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sharppointy1 - 27 Apr 2006 14:21 GMT
Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
diabetes control, and I'm going to be quite limited in what I can do
for an indeterminate period of time.  I will be able to use my home
exercise bicycle next week after clearance by doc.  I am worried that
my hard won blood sugar control and weight loss will be damaged by the
inactivity.  If anyone has any good ideas for someone who cannot bear
weight on one foot (or get it wet), please share!
I'll post after surgery when my brain has cleared enough to be coherent
:-)
Barbara the mildy nervous
LizardQueen - 27 Apr 2006 14:39 GMT
Maybe lifting weights? You can do this sitting down - do every body
part except for the leg that got worked on.

You could also do some modified squats on one leg, if your knee can
handle it.

Crutching is also good exercise - when I broke my leg as a kid I had
some massive upper body muscles from doing that.  It makes your
underarms sore at first, though, so getting enough distance could be
tough. Crutching up and down a hill could be a workout.

Good luck with your surgery.

LQ
Jenny - 27 Apr 2006 14:45 GMT
> Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
> your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :-)
> Barbara the mildy nervous

Relax.  I have had a lot of problems with my feet and back which
preclude exercise for long periods of time and have been able to
maintain a near-30 lb weight loss and decent blood sugar levels without
exercise.

In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
blood sugar control.  Go online and google up a "basal metabolism
calculator" and compute your basal calorie needs and the additional
calories you need to sustain a sedentary lifestyle.  Eat at that level.
Keep your blood sugars low enough to avoid producing too much insulin.

You should be fine.

Hope you heal up fast, too!

--Jenny

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Kurt - 27 Apr 2006 18:51 GMT
> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
> blood sugar control.

Oh come on!  You've got to be kidding, this makes absolutely no sense
at all.

Kurt
Ma¢k - 27 Apr 2006 21:10 GMT
>> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
>> blood sugar control.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Kurt

can't you take it to another thread?

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Chris Malcolm - 28 Apr 2006 09:24 GMT
>> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
>> blood sugar control.

> Oh come on!  You've got to be kidding, this makes absolutely no sense
> at all.

I take it that what you mean is that it isn't in your textbook so you
don't believe it? You really should get out more. "There are more
things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your
philosophy."

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Jenny - 28 Apr 2006 14:03 GMT
>>> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
>>> blood sugar control.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your
> philosophy."

I put in a whole year going to the gym 5 times a week or more,
treadmilling for at least 20 minutes using a heart monitor to set
targets and greatly increasing my fitness, I also swam laps for 3
months, and did selected weight training  exercises that wouldn't make
my back worse.  I didn't lose any weight and my cholesterol worsened,
and my blood sugar control deteriorated over that year to where I had to
visit the endo and start metformin.

Some study I don't have at hand determined that there is a subgroup of
people who do not get any benefits from exercise.

In my case, it may be because I have defective insulin and possibly my
mitochondria don't work properly, either, which is common with type 2.

Now that I'm on the basal insulin, I have lost a couple pounds this
spring doing a lot raking and moving of mulch and stones, and I'm
wondering if perhaps substituting the injected insulin for my defective
stuff may be making a difference.  What is most notable is that after
exercise now I have more energy, not less which is something people
describe but which I had never experienced before.

--Jenny

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bj - 28 Apr 2006 15:41 GMT
> Some study I don't have at hand determined that there is a subgroup of
> people who do not get any benefits from exercise.

*no* benefits? How can you be sure?
even if bg & lipids got worse & you didn't lose weight, those aren't the
only benefits of exercise.
And maybe they would have gotten even more worse w/o the workouts.
Maybe your bones are in better shape. Maybe your brain is.
Who knows?
JMO
bj
Kurt - 28 Apr 2006 19:14 GMT
> >>> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
> >>> blood sugar control.
> >
> >> Oh come on!  You've got to be kidding, this makes absolutely no sense
> >> at all.

> I put in a whole year going to the gym 5 times a week or more,
> treadmilling for at least 20 minutes using a heart monitor to set
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> and my blood sugar control deteriorated over that year to where I had to
> visit the endo and start metformin.

All of those problems could have been a result of so many OTHER
factors. Imagine what your condition would have been like if you didn't
exercise.

> Some study I don't have at hand determined that there is a subgroup of
> people who do not get any benefits from exercise.

I'm sure that there is a study somewhere that shows a subgroup of
people don't need to breathe air to exist.

> In my case, it may be because I have defective insulin and possibly my
> mitochondria don't work properly, either, which is common with type 2.

Again, it is highly doubtful you can dismiss exercise as not working
for you at all.

> Now that I'm on the basal insulin, I have lost a couple pounds this
> spring doing a lot raking and moving of mulch and stones, and I'm
> wondering if perhaps substituting the injected insulin for my defective
> stuff may be making a difference.  What is most notable is that after
> exercise now I have more energy, not less which is something people
> describe but which I had never experienced before.

The benefits of exercise - and that involves more than just raking and
working in the garden - are many, among them...

Build and maintain healthy muscles, bones, and joints
Reduces psychological problems such as depression and anxiety
Reduces the risk of developing heart disease
Reduces high blood pressure or the risk of developing high blood
pressure
Reduces high cholesterol or the risk of developing high cholesterol
Reduces the risk of developing colon cancer and breast cancer
Reduces or maintain body weight or body fat

Best,
Kurt
Kurt - 28 Apr 2006 19:04 GMT
> >> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
> >> blood sugar control.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I take it that what you mean is that it isn't in your textbook so you
> don't believe it?

It's in everyone's textbook.

>You really should get out more.

Pun intended?

>"There are more
> things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your
> philosophy."

Believe me, I do not believe thee, man.
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The believer is happy; the doubter is wise.
Proverb

He that knows nothing, doubts nothing.
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Chris Malcolm - 29 Apr 2006 01:17 GMT
>> >> In fact, for me, exercise has never made any difference in my weight or
>> >> blood sugar control.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> I take it that what you mean is that it isn't in your textbook so you
>> don't believe it?

> It's in everyone's textbook.

Nope. Check out "hard gainers" in one of the exercise
newsgroups. They're a sub-group who don't respond to the usual forms
of muscle-building exercise. Within that sub-group is a smaller group
who not only don't build muscle but also fail to show some of the
generally accepted other health benefits of exercise. AFAIK the
reasons for this are not yet known.

You have a really strange attitude to knowledge. How could you
possibly know that "it's in everyone's textbook"? Firstly to know that
would require of you a level of medical expertise far above that which
you have. Secondly it is a very well known phenomenon in science that
the basic introductory textbooks simplify and generalise. You have to
get to the very specialised post-grad level texts before you find out
all the exceptions to what are put forward as general truths in the
introductory texts.

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bj - 27 Apr 2006 14:47 GMT
Seated aerobics.
Use an armcycle if you can get access to one.
Good luck!
bj

>  If anyone has any good ideas for someone who cannot bear
> weight on one foot (or get it wet), please share!
Susan - 27 Apr 2006 14:49 GMT
> Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
> your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :-)
> Barbara the mildy nervous

Barbara, you'll be up and around really soon, I promise!

I'd say "break a leg" for luck, but somehow that doesn't seem
appropriate here.

;-)

Susan
Ma¢k - 27 Apr 2006 15:01 GMT
>Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
>your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>:-)
>Barbara the mildy nervous

well if the post op-BG is affected due to lack of exercise, hopefully
it will only be short term.

Here's to a speedy recovery.

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TigerLily - 27 Apr 2006 16:13 GMT
best wishes for a speedy recovery from this
surgery Barbara

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> Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
> your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :-)
> Barbara the mildy nervous
W. Baker - 27 Apr 2006 17:05 GMT
: Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
: your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
: :-)
: Barbara the mildy nervous

load up on sugar-free Jello and such at home so you will have something to
eat when the urge hits you. also, lotsof celery, radishes, green peppers,
etc.  I find when I am inactive and not on the computer, i keep lookin gof
rsomething o put into my mouth.  Be prepared!  Aslo, the jarred gefilte
fish is not a bad snack or meal, a it is redaily aailable, quick adn not
igh in carbs or calories and actually feels like food. .  

Wendy
Cheri - 27 Apr 2006 17:38 GMT
Best of luck with your surgery Barbara. I wish you a speedy recovery. I
think Susan had bunion surgery, so I'm sure she can give you some ideas.
Best to you.

--
Cheri

sharppointy1 wrote in message
<1146144082.779933.49280@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
>Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
>your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>:-)
>Barbara the mildy nervous
wmmckee@cox.net - 27 Apr 2006 17:39 GMT
> Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
> your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
> diabetes control, and I'm going to be quite limited in what I can do
> for an indeterminate period of time.  I will be able to use my home
> exercise bicycle next week after clearance by doc

Barbara, all my heartfelt best wishes go out to you... Having been through
several surgeries over the years, I really sympathize. But you have to
believe you *WILL* feel better once you have begun to heal...

Good Luck!

Will, T2
Grandpa Chuck - 27 Apr 2006 18:19 GMT
>Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
>your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>:-)
>Barbara the mildy nervous

Best wishes to you Barbara.
Be sure to keep us up to date.
Kurt - 27 Apr 2006 18:48 GMT
> Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
> your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :-)
> Barbara the mildy nervous

You seem like someone who is determined to find a way and I'm positive
that you will!  Best wishes with the surgery and the recovery.  May it
be as fast as gas prices are rising.

Best,
Kurt
sharppointy1 - 28 Apr 2006 03:17 GMT
Thanks to all!
May asd remain diabetes focused like tonight :-)
And Kurt - Thanks for the laugh!  I snort when I laugh and the snort
drew my husband in to ask what's so funny - he laughed too!
Anil - 28 Apr 2006 14:45 GMT
Here is wish for a real super fast recovery. Always imagine a healthy
recovered active Barbara. Once recovered go for it. You did it before.
You can do it again. We will be awaiting your energetic participation
here.

Eat plenty of green veggies while inactive :-) (Dr permitting!)

Anil
Billie - 28 Apr 2006 21:52 GMT
Wonder how Barbara is doing right about now?  3:45 cdt

Barbara, thoughts across the miles are with you right now.

Billie

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: recovered active Barbara. Once recovered go for it. You did it before.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
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: Anil
bantista - 29 Apr 2006 03:07 GMT
> Hello, asd faithful.  Tomorrow I'm having bunion surgery.  I would love
> your good thoughts for me.  I use exercise as a big part of my T2
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> :-)
> Barbara the mildy nervous

Hello, Barbara,

Hope everything went well for you today. I wouldn't think you should worry,
if the surgery itself goes well. You can ride your bike next week and be
back on track. The surgery itself might throw things out of whack for a bit,
but that sort of thing settles down quickly. Anil is surely correct in
suggesting positive imaging of the desired result.

regards,

rudy
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Chakolate - 29 Apr 2006 04:07 GMT
> If anyone has any good ideas for someone who cannot bear
> weight on one foot (or get it wet), please share!

Is it the whole foot, or just the ball or the heel?  Because you can ride
a bike with one foot heel-only or ball-only.  Of course, I'm thinking a
bit down the road, not right away.

If this is a stupid suggestion, please flame me gently.  I bruise easily.

Chak

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W. Baker - 29 Apr 2006 19:42 GMT
: > If anyone has any good ideas for someone who cannot bear
: > weight on one foot (or get it wet), please share!

: Is it the whole foot, or just the ball or the heel?  Because you can ride
: a bike with one foot heel-only or ball-only.  Of course, I'm thinking a
: bit down the road, not right away.

: If this is a stupid suggestion, please flame me gently.  I bruise easily.

: Chak

Just a mall, nit-picky point.  shouldn't that be burn easily?

Wendy -in  fey mood
Chakolate - 30 Apr 2006 05:54 GMT
>: If this is a stupid suggestion, please flame me gently.  I bruise
>: easily.
>
>: Chak
>
> Just a mall, nit-picky point.  shouldn't that be burn easily?

LOL!  Quite right, this is.

Chak, in Yoda mode for unknown reasons

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