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5.1 HBA1C  ???

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Gary - 25 Jul 2006 11:10 GMT
I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
me. MY last two A1C's were 5.2 and 5.1 and it probably should be an 8
or 9. Can anyone give me the name and/or cause of the condtion so that
I can pass the information to my health care provider ?

Thanks in Advance ...

Gary
kailuasands@yahoo.com - 25 Jul 2006 11:22 GMT
Well, Gary, if you're Type 2, I'd say your condition is called "Being
Under
Tight Control" and is completely laudable & enviable. Congratulations!

If you are Type 1--speak to others (though it's still sounding great to
me).

Good luck.

> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Gary
W.M.McKee - 25 Jul 2006 12:32 GMT
>I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
>low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Gary

I would say there is nothing at all wrong with an a1c of 5.2 or
5.2.... Actually, most people here would like to be there.

Will, T2
Alice Faber - 25 Jul 2006 15:11 GMT
> >I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> >low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I would say there is nothing at all wrong with an a1c of 5.2 or
> 5.2.... Actually, most people here would like to be there.

Normally, you're right, of course. But I'm with Gary in having a vague
recollection of some condition that causes red cells to be replaced at a
faster rate, as a result of which A1c is much lower than would be
expected based on daily readings. As I recall, a fructosamine test isn't
influenced in this way, and would be a good check.

Given high daily BG readings and low A1c, another possible cause might
be hypos, perhaps overnight.

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wmmckee@cox.net - 25 Jul 2006 15:57 GMT
> Normally, you're right, of course. But I'm with Gary in having a vague
> recollection of some condition that causes red cells to be replaced at a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Given high daily BG readings and low A1c, another possible cause might
> be hypos, perhaps overnight.

Well, Alice, certainly I would agree that if Gary has some strong reason for
suspecting that his readings are giving a false impression of his control of
his diabetes, he should have more diagnostics to check further... As your
post suggests, the low a1c just measures glycolization of the blood cells,
and its common interpretation is based upon certain assumptions as to the
rate of the creation of new blood cells and the replacement of older blood
cells. I, too, have heard of some conditions that may affect the proper
interpretation of the a1c levels as a measure of overall blood glucose
control.

Will, T2
Loretta Eisenberg - 25 Jul 2006 18:25 GMT
Gary , are you bragging or are your serous.  If you are serious, it
should happen to me.  It is a great number.  You are probably watching
your carbs and exercising,  and of course, the meds you are on.

Loretta

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Julie Bove - 25 Jul 2006 20:01 GMT
> Gary , are you bragging or are your serous.  If you are serious, it
> should happen to me.  It is a great number.  You are probably watching
> your carbs and exercising,  and of course, the meds you are on.

There are certain medical conditions that can make the A1c useless.  The
blood disorder called spherocytosis is one such.  So is amemia.  If you have
these, you could have high blood sugar but a low A1c.  For people with these
problems, the Fructosmaine test is more accurate.  You could also have lots
of highs and lows and a good A1c.

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Roger Zoul - 26 Jul 2006 10:45 GMT
::: Gary , are you bragging or are your serous.  If you are serious, it
::: should happen to me.  It is a great number.  You are probably
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
:: For people with these problems, the Fructosmaine test is more
:: accurate.  You could also have lots of highs and lows and a good A1c.

I many people here report having lots of highs and lows and good A1cs?
Gary - 27 Jul 2006 05:30 GMT
>Gary , are you bragging or are your serous.  If you are serious, it
>should happen to me.  It is a great number.  You are probably watching
>your carbs and exercising,  and of course, the meds you are on.
>
>Loretta

I'll sometiems get into the icecream and hit 250, then afte my orals
and fall asleep and wake up with a 40 BG. I don't do that every day
but I hit 200's quite often

I'm serious Loretta. I generally run fairly high numbers. I'm on
chemotherapy and figure that the cancer will get me before the high BG
levels do. But I don't want to have a serious condition that might
hasten the damage to my kidnes.

Thanks for your input

Gary
Hi_Therre - 27 Jul 2006 14:13 GMT
>>Gary , are you bragging or are your serous.  If you are serious, it
>>should happen to me.  It is a great number.  You are probably watching
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>and fall asleep and wake up with a 40 BG. I don't do that every day
>but I hit 200's quite often

Blue Bunny makes very good low carb ice cream.  Costs $3.14 at
walmart.  It does not spike me.  And, almost anything will spike me.
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Jenny - 27 Jul 2006 14:57 GMT
> I'll sometiems get into the icecream and hit 250, then afte my orals
> and fall asleep and wake up with a 40 BG. I don't do that every day
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> levels do. But I don't want to have a serious condition that might
> hasten the damage to my kidnes.

Gary,

There's your answer.  Chemotherapy kills red blood cells, so your A1c
does not adequately represent your blood sugar status. The fructosamine
test would if your doctor will order it.

I did very bad things to my blood sugar when I was dealing with cancer
some years ago, though I was fortunate enough that mine didn't require
chemo. But I completely understand where you are coming from.

My advice re the blood sugar would be to do the best you can do until
the crisis stage is past but don't torment yourself about it. When it is
passed, you'll have the energy and emotional resources available to take
care of the blood sugar.  A month of two of rotten control shouldn't do
anything irrecoverable.

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Gary - 30 Jul 2006 14:02 GMT
>> I'll sometiems get into the icecream and hit 250, then afte my orals
>> and fall asleep and wake up with a 40 BG. I don't do that every day
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>care of the blood sugar.  A month of two of rotten control shouldn't do
>anything irrecoverable.

Thanks for the information !!

Gary
J.C. Hartmann - 25 Jul 2006 15:08 GMT
> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Gary

Gary,

A proper answer to this question is pretty complex, and would probably
best be answered by a hematologist. There are a number of possible
pathologies that can account for an abnormally low A1c.

First, if you are a believer in the old wives' tale that the HbA1c is
somehow an "average of the past 90 day's BG levels", you need to get
over that idea. Glycosylation of hemoglobin is a very non-linear process
that is effected by magnitude and duration of BG over a non-linear time
period.

IOW, a short spike doesn't affect A1c very much, but a longer term
period of hyperglycemia will. For example, a 2 or 3 hr spike of 300 will
have less cumulative effect than a week at 150. In addition, it is a
popular misconception that once glycated, there is no mechanism for
unglycating hemoglobin. This has been proven to be untrue, however a
hypo incident will not somehow suck the glucose off the RBCs.

To further complicate things, the impact of these hi and low events is
modulated by their time proximity to the time of the blood draw. If
something happened 10 weeks ago, its impact on today's A1c is less than
if it happened 3 weeks ago.

Charly Coughran posts more regularly on MHD, and has been interested in
A1c for quite a while. Aside from having an intellectual curiosity about
the subject, Charly happens to work at a major university, although in a
different discipline. His employment gives him the benefit of access to
world class research libraries, and he has posted frequently on this
subject. He is also the author of the section on A1c in Part 2 of the
FAQs which you can read at
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/faq/part2/index.html .

The other part of the equation which is important is the kinetics
involved in the creation and destruction of hemoglobin. If you have
pathology that interferes with the rate or quality of hemoglobin
creation, this will affect A1c. If you have an injury, or donate blood,
or suffer from a dysplastic syndrome, this will affect your A1c.

If you are really concerned that A1c is not truly reflecting your spot
glucose numbers, the easiest step is to use another simple blood test
called a fructosamine test. Instead of measuring the glycation of
hemoglobin, it measures the glycation of albumin, another component of
blood. This should help you and your doc decide if your fears are warranted.

Jim
Kurt - 25 Jul 2006 17:50 GMT
Hi J.C.,

One of the best posts I've ever read in this newsgroup.  Thanks for
taking the time to compose and post it.

Best,
Kurt

> > I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> > low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
> Jim
Gantlet - 25 Jul 2006 18:04 GMT
My lowest A1C was a 5.1.
not sure if i was still on meds at the time.

> Hi J.C.,
>
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>>
>> Jim
Jenny - 25 Jul 2006 15:53 GMT
> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
> me. MY last two A1C's were 5.2 and 5.1 and it probably should be an 8
> or 9. Can anyone give me the name and/or cause of the condtion so that
> I can pass the information to my health care provider ?

Someone else posted the long answer to your question. The short answer
is "Anemia."  If your blood cells aren't living as long as normal, you
can have an abnormally low A1c and should have a fructosamine test.

In my own experience a 5.2% A1c correlates with blood sugars that are
about 97 fasting and rarely spike over 120 mg/dl.

--Jenny

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ray - 25 Jul 2006 15:56 GMT
> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Gary

I don't think so!! Many of us labor intensely to get an A1C under 6 - my
ultimate goal is to go under 5. I believe average for a healthy
non-diabetic is around 4.5 - 4.7.
bj - 25 Jul 2006 16:36 GMT
>> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
>> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> ultimate goal is to go under 5. I believe average for a healthy
> non-diabetic is around 4.5 - 4.7.

I thought he meant "based on my bg meter test results, I thought my A1c
would be higher than it turned out", not that 8 or 9 is desirable.

I can understand why getting a very-much-lower than expected A1c might be
cause for concern & wanting to know why it might have come out that way.
bj
ray - 25 Jul 2006 18:49 GMT
>>> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
>>> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> cause for concern & wanting to know why it might have come out that way.
> bj

Yes, I see your point - I missed that.
Julie Bove - 25 Jul 2006 20:04 GMT
> > I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> > low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> ultimate goal is to go under 5. I believe average for a healthy
> non-diabetic is around 4.5 - 4.7.

You don't think so?  Then you need to be more informed.  Anemia, Sickle Cell
Anemia and Spherocytosis are three blood disorders that can all affect the
A1c.  I'm sure there are others.  I also know of one brittle type 1 who in a
typical day has a couple of hypos and some numbers around 500.  Yet her A1c
is in normal range.

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jackson - 25 Jul 2006 23:46 GMT
: > I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
: > low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
: ultimate goal is to go under 5. I believe average for a healthy
: non-diabetic is around 4.5 - 4.7.

Again, bad info. From the DCCT:

Risk levels for developing possible diabetes complications
associated with A1c levels:

Below normal levels: levels <4.3 % (70 mg/dl) indicate an
serious risk for acute hypoglycemia (low blood sugar levels).
High risk level for acute hypoglycemia.

Normal HPLC-BA non-diabetic range: 4.3 - 5.5 % (70 - 108 mg/dl)

While the normal range of a non-diabetic individual is in this range,
individuals with diabetes should use extreme caution when maintaining
A1c levels below 5.0% as this may represent a significant opportunity
for hypoglycemia (especially in individuals that present with hypoglycemia
unawareness).

Above normal levels: >5.6 % mg/dl (>109 mg/dl)

The DCCT and other diabetes studies have concluded that
there is an direct association with the risk for the possible
development of complications with increasing levels of A1c.

** added myself: which is why most Type 1's do not try this low.
911 hypo runs are very real for T1's unlike T2's. Also the more
hypo's a T1 has the more likely they end up being hypo unaware.

Jackson
Ma¢k - 25 Jul 2006 19:58 GMT
>I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
>low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Gary

5.1 and 5.2 are NOT low A1c readings.  They are Normal A1c readings
for a tightly/well controlled type 2 diabetic or an extrememly tightly
controlled type 1 diabetic.  An A1c reading of 8 or 9 is abnormally
HIGH and puts you at a very high risk of diabetic complications like
nerve damage, blindness, kidney failure, heart disease etc.

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Julie Bove - 26 Jul 2006 02:39 GMT
> 5.1 and 5.2 are NOT low A1c readings.  They are Normal A1c readings
> for a tightly/well controlled type 2 diabetic or an extrememly tightly
> controlled type 1 diabetic.  An A1c reading of 8 or 9 is abnormally
> HIGH and puts you at a very high risk of diabetic complications like
> nerve damage, blindness, kidney failure, heart disease etc.

He didn't say they were low.  He said "abnormally low".  Now I could be
reading this wrong, but I took this to mean that judging by his day to day
numbers, he figured that his A1c should have been around 8 or 9.  But it
wasn't.  And as you can see by the links I posted in another thread, there
are several blood disorders that can cause this to happen.

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Ma¢k - 26 Jul 2006 04:09 GMT
>> 5.1 and 5.2 are NOT low A1c readings.  They are Normal A1c readings
>> for a tightly/well controlled type 2 diabetic or an extrememly tightly
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>numbers, he figured that his A1c should have been around 8 or 9.  But it
>wasn't.

I've yet to see him confirm this.

> And as you can see by the links I posted in another thread, there
>are several blood disorders that can cause this to happen.

I already know these facts.

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Wes Groleau - 28 Jul 2006 01:46 GMT
>> He didn't say they were low.  He said "abnormally low".  Now I could be
>> reading this wrong, but I took this to mean that judging by his day to day
>> numbers, he figured that his A1c should have been around 8 or 9.  But it
>> wasn't.
>
> I've yet to see him confirm this.

He "confirmed" it later in the thread by an important
detail omitted from the first post--chemotherapy.

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Ma¢k - 28 Jul 2006 06:28 GMT
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:46:55 GMT, Wes Groleau
<groleau+news@freeshell.org> Huffed and Puffed the following into the
madness of usenet:

>>> He didn't say they were low.  He said "abnormally low".  Now I could be
>>> reading this wrong, but I took this to mean that judging by his day to day
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>He "confirmed" it later in the thread by an important
>detail omitted from the first post--chemotherapy.

My mother has been undergoing chemo, maintaining A1cs of 5.2 to 5.6
and rarely having any BGs above 120.

He's going to have to confirm it with actual daily BG tests.

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Jenny - 28 Jul 2006 14:46 GMT
> My mother has been undergoing chemo, maintaining A1cs of 5.2 to 5.6
> and rarely having any BGs above 120.
>
> He's going to have to confirm it with actual daily BG tests.

So sorry to hear your mom has to endure chemo.

But there are many different chemicals used for chemo, depending on the
specific cancer being targeted, and some of them do destroy red cells.

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Gary - 30 Jul 2006 14:06 GMT
>> My mother has been undergoing chemo, maintaining A1cs of 5.2 to 5.6
>> and rarely having any BGs above 120.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
>Sugar Under Control

Though there were too many to thank individually thanks to all that
responded !!

Best regards ..... Gary
Roger Zoul - 26 Jul 2006 10:54 GMT
::: 5.1 and 5.2 are NOT low A1c readings.  They are Normal A1c readings
::: for a tightly/well controlled type 2 diabetic or an extrememly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
::
:: He didn't say they were low.  He said "abnormally low".

Yes, he inferred that he thinks that 5.1 and 5.2 are abnormally low.

Now I could
:: be reading this wrong, but I took this to mean that judging by his
:: day to day numbers, he figured that his A1c should have been around
:: 8 or 9.  But it wasn't.  And as you can see by the links I posted in
:: another thread, there are several blood disorders that can cause
:: this to happen.

Perhaps that's what he indeed meant, but it's not exactly what one could
understand from his post.

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Julie Bove - 25 Jul 2006 19:59 GMT
> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Thanks in Advance ...

Anemia and other blood disorders can affect the A1c, rendering it useless.
Here are some links:

http://www.diabetestechnologies.com/

http://clinical.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/22/3/141

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1
5345893&dopt=Abstract


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MaryL - 26 Jul 2006 02:51 GMT
>I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Gary

What readings do you get with your meter?  Is that what leads you to think
your A1c is too low?  If not, it's cause for celebration.  My last A1c was
5.2, and I was delighted (so was my doctor).

MaryL
Roger Zoul - 26 Jul 2006 10:55 GMT
:: I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
:: low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
:: me. MY last two A1C's were 5.2 and 5.1 and it probably should be an 8
:: or 9. Can anyone give me the name and/or cause of the condtion so
:: that I can pass the information to my health care provider ?

So, why are you eating out of control?

:: Thanks in Advance ...
::
:: Gary
Diabetic - 27 Jul 2006 06:05 GMT
The hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) test is a simple blood test that indicates
how well your diabetes has been controlled over the past three months.
Unlike daily blood glucose testing, which measures your blood glucose
level at the moment you test, the HbA1c test provides a broader picture
of your overall glucose control.

Hemoglobin is a protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen.
Hemoglobin picks up glucose from the bloodstream, becoming "glycated."
As blood glucose rises, so does the level of glycated hemoglobin.

Once hemoglobin becomes glycated, it remains that way for the life of
the red blood cell, which is three to four months. This means the HbA1c
test can provide a picture of your glucose control over several months.

Test results reflect the percentage of glycated hemoglobin in your
bloodstream. People without diabetes typically have an HbA1c level of
5%. Studies have shown that people with diabetes who are able to keep
their levels at 7% or less reduce their risk for complications such as
blindness, kidney diseases and nerve damage.

The American Diabetes Association recommends that people with
insulin-dependent diabetes have an HbA1c test four times per year and
that all other people with diabetes have test twice peer year. It is a
simple test that requires only one sample of blood. There is no need to
fast. The sample can be taken at any time of the day -- even right
after a meal.

HEMOGLOBIN A1c (%) EXPECTED VALUES
3-6% Non - Diabetic
6-9% Good Control
9% Fair to poor Control
Ma¢k - 27 Jul 2006 23:19 GMT
On 26 Jul 2006 22:05:23 -0700, "Diabetic"
<diabetesmilkpowder@gmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into
the madness of usenet:

>HEMOGLOBIN A1c (%) EXPECTED VALUES
>3-6% Non - Diabetic

depends on the lab.

>6-9% Good Control

not even close5-6% is good control

6-7% fair for a type 1 bad for a type 2

above 7% bad for everyone.

>9% Fair to poor Control

only if you accept crap as Fair.

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Diabetic - 29 Jul 2006 03:16 GMT
> On 26 Jul 2006 22:05:23 -0700, "Diabetic"
> <diabetesmilkpowder@gmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into
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Ma¢k - 31 Jul 2006 15:44 GMT
On 28 Jul 2006 19:16:05 -0700, "Diabetic"
<diabetesmilkpowder@gmail.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into
the madness of usenet:

>> On 26 Jul 2006 22:05:23 -0700, "Diabetic"
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>The above data obtain from PathLab

Like I said only if you accept crap as fair.

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TigerLily - 31 Jul 2006 19:22 GMT
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look for the AACE guidelines

they recommend no higher than 6.5 i believe

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> On 28 Jul 2006 19:16:05 -0700, "Diabetic"
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Wes Groleau - 28 Jul 2006 01:43 GMT
> I remember glancinc at an article about someone who had an abnormally
> low HBA1C some time ago. Well I think the same thing has happened to
> me. MY last two A1C's were 5.2 and 5.1 and it probably should be an 8
> or 9. Can anyone give me the name and/or cause of the condtion so that
> I can pass the information to my health care provider ?

A Usenet article or a print article?

I've posted occasionally that I got down to 4.9

But that was on a diet that had me losing a pound a day.

With a more sensible diet, I'm staying around 5.5

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