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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / June 2006And I was doing so well, too....
Hi again. I'm still here, lurking and reading mostly (when I can get past all the religious crap and sniping). You might remember me from earlier this spring. I was DX in late February and I've been adjusting pretty well to this new way of life. I went to the diabetes clinic at my doctor's office last Tuesday for a checkup. My A1C was 5.5, down from 8.7 when I was first diagnosed. I've lost 32 pounds and was doing really well on Metformin 500mgX2 since early March. The doctor was quite impressed and I've stuck to the restricted carb diet with only one or two "splurges" since February. So everything was good and I was feeling pretty proud of myself. Then, I woke up with a sore throat and chest cold on Thursday. Had a couple of hours of severe vertigo on Saturday and spoke to the nurse about it and it settled down and didn't return. OTC meds and lots of rest since then, but the cold just hangs on and on. BG readings were pretty good all during this. Until this morning. For no reason that I can discern, my FBG this morning was 198 (it's usually between 100-110). I made my typical eggs with fake bacon bits and a glass of orange Crystal Light for breakfast. Then I took a fairly brisk walk. 25 minutes later BG was 171. An hour after that it was 227. Another hour later, and it's 141. Honestly, I feel like crap. Tired but tense all at the same time. Weird. I've got a call in to my doctor, but she hasn't returned my call yet. What do you do to lower the BG when it goes up like that? I assume it must have something to do with the summer cold I've got that I can't seem to get rid of. Jeanie -- still a newbie with a lot to learn > Hi again. I'm still here, lurking and reading mostly (when I can get past > all the religious crap and sniping). You might remember me from earlier [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jeanie -- still a newbie with a lot to learn Jeanie, I'd just wait it out, drinking plenty of fluids for both the cold and the BG. Remember that dehydration can elevate BG -- as well as illness, some meds, time of month, stress, etc. Are you running a fever? Seriously, I'd hit the sofa with a good murder mystery and a big glass of something non-sugary to drink. One an hour or so. And take a nap. Feel better soon! Priscilla >> Hi again. I'm still here, lurking and reading mostly (when I can >> get past all the religious crap and sniping). You might remember me [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Priscilla Thanks, Priscilla, for your response. That's pretty much what I've been doing, just lolling today. No, I've not had a fever at all with this cold, just feel really tired and worn out, stuffed up. The BG was down to 91 an hour ago, so that's not so bad. I can understand spikes from eating the wrong thing, but this one came out of no where and really threw me for a loop. Jeanie >>> Hi again. I'm still here, lurking and reading mostly (when I can >>> get past all the religious crap and sniping). You might remember me [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Jeanie I'm glad that you've done so well - it sounds like you've accomplished the necessary life style change. FWIW - I think the consensus now is that it's not so much the cholesterol you eat as the saturated fats that your body uses to make cholesterol that is the problem. I'm not familiar with the Crystal Light - is it fairly high in carbs? If you've been pushing that as one of your liquids could it be contributing? > I'm not familiar with the Crystal Light - is it fairly high in carbs? If > you've been pushing that as one of your liquids could it be contributing? Crystal Light is artificially sweetened. Aspartame, I think. Priscilla : I'm not familiar with the Crystal Light - is it fairly high in carbs? If : you've been pushing that as one of your liquids could it be contributing? Crystal Light is about a 0 carb drink mix tht comes in many flavors. some drink it as a kind fo fake orange juice. Wendy :: I'm glad that you've done so well - it sounds like you've :: accomplished the necessary life style change. FWIW - I think the :: consensus now is that it's not so much the cholesterol you eat as :: the saturated fats that your body uses to make cholesterol that is :: the problem. And where did you get that "consensus"? > I'm glad that you've done so well - it sounds like you've accomplished the > necessary life style change. FWIW - I think the consensus now is that it's > not so much the cholesterol you eat as the saturated fats that your body > uses to make cholesterol that is the problem.> Wrong-o! Your body makes a lot of the bad cholesterol out of carbs, via triglycerides. If you pull your blood sugar way down and cut back on carbs, your cholesterol usually will plummet even if you are eating a very high percentage of sat fat. That was my experience over many years of eating that way. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control >> I'm glad that you've done so well - it sounds like you've accomplished the >> necessary life style change. FWIW - I think the consensus now is that it's [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > very high percentage of sat fat. That was my experience over many years > of eating that way. Thanks for the clarification. I've never had to worry much about cholesterol anyway - good heredity. > I went to the diabetes clinic at my doctor's office last Tuesday for a > checkup. My A1C was 5.5, down from 8.7 when I was first diagnosed. I've > lost 32 pounds and was doing really well on Metformin 500mgX2 since early > March. The doctor was quite impressed and I've stuck to the restricted carb > diet with only one or two "splurges" since February. So everything was good > and I was feeling pretty proud of myself. Jeanie, That is fabulous! > Until this morning. For no reason that I can discern, my FBG this morning > was 198 (it's usually between 100-110). I made my typical eggs with fake > bacon bits and a glass of orange Crystal Light for breakfast. Then I took a > fairly brisk walk. 25 minutes later BG was 171. An hour after that it was > 227. Another hour later, and it's 141. Honestly, I feel like crap. Tired > but tense all at the same time. Weird. Dehydration plus being sick sounds like one explanation. Give it a couple days and if it doesn't normalize double check that you didn't somehow screw up your test strips, for example, by leaving them in the hot sun or leaving the container open, then bug your doctor. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control >> I went to the diabetes clinic at my doctor's office last Tuesday for >> a checkup. My A1C was 5.5, down from 8.7 when I was first [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > That is fabulous! Thanks! I felt very proud of it. I haven't been back for my blood work yet (it's fasting and my appointment was the middle of the day, so I have to make another one with the lab this week) so I'm hoping that my cholesterol hasn't gone up with the diet change. I'm cutting carbs but eating a lot more eggs and meat than I used to, so I'm a bit worried about that. >> Until this morning. For no reason that I can discern, my FBG this >> morning was 198 (it's usually between 100-110). I made my typical [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > --Jenny I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just open a new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them even though they are new. I hadn't even considered that. I just tried using the control solution they gave me to test the strip and meter and it's right where it's supposed to be, so I guess it's me that's screwed up. <g> I try to drink plenty of fluids, water, Crystal Light, black coffee, and diet soda mostly. This is the first time I've been actually ill, though, since I was diagnosed in February, so I guess I'm learning stuff the hard way. Reading about it is one thing. Seeing those numbers right there on the meter is something else entirely. Jeanie > I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just open a > new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them even though > they are new. I hadn't even considered that. I just tried using the > control solution they gave me to test the strip and meter and it's right > where it's supposed to be, so I guess it's me that's screwed up. <g> When my meter was reading almost 50 mg/dl too high compared to lab, the control solution was within range all the time. It's a good idea when you open a new box of strips to test once with the last strip and once with the new strip to see if there is a huge difference. With my bad strips, the difference was 30 mg/dl on a reading near 100. What kind of meter do you have? I had several boxes of Aviva strips that were all reading much too high and the pharmacist told me I wasn't the only one. Re the cholesterol readings and your diet. It may take several months for the cholesterol to improve if you are losing weight. My doctor told me this. So if your blood sugar is much better and you are losing weight, don't sweat the cholesterol reading. Also pay attention to your triglycerides and HDL, rather than the total. If the triglycerides have gone down and the HDL has gone up, you have improved your health no matter what the total is.  Signature--Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control >> I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just >> open a new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > that were all reading much too high and the pharmacist told me I > wasn't the only one. I'm using an Ascensia Contour. I'm at 83 right now, which is about four hours after a pretty big midday meal, and that's about where I usually am at this time of day, so I think the strips are probably ok. I just had a really high morning. I feel much better this evening, though. > Re the cholesterol readings and your diet. It may take several months > for the cholesterol to improve if you are losing weight. My doctor [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > total. If the triglycerides have gone down and the HDL has gone up, > you have improved your health no matter what the total is. I'll keep that in mind when I get the test results back. Thanks. Jeanie >> I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just open a >> new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them even though >> they are new. I hadn't even considered that. I just tried using the >> control solution they gave me to test the strip and meter and it's right >> where it's supposed to be, so I guess it's me that's screwed up. <g> > When my meter was reading almost 50 mg/dl too high compared to lab, the > control solution was within range all the time. It's a good idea when > you open a new box of strips to test once with the last strip and once > with the new strip to see if there is a huge difference. With my bad > strips, the difference was 30 mg/dl on a reading near 100. > What kind of meter do you have? I had several boxes of Aviva strips that > were all reading much too high and the pharmacist told me I wasn't the > only one. What I like about my Accucheck Compact is that the strips come in a drum with a bar code which the meter reads. The makers claim that the bar code contains calibration information for that batch of strips which the meter uses to adjust itself. I've tested it carefully, and it's certainly a great deal more accurate than whatever dreadful meter it is that Ray's using, unless he's just misleading himself by misinterpreting stuff he reads on the web. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>> I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just open a >>> new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them even though [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >it is that Ray's using, unless he's just misleading himself by >misinterpreting stuff he reads on the web. Hey professor Do you ever have trouble with the Compact and the sipper on the sticks? Sometimes I can't get the damn stick to suck up the blood sample. _____________________________________ http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free : >>> I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just open a : >>> new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them even though [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] : >it is that Ray's using, unless he's just misleading himself by : >misinterpreting stuff he reads on the web. : Hey professor : Do you ever have trouble with the Compact and the sipper on the : sticks? Sometimes I can't get the damn stick to suck up the blood : sample. : _____________________________________ : http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free I have not had that problem and sometimes the blood drop is quite small and it still sips up, rings and performs its little test. Wendy >>>> I know I haven't done anything with the test strips, but I did just open a >>>> new package of them. Maybe there's something wrong with them even though [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>it is that Ray's using, unless he's just misleading himself by >>misinterpreting stuff he reads on the web. > Hey professor > Do you ever have trouble with the Compact and the sipper on the > sticks? No. > Sometimes I can't get the damn stick to suck up the blood > sample. Do you need spectacles for close work? SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] snoopy happy dance on your A1c ! ! bet it feels good to be in the 5% club ! ! ! kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > Hi again. I'm still here, lurking and reading mostly (when I can get past > all the religious crap and sniping). You might remember me from earlier [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Jeanie -- still a newbie with a lot to learn > I went to the diabetes clinic at my doctor's office last Tuesday for a > checkup. My A1C was 5.5, down from 8.7 when I was first diagnosed. I've > lost 32 pounds and was doing really well on Metformin 500mgX2 since early > March. The doctor was quite impressed and I've stuck to the restricted > carb diet with only one or two "splurges" since February. So everything > was good and I was feeling pretty proud of myself. Wow, Jeanie - good for you! I hope you're feeling better now. I haven't yet had the kind of illness that pushes bgs up, I'm not looking forward to it! I like the sound of the settee-with-a-book-and-a-drink advice, personally - I'm not sure you should be exercising whilst your bgs are so volatile. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> I went to the diabetes clinic at my doctor's office last Tuesday for >> a checkup. My A1C was 5.5, down from 8.7 when I was first [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > should be exercising whilst your bgs are so volatile. > Nicky. Well, several weeks ago, I "splurged" on a very small chocolate shake which I had been wanting for months. I had it along with a hamburger steak, pickles, green onions and a couple of slices of tomato (trying to pretend I was eating a hamburger, I guess). It shot my BG up to nearly 300 and I felt like a guitar string someone had twanged. I took a long very brisk walk and it did bring it down probably quicker than it would have come down otherwise. The doctor had told me that exercise would help lower BG, so I gave it a shot. I was still learning what I can eat and what I can't and I truly thought that a small amount of chocolate shake wouldn't hurt me, but I'll not be doing THAT again! Anyway, when I had the high reading this morning, going for a walk was about the only thing I could think of to try to lower it. Jeanie This post not CC'd by email >I was still learning what I can eat and what I can't and I truly thought >that a small amount of chocolate shake wouldn't hurt me, but I'll not be >doing THAT again! G'day G'day Jeanie, It is called living and learning. We have to give ourselves permission to make the occasional mistake so we can learn from the experience. Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > I was still learning what I can eat and what I can't and I truly thought > that a small amount of chocolate shake wouldn't hurt me, but I'll not be > doing THAT again! Or find a substitute - dark chocolate cocoa powder, a couple of spoonfuls of a naturally low carb icecream, sweeten with Splenda and top it with low-carb milk and blend. Should be an OK occasional treat? I find that I need a few treats, or I'm at risk of falling off the wagon. I'm also quite enjoying low-carb cooking : ) Glad your bgs are more normal! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg : Well, several weeks ago, I "splurged" on a very small chocolate shake which : I had been wanting for months. I had it along with a hamburger steak, : pickles, green onions and a couple of slices of tomato (trying to pretend I : was eating a hamburger, I guess). It shot my BG up to nearly 300 and I felt : like a guitar string someone had twanged. I took a long very brisk walk and : it did bring it down probably quicker than it would have come down : otherwise. The doctor had told me that exercise would help lower BG, so I : gave it a shot. : I was still learning what I can eat and what I can't and I truly thought : that a small amount of chocolate shake wouldn't hurt me, but I'll not be : doing THAT again! : Anyway, when I had the high reading this morning, going for a walk was about : the only thing I could think of to try to lower it. : Jeanie If you really lust for shocolate try the Lindt 85% cocoa chocolate bars. I will have 2 squares , which contain 4 carbs for the both as a treat. also try some of the make in a blender no sugar chocolate shke things. Not as good as the "real" stuff, but it can satisfy that urge. I don't know if Alba still makes them as I have not had them fo ryers. maybe someone here has a home made recipe for one of these. Wendy >> Well, several weeks ago, I "splurged" on a very small chocolate shake > which : I had been wanting for months. I had it along with a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Wendy A friend I have on another forum who is also diabetic advised me to make a shake at home with sugar fee ice cream and sugar free chocolate syrup the next time I want something like that. I hadn't even thought about sugar free ice cream until she said that, but I've since bought a small container of Breyers Butter Pecan in the sugar free version and it's really not bad at all. Tastes like heaven when you haven't had anything like that in several months and thought you never could again. LOL Jeanie > A friend I have on another forum who is also diabetic advised me to make a > shake at home with sugar fee ice cream and sugar free chocolate syrup the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all. Tastes like heaven when you haven't had anything like that in several > months and thought you never could again. LOL Jeanie, If you read the carb count on the "Sugar Free" version of the ice cream, you'll see it is at least as high as the regular. They've substituted Maltitol or another sugar alcohol for sugar. Maltitol can raise blood sugar quite significantly for many of us with diabetes. If you test the maltitol, test it an hour or so AFTER you'd test something with regular carbs, as it breaks down more slowly. I found the Russell Stover "sugar free" candies raised my blood sugar almost as much as the regular ones, but an hour later. Unfortunately, in our region, at least, they've discontinued all the low carb ice creams. I'd suggest making your chocolate shakes with cocoa, cream or half and half, water, and a DaVinci sugar free syrup. --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > > A friend I have on another forum who is also diabetic advised me to make a > > shake at home with sugar fee ice cream and sugar free chocolate syrup the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Unfortunately, in our region, at least, they've discontinued all the low > carb ice creams. I found a few cartons of the Turkey Hill CarbIQ ice cream in Shaws last night, including a flavor that I don't remember from last summer. There were also some varieties (sorry, I don't remember brands) that look like they're re-labeled low-carb ice cream, the same was the Hood Carb Countdown stuff appears to have been relabeled. SignatureAF >>> A friend I have on another forum who is also diabetic advised me to make a >>> shake at home with sugar fee ice cream and sugar free chocolate syrup the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > they're re-labeled low-carb ice cream, the same was the Hood Carb > Countdown stuff appears to have been relabeled. All that I've seen the past few weeks in Stop & Shop and Big Y for any brand is the sugar free, high maltitol stuff. But I stopped eating the low carb stuff a year or so ago when they reformulated it with lacitol. My system treats lacitol like Draino. With my current regimen I'm no longer having to low carb stringently, which is a treat. But I find I still can't eat ice cream very often because even when my blood sugar tests out okay, something in ice cream puts me to sleep! Narcolepsy on a plate. <sigh> --Jenny http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes Diabetes Info http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/newlydiagnosed.htm Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control > A friend I have on another forum who is also diabetic advised me to make a > shake at home with sugar fee ice cream and sugar free chocolate syrup the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > really not bad at all. Tastes like heaven when you haven't had anything > like that in several months and thought you never could again. LOL Check the label on the icecream, Jeanie - the regular sugar coffee icecream I'm eating at the moment is 11g carbs / 100g, and tastes fantastic... not to mention a zillionth of the price of the sugar-free stuff. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg : >> Well, several weeks ago, I "splurged" on a very small chocolate shake : > which : I had been wanting for months. I had it along with a [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] : > : > Wendy : A friend I have on another forum who is also diabetic advised me to make a : shake at home with sugar fee ice cream and sugar free chocolate syrup the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : all. Tastes like heaven when you haven't had anything like that in several : months and thought you never could again. LOL : Jeanie i find the Breyers kid of grainy and prefer the Edy's no sugar added, LOW fat ice cream. The no fat is the pits and tastes plaxtic and contains more carbs as they have to put thickeners into it for texture (but they miss). the drinks I was suggesting are lower in fat and caloried, (like 70 a portion) and use the powder which has skim milk in it and ice cubes, which contribute to the slsight thickness of these drinks. Losugar icecream and sugar free chocolate syrup and some milk woudl tast much better, bu twould be higher in calories so might be a less frequent treat. Wendy This post not CC'd by email >Hi again. I'm still here, lurking and reading mostly (when I can get past >all the religious crap and sniping). You might remember me from earlier [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >diet with only one or two "splurges" since February. So everything was good >and I was feeling pretty proud of myself. G'day G'day Jeanie, "Was" feeling pretty proud of myself. Heck woman, I think you should still be feeling proud of yourself. An A1c down from 8.7 to 5.5 is fabulous. Don't you forget it. Don't let anyone least of all your self take that away from you. >Then, I woke up with a sore throat and chest cold on Thursday. Had a couple >of hours of severe vertigo on Saturday and spoke to the nurse about it and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >227. Another hour later, and it's 141. Honestly, I feel like crap. Tired >but tense all at the same time. Weird. Most likely it sounds to most of us here like something we have heard many times before. An incipient infection cause blood glucose to go haywire. It is temporary and just something we go through. My mother used to have her remedy for such things. We hated it because it worked and that meant we didn't get a day off school like the other kids. It was many years latter when I was doing research on the validity of claims for functional foods that I came across all the reasons why her remedy worked. In a glass place one teaspoon of blackcurrant jam. Blackcurrant provides more active material than echinacea, more than ten times as much. Echinacea got some bad press recently when it was shown to have no more effect than a placebo. Those who wanted to believe that were very happy. Those who didn't pointed out that the dose used was about a tenth of what was usually prescribed. The point is blackcurrent has substances that stimulate the bodies natural defenses rather effectively. Then add ginger. In those days it was dried ginger powder. It was the only ginger available to us. Ginger works in several ways. Firstly is improves circulation. This helps the active ingredients from the black currant get to every tissue. Secondly ginger is more effective than Dramamine in preventing nausea. If one gets aching limbs from the flu, a slice of green ginger under the tongue makes the aches disappear almost immediately. Thirdly she added bush honey. Now we know that manuka honey has UMF, unidentified manuka factor which kills of bacteria rather efficiently. You probably can't obtain that where you live and wouldn't want to add honey anyway. The good stuff with a high UMF is expensive even in New Zealand. >I've got a call in to my doctor, but she hasn't returned my call yet. What >do you do to lower the BG when it goes up like that? I assume it must have >something to do with the summer cold I've got that I can't seem to get rid >of. We assume you are assuming correctly until a better assumption appears. >Jeanie -- still a newbie with a lot to learn Aren't we all and don't we all, Best wishes, SignatureQuentin Grady ^ ^ / New Zealand, >#,#< [ / \ /\ "... and the blind dog was leading." http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/quentin > This post not CC'd by email > [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > Best wishes, I think you said you were taking some OTC stuff for your cold, Decongestants and other cold remedies can cause Spikes! SignatureTrials Make Us Stronger Until the next great backpack, Happy Trails PackMule64 > I think you said you were taking some OTC stuff for your cold, > Decongestants and other cold remedies can cause Spikes! Yes, I found that out. I've been taking Dayquil all week. I hope it's not the culprit. Without it I don't think I'd be able to function at all. Jeanie > G'day G'day Jeanie, > > "Was" feeling pretty proud of myself. Heck woman, I think you should > still be feeling proud of yourself. An A1c down from 8.7 to 5.5 is > fabulous. Don't you forget it. Don't let anyone least of all your > self take that away from you. Oh, I won't. I do feel proud of that. I've worked very hard to get it there. > Most likely it sounds to most of us here like something we have heard > many times before. An incipient infection cause blood glucose to go [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > honey anyway. The good stuff with a high UMF is expensive even in New > Zealand. I'm assuming that I add water to the glass after the black currant jam and the ginger? I'm not sure if I can even find black currant jam, but I'll look for it. I would be afraid of the honey, especially when the BG was already high. With my luck, I'd pass out and scare my kids to death. I've been wanting to use the old hot toddy with honey and lemon for this cold, but have been afraid to. >> I've got a call in to my doctor, but she hasn't returned my call >> yet. What do you do to lower the BG when it goes up like that? I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Best wishes, Thank you, Quentin. Jeanie |
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