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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2006New cause for diabetes ?
Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. http://tinyurl.com/z9nz8 Regards David  SignatureTo email me, please include the letters DNF anywhere in the subject line. All other mail is automatically deleted. > Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. > > http://tinyurl.com/z9nz8 I want to know where they found enough people "not exposed to smoke" to make an adequate sample! bj >>Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > an adequate sample! > bj I wonder if they considered the education level and other habits and lifestyle issues of the folks who lived with or allowed themselves to be surrounded by smoke? Susan :: x-no-archive: yes :: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] :: lifestyle issues of the folks who lived with or allowed themselves :: to be surrounded by smoke? As a kid, I was captive to my dad's pipe and cigar smoke. Well, I would eventually move to another room. > :: x-no-archive: yes > :: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > As a kid, I was captive to my dad's pipe and cigar smoke. Well, I would > eventually move to another room. Until recently in the USA (& still, in some other countries) there weren't many places you could go where you *wouldn't* be exposed to some smoke. bj Here's the Medscape version: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/529368 Thanks Dave: I guess I should do a "google" on other toxins which can harm the pancrease thus causing diabetes aside from the obesity/IR/genetic models out there. Initial pancreatic cell death makes good sense to me as one possible cause of diabetes. Larry > Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > All other mail is automatically deleted. > Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. > > http://tinyurl.com/z9nz8 Yeah, smoking, passive smoking, the birth control method I used, gestational diabetes, a mother who dieted during pregnancy, a grandmother who lied through a famine whilst pregnant - I strongly suspect that I had no chance! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > Yeah, smoking, passive smoking, the birth control method I used, > gestational diabetes, a mother who dieted during pregnancy, a > grandmother who lied through a famine whilst pregnant - I strongly > suspect that I had no chance! Don't forget about mom not eating soy during the first trimester. It's always good to be able to blame the mother. Chak SignatureAny sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. You know, I'm not a smoker, but I get so sick and tired of hearing everything under the sun blamed on smoking--especially when other equally dangerous exposures get swept under the carpet. I grew up in L.A. I lived 15-20 miles from a chain of tall mountains and some days the frickin' smog was so thick we couldn't see the darn things. I remember recess being cancelled for smog alerts. The smog was too poisonous for the kids to go outside and play. We used to laugh and say southern Californians didn't trust any air they couldn't see. HA! Now, I imagine breathing that crap day in and day out did more harm to me than any exposure I may have had to 2nd smoke. I'm not saying that breathing in 2nd hand smoke is totally harmless, I'm just saying, there are many other things to look at that are no doubt affecting a larger number of people--like the whole population of major cities. Don't even get me started on the mercury in our environment.... Michelle "Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1144439264.818040.48310 @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > You know, I'm not a smoker, but I get so sick and tired of hearing > everything under the sun blamed on smoking--especially when other [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Don't even get me started on the mercury in our environment.... In 1972 I was driving back to Chicago with a bunch of friends after a weekend in Michigan, and we were hauling a.s to get to work on time. We came over the skyway and saw this brown cloud over the city on this cloudlessly perfect day, and we just pulled over and debated whether we really wanted to go back there. 30+ years later, Chicago air is much cleaner. Chak SignatureAny sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. > "Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1144439264.818040.48310 > @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > 30+ years later, Chicago air is much cleaner. When I was growing up in NYC I frequently managed to escape in the summer, but not always. Those times when I was unlucky enough to be there in the 3H weather we'd have, I'd dread hearing on the radio that we were heading into a thermal inversion. When that happened, the air would get trapped over Manhattan, and we'd rebreath the car exhaust and soot for day after day after day. And, no, my family's apartment had no A/C. I don't think we had even more than 1 fan! Priscilla > > "Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1144439264.818040.48310 > > @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > soot for day after day after day. And, no, my family's apartment had no > A/C. I don't think we had even more than 1 fan! I grew up just outside of NYC, and we regularly went in to the city. As it happened, we were in the city on the first Earth Day (in April of 1969 or 1970). In honor of the day, one of the big fuel plants in Queens was shut down. I believe that was the first day I ever saw blue sky over Manhattan. SignatureAF > > When I was growing up in NYC I frequently managed to escape in the > > summer, but not always. Those times when I was unlucky enough to be [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > was shut down. I believe that was the first day I ever saw blue sky over > Manhattan. Heh! I was in high school then. Unfortunately, I don't remember the first Earth Day. :-( Priscilla > > > When I was growing up in NYC I frequently managed to escape in the > > > summer, but not always. Those times when I was unlucky enough to be [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Heh! I was in high school then. Unfortunately, I don't remember the > first Earth Day. :-( So was I. I think I remember specifically because of the novelty of seeing a blue sky over Manhattan. SignatureAF >> > When I was growing up in NYC I frequently managed to escape in the >> > summer, but not always. Those times when I was unlucky enough to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Heh! I was in high school then. Unfortunately, I don't remember the > first Earth Day. :-( I do. One of the activities our school encouraged was for students to pick up trash from around the school and its neighborhood. My legs were quite sore the next day. :-) I must say, though, that picking up trash gives one a new appreciation for why you shouldn't throw it down in the first place. Chak SignatureAny sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. >> > "Michelle" <bookbug2005@gmail.com> wrote in news:1144439264.818040.48310 >> > @j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >was shut down. I believe that was the first day I ever saw blue sky over >Manhattan. It's not restricted to the USA. Despite our vast spaces, the majority of Aussies live in the major cities. On clear mornings I used to drive over the hill on Highbury Rd, where I lived in an outer suburb of Melbourne in the '70s, and see a brown cloud over the city centre in the distance - and that's where I worked. Of course, in driving in to work I wasn't helping the problem. I must admit, when I changed to taking the train to work it wasn't because I was being environmentally aware. It was simply because the traffic got too slow and parking too difficult. I was a smoker, but I don't blame it for anything. I lay the blame where it belongs - on the person who made the choices to smoke, eat carelessly, exercise sporadically, work in the smog, live that lifestyle, and not push for change. But I don't dwell on it. That's history. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I was a smoker, but I don't blame it for anything. I lay the > blame where it belongs - on the person who made the choices > to smoke, eat carelessly, exercise sporadically, work in the > smog, live that lifestyle, and not push for change. But I > don't dwell on it. That's history. You know, Alan, with an attitude like that you'd probably better not come to the USA. We frown on accepting personal responsibility, here. Chak SignatureAny sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. A whole lot don't. It's just that the people who take responsibility for their own actions, never get any press time. I guess we're boring. :-) -- Cheri Chakolate wrote in message ... >You know, Alan, with an attitude like that you'd probably better not come >to the USA. We frown on accepting personal responsibility, here. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >-- >Any sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. >You know, Alan, with an attitude like that you'd probably better not come >to the USA. We frown on accepting personal responsibility, here. >Chak LOL! Yeah, we'd have to sue someone--anyone. ;-) Michelle There ya go Alan, same with me. No reason to play the blame game. A person has to do what they can on a personal level, and even though I've cut way back on the cigs, I haven't given them up. That's on me, not Phillip Morris. :-) -- Cheri Alan S wrote in message ... >I was a smoker, but I don't blame it for anything. I lay the >blame where it belongs - on the person who made the choices [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >-- >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> Yeah, smoking, passive smoking, the birth control method I used, >> gestational diabetes, a mother who dieted during pregnancy, a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Don't forget about mom not eating soy during the first trimester. It's > always good to be able to blame the mother. Especially when she's dead, and can't answer back : ) Yeah, I'm certain she didn't eat soy whilst carrying me - I'd be surprised if she ever ate it in her life. Tut, evil woman. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >Don't forget about mom not eating soy during the first trimester. It's >always good to be able to blame the mother. > >Chak Why not. I blamed mine for everything. She pointed out that I was right. Everything includes me happening to exist:-) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Chak I prefer the cesspool definition of bureaucracy. The biggest pieces float to the top. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >a grandmother who lied through a famine whilst pregnant She kept saying she wasn't? :-)) Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>a grandmother who lied through a famine whilst pregnant > > She kept saying she wasn't? Don't - my dratted child has done something to my V key again. It works if I remember to press really hard... and of course the spellchecker picks up some mistakes... but if I come o'er all poetic, it's because the key's stuck again! Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >>>a grandmother who lied through a famine whilst pregnant >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Nicky. You can use my very favourite quote to test it (I count 12 words with a "v" out of 40:-): Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965), Speech, 1941, Harrow School Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Alan, that quote is verbatim, correct? I really do like it. Billie Signaturebh-wages at swbell.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great : or small, large or petty, never give in except to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] : Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. : d&e, metformin 2x500mg >Alan, that quote is verbatim, correct? I really do like it. > >Billie I believe so; I didn't actually go to Harrow in 1941:-) I've heard other versions, but I believe that's the correct one. And wise words. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > Alan, that quote is verbatim, correct? I really do like it. Verily! Priscilla > Billie > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > : Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > : d&e, metformin 2x500mg > Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great > or small, large or petty, never give in except to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965), Speech, 1941, > Harrow School Good old Winnie. He's been featuring in our local news a lot recently - the local mental health charity had a statue commissioned of him in a straitjacket, as a tribute to how much he managed to achieve whilst suffering from bipolar disorder (alleged - never formally diagnosed, apparently). The statue lasted a day before they were made to take it down. I rather liked it. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg "J. David Anderson" <jdavidanderson_@hotmail> wrote in news:44366c14$0 $20592$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au: > Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. > > http://tinyurl.com/z9nz8 Aw, shucks, you had me going there. I thought I could stop blaming my old worn-out excuses and have something new. But second-hand smoke is already an old worn-out excuse for so many things, it's just not fun any more. Chak SignatureAny sufficiently advanced bureaucracy is indistinguishable from molasses. > Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > David ========= 100 perecent of people who do not have diabetes die within 120 years of not developing diabetes thus confirming that lack of diabetes is a major cause of death. - moshe > 100 perecent of people who do not have diabetes die within 120 years of > not developing diabetes thus confirming that lack of diabetes is a > major cause of death. You need to up the age limit. There are (or at least were) people older than 120. :) bj > > 100 perecent of people who do not have diabetes die within 120 years of > > not developing diabetes thus confirming that lack of diabetes is a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > people older than 120. > :) Yabbut they were continuing to not develop diabetes up until they died at 120+, which was within 120 years of itself. Or something like that. ;-) Priscilla > Just what was needed, someone/something else to blame. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > David A statistical association can be a far cry from causality. Moreover, type 2 diabetes arises not from a primary condition of insulin lack but insulin resistance. Will be available to "glow" and chat about this and other things like cardiology, diabetes, Bird Flu, the Lamb's opening of the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), cooking and nutrition that interest those following this thread here during the next on-line chat (04/13/06) from 5 to 6 pm EST, LORD willing: http://tinyurl.com/8w7uq For those who are put off by the signature, my advance apologies for how the LORD has reshaped me: http://tinyurl.com/7mcuo Prayerfully in Christ's love, Andrew http://tinyurl.com/gbj6w . |
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