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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / June 2006Nutrisystem "Diabetic Type II" diet plan???
I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - on metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective is to lose about 20# and keep it off. Nutrisystem advertising looks good (of course), and my physicians both say that some of their patients have reported good results - though insurance doesn't cover this sort of program. I'd like to hear from other T2s regarding effectiveness and opinions. Any thoughts? > I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - > on metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Any thoughts? Ask them if the diet is okay for diabetics. They'll likely say it isn't. My husband's friend's wife use to work for one of those places. Not sure if it was them or Jenny Craig, but they didn't take on people with medical problems like diabetes. Much of their diet includes desserts, muffins, cereal and other carby foods. And it's expensive!!!  SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm I have a friend on Nutrisystem right now, she is lowering her cholesterol but not losing much weight. Costs about $500 a month, plus fresh fruits and veggies. I've been on the www.glucerna.com diabetic diet for two weeks, and have lost 6 lbs. and my blood sugars have stabilized. I've even reduced my insulin 10 u! I am severely overweight (295 lbs.) and my regular fasting bg before this was about 185. Now I wake up and it is in the 110's. This is awesome! I'm not hungry, either. They add activity to your program, and have really good recipes. This is all FREE! Anyways, enough of the testimonial, I'm just happy to find something to help ME and thought I'd share the news. > > I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - > > on metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > problems like diabetes. Much of their diet includes desserts, muffins, > cereal and other carby foods. And it's expensive!!! >I have a friend on Nutrisystem right now, she is lowering her >cholesterol but not losing much weight. Costs about $500 a month, plus [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Anyways, enough of the testimonial, I'm just happy to find something to >help ME and thought I'd share the news. I've always questioned the viability of what I call these voodoo type diets where you have to spend a horrible amount of money for special food. There are many like this. What can they do that you cannot do on your own? My answer is - absolutely nothing. It takes discipline and a strong desire to stay on any type of diet. If you have the desire and discipline to stay on weight watchers or this glucerna diet for a period of time, then why can't you do the same on your own? The moment you go off one of these overpriced voodoo diets, you most likely will return to your previous eating style. ALL diets fail. You cannot attain long term weight loss with these money grubbing diets, or any type of diet unless you change your life style. Diabetes is one hell of a reason to change your lifestyle. You either change your lifestyle, or kiss your a.s goodbye quite quickly. _____________________________________ http://www.healthdiabeticsoftware.com/ Free You make me feel very very good! Your BG is in the 110s? I have finally got mine down to 125 in the mornings. -- MDS (Mister Doctor Sir) > I have a friend on Nutrisystem right now, she is lowering her > cholesterol but not losing much weight. Costs about $500 a month, plus [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > See my webpage: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm In contemporary era most of the people are facing "overweight" problem and they don't have enough time for joining gym and aerobics so it become a good idea of taking low crab diets in your nutrition. If you want to reduce your weight then you can try low crab diets like 1) In breakfast: a) Southwestern Breakfast Bake b) Berry-Lemon Cornmeal Biscuits c) Hash Brown Strata 2) In Dinner: Filet Mignon with Portobello Sauce Just a splash of Madeira or port wine makes this buttery, meltingly tender steak-and-mushroom dish simply marvelous. 3/4 cup steamed green beans 1/3 cup blueberries Sparkling water For More Information about Low Crab Diet you can just click on: http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/Health-living/crab-diets/index.asp > I have a friend on Nutrisystem right now, she is lowering her > cholesterol but not losing much weight. Costs about $500 a month, plus [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > See my webpage: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > In contemporary era most of the people are facing "overweight" > problem and they don't have enough time for joining gym and aerobics [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > b) Berry-Lemon Cornmeal Biscuits > c) Hash Brown Strata Well, they may be low-crab, but those sound potentially high in carbohydrates. > 2) In Dinner: > Filet Mignon with Portobello Sauce [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > http://www.medical-health-care-information.com/Health-living/crab-diets/index. > asp Not into seafood, eh? Priscilla I knew a lady who worked for NutriSystem. She called the food "NutriCrap." It's expensive. Here's a simple plan that has worked for many diabetics and costs nothing: 1. Eliminate all sugars and starches from your diet. 2. Replace them with non-starch veggies that have complex carbs that digest slowly and in small amounts. 3. Walk every day. Get a pedometer and go for 10,000 steps a day. 4. Eat 5 to 8 nuts between meals to avoid hunger. 5. Drink lots of water.Take your vitamins. If you're addicted to fast carbs as many are, you may have to devise your own phase-out plan for step one. Best wishes. > I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - on > metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective is to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Any thoughts? > Here's a simple plan that has worked for many diabetics and costs nothing: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > If you're addicted to fast carbs as many are, you may have to devise your > own phase-out plan for step one. ===> "Noguru" <notaguru@gmail.com> wrote in message ===> mc38122@gmail.com Folks, Uncle Enrico has given you some very simple easy to follow advice in 5 steps. Without as much as reading it I have pretty much followed this by doing my own research. It works. It is working for at three other people I know who had similar unpleasant shock of discovering diabetes. Personally I do take plenty of greens, darker the better and exclusively use Olive oil for cooking. I have for most part stayed away from fried foods, Rice and Wheat. I have lost close to 30 lbs since dxed, my total cholesterol now is 111 and LDL is 59. My A1c is in the range of 5.2-5.4. So what you have here is a very simple adivice delivered free. If you feel you need to pay $500 per month to some one to get good advice I am sure "Uncle Enrico would be too happy to suggest a charity of his choice :-). On a serious note, my own experience is that while diabetes is one hell of a complicated handicap, the treatment at least at the initial stages is about the same and is captured in nutshell by Uncle Enrico above. What is indeed tough is to accept is that the lifestyle change needed is for rest of your life. Most us are aiming for a water fall model where we remain complication free up until the moment comes. You do need some luck for maximum smooth stretch. Anil Thanks, Anil. A word about fruit. You can eat fruit. My policy is...a large apple a day...1/3rd of it at a time with at least two hours in between. It's better for me to eat my fruit portion between meals. You can safely eat small portions of cantaloupe, most melons, blue berries, and strawberries. Just remember that fructose is a sugar so eat sparingly, and test yourself to see how much you can handle!!! Don't forget. Lemons and limes are fruit. You can a lot of them with sweetener. Now go do the right thing and have near normal blood sugars!! Live a long, healthy life. :) >I knew a lady who worked for NutriSystem. She called the food "NutriCrap." > It's expensive. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Any thoughts? Let's not forget that tomatoes and avocadoes are also fruit. During the summer, I often eat a large avocado with fresh lime juice and have good blood sugars after. I've never worried about the fat content of the avocado and have good lipids and gain no weight. This is an item that can make you feel good about any sacrifices you're making with sugars and starches. If you're getting plenty of green veggies, you won't miss the sugars and starches because those veggies will give you a nice, steady, slow stream of carb to keep your blood glucose levels steady. The real task is learning how to make veggies your favorite food. The number one tip by most on this diet: garlic and olive oil. >I knew a lady who worked for NutriSystem. She called the food "NutriCrap." > It's expensive. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Any thoughts? > I knew a lady who worked for NutriSystem. She called the food "NutriCrap." > It's expensive. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Any thoughts? We have go give up jelly beans? > We have go give up jelly beans? Nope! You can have 1 every 6 hrs :-). Make it every 4 hrs if you realy feel super-deprived. Anil > I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - > on metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Any thoughts? I recommend that you look at Richard Berstein's "Diabetes Solution" book. He's an M.D. been living with type 1 for 60 years - not many people can say that. He has several chapters on diet. I was diagnosed type 2 a year ago. By increasing exercise and severely limiting carbs, my most recent A1C test was 5.2 (down from 5.6 in January). I believe that most 'diabetic diets' include way too much carbs. Ray is absolutely correct. I've been a big fan of Dr. Bernstein and have mostly followed his advice, but not as strictly as he advises. I've kept my A1C between 5.0 and 5.5 for 8 years. Bernstein argues that fast carbs are addictive and I know this to be true in my case. He also argues that you are entitled to normal blood sugars. You just have to figure out how to do it safely. Here's a link to his website where he gives away much of his best information for free. http://www.diabetesincontrol.com/bernstein/ >> I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - >> on metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > A1C test was 5.2 (down from 5.6 in January). I believe that most 'diabetic > diets' include way too much carbs. Thanks for the input and advice. The Nutrisystem plan is supposedly tailored for T2 diabetics, with carbs taken from the Glycemic Index to produce slow-growing postprandial peaks. I ordered a five week starter package. Three meals a day plus two snacks for thirty five days cost $289, including shipping, for an average of $8.26/day. That's less than I was spending in the sandwich shop on the ground floor of my office building! The food arrived yesterday, it's all unrefrigerated, unfrozen, in a single 42-pound box. I spent a long time reading labels. Obviously, I cannot tell one carb from another on labels, but it's encouraging. After a surprisingly tasty lunch, dinner, breakfast, and now lunch again, my postprandial peaks are excellent. Four meals and three snacks in 24 hours equal about 1500 calories, and my appetite is fully controllable. I have only slight hope that this will "work" in the long term, but am giving it a try and will report. For $8/day I can afford to keep it in the office for anyone who gets hungry and can't find time to go out! noguru > Thanks for the input and advice. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > giving it a try and will report. For $8/day I can afford to keep it in > the office for anyone who gets hungry and can't find time to go out! I just went to their website and saw their program for type 2 diabetics. Here's what they have: Breakfast: Apple Granola Bar . Banana Spice Muffin . Blueberry Bran Muffin . Chocolate Chip Granola Bar . Cranberry Granola Bar . Frosted Oats Cereal . Lemon Poppyseed Muffin . NutriCinnamon Squares Cereal . NutriFlakes Cereal - 40% Bran Cereal . NutriFrosted Crunch Cereal . Pancake Mix . Scrambled Egg Mix with Cheese . Scrambled Eggs - Smoke Flavor . Scrambled Eggs with Peppers and Mushrooms None of these things would be doable for me. Of course if I didn't have the egg allergy, I might be able to do those. Lunch: Bacon and Cheddar Flavored Mashers . Beans and Ham Soup . Black Beans and Rice . Cheese Tortellini . Cheesy Pasta with Broccoli . Chicken Ala King with Noodles . Chicken and Pasta in Cacciatore Sauce . Chicken Noodle Soup . Chicken Salad . Chicken Stew with Barley . Chocolate Cookie Bar . Chocolate Drink . Chocolate Raspberry Bar . Cream of Broccoli Soup . Fudge Graham Bar . Hearty Minestrone Soup . Noodles with Chicken and Vegetables . Orange Creme Drink . Pasta with Beef . Sliced Ham . Strawberry Bar . Tomato and Corn Chowder . Tomato Sauce and Meatballs . Tuna Salad . Turkey Hot Dogs . Vanilla Drink . Vegetable Beef Soup . Vegetarian Sloppy Joe . Whipped Sweet Potatoes with Cheese Dinner: Basil Chicken with Tomato Sauce . BBQ Sauce over Beef, Beans and Rice . Beef and Mushroom Gravy with Orzo Pasta . Beef Stroganoff with Noodles . Beef Tacos . Burgundy Sauce and Beef with Rice . Chicken Breast Patty . Chicken Pasta Parmesan . Chicken Pizzaiola . Chicken Primavera with Pasta . Chicken with Almonds, Rice and Vegetables . Chicken with Marsala Sauce . Chili with Beans . Flame Broiled Beef Patty . Green Pepper Steak with Rice . Hearty Beef Stew . Homestyle Chicken Noodles with Gravy . Macaroni with Cheese and Beef . Mushroom Gravy Over Salisbury Steak and Rice . Orange Beef with Noodles . Pasta Fagioli . Pasta Primavera with Tofu . Roast Beef with Gravy and Penne Pasta . Rotini with Meatballs and Tomato Sauce . Southwestern Style Chicken with Sauce . Tender Beef with Vegetables . Teriyaki Sauce and Beef with Rice . Thai Style Noodles with Peanut Sauce and Tofu . Thin Crust Pizza with Cheese . Tuna Casserole . Turkey with Dumplings . Vegetable Lasagna with Meat Sauce . Zesty Cajun Style Chicken and Sausage with Wild Rice Snacks: Almond Biscotti . Apple Cinnamon Soy Chips . BBQ Soy Chips . Caramel Crunch Popcorn . Cheese and Garlic Pretzel Sticks . Chocolate Almond Pudding/Shake . Chocolate Chocolate Chip Macadamia Nut Biscotti . Chocolate Orange Pudding/Shake . Chocolate Peanut Butter Dessert Bar . Chocolate Pudding . Chocolate Shake . Crispy Nacho Soy Snackers . Crispy Ranch Soy Snackers . Double Chocolate Almond Cookie . Honey Mustard Pretzel Sticks . Hot Cocoa . Peanut Butter Cookie . Sour Cream and Onion Soy Chips . Soy Pretzels . Vanilla Pudding . White Cheddar Soy Chips . Zesty Herb Snack Mix Jeez! How many snacks do they think we eat? Why all the soy? And where are the vegetables? Ahhh... I see this part: All of our foods feature low Glycemic Index carbohydrates to help maintain normal glucose levels, and each one fits into a simple meal plan that is dietitian-approved. You just grab an entrée, add-in a few grocery items (like fresh fruits, vegetables, salads and dairy items), and you're ready to go. In fact, all of the NutriSystem Nourish foods are either ready to eat immediately, or prepare in just a couple of minutes in the microwave or by adding a little hot water. And you eat five times a day (meals and snacks about every 3-4 hours or so) to help reduce cravings between meals. There is no way I could eat 5 times a day. Not for me! SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > You just > grab an entrée, add-in a few grocery items (like fresh fruits, vegetables, > salads and dairy items), and you're ready to go. Hmmm... I base my meals on what veggies are nicest, and add protein to suit. So you still have to do almost all the shopping with this meal plan, and add all the stuff you should be concentrating on yourself! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >> You just >> grab an entrée, add-in a few grocery items (like fresh fruits, vegetables, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Nicky. Maybe, but I don't. I've been eating what came from the company, plus a small salad in the evening and a nearly zero-calorie fruit-flavored ice bar during the day. I have virtually no appetite, which is strange. One of the young people in my office keeps a large bowl of various candies on her desk, including sugarless varieties that she knows I like very much, but for the last few days I haven't even felt tempted! So far, so good. >>> You just >>> grab an entrée, add-in a few grocery items (like fresh fruits, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I've been eating what came from the company, plus a small salad in the > evening and a nearly zero-calorie fruit-flavored ice bar during the day. Then you're lacking a ton of nutrients, surely. You may be doing yourself a favour short-term, to kickstart weight loss - but I think you ought to be planning on moving the bulk of your diet over to veggies on your way to maintenance. I assume you're not planning on eating the processed stuff for the rest of your life! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/73/72Kg >>>> You just >>>> grab an entrée, add-in a few grocery items (like fresh fruits, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Nicky. No. I'm planning to lose a little weight using this GI-based diet, then to use that acquired discipline to maintain it. My PP BG after lunch and dinner yesterday were surprising (taken at +1, 2 and 3H, never above 125), and FBG this morning was that of a non-diabetic (94). I haven't seen such numbers in my diabetic life. Whatever's going on, I like it and will keep doing it. Ike >>>> You just >>>> grab an entrée, add-in a few grocery items (like fresh fruits, [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Nicky. Years ago I lost a lot of weight on Nutrisystem, and it worked out well for me. Unlike Julie, I am one who did very well on all the little snack type meals and the frequency of it. I never actually got hungry on their plan. If they have a diabetic program I might be very inclined to give it a shot again. SignatureBest Regards, Evelyn (to reply to me personally, remove 'sox') > Years ago I lost a lot of weight on Nutrisystem, and it worked out well for > me. Unlike Julie, I am one who did very well on all the little snack type > meals and the frequency of it. I never actually got hungry on their plan. > If they have a diabetic program I might be very inclined to give it a shot > again. About 17 years ago, I went on a diet of my own devices. It was based on foods that I liked. Two of my friends went on diets at the same time. One went on Jenny Craig and the other Nutrisystem. We all lost the same amount of weight at the same time. I exercised throughout. One friend refused to exercise because she didn't want to "bulk up". The other didn't decide to exercise until she lost most of the weight she needed to lose. She went to a health club, but quit a few months after she lost the weight. Both of my friends began getting very sick of the diet about two months before they lost all of their weight. Both spoke to their counselors begging for different food choices. They were told there were no other choices and if they wanted to lose the weight they'd have to stick with it. They also found they did not lose any weight unless they took the very expensive supplements sold by both places. It got to the point where not only could they no longer afford it, but they were sick of the pre-packaged food. After about the first two weeks, both said nothing really tasted good, except for the snacks. At that time, most of the snacks were various types of gummy or sour candies. My friends got so burned out, they quit before they reached the maintenance portion of the diet. Both went hog wild on the foods they'd been missing. One quickly put the weight back on. The other (the one who was exercising) managed to keep the weight off for a little while. I kept plodding along on the diet I had devised and managed to keep the weight off for 2 years. All this time I remained strict with my diet, refusing to eat some things and limiting others. I then met the man who is now my husband. He has very bad eating habits and unfortunately, I began eating like he did. What I didn't realize is that he didn't always eat like this. He's in the military and was used to being on a ship where they prepared all of his meals for him. The meals were always balanced and nutritious and whenever he was on a ship, he lost weight. He'd then get off the ship, eat junk and gain weight. Now it has all caught up with him! He is no longer on a ship and can't seem to manage a balanced or restricted diet for very long. I have no choice. What with my food allergies and medical problems, I have to follow a restricted diet. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > Hmmm... I base my meals on what veggies are nicest, and add protein to suit. > So you still have to do almost all the shopping with this meal plan, and add > all the stuff you should be concentrating on yourself! Me too. In a couple of hours, I'll be picking up my organic produce box. That will be the bulk of my food for the week, although I usually have to add a few fruits and veggies that aren't available that week through this particular farm. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > Jeez! How many snacks do they think we eat? Why all the soy? And where > are the vegetables? Ahhh... I see this part: All of our foods feature low [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > There is no way I could eat 5 times a day. Not for me! I'm pretty comfortable with it so far, and my appetite is not driving me to mistakes. The breakfast is very light, the snacks are minor, lunch is often trivial, etc. I especially like the evening snacks as they keep me away from more dangerous things. Yesterday and today my fasting BG was 20 pts lower than average, but of course I'll watch over a longer term to see if that continues. > > Thanks for the input and advice. > > [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > See my webpage: > http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm That doesn't sound very diabetic-friendly. There isn't much on the menu that I personally would eat. Are you sure that's the same diet that Noguru received? That doesn't sound very diabetic-friendly. There isn't much on the menu that I personally would eat. Are you sure that's the same diet that Noguru received? I got the info. straight from their website and it is their diabetic diet. SignatureSee my webpage: http://mysite.verizon.net/juliebove/index.htm > I'm male, in my mid-60s, in reasonable control with an A1c of about 6 - > on metformin. Too sedentary with some joint problems, so the objective [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Any thoughts? Have you already seen a licensed dietitian? If you haven't, I think that that is the best place to start. Hi, I was on nutrisystem about two years ago. I lost thirty pounds. I had the option of making the food choices so I chose those foods that were in lower in carbs. For me, I lost weight. Unfortunately, it wasnt any different than all the other diets I had been on in my life. I gained the weight back thankfully without more pounds added on. It is like any diet, If a person doesnt learn from it, the weight comes back. Now I maintain my weight, which is too much, by portion control and making better choices. I have had to accept this is who I am and that my self image is not connected to my body image. I just got back from the endo today. My cholesterol was 137 triglycerides 128 hdl 50 ldl 63 homocysteine 62 I am usually in the five per cent club, but due to issues in my life, today my aic was 6,1 which is too high for me. I found the food very good and I wasnt deprived so it worked while I was on it. Hopefully if you try it , you will be able to sustain the weight loss. Unfortunately , not too many do. Good luck Loretta -- In tribute to the United States of America and the State of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. |
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