control type 2 DM the way we're able to now, and DM's were routinely
screened out by employers (high med insurance costs), unable to buy
private health or life insurance.

Not a scientifically or clinically appropriate way to determine
diagnostic levels, but perhaps motivated by humanitarian concerns at the
time.

The same cannot be said for those who continue to advocate those
criteria, though.

Susan
Uncle Enrico - 26 Aug 2006 19:59 GMT
> Nothing surprising about this. It was done on purpose.  The whole point of
> the ADA diagnostic criteria was to put off diagnosing people as long as
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> All documented at http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046782.php

Thus a relative of mine developed a serious peripheral neuropathy before he
was diagnosed with DM despite regular visits to his MD and normal FBGs.  He
had a habit of eating lots of ice cream at night.  Somehow his FBGs were OK
but he must have been spiking high after these desserts for years.

Your website looks better than ever, Jenny.
Jenny - 27 Aug 2006 19:12 GMT
> Your website looks better than ever, Jenny.

Thanks!  Check out the new blog, too.  Oddly, I'm finding there's a
subset of people who seem to only read blogs, not newsgroups, sites etc.
Probably young'uns.

---Jenny

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes  Diabetes Info

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
bj - 27 Aug 2006 18:26 GMT
> The RBG is not the preferred test for diabetes, but it is interesting to
> note just how high the diabetes bar is for this test.

The bar for "impaired" is lower -- and is *supposed* to be a sign that "you
need to pay attention to this issue".
bj
 
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