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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / April 2006Ozgirl has a cure for hypo unawareness but won't divulge the secret
Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? Dave > Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? > > Dave Are you still trolling for attention by belittling others? I notice you particularly like to pick on women. That is usually a sign of a lack of security in your own masculinity. Try alt.support.little-peter and leave the ladies alone. >> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Try alt.support.little-peter and leave the ladies alone. She's the one who claims there's a cure, bozo! Dave >> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Try alt.support.little-peter and leave the ladies alone. I wasn't belittling her; nor was I trolling, as you so ineptly stated. I was asking for the public's help in extracting some valuable information from her. I can see that flew right over your big head. Dave >>> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dave The word "cure" was in quotes. I guess you were in detention the day they explained how the quotes modified the meaning. This is the second new thread you have started today for the sole purpose of demeaning others. Do you have any idea how childish your actions make you look? Do you understand that immediately starting your predictable name calling only serves to reduce your already miniscule credibility here? >>>> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Do you understand that immediately starting your predictable name > calling only serves to reduce your already miniscule credibility here? If you have nothing to add to this thread that is on topic, shut the hell up. dave > If you have nothing to add to this thread that is on topic, shut the > hell up. > > dave Oh, Davey! Did the mean person point out how you continue to make yourself look foolish? What are you doing now? Pouting? Holding your breath? Stomping your feet? This "thread" (another example of using quotes!) was just your pathetic cry for attention in a group that you think cares about your childish whinging. Better run to Mary and see if she will post something in support of you. Maybe she'll do it if you say "Pretty please??? With Splenda on top???"! Nite, nite. >> If you have nothing to add to this thread that is on topic, shut the >> hell up. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Nite, nite. And this is another reason I rarely read the entire group. Too much bickering. I for one am type 2 uncontroled since I fell back in Dec. and came in a hair of killing myself. I get very discouraged. The type 1's that I know, and that is quite a few, have much better control than I do. But I also agree with Ozgril I think it was, to us 200 or 300 is a big deal, maybe it isn't for you type 1's but we have to learn to live with the cards that are dealt us. http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ > I for one am type 2 uncontroled since I fell back in Dec. >and came in a hair of killing myself. I get very discouraged. What's happening? Can we help? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg  SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. Truly, no joke here. I think Alan knows the feeling though, and so do I. Please share with the group. -- Cheri Alan S wrote in message ... >> I for one am type 2 uncontroled since I fell back in Dec. >>and came in a hair of killing myself. I get very discouraged. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >-- >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >> I for one am type 2 uncontroled since I fell back in Dec. >>and came in a hair of killing myself. I get very discouraged. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg Thank you for offering but really I know what to do and I did have my bg under control until I fell down 14 steps backwards on Dec. 10. The damage, the pain, the stress, lack of movement, etc. have all played a part in my glucose going really high for me. I was one of those that didn't have to watch things too closely to maintain fairly good control and now I do. I have been talking to tigerlil in chat about the amount of carbs I should start out trying to eat to regain control. I have also finally learned to drink a sugar free soft drink, which will help on those days that I just think I have to have something besides water, but so far no change in my bg. The lowest it has been in ages, other than when I accidentally took Humulin R for Lantus and dropped because of that, has been 147 and that was a night that I slept really well and for about 10 hours. Rest of the time it is anywhere from between 180-405, of course the 405 was a 2 hr. pp. I mainly posted because of the statement about fibromyalgia because I do have it and it is not all in my head. I wish it was. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things >>> I for one am type 2 uncontroled since I fell back in Dec. >>>and came in a hair of killing myself. I get very discouraged. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ >Recipes and other fun things Hi Jac I sympathise; a fall gets more frightening as we pass our middle years. And more dangerous. If you ever feel like posting some menus as well as the numbers, let us know in a separate thread. A couple of your comments there are a little worrying about your knowledge of cause and effect. Like "finally learned to drink a sugar free soft drink". What advice has your doc given on the numbers and how to get them down? I can't advise on insulin (some here can) but there is something obviously unbalanced in your insulin/food/activity/BGs mix. Those are scary numbers; are you still on medication for the injuries? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. snipped to make shorter >If you ever feel like posting some menus as well as the >numbers, let us know in a separate thread. A couple of your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg Alan, I really appreciate the help offered but really do not know where to start. Menus are planned around my father who is soon to be 84, I figure I will do my best, while he is still with us, to feed him what he wants. I realize that is not what is best for me, but I can normally alter enough to make it OK for me. I have, until this point, refused to cook two different meals for the two of us, but I may really have to start. Now I know how to start a new thread, but I really don't want to do anything that is just about me. LOL stupid I guess but that's OK too. Gotta run for a bit, will check back in later. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things > Alan, I really appreciate the help offered but really do not know > where to start. Menus are planned around my father who is soon to be > 84, I figure I will do my best, while he is still with us, to feed > him what he wants. I realize that is not what is best for me, but I > can normally alter enough to make it OK for me. Hi Jac, could you cook meals that are mostly low-carb, but with a high carb side for your father? What kind of stuff does he like to eat, anyway? Maybe we could make suggestions... I'm getting quite good at juggling my 3 carb eaters meals with mine, whilst not cooking 2 meals! One key I've found is to put food in serving dishes on the table - that way everyone can choose how much (or not) they want. Yesterday, for instance, we had omelettes for supper. Mine was topped with smoked salmon; theirs were cheese (they hate fish). There were fries as well as a green salad on the table; I skipped the fries, everyone had salad. Tonight we had a Chinese take-out; I skipped the noodles, and had a small portion of everything else. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >Hi Jac, could you cook meals that are mostly low-carb, but with a high carb >side for your father? What kind of stuff does he like to eat, anyway? Maybe [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Nicky. My dad's favorite meal is green beans, seasoned with bacon grease, fried corn, fried okra, fried potatoes and cornbread, Oh and fried apples. (and he grows all his own vegetables) Do I feed him that very often, nope because I would get sick of it if I did. But he will not eat anything baked to speak of, it has to be fried and fried in hog grease as my mother always said. He will eat a baked potato, but that is about it. I have been trying to steam veggies lately and all he will say to me, is what did you do to those veggies. Neither of my parents had cholesterol problems, either. Prior to my mother's death, almost a year ago, I was starting to bake more foods, because she wanted them that way, he ate them with no problem, because that is what mother wanted. (she had medication induced diabetes) If I bake something now, he fusses he doesn't like it. On the other hand his memory is getting bad and lots of times he doesn't even know what we are eating, but he will still tell me if it is good or bad. Lots of times I think he is depressed due to Mother's death and he just can't stand the fact that I am doing all the cooking, although I had done most of it for the last seven years. She just made the menus. Now tomorrow morning is Sunday and he will do all the cooking for breakfast, he will fix, eggs, sausage, fried potatoes, and either toast or biscuits and gravy, that is the only day of the week he gets fried potatoes, because I just will not fry them. I will eat two eggs, two pieces of sausage and maybe a spoonful of the potatoes and drink some 2% milk, but I do not eat the bread and like I said very few potatoes. Only eat them because he would be hurt if I didn't, well I do love fried potatoes, too. Then off to church we go. After we get home I normally fix dinner around 2 or 3 PM. Have no idea what I am going to have tomorrow, it may be a meatloaf that I have frozen from a previous meal, with a salad and some kind of hot veggie like broccoli or something. Won't be corn or peas or any really starchy veggie. After that we will not eat again unless he decides he wants a sandwich for supper and if so I will give him one and if I am hungry I will take a slice of bologna and put it between two slices of cheese and eat that. Pretty much, other than breakfast that is how we eat all week. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things If I get to be 84, and he's still alive, I wish to dine with him. :-) -- Cheri "I have learned that making a living, is not the same thing as making a life."... Maya Angelou Jac wrote in message ... >My dad's favorite meal is green beans, seasoned with bacon grease, >fried corn, fried okra, fried potatoes and cornbread, Oh and fried [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >he will say to me, is what did you do to those veggies. Neither of my >parents had cholesterol problems, either. Wow, Jac, I can sure understand where you come from. A daughter really wants to please her dad. I tried for years. When my parents were elderly my mom got Alzheimer's and my dad lost his vision to macular degeneration so he couldn't drive and be independent anymore. At the time I was raising 3 kids, working for my then-husband's business, and going to school. My older brother saw the stress I was under and (since his family was all grown) moved Mom & Dad to his house. Mom eventually went to a nursing home. Dad remained at my brother's home for years, and my brother was really good at encouraging (forcing!) my dad to be as independent as possible. He did a great job. I could never have done what my brother did. I always felt like I had to "take care" of my dad, and catered to his every need. He took advantage of my caring attitude--bossed me around, which he wouldn't do to anyone else. It wasn't until my brother straightened him out that I realized that I had been enabling him to "use" me. You also need to take care of yourself. Your dad needs to know how eating affects your health. If he doesn't understand, just do what you need to be as healthy as you are able. You shouldn't give in to your father's "fusses." Believe me, I only realize this because of what my brother did. I would be in the same position as you are if I hadn't learned from my older brother. Mary >>Hi Jac, could you cook meals that are mostly low-carb, but with a high carb >>side for your father? What kind of stuff does he like to eat, anyway? Maybe [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ > Recipes and other fun things > My dad's favorite meal is green beans, seasoned with bacon grease, > fried corn, fried okra, fried potatoes and cornbread, Oh and fried > apples. Ah, it's all coming back to me ;) He's the grits man isn't he? Fried corn, I am trying to imagine it :) >>Hi Jac, could you cook meals that are mostly low-carb, but with a high carb >>side for your father? What kind of stuff does he like to eat, anyway? Maybe [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] >http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ >Recipes and other fun things Hi Jac That doesn't sound right, phonetically, in these post troubled times:-) Don't change your diet - yet. Do it day after tomorrow. I understand your need to help and live with your father. However, you won't be able to help him much if he outlives you or you get complications. There endeth the sermon. Try testing an hour after every meal. Let him see you test. Don't say anything, but when the test is high after breakfast, delete the potatoes next time - and test again an hour later. Keep repeating that process. Eventually, I'm pretty sure that you will be deleting not just the potatoes, but also the toast, biscuits, gravy, milk, juice, and most other carbs at breakfast. Do the same at lunch and dinner. You'll find there are some meals where you can handle some carbs, and some you can't. As it progresses, he will understand why from seeing you test. I do all the cooking in our house, for two. We rarely have identical main courses - the veges go in the middle. Last night I had grilled salmon, she had lamb chops, I had 1/4 of a boiled potato, she had 3/4, we both had a large serve of braised cabbage with chopped bacon, and mashed pumpkin(squash), but she didn't have any steamed broccoli. That's as close as we get - often my meal is completely different to hers. No problems - she gives me the impression she likes it that way; partly because she hates seafood and broccoli, and hopefully because she'd like me to hang around a while longer. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >As it progresses, he will understand why from seeing you >test. Alan, My father is in early stages of Alzheimer's he is not going to get the point of anything. I am just happy he still eats. He knows I am a diabetic, but it means nothing to him. Just like the other day my sister, who has been on the heart transplant list, said to us, that it was easier to eat to her heart diet than it was a diabetic diet, she too is diabetic. Our dad asked her when she started having heart problems. He even visited her in the ICU unit 2 or 3 years ago. I don't do the biscuits and gravy thing on Sunday morning, nor do I do the juice, I do have a few of his potatoes, but I told him tonight, if he remembers in the morning, not to fry as many because I didn't think I would be eating any. The only things I am sure I can't eat is refined sugar, such as regular soda and candy and cakes. I also know I cannot eat any cereal of any kind, it spiked me even before I got so out of control. I had my 3 month labs last week and will get the results Thursday. After that I may make a post about them and where I am headed. I appreciate everyone's concern and when some folks on here from chat see I am still up they are going to fuss at me because I swore I was going to bed at 9 PM tonight and then didn't leave chat until 11 and here I sit reading the newsgroup, but I do have a feel, about the people around here now. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things >Alan, My father is in early stages of Alzheimer's he is not going to >get the point of anything. Sorry to hear that. I know what being a caregiver to dementia is like, and you have a harder row to hoe. But, think about that. Will he really notice or remember if you eat differently to him? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Sorry to hear that. I know what being a caregiver to >dementia is like, and you have a harder row to hoe. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg Alan, First let me start with my FBS was 137 this morning, at 1 hour it was 211 and at 3 hours it was 222 and now at 4 hours, with nothing but water since breakfast it is 218, moving very slow. Couldn't test at 2 hours because I was in church and really hated to pull out my meter. I was so proud of the fbs but then the one, three and four hours just made me depressed. Now about my Dad, he may not remember what he ate, but at the same time if he doesn't like it he may not eat. He is underweight as is and I sure don't need him not eating. On the other hand, I said he has Alzheimer, really we do not know if it is that or just dementia, either way it is a bad thing to have and to live with. But, he is still able to mow grass, plow and plant his garden, drive short distances and ride his 4-wheeler in the mountains, although we do not let him go alone. Right now it seems like his memory is worse than it has been, but that may be because the weather has not allowed him to go outside and work much, and the fact that April 27th my mother will have been gone for one year. I know that is playing on his mind really bad. He never forgets a birthday, or holiday although he may have the wrong holiday. Like St. Patrick's day was Valentine's day to him. I watched him in church this morning to see if he was able to follow along with the service and he was, he could even repeat the creed, without using the book. Of course we have been Methodist all my life and that is part of almost every service and I think I could repeat it before I started in school. With all this sad, I know I am going to have to start watching even more closely what I eat, but first have to start working on figuring out what spikes me. I have faith, I will get there it just may be slower than I desire. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things > Alan, First let me start with my FBS was 137 this morning, at 1 hour > it was 211 and at 3 hours it was 222 and now at 4 hours, with nothing > but water since breakfast it is 218, moving very slow. Couldn't test > at 2 hours because I was in church and really hated to pull out my > meter. I was so proud of the fbs but then the one, three and four > hours just made me depressed. Don't be depressed - that's something called Dawn Phenomenon. It's your liver dumping glucose into your blood stream to help you fight that sabre toothed tiger... There's 3 main ways to fight it. First, don't continue to fast; you'll need to find out the best breakfast for you, but you need to eat something, maybe something with a little carbs. 6g carbs does it for me. Next, try a bedtime snack, something a little carby with protein - peanut butter on crackers, for example. A glass of red wine won't hurt either, if you like it. The third route is metformin, but that can take a while to work. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg >>Sorry to hear that. I know what being a caregiver to >>dementia is like, and you have a harder row to hoe. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >meter. I was so proud of the fbs but then the one, three and four >hours just made me depressed. Hi Jac Read Nicky's comment again - she's right. Fasting after you rise is not a good idea - and you just demonstrated why. If you want to read more on this, go to: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/diabetes/faq/part2/ Scroll down to near the foot to: "Why is my morning bg high? What are dawn phenomenon, rebound, and Somogyi effect?" Dawn phenomenon is the relevant one here. The simple answer is to have breakfast fairly soon after you wake, and to test the results an hour after breakfast to see if it helped or hurt. Some have found that they need a few carbs in their breakfast (not many) and some, like me, have to have a carb-free breakfast. Also, as Nicky mentioned, a late night small snack seems to help some of us. YMMV. >Now about my Dad, he may not remember what he ate, but at the same >time if he doesn't like it he may not eat. I was suggesting that you become a short-order cook:-) Different meals for the two of you. Earlier you said: "he will fix, eggs, sausage, fried potatoes, and either toast or biscuits and gravy, that is the only day of the week he gets fried potatoes, because I just will not fry them. I will eat two eggs, two pieces of sausage and maybe a spoonful of the potatoes and drink some 2% milk, but I do not eat the bread and like I said very few potatoes. " So - eat two eggs, two sausages, NO potatoes and NO milk and see what your test results are. Something that may surprise you is that most supermarket sausages are up to 20% carb from the filling added to the mix as a preservative and stabiliser. Incidentally, I just finished breakfast before typing this. One egg, one rasher of bacon (like back bacon to you). I'm not starving; in around 2 1/2 hours I'll have a light low-carb snack of some sort, at midday a light lunch (probably a bowl of home-made soup) and so on. And if eating when you rise is not the right time for him - still eat when you rise and feed him later. > He is underweight as is >and I sure don't need him not eating. Fry his potatoes every day if he wants you to. Just don't eat them yourself. Feed him exactly what he wants. That does not mean that you must eat what he eats. In type of food or portion size or method of cooking or timing. You have two ill people in that house with different treatment requirements. There is no reason both requirements cannot be met. It may take a little extra planning and some imagination - but it will be worth it. If you aren't careful you may end up blaming your father's needs for your own ill health; that's not a road you want to go down. > On the other hand, I said he >has Alzheimer, really we do not know if it is that or just dementia, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >more closely what I eat, but first have to start working on figuring >out what spikes me. Same thing. It's a process of eat, test, review, adjust; eat, test, review, adjust. Your diet, not his. > I have faith, I will get there I'm sure you will. Faith is great, but action works quicker:-) >it just may be slower than I desire. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >Hi Jac > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >rebound, and Somogyi effect?" Dawn phenomenon is the >relevant one here. No you all misunderstood me, I ate breakfast right after I got up and tested. On Sundays I stay in bed until he gets breakfast ready then I get up, go to the bathroom, test then eat. Then I shower, get dressed and go to church. The numbers were one hour, three hours and four hours after breakfast. >The simple answer is to have breakfast fairly soon after you >wake, and to test the results an hour after breakfast to see >if it helped or hurt. Some have found that they need a few >carbs in their breakfast (not many) and some, like me, have >to have a carb-free breakfast. Also, as Nicky mentioned, a >late night small snack seems to help some of us. YMMV. I have never been a big breakfast person, I did try to start eating when I first found out I was a diabetic, because I was on meds that I had to eat with. Lantus does allow you the freedom of skipping a meal. Most days I do not get up until between 9- 11 AM because I normally don't go to bed until around 3 AM. I also have sleep apnea and have not slept well in years. I do use Cpap and do much better, if I could just quit staying up so late. Tomorrow is a new day, and I am going to eat breakfast, just don't know what yet. May have to boil me an egg, because I know I can't have cereal, learned that really quick. I am also going to start trying to cut down on my milk intake, but I love milk. Rarely ever do I eat a meal without milk >>Now about my Dad, he may not remember what he ate, but at the same >>time if he doesn't like it he may not eat. > >I was suggesting that you become a short-order cook:-) >Different meals for the two of you. Short order cook? I am an old fashion cook, never cooked short order in my life. LOL, and have always sworn I would never cook two separate meals, don't mind the cooking it is the chopping and washing dishes that I hate. I hate to chop food because it hurts my back to stand at the cabinet that long to chop, so I have started sitting down for that, well I had no choice after I fell. Dishes, I just plain hate doing them. We have a dishwasher but pots and pans don't go in it, or at least we don't put them in it. I must also say that I do not use processed meals, like anything frozen, I cook everything from scratch, well just about everything. I keep something on hand for quick meals when I have no idea what time Dad will be home from the mountains or when he will be ready to eat. But I also cook in quantity. Like when I make a meatloaf, I don't make one, I make seven. We eat one, give each of my sister's one, one of them might get two if I am in a good mood or if she is the one that asked me to fix them. The others go in the freezer for another meal. BBQ, I make about 6 lbs of it at a time and all but enough for a meal goes in the freezer. Soups and stews, I make 2-3 gallons at a time, freeze what is not eaten. I normally have at least 30 meals in the freezer at any given time and when I fell this really came in handy, unfortunately right now I probably don't have more than 5 because of eating it all and not being able to replace it yet. I mean, heaven forbid I went 14 weeks without washing. I am still not caught up. Also, that was not because I wanted to let it go that long, but I was not able to get up and down our stairs to do the laundry. >So - eat two eggs, two sausages, NO potatoes and NO milk and >see what your test results are. Something that may surprise [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >light low-carb snack of some sort, at midday a light lunch >(probably a bowl of home-made soup) and so on. I have already said, no potatoes next week. >And if eating when you rise is not the right time for him - >still eat when you rise and feed him later. He eats the minute he gets up every morning, as a matter of fact I have always been shocked that he could wait to cook on Sunday to eat, because he eats a huge bowl of cereal every morning but Sunday. I buy at least 3 boxes of cereal a week for him and between the two of us we drink about 5 gallons of milk a week. >> He is underweight as is >>and I sure don't need him not eating. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >not mean that you must eat what he eats. In type of food or >portion size or method of cooking or timing. Sorry, that is the one thing I refuse to fix is fried potatoes, actually, I didn't even learn to fry foods until my mother passed away because I just cannot stand that long to fry, so I do my best to keep that down, but I do fry him pork chops and chicken about every two weeks. I broil our steak, and I do sometimes fix polish sausage and kraut on top of the stove. But mainly we eat things like beef roasts, pork roasts, a little ham here and there and then I make other things with the left over's from those things. We eat a lot of vegetables too, and they are normally cooked on top of the stove with butter. Except for greens and he has to have bacon grease in them and I don't like them so that is one time I do fix things just for him. I do fry his corn, his apples and things like that. When we have green beans and fried corn, I fry him some hog jowl to go with it, but I do my best to get him to fry that. When I fix his apples, he doesn't know it but I use that brown sugar twinn to sweeten them and most of the time, or here lately I have stewed them rather than fry. >You have two ill people in that house with different >treatment requirements. There is no reason both requirements >cannot be met. It may take a little extra planning and some >imagination - but it will be worth it. Imagination is something I admit I am lacking. I was into math, chemistry and biology, and have never been really creative, but I am doing my best to get there. BTW, I don't imagine I have told you all this, but I am a Medical Technologist, but have not worked in years. >If you aren't careful you may end up blaming your father's >needs for your own ill health; that's not a road you want to >go down. No I will not blame my father's needs for my own health. I took care of my mother for seven years and yes my health did suffer but it was not her fault. I was put on insulin one day and that night my mother was hospitalized so I learned to give it while staying 24/7 with my mother. I rarely left her side, I mean I showered and did the whole nine yards at the hospital. I ate all my meals there and slept in a chair there sometimes for 8 or 9 days without coming home. They got to know me so well at the hospital that the last few times she was in they put us in a semi-private room and gave me the other bed to sleep in. She was in ICU for about 15 days before she died and they never once asked me to leave, well yes one time the doctor made me go home because he said I was exhausted and she was in a coma and wouldn't know I wasn't there. >Same thing. It's a process of eat, test, review, adjust; >eat, test, review, adjust. Your diet, not his. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I'm sure you will. Faith is great, but action works >quicker:-) Well, I have, for the last week, written down everything that has gone in my mouth and every bg test that I have done and I have a doctor's appointment on Thursday and he is going to sit down and go over it with me and see what we can do about it. I have the greatest doctor on earth, but he likes to move slow. But me, I want to get it done fast and he says that is one of my problems. I say it is his problem he wants to move so slow. >Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg > >Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. I love this tag line. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things >>Hi Jac >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >No you all misunderstood me, I ate breakfast right after I got up and >tested. Well, we got a little confused as a result of this: This what you wrote: "Alan, First let me start with my FBS was 137 this morning, at 1 hour it was 211 and at 3 hours it was 222 and now at 4 hours, with nothing but water since breakfast it is 218, moving very slow." No mention of breakfast. Hence, confusion. So, exactly what did you eat and drink? I was going to answer in detail, but decided not to. Read the various responses you've had from different people, then read your own answers. In the section I cut, some snippets for you to muse on. Pretend you're an outsider looking in at a post by a newby: >I have never been a big breakfast person, I did try to start eating >when I first found out I was a diabetic, <snip> > I am also going to start trying to cut down on my milk intake, >but I love milk. Rarely ever do I eat a meal without milk <snip> >LOL, and have always sworn I would never cook two >separate meals, <snip> >I have already said, no potatoes next week. And milk?? > I buy >at least 3 boxes of cereal a week for him and between the two of us we >drink about 5 gallons of milk a week. > >Imagination is something I admit I am lacking. <snip> It's amazing what you can learn to do and like once you realise that your life depends on it. I realise I've focused on the negatives - however this bit is very positive: >Well, I have, for the last week, written down everything that has gone >in my mouth and every bg test that I have done and I have a doctor's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >fast and he says that is one of my problems. I say it is his problem >he wants to move so slow. So, do us both a favour. Post those results here - portions, timing, test results, test timing relative to meals etc. You will get some constructive criticism to think about. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >So, do us both a favour. Post those results here - portions, >timing, test results, test timing relative to meals etc. You >will get some constructive criticism to think about. > >Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. >d&e, metformin 2x500mg I have a feeling I am not doing us both a favor. Just remember, that I have just started feeling like working on this bg problem since the fall. Right now I am really in learning mode, because first, prior to falling, I would some times have high numbers but not too often and when I did I could always pretty much follow them back to what I ate, but sometimes I didn't remember at first and would get all upset. Now, I have made the comment and I really did think I had done better with this, that I had kept track of all meals, this past week, when fixing this to post I realized that I have not. Just a few of them actually. I do not want to post them here to be archived to the world, so I am posting them on my website so I can take down afterwards. These are also hard to read, but the program I use doesn't do great with these things and I normally clean them up before I take them to the doctor. I did delete a lot of the unnecessary things such as what finger I stuck, was it a clean needle, what meter was used, etc. http://www.mountain-breeze.com/database.html I don't know what I am having for breakfast but for dinner, we are going to have a baked fish recipe that I found that has 12 carbs, salad, low fat dressing, will have to check carbs on that, may have to switch to something else, probably asparagus, altho I may fix dad a baked potato and me just the salad and fish and going to cut down to 4 oz of milk. I know that people are going to fuss over what I have been eating, but really I have tried and also there is very little food written down I thought it was all down. I will have to check my palm later today and see if some of it is on it. I sometimes do that too cause Jack, that's my doctor, always looks at it too. I did notice tho' that I ate breakfast at least one time last week. I shutting up now and going to bed. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things >I know that people are going to fuss over what I have been eating, Never worry about that. Accept what seems useful, ignore any twits, and think for a while about what's in between. Checking web-site. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg SignatureEverything in Moderation - Except Laughter. > I did delete a lot of the unnecessary things such as what >finger I stuck, was it a clean needle, what meter was used, etc. > >http://www.mountain-breeze.com/database.html Hi Jac Good morning. First thoughts. Actually, my first thought was to confirm with your doc that you are really type 2. Those numbers are consistently too high. The second thought was to read Jennifer's advice at http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/NewlyDiagnosed.htm again to get some system to your testing regimen. Please print it out and put it on your fridge door. I'm a patient, not a doc. Check with one if in doubt. Breakfast for the next few days - eggs in any form you like, with bacon or ham or steak or fish and/or onions, mushrooms or cheese. No milk, potatoes, bread, corn, cereal, juice, milk or any other form of carb before 11am. These are general ideas - use your own imagination and what's in season. For the next week eat at least six times a day - breakfast, morning snack, lunch, mid-afternoon, dinner, supper. They don't have to all be meals - but something. A 'tween-meals snack could be half an apple, or a piece of cheese, or a celery strip dipped in a dip or a half avocado. Reduce the size of the main meals to compensate. And test ONE hour after each meal. Cut from your diet for the next week (one week won't kill you - be careful calculating insulin): Fried food of all types. Potatoes in any form. All root vegetables. Supermarket or Butcher's Sausages (european style sausages - salami, bologna, wurst etc are ok) Milk. Doesn't matter if it's whole, 2% or skim. Drop it. Real Cream is OK. Noodles (incl chicken noodle soup). Pasta. All breads and bakery products. All rice. All juice. All corn and corn products. All fruit drinks. Eat in small but regular portions: Meats Fruit Grains (afternoons and evenings only) Nuts Eat as much as you want: Fish Seafood Greens Watery veges - celery, broccoli, cabbages, bak choi etc Onions Capsicums/peppers Cauliflower Asparagus and similar. Ask Kate from here to post the link to her veges page. Good luck - and check the doc if you're in doubt. Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. d&e, metformin 2x500mg I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. >>So, do us both a favour. Post those results here - portions, >>timing, test results, test timing relative to meals etc. You [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > fixing this to post I realized that I have not. Just a few of them > actually. I hope you're remembering to record the carby meals, not your usual ones. What you're recording is too carby for a T2 not on insulin and unable to exercise. (What you describe as your cooking habits sound great - just don't add the garlic bread or cake : ) But you're saying you're on Lantus - I think you need to write down everything that passes your lips, plus readings, and discuss with your doctor. Something doesn't compute right now. It may be that adjusting your insulin dose might allow you to continue to eat the way your doing without increasing your stress levels further - stress itself will lift your BGs, and you've got more than your share at the moment. Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg > My dad's favorite meal is green beans, seasoned with bacon grease, > fried corn, fried okra, fried potatoes and cornbread, Oh and fried [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > he will say to me, is what did you do to those veggies. Neither of my > parents had cholesterol problems, either. Ew : ) Sounds like my Dad. But if he's got to 84, he's doing fine on it, Alzheimer's notwithstanding. Would steamed veggies with bacon grease poured over do it for him? Maybe you need to use those good ingredients to make both meals, with different preparation methods? Nicky. SignatureA1c 10.5/5.4/<6 T2 DX 05/2004 1g Metformin, 100ug Thyroxine 95/74/72Kg I > mainly posted because of the statement about fibromyalgia because I do > have it and it is not all in my head. I wish it was. You seem defensive. :) dave > I >> mainly posted because of the statement about fibromyalgia because I >> do have it and it is not all in my head. I wish it was. > > You seem defensive. :) Well when anyone with a disorder that is not clear cut comes in here there are a couple of people who pooh hoo them ... I can understand people who have witnessed this not wanting to make their problems known for fear of the same treatment. >> I >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I can understand people who have witnessed this not wanting > to make their problems known for fear of the same treatment. My point is that she stated right off the bat that it's not in her head. That's defensiveness, regardless of the cause, sweetie! dave >>> I >>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My point is that she stated right off the bat that it's not in her > head. That's defensiveness, regardless of the cause, sweetie! Of course it is, but not unjustified. That's defensiveness, regardless of the cause, > sweetie! > > Of course it is, but not unjustified. My gawd, are we agreeing on something? (I think the world just stopped spinning on it's axis!) Dave >My point is that she stated right off the bat that it's not in her head. > That's defensiveness, regardless of the cause, sweetie! > >dave Dave, I decided to download all the posts and I took you off kill file when I did because I really had not judged for myself if you had anything useful to say or not. Yes I was defensive, when you made the comment that if someone (and I do not recall who) had said they had fibromyalgia you would say they were a hypochondriac. That is probably not the exact wording of what you said but it is the jest of it. I lived with pain for many years, lost my job, that I loved, because of it, and it took years for them to decide it was fms. Mostly it took getting a good doctor that knew what he was talking about and the first time he saw me he said, (and this was before fms was dx'ed frequently) I have an article I want you to read, and will do some more lab tests and then we will talk about the article, because I have a feeling you have fms. After the tests came back he did the trigger point tests and yes, I was dx'ed. I live with it, I don't or didn't take any pain meds for it before I fell on Dec. 10, but that is another story. He has told me many times that I am a very unusual case because I rarely complain about the pain from it, but I personally know it is there and really feel that anyone that knows anything about fms knows it is there and there is no need in me complaining, because I will not take pain meds on a regular basis. MsJac http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ Recipes and other fun things >>My point is that she stated right off the bat that it's not in her head. >> That's defensiveness, regardless of the cause, sweetie! [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ > Recipes and other fun things Jac, I believe you are referring to Lizard Queen, who, on her first post that included unremarkable bg readings. the way she was going on about them, made me deride her, as I get sick of people carrying on about fairly low "high" numbers like 130. the more she wrote, the more she seemed paranoid about her bodily sensations to the point where I labelled her a hypocho. Later on, her posts revealed she has experienced rapidly dropping bg's which we could take to be RH, for sure. Had she mentioned such numbers in the beginning, I would not have formed my opinion that she is a hypoch. Fibromyalgia is a differerential diagnosis, is it not? A host of symptoms that are often labelled idiopathic. for that reason, I mentioned FM. In other words, there is a stigma attached to the word. For someone suffering from the symtoms of FM, my heart goes out to them, as I got a second hand account of the disease from the daughter of a co-worker. If I truly offended you, I apologize sincerely, and deeply. BTW, I'm up in the middle of the night because I just found my bg to be 303, so I took a bolus and want to make sure the numbers start heading south before I jump back in bed. Dave >>>If you have nothing to add to this thread that is on topic, shut the >>>hell up. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ apparently you can't comprehend what you read. I never said that 200-300 was no big deal for a type 2. dave >>>>If you have nothing to add to this thread that is on topic, shut the >>>>hell up. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>>This "thread" (another example of using quotes!) was just your >>>pathetic cry for attention in a group that you think cares about >>>your childish whinging. >>> >>>Better run to Mary and see if she will post something in support of >>>you. Maybe she'll do it if you say "Pretty please??? With Splenda on >>>top???"! >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> control than I do. But I also agree with Ozgril I think it was, to >> us 200 or 300 is a big deal, maybe it isn't for you type 1's but we >> have to learn to live with the cards that are dealt us. >> >> http://www.mountain-breeze.com/ > apparently you can't comprehend what you read. I never said that > 200-300 was no big deal for a type 2. Lol, Dave, you did the same thing. Jac never mentioned your name. >>>>>If you have nothing to add to this thread that is on > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > Lol, Dave, you did the same thing. Jac never mentioned your > name. I wasn't sure if she read me wrong or someone else, but the point is that 200-300 IS a big deal for ANY type. What idiot actually wrote that 200-300 is no big deal? I'll put them up for moron of the week. Dave > I wasn't sure if she read me wrong or someone else, but the point is > that 200-300 IS a big deal for ANY type. What idiot actually wrote > that 200-300 is no big deal? I'll put them up for moron of the week. Dunno, but you want to hope it wasn't you after that comment, lol. >>I wasn't sure if she read me wrong or someone else, but > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dunno, but you want to hope it wasn't you after that > comment, lol. In my lamest moment, I would NEVER say that 200-300 is ok. dave On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 21:25:33 -0500, Langerhans <langerhans@example.net> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >>>> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >Do you understand that immediately starting your predictable name >calling only serves to reduce your already miniscule credibility here? and this after he made the big production and promise to the entire group NOT to be disruptive and behave in this manner and to listen to people when they called him on it. Aesop wrote of David in the story of the of the scorpion and the frog. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Dave Dave, she owes nothing to anyone here. Your demeaning actions will not help either. I take it that you do not or cannot work so you have lots of time on your hands based on the number of posts you make. I would suggest that you find an activity that taxes your skills and brain power. Try knitting, needle point, carving bass wood, modeling or some such. Your spending way to much time here. RB >Your spending way to much time here. And why oh why do people continue to answer (and quote in entirety) known trolls. You know, don't you, that trolls post things that people won't be able to resist answering so as to avoid kill files. But right now, I've got bigger fish to fry... Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G >>Your spending way to much time here. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic > Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G and you are wasting your time in this thread because...? Dave >Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic >Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G Your quiet right Gary, I should have snipped. Sorry about that. To imply that I am a troll is simply wrong. David's behavior and his attacks on various people here should indicate that he has some serious issues. This was my first response to him in a long time. I was serious in my suggestion that he find another outlet for his aggressions. Sorry to have bothered you. RB >>Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic >>Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > RB I think you are only bothering me. Dave "RB" <RB@home.com> wrote in message > This was my first response to him in a long time. > I was serious in my suggestion that he find another outlet for his > aggressions. > > Sorry to have bothered you. RB, Gary wasn't calling you a troll, just questioning why some of us leave parts of the messages of known trolls in our replies. > "RB" <RB@home.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > some of us leave parts of the messages of known trolls in > our replies. There are trolls here? I must have them all KF'd. Dave >"RB" <RB@home.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >some of us leave parts of the messages of known trolls in >our replies. Guess I read it wrong. Thanks for the correction, Ozgirl. RB "RB" <RB@home.com> wrote in message > Guess I read it wrong. Thanks for the correction, Cowgirl. No worries ;) > RB, Gary wasn't calling you a troll, just questioning why >some of us leave parts of the messages of known trolls in >our replies. What she said... I haven't got an aggressive bone in my body. Wanna make sumptin outta that? Huh? Huh? Of course, I'm just adding to a troll's thread by replying at all. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G > What she said... I haven't got an aggressive bone in my body. > Wanna make sumptin outta that? Huh? Huh? > > Of course, I'm just adding to a troll's thread by replying at all. > Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa! So why are you wasting your time, bozo? Dave >>>>Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > RB your few moments here is WAAY too much time here, for me. Hush up. Dave > your few moments here is WAAY too much time here, for me. > > Hush up. > > Dave I think I forgot my grammar. Let me try again: Your few moments here are waaay too many for me. Dave When I saw a new post with 17 replies already, I thought it must be something interesting. What a waste of time! You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. > When I saw a new post with 17 replies already, I thought it must be > something interesting. What a waste of time! You all ought to be > ashamed of yourselves. We are, but were having so much fun! Dave Must be 18 or 19 now, with yours and mine. For shame. ;-) -- Cheri Temujin wrote in message <1144345734.676369.47230@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>... >When I saw a new post with 17 replies already, I thought it must be >something interesting. What a waste of time! You all ought to be >ashamed of yourselves. > Must be 18 or 19 now, with yours and mine. For shame. ;-) > -- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>something interesting. What a waste of time! You all ought to be >>ashamed of yourselves. How you doing, Cheri? Have you seen my fan club come out of the woodwork this morning to do a little battle? Dave Doing well David. Had a chance with the break in the rain to get out there and get my back lawn mowed, and actually felt the sun on my face. Did you see the movie "The Fan" with Robert DeNiro and Wesley Snipes? Now, that's a fan. LOL Hope all goes well with you, and you're staying dry too. -- Cheri David wrote in message ... >How you doing, Cheri? Have you seen my fan club come out of the >woodwork this morning to do a little battle? > >Dave > Doing well David. Had a chance with the break in the rain to get out > there and get my back lawn mowed, and actually felt the sun on my face. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >>Dave Hi Cheri, it's dry right now but tomorrow it might be raining again. I don't recall anywhere near this much rain here since the 70's. I'm not sure I saw "the Fan", but I can guess as to the mindset of the title character. :) Dave >> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Try alt.support.little-peter and leave the ladies alone. More than 1/2 the posters are female. I don't "pick" on women in particular. I'm an equal opportunity responder. I don't care what color or gender you are. It's the content that determines how I respond. Maybe you are a man-hater. dave > Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? I can't remember saying I had a cure, but I did ask Tim if he had spoken to his doctor to see if there was a "cure", meaning remedy. Thanks for putting my name in lights, I love it! >>Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > meaning remedy. Thanks for putting my name in lights, I love > it! I figured you wouldn't object. Besides, if you did, what's the worst that could happen? <g> dave On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 02:41:12 GMT, "Ozgirl" <are_we_there_yet@maccas.com> Huffed and Puffed the following into the madness of usenet: >> Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying >problem? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >meaning remedy. Thanks for putting my name in lights, I love >it! psst, there are remedies. anyone with less than 30 seconds and the ability to google will find them. But David already new that. He's just being himself. SignatureMâck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins Jesus never hated anyone. DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . > Will you all ask her for the cure for this annoying problem? > > Dave poor poor little Davey can't get his own way, and wants to make fun of someone you received your reply..... there are MANY Doctors who can alieviate hypo UNawareness and they all do it the same way........ odd how that happens try readiing what the other posters have responded to this comment in the original thread Davey needs his own little thread.......... what a grown up little boy he is >>Will you all ask her for the cure for this > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Davey needs his own little thread.......... what a > grown up little boy he is Post a link or shut up. dave to quote you....... do your own google search treating hypo unawareness > > "David" <David@invalid.com> wrote in message news:tcudnWMtGM5t86nZnZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com... > >>Will you all ask her for the cure for this > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > dave > to quote you....... do your own google search > > treating hypo unawareness show me the secret of curing hypo unawareness, or be quiet. Dave HOW TO AMELIORATE THE PROBLEM OF HYPOGLYCAEMIA IN INTENSIVE AS WELL AS NON-INTENSIVE TREATMENT OF TYPE 1 DIABETES Intensive therapy in Type 1 diabetes has been shown to increase the frequency of severe hypoglycaemia. This study asks the questions - is it possible to maintain long-term HbA1c levels of less than 7.0% without increasing the frequency of severe hypoglycaemia and secondly is it possible to do this without increasing the frequency of mild, recurrent hypoglycaemia? The author maintains that the answer is 'yes' and the key factors are use of a physiological model of insulin replacement and the education of patients so that they are able to make the appropriate decisions about insulin dose based on blood monitoring and eating patterns. He goes on to point out that whenever the HbA1c is less than 6.0 [where the upper normal limit is 5.5%] and the patient does not report autonomic warning symptoms [classic early warning symptoms] when their blood glucose is less than 3.0mmol/l, then hypoglycaemia unawareness should be suspected. Patients with hypo unawareness should be treated with short-term meticulous avoidance of hypos which reverses the abnormalities of responses of symptoms, hormonal counter-regulation and brain cognitive function and therefore decreases the risk of severe hypoglycaemia. This does not result in a loss of long-term near normal blood glucose levels. http://www.iddtinternational.org/healthissues/hypoglycaemia.htm this was the third URL after the search conditions i gave you tough, eh David? SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > > to quote you....... do your own google search > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Dave > HOW TO AMELIORATE THE PROBLEM OF HYPOGLYCAEMIA IN > INTENSIVE AS WELL AS NON-INTENSIVE TREATMENT OF [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > tough, eh David? yeah, I never even searched! I expect YOU to provide what you claimed was a solution to the problem. Now that I've read your cite, I agree in THEORY, but not in PRACTICAL terms. I've been trying to avoid hypos without incurring hypers, for over 2 decades. the last decade being spent on a pump. the solution of not getting hypo is just a TAD more difficult to achieve than the author of that article might have considered. :) I'd love to go neither high, nor low. The other issue we have before us is just how much hypo awareness do you think a person on synthetic insulin will have if their blood glucose falls every slow slowly into the hypo range. Let me tell you: it's not happening! But thank you for coming through with a cite. Finally. And like I said at the onset, I can't completely argue with the guy's premise; it's the actuality that I have an issue with. dave > But thank you for coming through with a cite. Finally. Sorry, I didn't see who you were! I thought you were Oz. Dave "TigerLily" < wrote in message ... > HOW TO AMELIORATE THE PROBLEM OF HYPOGLYCAEMIA IN > INTENSIVE AS WELL AS NON-INTENSIVE TREATMENT OF [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > hypoglycaemia. This does not result in a loss of > long-term near normal blood glucose levels. http://www.iddtinternational.org/healthissues/hypoglycaemia.htm > this was the third URL after the search conditions > i gave you > > tough, eh David? news:4OmdneF5JsNG5qjZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > to quote you....... do your own google search > > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Dave Jan......... feel free to post this to David who seems to be clueless it's the third google search item down with the search requirements that i gave him (if i recall treatment hypoglycemic) was all it took poor David........ poor challenged David kate SignatureJoin us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org --- /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ http://www.diabetic-talk.org/freeveggies.htm I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher. > "TigerLily" < wrote in message ... > > HOW TO AMELIORATE THE PROBLEM OF HYPOGLYCAEMIA [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > hypoglycaemia. This does not result in a loss of > > long-term near normal blood glucose levels. http://www.iddtinternational.org/healthissues/hypoglycaemia.htm > > this was the third URL after the search > conditions [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > > "David" <David@invalid.com> wrote in message news:4OmdneF5JsNG5qjZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > > to quote you....... do your own google > search [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > > > Dave Hiya David: If hypo unawareness is a problem you have, you'd be much, much, much better off making a plan to address it with your medical team. I've read of one or two case studies (individials, inkprint only, no web presence on line) where the method used to restore hypo awareness was to change the patient's bg goals to a much higher range for a couple of weeks to a month. I'm being sparing of details because 1) it DIDN'T SOUND FUN and 2) it's really, really the sort of thing that should be done under a doctor's supervision and with the full knowledge of the rest of the medical team so your CDE doesn't freak out about one extra high A1c or a solid week of high preprandials and fbgs. You DO trust your medical team, whom you and your health care payer directly pay for their experise and good results, more than you do someone you like to bait, berate and belittle over the somewhat anonymous medium of the internet, right? Robert Leone rleone@hotmail.com |
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