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francis.leopold@hotmail.com - 28 Apr 2006 01:41 GMT
Hi everyone,

I was looking for a liquid, read drinkable anti oxidant.
I finally found a company called Vemma, they claim to have the
strongest liquidized anti oxidant from the Mangosteen fruit. And they
ship worldwide.
Does anyone know this product.
I was given this site www.myvemma.com/homebizz
It looks all very professional, but has anybody any knowledge about
this product or company
Jennifer - 28 Apr 2006 01:54 GMT
No one here knows anything about it.

But I'm sure the shill that comes along tomorrow... another first time
poster... will have much to say about the matter.

All of it crap.

Jennifer

> Hi everyone,
>
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> It looks all very professional, but has anybody any knowledge about
> this product or company
Julie Bove - 28 Apr 2006 02:59 GMT
> No one here knows anything about it.
>
> But I'm sure the shill that comes along tomorrow... another first time
> poster... will have much to say about the matter.
>
> All of it crap.

Yep!

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Anon - 28 Apr 2006 02:40 GMT
Do you work for Hormel? They are the producers of SPAM!

> Hi everyone,
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> It looks all very professional, but has anybody any knowledge about
> this product or company
BJ in Texas - 28 Apr 2006 13:43 GMT
|| Does anyone know this product.
|| I was given this site www.mywemma.com/homebuzz
|| It looks all very professional, but has anybody any knowledge
|| about this product or company

Yep! It's a scam and anyone advertising it is a spammer.

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Quentin Grady - 28 Apr 2006 19:55 GMT
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On 27 Apr 2006 17:41:56 -0700, francis.peepong@hotmail.com wrote:

>I was looking for a liquid, read drinkable anti oxidant.

Red wine is socially acceptable expecially Australian Shiraz.
Resveratrol in red wine has a well established reputation unlike high
priced substituted marketed by shills on the internet.

Black currant cordial is cheap and alcohol free. There are no deliver
charges and you can pick it from the local supermarket. Savvy shoppers
who have serious health problems eg diabetes will be delighted to know
that black currant cordial is covered by food and drug regulations
that have more bite than those that poor regulate supplements.

Yes, there are diabetic versions that have a low sugar content
something spammers never stop to consider because they are desperate
for their pathetic money making schemes to work.

For those who might be feeling the effects of winter coming on there
is this free family traditional recipe, black currant and ginger.

Another well respected choice is chicken soup made from real chicken
stock ie the stuff that uses real chicken carcasses for the stock.
The arginine from the marrow improves the immune system and repairs
damaged cells.  It even has a secret health ingredient, TLC that you
just can't buy from any multilevel marketing scam crap.

Best wishes on getting a life.  An education is often a good starting
point. It will cost you up front but might ensure you don't continue
to make a fool of yourself trying to scam better educated people than
yourself.

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W. Baker - 28 Apr 2006 21:28 GMT
: Another well respected choice is chicken soup made from real chicken
: stock ie the stuff that uses real chicken carcasses for the stock.
: The arginine from the marrow improves the immune system and repairs
: damaged cells.  It even has a secret health ingredient, TLC that you
: just can't buy from any multilevel marketing scam crap.

isn't that lovely to know!  I have been making and eating chicken sop f
rmany yers now.  always made form real chicken!  I make a pot of it at the
first sign of anyone in the house getting any symptom or sniffle.  Chicken
carrots, onions, celery, salt and pepper adn as a finishing touch when
almost done, fresh dill snipped in.  Now tht is food fo rthe gods even
witout the nodles or matzo balls:-)

Wendy
Quentin Grady - 29 Apr 2006 06:35 GMT
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>: Another well respected choice is chicken soup made from real chicken
>: stock ie the stuff that uses real chicken carcasses for the stock.
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>isn't that lovely to know!  I have been making and eating chicken sop f
>rmany yers now.  always made form real chicken!

G'day G'day Wendy,

Sometimes people rant and rave about fast foods and think that this
means food bought as take aways. All too often the fast foods that
make up a good proportion of some diets are the convenience foods we
cook at home. When it comes to packet soup, the temptation is to shop
on price. At the Farmers' market is a bloke who makes real stocks so
people can enjoy quality food even when they are in a hurry.  

> I make a pot of it at the
>first sign of anyone in the house getting any symptom or sniffle.  

Smart thinking.

>Chicken carrots, onions, celery, salt and pepper adn as a finishing
> touch when almost done, fresh dill snipped in.

Pepper is thought to be sweeter when added near the end of cooking.
What a lovely touch to add fresh dill before serving.
Plant breeders have spent years breeding bitter tastes out of many
vegetables. Along the way they have often bred out some of the
substances that promote health. Green herbs have been less subject to
this breeding out flavours. Amongst the many reasons for this are that
people want flavour from herbs and herbs are often propagated by
amateurs who are unlikely to change the plants very much anyway.
For this reason green herbs are often a refuge for important pigments
that humans depend on.  Take for instance zeaxanthin. That is the
orange pigment found in the macula of the eye.  We cannot manufacture
it from any other food substance. The body tries desperately to do so
by converting lutein, a yellow pigment in zeaxanthin. It doesn't quite
succeed and only gets as far as making meso-zeaxanthin which doesn't
work as well as the real stuff.  

So what has this got to do with YOUR chicken soup with fresh dill
snipped in.  Dill is an essentially untampered with form of greens
with intense pigmentation.  OK, it looks green because that is what
green herbs do but lurking hidden from our awareness is a generous
supply of genuine zeaxanthin, the stuff millions of years of humans
have come to depend on for fine vision.  Cilantro, parsley, basil all
contribute similarly to our well being ... if we make the habit as you
have done of adding some fresh.

> Now tht is food fo rthe gods even witout the nodles or matzo balls:-)

And for humans who are looking forward to a better future.

>Wendy

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Anil - 29 Apr 2006 09:55 GMT
Good day Quentin Grady!

Another classic  Quentin the educator using frying out the shriller
while prying out the goodness from all things we have forgotten we
should be eating. Oh Quentin, you give me so much strength of
conviction.

While I have not yet perfected cooking with fresh dill, I do use rather
excessive amount of coriander in my cooking. I always liked coriander
but ever since dxed I have taken every opportunity to go after every
green vegetable I can grab and make effort to develop taste for it.
Once ther I do devour it. Few vegetables I have added are bitter melon
(Momordica   Charantia), and fresh leaves of fenugreek. I have been
pleasantly surprised how wonderfully they have allowed my body to
pretend that it is actually healing. I almost want to say I am healing!

For those who want to dare, try making a juice out of this melon and
drink half glass first thing in the morning. It's a tradition
medicine in many cultures across the world against T2DM. I know it is
much hyped but personally I have had very good results. For the first
time my FBG dropped below 100. Can I give full credit for this juice?
My gut answer is yes but I have not done "beyond reasonable doubt"
study on it.

But knowing the beast I rather remain skeptical and humble about my
progress. But yes Quentin, your notes once again give me a rational
reason to trust my over indulgence on all things green!

Once again I wishing absolute best of the rest!

Anil
Quentin Grady - 29 Apr 2006 21:30 GMT
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>Good day Quentin Grady!
>
>Another classic  Quentin the educator using frying out the shriller
>while prying out the goodness from all things we have forgotten we
>should be eating. Oh Quentin, you give me so much strength of
>conviction.

G'day G'day Anil,

 Delighted to have a post from you. I enjoy your emphasis on
assimilating vegetables into the diet. OK, for you it might not be
assimilating vegetables into the diet but for most Westerners it is.
It is somewhere their thought patterns don't readily go. When planning
a meal I know I am most likely to think of what meat I will cook
first. For some people I guess it is what beans they will soak.
Fresh herbs tend to get left to last and risk being forgotten.

>While I have not yet perfected cooking with fresh dill, I do use rather
>excessive amount of coriander in my cooking. I always liked coriander
>but ever since dxed I have taken every opportunity to go after every
>green vegetable I can grab and make effort to develop taste for it.
>Once ther I do devour it.

Go for it.  I was staggered to find that as little as one Spring onion
per day could lower the risk of a bloke developed prostate cancer.  It
takes so little of quite common vegetables to achieve so much. It is
simply the doing on a regular basis that counts. Like you once I had
adopted the idea I was surprised at how easy it was to chop up a half
dozen Spring onions and toss them into a casserole.  Half a bunch of
coriander disappeared into some tomato soup when it was nearly readily
on the stove. It is easy ... if it is a habit.

Another habit I have developed ... for better of worse is to include
chutneys. If I'm not mistaken the very word chutney is of Indian
origin. Yesterday I bought a jar of tamarillo chutney.  You might not
know tamarillos but they are intensely coloured fruit rich in the red
pigment beta-cryptoxanthin.  If only I could get every woman in New
Zealand to eat the equivalent of a tamarillo per day we could reduce
the incidence of cervical cancer by about 40%. Tamarillos are rather
acid to the taste but this makes them fabulous for chutneys.  Will I
doubt I could ever prise the recipe out of Cherry and Carlo DeNigri
for their tamarillo chutney, my taste bud tell me it is rich in
cinnamon and cloves, two of the best anti-oxidant packed spices going.
Well, my point is part of successful diets, whether paleolithic or
vegetarian is making them palatable. The intelligent approach IMHO is
to ensure that what we habitually do to make them palatable also
benefits us health wise.

>Few vegetables I have added are bitter melon
>(Momordica   Charantia), and fresh leaves of fenugreek. I have been
>pleasantly surprised how wonderfully they have allowed my body to
>pretend that it is actually healing. I almost want to say I am healing!

In old English, there is a phrase, "A right old understanding."  It is
usually the sort of thing that people arrive at after what secretaries
abbreviate to "a free and frank discussion took place on the merits
and lack there of, of the proposal"   Neither of us like the idea of
supplements.  Both of us find eating traditional foods that might or
might not have some health benefit OK if we abide by the safety rules
set out by those same traditions. It is a case of little harm, some
benefit. A positive attitude is a positive attitude, dude, however we
come by it.

>For those who want to dare, try making a juice out of this melon and
>drink half glass first thing in the morning. It's a tradition
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>My gut answer is yes but I have not done "beyond reasonable doubt"
>study on it.

Yep.  I do much admire you Anil.
You state what is reasonable and avoid saying what isn't.
It is a skill we all need to master IMHO.

>But knowing the beast I rather remain skeptical and humble about my
>progress. But yes Quentin, your notes once again give me a rational
>reason to trust my over indulgence on all things green!

LOL.  I just bet someone is wishing you would try hemlock.  They have
issues they will have to live with.  We don't.  Most people who adopt
a common sense approach to things find have also adopted a high safety
margin.  The smartest thing humans have learnt to do is to be
adaptable.  It is amazed me to find that in some primitive cultures
the people ate up to a hundred different green plants.  They picked
the plants while they were young and tender and moved onto some other
greens when they were not.  What researchers noted was two fold. In
general, the older plants produced more toxins to protect themselves.
By changing greens with the seasons the humans were moving before the
toxins in an particular plant built up to dangerous levels. There was
enough to give the immune system for example a jolly up without doing
permanent damage. Of course like you, I fully intend to give myself a
wide safety margin by choosing herbs that are generally accepted as
safe, parsley, cilantro, celery, dill, basil, hyssop, chop suey
greens, shiso.

>Once again I wishing absolute best of the rest!
>
>Anil

Thanks Anil, your post has cheered me considerably.

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