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What happens when you ask for NO SUGAR?

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Trinity - 30 Jul 2006 00:27 GMT
What happens when you ask for no sugar? You get honey! I ordered a
drink and specifically said no sugar. So instead I get my drink with honey!
I guess it's not good enough to assume that what you ask for is what you get.

On a side note, I find that just like the days when I suffered from reactive
hypoglycemia and hadn't eaten, I feel like crap and it takes the whole day
to recover!! The other day I ate breakfast & went to the gym at my workplace.
I could tell that the glucose was being burned up as my head was starting to
throb after 15 minutes. My before workout bg was 7.7 mmol. After 30 minutes
of the cross trainer, shower & back at my desk, I tested 3.9 mmol. By then
I was pretty in-coherant so I went to the cafe and ordered a slice of rye bread
dark (I know it's not the same as the rye bread I buy, so it probably had 20
grms of carb?? cream cheese & 1 sausage link. I knew I couldn't trust the bread
as 1 hr. I was at 8.6 mmol & at 2 hours I was at 7.4 mmol, but at 3 hours I
was at 5.4 mmol. So even at that time with my level normal, I felt like sh.t
and was still pretty fuzzy all day.

Is it normal to have a low affect your whole day??? Not number wise, but headache,
crankiness, foggy, and plain YUK?

This does get tiring every now and then doesn't it???
Trinity
W.M.McKee - 30 Jul 2006 00:29 GMT
>Is it normal to have a low affect your whole day??? Not number wise, but headache,
>crankiness, foggy, and plain YUK?
>
>This does get tiring every now and then doesn't it???
>Trinity  

Hi Trin,

When I have a low like that, it ruins my whole day....

Hope you are doing better, now.

Will, T2
Trinity - 30 Jul 2006 00:35 GMT
Hi Will,
Yes, that was Thursday. The sucky part about diabetes is when I get low, I
feel like crap the whole day, but if I'm high I don't really notice it, unless
I've been high for an extend period of time, then my feet start throbbing.

Having a low is like having a hangover. Just gotta wait for the next day.

Cheers,
Trinity

.M.McKee <wmmckee@cox.net> wrote:

>>Is it normal to have a low affect your whole day??? Not number wise, but headache,
>>crankiness, foggy, and plain YUK?
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>Will, T2
W.M.McKee - 30 Jul 2006 00:46 GMT
>Hi Will,
>Yes, that was Thursday. The sucky part about diabetes is when I get low, I
>feel like crap the whole day, but if I'm high I don't really notice it, unless
>I've been high for an extend period of time, then my feet start throbbing.
>
>Having a low is like having a hangover. Just gotta wait for the next day.

Actually, I have come to think that having a hangover is partly, at
least, all about having a low.... The feeling is very similar, he
said, as he sipped on his martini.

The main difference is that our condition of diabetes makes our
regulation of our BG much less automatic, and thus susceptible to
factors that most non-diabetics do not have to think about.

Glad you are doing better, now.

Will, T2.
Trinity - 30 Jul 2006 00:54 GMT
Not to mention the trickiness of consuming the right amount of carb to correct
the low. There's a lot of talk of when low have a lifesavers or smarties candy
= 15 grams of fast acting carb. But does that work when you bg is at a certain
low? To me the 3.9 was low enough that I wanted to eat something to raise it
to 6 or 7, but it went to 8.6 & didn't drop very fast. So next time, I will
not eat what I ate, but maybe I'll have the lifesavers.

Another thing I notice with feeling lousy is when I'm hungry, but my number
is in normal range. i get the same low feeling. So it's a matter of eating
just like w/ hypoglycemia - every 2-3 hours.

Luckily I don't have many lows, but they suck when they happen. I hope you
don't get many Will!

Cheers,
Trinity

>>Hi Will,
>>Yes, that was Thursday. The sucky part about diabetes is when I get low, I
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>Will, T2.
W.M.McKee - 30 Jul 2006 01:04 GMT
>Another thing I notice with feeling lousy is when I'm hungry, but my number
>is in normal range. i get the same low feeling. So it's a matter of eating
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>Cheers,
>Trinity

Hi Trinity,

I have had a few real hypos, but not that many... so, I do know the
feeling and what you are talking about. Coming back from a low like
that, a hyperglycemic episode of  8.6, while not good, is not
something to get unduly worried about, as long as you can return to a
more normal level within a few hours... When it happens, you know what
to do... Just do not have so much of whatever it was that you had,
next time. Some people use lifesavers, others use orange juice, and
still others use straight glucose tablets, or something else. Just be
cautious, and you should be OK...

Here's hoping for no more lows !

Will, T2
Trinity - 30 Jul 2006 02:29 GMT
Thanks Will!!
I will hopefully keep the lows away & at least modify my game plan to get back
to normal!!
Cheers,
Trinity

>>Another thing I notice with feeling lousy is when I'm hungry, but my number
>>is in normal range. i get the same low feeling. So it's a matter of eating
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>Will, T2
Michelle - 30 Jul 2006 02:44 GMT
Hi Trinity,

Yes, a low pretty well ruins the whole day.  Before I got a clue, I
suffered reactive hypoglycemia frequently, and one attack took hours to
fully recover from, although the BG got back to normal very quickly
after eating some carb.  Even then, I often felt run down the rest of
the day.

Michelle T2
diet & exercise

> Is it normal to have a low affect your whole day??? Not number wise, but headache,
> crankiness, foggy, and plain YUK?
>
> This does get tiring every now and then doesn't it???
> Trinity
Trinity - 30 Jul 2006 21:02 GMT
Hi Michelle,
And that's just a low: 3.9 to 4.9 mmol. I don't even want to imagine what I'd
feel like below 3.0, or in hypo territory, although I have  gotten down to
3.0 after exercise with the same effects.

Trinity

>Hi Trinity,
>
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>> This does get tiring every now and then doesn't it???
>> Trinity
Trinity - 30 Jul 2006 21:25 GMT
Julie,
I see your post on google, but the news server I'm on hasn't posted your response
yet, so I'm piggybacking to my own post.

We frequent Asian restaurants in Markham Ontario and sometimes we stop at a
'Tea Shop'. There are several ones that we stop at, and I've only ordered this
a few times experimenting, but at one place I ordered red bean w/ coffee which
at one place put it in the blender & it came out like an icee (sp). I tell
them I don't want sugar just the red bean powder & coffee & it's fine. Well
I was getting food without my spouse who is Asian and went to a different franchise.
I pretty much knew right away that they would not give me what I want, but
I didn't expect the honey in place of the no sugar. I asked the guy if they
had the red bean coffee drink, no sugar, no tapioca balls. Well he didn't put
it in the blender, so it wasn't icee like, he just put ice cubes and shook
it. (Not the same!!) Then when I left and tasted it, it had honey.

I just let it be, because sometimes with Asian people and I am half Asian myself
so I half know what I'm talking about!!! :) When I ask for no eggs, they think
then their dish is not as good, but I explain it is a food allergy. Maybe the
same was true with this. To me I like the taste of the red bean & coffee no
sugar. Tastes fine to me. But I'm sure to those who make it, they cannot imagine
and feel it is not as good with it not being sweet. Thus I think why honey.
Sure he even wrote on the paper  - no sugar, but I'm sure he just could not
imagine drinking it unsweetened.

Oh well. I'll just have to remember to go to the first place that got it right
the way I like it.

Cheers,
Trinity.

>Hi Michelle,
>And that's just a low: 3.9 to 4.9 mmol. I don't even want to imagine what I'd
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>>> This does get tiring every now and then doesn't it???
>>> Trinity
Julie Bove - 30 Jul 2006 09:32 GMT
>           What happens when you ask for no sugar? You get honey! I ordered
a
> drink and specifically said no sugar. So instead I get my drink with honey!
> I guess it's not good enough to assume that what you ask for is what you get.

What kind of drink was it?

> On a side note, I find that just like the days when I suffered from reactive
> hypoglycemia and hadn't eaten, I feel like crap and it takes the whole day
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>
> This does get tiring every now and then doesn't it???

I have some lows that I recover from quickly and others that mess me up for
the whole day.  I never know which it is going to be.  For that hypo, you
should have laid off the cream cheese and sausage, at least until the carbs
from the bread kicked in.

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