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Chemical hepatitis and diabetes

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MaryL - 29 Jun 2006 03:46 GMT
Is anyone familiar with chemical hepatitis?  I had never heard of it, but a
friend has just been diagnosed with it.  Apparently it can be caused by
enviornmental factors, but little (if anything) is known about specific
chemicals that might be the culprit.  He has diabetes, and his doctor told
him that the two are often linked.  It's frightening -- no treatment, can be
very dangerous, and apparently not rare.

MaryL
bj - 29 Jun 2006 04:48 GMT
Try Google. I got a number of hits on the subject.
bj

> Is anyone familiar with chemical hepatitis?  I had never heard of it, but
> a friend has just been diagnosed with it.  Apparently it can be caused by
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> MaryL
MaryL - 29 Jun 2006 05:31 GMT
I already did that but found it difficult to wade through a lot of the
sites.  I hoped someone here would know something about the subject and be
able to give a very "brief" explanation "in plain English."

MaryL

> Try Google. I got a number of hits on the subject.
> bj
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>> MaryL
John Inzer - 29 Jun 2006 05:50 GMT
> I already did that but found it difficult to wade through
> a lot of the sites.  I hoped someone here would know
> something about the subject and be able to give a very
> "brief" explanation "in plain English."
> MaryL
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I know it's not what you asked for...but the
following articles seem pretty informative to me:

Hepatitis as a Result of Chemicals and Drugs
http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz/Atoz/dc/caz/infc/hepa/hepres.jsp

Toxic Hepatitis
http://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/epi_manual/toxic_hepatitis.pdf

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MaryL - 29 Jun 2006 06:28 GMT
>> I already did that but found it difficult to wade through
>> a lot of the sites.  I hoped someone here would know
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> Toxic Hepatitis
> http://www.idph.state.ia.us/adper/common/pdf/epi_manual/toxic_hepatitis.pdf

Yes, those are very good (and easy to understand).  Thank you very much!
These articles don't explain why there would be a higher incidence of
chemical hepatitis among diabetics, but they have given me a good start on
understanding some environmental factors or the ingestion of certain
chemicals (including medication -- which I suppose *might* be the beginning
of an explanation for the relationship between this disease and diabetes).

MaryL
stan.gula@gmail.com - 29 Jun 2006 17:40 GMT
> Yes, those are very good (and easy to understand).  Thank you very much!
> These articles don't explain why there would be a higher incidence of
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> MaryL

I think you need to think about it the other way around.  If some
chemical exposure can cause hepatitis, it could also cause diabetes (by
freaking out the pancreas).  

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MaryL - 29 Jun 2006 18:13 GMT
>> Yes, those are very good (and easy to understand).  Thank you very much!
>> These articles don't explain why there would be a higher incidence of
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> chemical exposure can cause hepatitis, it could also cause diabetes (by
> freaking out the pancreas).

Yes, that's possible.  My concern is twofold in asking the question in the
other way -- First, my friend has had diabetes for many years and now has
chemical hepatitis.  His wife said that the hepatitis is very bad (already
has jaundice, etc.) and there appears to be no treatment.  So, I am very
concerned for them.  Second, I think about myself -- I was diagnosed with T2
two years ago and adopted a complete dietary change (which he did not do),
with resulting weight loss and BG kept completely within normal range
(averaging slightly under 100) with no diabetes medication for more than a
year.  I had never heard of chemical hepatitis, but his wife tells me that
it is not rare, and there seems be a link to diabetis.

MaryL
oldal4865 - 29 Jun 2006 20:59 GMT
MaryL wrote in message ...
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>MaryL

I interpret some of your comments to mean that you are a bit nervous about
your chances of chemical hepatitis since you too are diabetic.

Chemical hepatitis by definition is caused by an attack by "chemicals"   (I
would imagine that alcohol is the most common agent though Tylenol can do
the job too).     I support Stan's comments:   if you are attacked by
chemicals,  it's reasonable that they might attack the pancreas also.   IOW,
a random attack caused the damage.

I would expect Diabetics to have just as many and just as few random attacks
as non-diabetics though Rezulin could have skewed the numbers 10 years ago.

Regards
 Old Al
MaryL - 29 Jun 2006 23:20 GMT
> MaryL wrote in message ...
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> Regards
>  Old Al

Thanks.  I probably didn't make my comments very clear, especially because I
really don't have an understanding of the relationship.  I'm not sitting
around worrying about this except for my concern for my friend and his
family.  At the same time, I know that diabetics *do* face a horde of
possible complications, and it looks like now there may be one more. From
what his doctor said, it's not just that the general population is at risk;
the doctor specifically said that a large percentage of thos who have
chemical hepatitis are diabetics.  (On the other hand, he did not say what
percentage of diabetics have chemical hepatitis!)

MaryL
Jenny - 30 Jun 2006 02:16 GMT
 At the same time, I know that diabetics *do* face a horde of
> possible complications, and it looks like now there may be one more. From
> what his doctor said, it's not just that the general population is at risk;
> the doctor specifically said that a large percentage of thos who have
> chemical hepatitis are diabetics.  (On the other hand, he did not say what
> percentage of diabetics have chemical hepatitis!)

Mary,

I have not heard of chemical hepatitis being listed as one of the very
many complications of diabetes, ever.  Rezulin did cause liver damage
before it was taken off the market, and there are a very few  reports of
Avandia and Actos causing liver damage, too.  It's possible the statins
can also cause liver damage.

So while it is possible to damage the liver by taking drugs, diabetes
itself is not known to harm the liver.
--Jenny

http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes  Diabetes Info

http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
Sugar Under Control
MaryL - 30 Jun 2006 03:45 GMT
>  At the same time, I know that diabetics *do* face a horde of
>> possible complications, and it looks like now there may be one more. From
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> http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood
> Sugar Under Control

Thanks, Jenny.

MaryL
 
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