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maky m. - 07 Apr 2006 21:22 GMT hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's
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Priscilla H. Ballou - 07 Apr 2006 21:48 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's No symptoms led to my diagnosis. My clinicial just ordered a fasting BG as part of routine annual check-up blood work.
HOWEVER -- I was experiencing one pronounced symptom that nobody could figure out where it came from. I was tired all the time and constantly falling asleep. Some weekends I'd nap all afternoon Saturday and Sunday. I hate to think what my BG readings must have been at those times. I had a *very* carb-heavy diet before my FBG came in just over the line and I straightened up and started flying right.
Priscilla, T2, diag 01/03 with a FBG of 130; diet (low carb/low spike) & exercise & Metformin; last A1c 5.6 (I think -- somewhere around there); down 30 lbs from diag (was -40, but gained back 10)
John Inzer - 07 Apr 2006 23:11 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, > i am quite interested in reading answers to it - > particularly for t2's > > tia =============================== Constantly thirsty.
Waking up several times a night to urinate.
Sores on legs that would not heal.
Tired all the time.
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Cheri - 07 Apr 2006 23:22 GMT Constant thirst, extrememly tired, burning feet, frequent urination.
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>> hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, >> i am quite interested in reading answers to it - [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >John Inzer Craig - 08 Apr 2006 02:35 GMT Feeling unwell, almost to the point of collapse. Frequent urination. Blurry vision Craig Type 2 NSW, Australia
>> hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, >> i am quite interested in reading answers to it - [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tired all the time. Kurt - 07 Apr 2006 23:29 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's I'm a Type 1 but would like to add here that "blurry vision" is another symptom that both Types can have.
Best, Kurt
sharppointy1 - 07 Apr 2006 23:32 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > > tia VERY hot all the time, with hot flashes. Constant hunger, general "yucky" feeling. Did NOT have polydipsia (intense thirst) or polyuria (frequent peeing).
Jennifer - 08 Apr 2006 00:03 GMT First: Why do you ask?
Are you having symptoms that you cannot explain?
If so, you need to talk to your doctor now.
That being said.
The symptoms I had, which made it clear to me that I had diabetes were:
Extreme thirst Extreme urination.
After diagnosis and some research I discovered that my persistant boils were also a symptom.
Jennifer
> hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > > tia pinecone - 08 Apr 2006 00:23 GMT Sleepy after meals, blurry vision, feeling swimmy sometimes, and tinnitus got me to the doctor, but routine bloodwork determined I was t2. The symptoms abated when I got my BG under control.
John Inzer - 08 Apr 2006 05:05 GMT > Sleepy after meals, blurry vision, feeling swimmy > sometimes, and tinnitus got me to the doctor, but routine > bloodwork determined I was t2. The symptoms abated when > I got my BG under control. ================================ Your tinnitus went away? I've had it since I was a teenager and it doesn't seem to be affected by the diabetes.
Sometimes, the only way I can be sure if what I am hearing is real or just the tinnitus is to cup my hands tightly over my ears.
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Susan - 08 Apr 2006 14:35 GMT hn Inzer wrote:
> ================================ > Your tinnitus went away? I've had it since I was a teenager and it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just the tinnitus > is to cup my hands tightly over my ears. My tinnitus got much quieter with antibiotic treatment for the cause, which is tick borne CNS infection in my case. It went away for most of the time after I began low carbing.
I've seen one, small study that provided evidence of resolution of tinnitus with an extremely low calorie diet that was also low carb. Either one will reduce insulinemia.
Susan
John Inzer - 08 Apr 2006 19:53 GMT > My tinnitus got much quieter with antibiotic treatment > for the cause, which is tick borne CNS infection in my [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Susan ================================== Thanks Susan...
Nothing I've ever tried seemed to have an effect on my tinnitus...maybe I should discuss it in more detail with my GP.
When I was approximately 10 years old some firecrackers exploded very close to my ears... I think that was the beginning of the problem but am not positive.
As for diet...I'm already low cal / low carb... that's how I maintain my BGs.
Cheers.
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Susan - 08 Apr 2006 20:43 GMT > Thanks Susan... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As for diet...I'm already low cal / low carb... > that's how I maintain my BGs. The only other thing I can add is that high salicylate foods will sometimes make the hiss noticeable for while in my case.
Susan
John Inzer - 08 Apr 2006 23:10 GMT > The only other thing I can add is that high salicylate > foods will sometimes make the hiss noticeable for while > in my case. > > Susan ================================ There's something to consider...
Thanks.
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pinecone - 10 Apr 2006 17:45 GMT > Your tinnitus went away? I've had it since I > was a teenager and it doesn't seem to be > affected by the diabetes. I never had tinnitus before early perimenopause, when I started hearing a whooshing noise the night before my monthly menstrual flow started. A couple of months before diagnosis, I started experiencing a squealing noise, especially late at night. It's almost gone with tight control.
pinecone - 10 Apr 2006 17:46 GMT > Your tinnitus went away? I've had it since I > was a teenager and it doesn't seem to be > affected by the diabetes. I never experienced tinnitus before except a swooshing sound the night before my menstrual flow started in early perimenopause. A few months before my T2 diagnosis, I started experiencing squealing non-stop, that worsened late at night, which, in addition to feeling very swimmy one morning at work, is why I made the doctor appointment.
Jennifer - 10 Apr 2006 18:08 GMT My mother has had success lessening her tintinitus by drinking some tonic water each day.
Her doctor suggested it. He said it only works in a small percentage of people... but if it does, you've got some easy relief.
Jennifer
>>Your tinnitus went away? I've had it since I >>was a teenager and it doesn't seem to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > worsened late at night, which, in addition to feeling very swimmy one > morning at work, is why I made the doctor appointment. Susan - 10 Apr 2006 19:09 GMT > My mother has had success lessening her tintinitus by drinking some > tonic water each day. > > Her doctor suggested it. He said it only works in a small percentage of > people... but if it does, you've got some easy relief. That's interesting, because I quinine is one of the chemicals known to induce tinnitus.
Susan
Alan S - 10 Apr 2006 22:23 GMT >> Your tinnitus went away? I've had it since I >> was a teenager and it doesn't seem to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >worsened late at night, which, in addition to feeling very swimmy one >morning at work, is why I made the doctor appointment. I only notice tinnitus when I read posts like this and pause to listen for it. Then it sounds quite strong in my left ear. But, unless I'm reminded like this I never notice it.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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Susan - 10 Apr 2006 22:52 GMT > I only notice tinnitus when I read posts like this and pause > to listen for it. Then it sounds quite strong in my left > ear. But, unless I'm reminded like this I never notice it. You've habituated; that's the way to go.
Mine is usually absent, but seems to really crank up when I take turmeric the spice, or turmeric extract capsules.
Susan
Quentin Grady - 13 Apr 2006 20:32 GMT This post not CC'd by email On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:52:42 -0400, Susan <nevermind@nomail.com> wrote:
>x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Susan G'day G'day Susan,
Darn, darn, darn. The 95% curcuminoids extract turmeric capsules seemed like a good work around for the trinities/salicylate issue. After all 5% doesn't leave much room for salicylates.
Sorry it didn't work out the way I thought it should. Thanks for giving us the feedback.
Best wishes,
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Dick Malchik - 09 Apr 2006 01:20 GMT >Sleepy after meals, blurry vision, feeling swimmy sometimes, and >tinnitus got me to the doctor, but routine bloodwork determined I was >t2. The symptoms abated when I got my BG under control. Pre-diagnosis, I had tinnitus so bad sometimes I couldn't sleep. It seems I've always had a little ringing, but the high BG aggravated it. It's been reduced to almost not noticeable since I got my BG under control 6 years ago.
Also, feeling a bit confused after a high carb meal. T2 was diagnosed in a routine blood test.
Rich
pinecone - 10 Apr 2006 18:02 GMT > feeling a bit confused after a high carb meal. High or low makes me so I can't think.
I had low BG events all my life, but I was always told it was the same for everyone by people ranging from my mom to my husband. I doubted it, since I had experiences such as waking up with a thick tongue in the morning, literally having to crawl to the fridge and eat cold tomatoes sitting on the kitchen floor before finally reviving.
I used to routinely eat low-carb most of my late teen and young adult years because it was "in" and I just liked to stay slender. I experienced dizziness even when my sugar tested normal for a while in my late teens.
Delboy - 08 Apr 2006 01:12 GMT Frequent peeing at night (but due to have TURP to fix prostate Nothing else particularly noticeable Before the TURP, hospital did a urine dip and said "!£$^&(), go and see GP for a GTT". Did that and was dx'd T2.
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> hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > > tia Temujin - 09 Apr 2006 17:07 GMT Delboy, If you are still following this thread -- before you have a TURP, look into a PVP. It's a laser treatment that is usually as effective as a TURP, but is much less invasive and easier to recover from. Check historical posts on sci.med.prostate.bph. You may have to do some research to find a uro experienced in this procedure, but it is worth it.
>Delboy wrote: >Frequent peeing at night (but due to have TURP to fix prostate >Nothing else particularly noticeable >Before the TURP, hospital did a urine dip and said "!£$^&(), go and see GP f>or a GTT". Did that and was dx'd T2.
Alan S - 08 Apr 2006 02:28 GMT >hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite >interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > >tia None at all that I was aware of at the time. Diagnosed as a result of complete blood tests for something completely different, which was diagnosed just prior to the diabetes.
In hindsight, with the knowledge I have today, the dizzy spells, vertigo, eye focus problems were all indicators. So was the time I blacked out from a hypo. But none of those ever led to diagnosis by the incompetent doc I had at that time.
Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg
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Michelle - 08 Apr 2006 03:29 GMT constant hunger, fatigue
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Julie Bove - 08 Apr 2006 10:53 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's Really sick to my stomach. Loss of balance. Unable to walk. That about sums it up.
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Jac - 08 Apr 2006 20:28 GMT I think I new I was a diabetic way before the numbers proved it. I had a sore on my leg that would not heal and when I would ask my doctor, doesn't this look like those of a diabetic, he would say you pick at it, which I didn't. It took it over a year to heal and needless to say I have a very bad scar from it. It wasn't until my mother got so sick that I couldn't travel to my regular family doctor that I was dx'ed. The first time I saw a doctor close to home, I got a call that he wanted to see me again. Scared the stuffings out of me. When I went in he said, Jacqueline, you are a diabetic. I looked at him and said, I have thought I was for years, but it never showed in my blood work. He informed me it showed in what he did, but the A1C was just a little high so he wanted to catch it before it got worse. Lordy if he was still my doctor he would have heart failure with how fast it developed into full blown diabetes. Needless to say my mother got even sicker and I had to start seeing a doctor even closer to home. I had always sworn I would never see him, because we grew up together. But I have and I really think the world of him too.
As far as symptoms, I had plenty but because I have fibromyalgia I did not mention them because I figured it was part of it. I would get shaky and sick at my stomach almost every time I ate. My vision was always blurred, which my eye doctor had suspected diabetes for a long time and he was the one that encouraged me to change to the doctor I was seeing prior to being dx'ed, but he didn't catch it because of the numbers.
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LizardQueen - 08 Apr 2006 12:03 GMT Not yet full blown T2 but on the path (IGT/RH) and trying to reverse it.
My symptoms: Either tired or hungry after eating a lot of carbs Eating carbs or sweets would make me hungrier than if I hadn't eaten at all Not a lot of energy in general Shakes in the middle of the night Asthma, sinus, and gastric reflux problems (went away when I ditched the carbs) Periodic bowel uproar (alternating diarrhea/constipation) - also went away when got rid of carbs
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Mopar Girl - 08 Apr 2006 13:37 GMT > Not yet full blown T2 but on the path (IGT/RH) and trying to reverse > it. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > LQ I had no idea as I had no symptoms other than I just had a yeast infection that I could not get rid of (for 10 months).
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fact-checker@hotmail.com - 08 Apr 2006 15:27 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > > tia =======
In 1995-1996 I had *all* the symptoms of type 2 diabetes, plus it showed up on 2 blood tests and on one urinalysis, but half a dozen doctors all failed to diagnose and treat the diabetes because they all assumed that my symptoms were my imagination. When one doctor makes that assumption, later doctors tend to agree without doing proper testing of their own.
I had to obtain copies of all my test results for that year and go through them myself to discover that I had been developing diabetes at a very fast rate for an entire year. In one case, a doctor had actually noted "discuss with patient" next to my blood glucose results, but he never did tell me about it.
I have had similar problems with doctors being too irresponsible / ignorant to diagnose my sleep apnea and spine disease and hemochromatosis and herniated disk year after year after year so that I had to figure out the diagnoses myself and then spend year after year pestering doctor after doctor until dignoses were finally obtained. Then good luck on trying to get proper treatment after the diagnoses are obtained.
- moshe (I'm not bitter :^)
Susan Adair - 08 Apr 2006 17:00 GMT I was IGT for 10 years before the full diagnosis. I had no symptoms that i noticed; the IGT showed up in my annual fasting bg test and was brought to my attention by my very good GP. She had earlier caught my hypothyroid problem that my previous doc had ignored for at least 5 years as it gradually got worse. The full diagnosis again was the result of an annual A1c and FBG test. A good GP is worth gold; I found mine by sheer luck in choosing a name from a list.
Susan Adair
Janice Upton - 08 Apr 2006 18:06 GMT Blurry vision and chest pains led to ER visit where blood work showed high BG- kept in hospital overnight and fasting test next morning led to diagnosis of Type 2- chest pains were just respiratory infection- minor but thank goodness discovered diabetic
Beverly - 09 Apr 2006 15:31 GMT >hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite >interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > >tia Exhaustion Excessive night-time urination Excessive thirst Constant yeast infections Persistent boils
FWIW, I thought these things were unrelated and went to the doctor with the expectation of being diagnosed with many different things. I had mistakenly though that increased urination would be 24/7, not just during the night. It was the exhaustion which finally caused me to go to the doctor.
Even if you have only one or no symptoms, but suspect you may be diabetic, GET TESTED NOW! It may add years to your life to be diagnosed early. Beverly
Terry Small - 18 May 2006 00:37 GMT I was an OTR truck driver... started having sevear thirst and excessive urination... thought maybe my kidneys had gotten bruised from driving so much. I went to see the DR. and he told me I was spilling suger... it was all dowqnhill from there... Terry
>>hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite >>interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > diagnosed early. > Beverly Paul M. Cook - 10 Apr 2006 00:20 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's > > tia Extreme fatigue, very extreme - to the point of pain heavy perspiration dry mouth sharp jabbing pains in the feet falling asleep after eating blurry vision
pacblue - 10 Apr 2006 15:31 GMT No synptoms that I really associated with diabetes.
Had chest pains one day in 2004 that wouldn't go away - went to my Doctor - blood tests taken. Called back 2 days later. BG was 12.8. I was a diabetic. I was shocked. She told me not to be, according to previous blood work, it had been coming on since 2002 (which I was not told about !)
Then the severe and persistent boils I'd been having over the past 18 months started making sense - as did the fatigue (but no frequent urination or excessive thirst). In 1999 I was tested and my BG was 4.5. That's how fast it came on (well I think it was prettty damn fast) Go figure. All the best.
Mike
Chris Malcolm - 11 Apr 2006 18:11 GMT > hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite > interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's Falling asleep after carby meals, tired, moody, waistline increasing, episodes of blurred vision, constant neuropathy in both feet, episodes of neuropathy in hands, angina, high blood pressure, heart attack. And a diabetic mother as a risk factor. But doc kept saying "Your blood sugar levels are still fine, no need to worry". Then I tested my BG myself after my normal breakfast of a bowl of "diabetic-healthy" (ADA) low-glycemic index wheat-free, fruit-free, and sugar-free muesli. It climbed to over 210. I took the graph to my doc. He agreed this indicated diabetes.
So what about all those "your BG's are fine, no need to worry"? What he meant was that my BG as tested hours after a meal in his office was fine. Well of course it was, it had gone well down by then. And my HbA1c was fine (5.6%). Well, of course it was -- I had already been eating a "paleolithic" diet for two years, which means I had already cut out all wheat products and was eating more protein and fats and vegetables to compensate. Why was I doing that? Because I had already discovered that eating bread, cake, and pasta made me feel ill, so I had already shifted my diet in a low carbish direction before being diagnosed. This concealed my developing diabetes from my doctor's testing, quite apart from the very silly diagnostic criteria for diabetes, which are partly a lottery (the "random" tests, which of course aren't "random" at all if you have to travel to see your doc), and the FBG, which for some T2s remains under diagnostic limits while the undetected diabetes rampages destructively on.
The current diagnostic criteria for diabetes are rather like diagnosing pregnancy when the waist measurement exceeds the bust measurement.
Bloody lucky I happened to test my own BG after my usual "healthy" breakfast. If I'd gone on relying on my doc's diagnostic criteria I could well have had to wait another year or few until I was bad enough to tip his scales. By which time I might have had another heart attack.
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Quentin Grady - 12 Apr 2006 19:54 GMT G'day G'day Chris,
Thank you for a well written post on the perils involved in getting the right diagnosis. While I hadn't gone on a paleolithic diet before diagnosis I had "managed the condition" by avoiding overt sugar, bread rolls etc for over a decade. Fortunately I didn't have the heart attacks, angina etc that you suffered.
Best wishes and thanks for the exceptional explanation of how it is all too possible to slip undetected through the diagnosis net only to be caught by a chance event.
Quentin.
This post not CC'd by email On 11 Apr 2006 17:11:38 GMT, Chris Malcolm <cam@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite >> interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >to tip his scales. By which time I might have had another heart >attack.
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Chris Malcolm - 13 Apr 2006 09:37 GMT > G'day G'day Chris,
> Thank you for a well written post on the perils involved in getting > the right diagnosis. While I hadn't gone on a paleolithic diet before > diagnosis I had "managed the condition" by avoiding overt sugar, bread > rolls etc for over a decade. Fortunately I didn't have the heart > attacks, angina etc that you suffered.
> Best wishes and thanks for the exceptional explanation of how it is > all too possible to slip undetected through the diagnosis net only to > be caught by a chance event. And it was so chancy! I needed two unconnected strokes of luck. I was shopping in the local supermarket. They had just opened a pharmacy counter which was next to the magazine counter I often browsed. So I noticed they were selling blood glucose meters for 10 pounds. So being a scientifically-minded gadget freak who loves measuring things and plotting graphs I bought it just out of curiosity.
A few hours later I was staring at readings of over 200 with chill horror. That was the first stroke of luck.
The second was that my doctor had just returned from a conference on diabetes. Some of my friends were not so lucky. After complaining to me of typical symptoms of diabetes, and finding with the help of my meter and an informal DIY GTT that they too got readings of over 200, they'd come back from their doctors and tell me "No need to worry, the doc tested my blood and urine and said I'm fine!".
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BessieBee - 12 Apr 2006 01:56 GMT ::hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite ::interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's :: ::tia A near constant vaginal itch that nearly drove me mad. I must have spent a small fortune on otc 'remedies' because I was sure it was a yeast infection. The intense itch finally got me to go to the doctor. And the rest, as they say, is history.
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Blkbear - 28 Apr 2006 01:32 GMT >hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite >interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's >tia Howdy Tia,
Type 2 here, and there were no symptoms in my case.
In July of 2001 I went to the doctor because my allergies were kicking up as they do every year, either in early spring or mid summer. They did all the normal tests, and the doc asked if I was diabetic, which I said no, and he said he'd like to test for it anyway.
A1c at that time was 5.9, and my non fasting BS was 115 or (without checking, not at home at the moment), and that was about 45 mins to an hour after eating a burger and fries.
Nov of the same year (the day before Thanksgiving no less!), I had just gotten new insurance and a new doctor, and went in for my first full checkup and exam. This time it was a fasting BS (wanted a base line for tests), and my A1c was 15.9, and the fasting BS I think at the time was 259 (again I'd have to check). No changes in eyesight (same eye glass prescriptions for several years up to that point), no extra thirst, no extra urination (still known as Mr Camel Bladder), no explained tiredness.
Now as soon as things started getting normalized, is when I started having symptoms. Blurry vision as my numbers went from the 300+ to 150-120-90 to 80 range. Only had a couple of weeks during that time where I was peeing like a race horse, trying put out a fire! ;-)
That's my type 2 dx story.
Laura@notmy.com - 28 Apr 2006 01:59 GMT >>hoping this question is not innapropriate for this group, i am quite >>interested in reading answers to it - particularly for t2's [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >That's my type 2 dx story. Long time no see Blkbear. Where have you been? How're things going?
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